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The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« on: April 21, 2016, 02:09:44 pm »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-loophole-that-could-cost-donald-trump-the-nomination/ar-BBs27aX?ocid=spartanntp

 The New York Times
By NATE COHN

Pennsylvania, which holds its primary next Tuesday, uses a nonbinding “loophole” primary — and that could cost Donald Trump the Republican nomination.

If the state adopted the delegate rules of any other primary, he would probably be an even-money favorite, or better, to amass the 1,237 delegates needed before the convention.

Instead, his chances may come down to the whims of 54 unpledged Pennsylvania delegates.



No other state leaves so many of its delegates unbound — allowed to vote for whomever they please at the convention. That’s because it conducts its loophole primary in two parts. First is the “beauty contest,” which is a presidential primary preference vote. The winner of the beauty contest gets all of Pennsylvania’s 17 at-large and bonus delegates.

But the remaining 54 — the three delegates awarded to each congressional district — are unbound and elected in the delegate selection primary. In this part, voters directly elect delegates to the national convention. What makes Pennsylvania’s delegate selection primary so distinctive is that the ballot includes no guidance on whom a delegate will support at the national convention. A voter will just see a list of names — some of whom might be recognizable, but others might as well be Joe Schmo.

(It’s called a loophole primary because it could circumvent the delegate allocation rules. Voters could, in theory, elect a slate of delegates who unanimously support one candidate, even in cases where a winner-take-all contest was prohibited.)

The result is that Pennsylvania, with the seventh-most G.O.P. delegates of any state, ranks 49th in pledged delegates. It’s behind even Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia.

The other two states with loophole primaries — West Virginia and Illinois — take a somewhat different approach: The delegates pledge whom they’ll support, and their preferences are listed alongside their names on the ballot.

When you read articles about whether Mr. Trump can reach 1,237 pledged delegates by the convention, these 54 delegates are held out of the analysis.

Mr. Trump would be favored to win a majority of Pennsylvania’s 71 delegates under any other primary system. He leads by at least nine percentage points in every survey in the state, and is ahead of Ted Cruz by an average of 44 percent to 28 percent, according to The Huffington Post Pollster. He’s up by a similar margin of 46 percent to 30 percent in The Upshot’s demographic-based model. Our model gives him an edge in 15 of the state’s 18 congressional districts.

In a standard proportional allocation, Mr. Trump would probably be on track to win at least 40 of the state’s delegates. In a winner-take-most system, like Indiana’s or California’s, Mr. Trump would be favored to win at least 60 delegates.

The difference matters a lot because Mr. Trump’s prize of 1,237 hangs on a thread. He is probably on track to finish a bit short of 1,237. Our model puts his projected delegate deficit as slightly less than the number of delegates left unpledged (54) in Pennsylvania, meaning he would be projected to win if they were bound delegates.

Although facing a challenge in Pennsylvania, Mr. Trump has benefited from other quirks in the Republican primary rules. Compared with the Democrats’ rules, the Republican ones are far more favorable to a candidate who wins with a plurality of the vote. And with the race as close as it is, any number of tweaks in the rules could make Mr. Trump a clear favorite — or an overwhelming underdog.
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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2016, 02:38:21 pm »
There's an awful lot of discussion about math and loopholes and procedures--but precious little about the fallout from this week's earthquake in NY and the coming aftershocks in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. 

The sands are shifting.  The GOP establishment is now mentally preparing itself for the nomination of Donald J. Trump--and his victory in November.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Trump/Pence meeting yesterday--especially since Chris Christie was a part of it. Hearing the Republican Governor to Republican Governor conversation would have been worth the price of admission. 

Also yesterday, Scott Walker said he would support Donald Trump (the one who didn't win Wisconsin) if he is the nominee.  --- Baby steps in the right direction.

Rinse & Repeat's inner circle is reporting (off the record) of a definite "warming" in Rinses's relationship with Trump--that's more sand moving.

All this is to say the momentum is with Trump.  The possibility of victory in November is with Trump.  The #NeverTrump group is running out of roadblocks.

There will  not be a second ballot in Cleveland.

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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2016, 02:46:05 pm »
There's an awful lot of discussion about math and loopholes and procedures--but precious little about the fallout from this week's earthquake in NY and the coming aftershocks in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. 

The sands are shifting.  The GOP establishment is now mentally preparing itself for the nomination of Donald J. Trump--and his victory in November.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Trump/Pence meeting yesterday--especially since Chris Christie was a part of it. Hearing the Republican Governor to Republican Governor conversation would have been worth the price of admission. 

Also yesterday, Scott Walker said he would support Donald Trump (the one who didn't win Wisconsin) if he is the nominee.  --- Baby steps in the right direction.

Rinse & Repeat's inner circle is reporting (off the record) of a definite "warming" in Rinses's relationship with Trump--that's more sand moving.

All this is to say the momentum is with Trump.  The possibility of victory in November is with Trump.  The #NeverTrump group is running out of roadblocks.

There will  not be a second ballot in Cleveland.

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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2016, 02:47:38 pm »
Trump just said he is all for a full-scale INVASION of Syria.  How's them apples, Trumpkins?

He is also back to saying that Cruz is not a U.S. Citizen.

So much for the "presidential" Trump.  He just can't help himself.
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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2016, 02:48:44 pm »
There's an awful lot of discussion about math and loopholes and procedures--but precious little about the fallout from this week's earthquake in NY and the coming aftershocks in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. 

The sands are shifting.  The GOP establishment is now mentally preparing itself for the nomination of Donald J. Trump--and his victory in November.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Trump/Pence meeting yesterday--especially since Chris Christie was a part of it. Hearing the Republican Governor to Republican Governor conversation would have been worth the price of admission. 

Also yesterday, Scott Walker said he would support Donald Trump (the one who didn't win Wisconsin) if he is the nominee.  --- Baby steps in the right direction.

Rinse & Repeat's inner circle is reporting (off the record) of a definite "warming" in Rinses's relationship with Trump--that's more sand moving.

All this is to say the momentum is with Trump.  The possibility of victory in November is with Trump.  The #NeverTrump group is running out of roadblocks.

There will  not be a second ballot in Cleveland.


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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2016, 02:50:28 pm »
There's an awful lot of discussion about math and loopholes and procedures--but precious little about the fallout from this week's earthquake in NY and the coming aftershocks in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. 

The sands are shifting.  The GOP establishment is now mentally preparing itself for the nomination of Donald J. Trump--and his victory in November.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Trump/Pence meeting yesterday--especially since Chris Christie was a part of it. Hearing the Republican Governor to Republican Governor conversation would have been worth the price of admission. 

Also yesterday, Scott Walker said he would support Donald Trump (the one who didn't win Wisconsin) if he is the nominee.  --- Baby steps in the right direction.

Rinse & Repeat's inner circle is reporting (off the record) of a definite "warming" in Rinses's relationship with Trump--that's more sand moving.

All this is to say the momentum is with Trump.  The possibility of victory in November is with Trump.  The #NeverTrump group is running out of roadblocks.

There will  not be a second ballot in Cleveland.

YOU are truly delusional!  But we knew that already didn't we!
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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2016, 02:54:15 pm »
Trump just said he is all for a full-scale INVASION of Syria.  How's them apples, Trumpkins?

He is also back to saying that Cruz is not a U.S. Citizen.

So much for the "presidential" Trump.  He just can't help himself.


What's this got to do with what we're discussing on this thread?   What is it that compels you to divert attention from the topic of Trump winning the nomination before the convention??

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2016, 02:55:59 pm »
YOU are truly delusional!  But we knew that already didn't we!

It's not nice to use a personal attack as a diversion from a topic--just because you don't want to talk about it.

I'm disappointed in you, Bigun    :nono:

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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2016, 02:56:12 pm »

What's this got to do with what we're discussing on this thread?   What is it that compels you to divert attention from the topic of Trump winning the nomination before the convention??

Just wondering if there's anything Trump can say or support that will give you the tiniest twinge of doubt about the SOB.

Apparently not. 

Trump will NOT win the nomination before the Convention. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2016, 02:57:43 pm »
It's not nice to use a personal attack as a diversion from a topic--just because you don't want to talk about it.

I'm disappointed in you, Bigun    :nono:

Not nearly as disappointed as I am in you!

And that is NOT a personal attack!  It is an honest assessment!
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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2016, 03:00:25 pm »
Trump: Transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203016.msg843844/topicseen.html#msg843844


Trumps supporters must be BURSTING with pride right about now!
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2016, 03:03:08 pm »
Trump now open to raising taxes on ANYONE



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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 03:15:56 pm »
Not nearly as disappointed as I am in you!

And that is NOT a personal attack!  It is an honest assessment!

No, it's a personal attack.  At least be man enough to admit it.

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2016, 03:23:12 pm »
No, it's a personal attack.  At least be man enough to admit it.

If it WERE a personal attack YOU would know it and I would admit it! 

You need to go back to your safe space where you don't have to engage honest people!
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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2016, 03:26:55 pm »

What's this got to do with what we're discussing on this thread?   What is it that compels you to divert attention from the topic of Trump winning the nomination before the convention??

Probably paid by the post??
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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2016, 03:37:03 pm »


....I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Trump/Pence meeting yesterday--especially since Chris Christie was a part of it.....

Wow, talk about GOPEstablishment! 

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Donald Trump Trashes Reagan Tax cuts before Congress


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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2016, 07:06:37 pm »
Trump: Transgender people can use whatever bathroom they want

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,203016.msg843844/topicseen.html#msg843844


Trumps supporters must be BURSTING with pride right about now!

They're defending him on any side of any argument even when that position is historically a Liberal position. I'm sure you have noticed this. My candidate in the race right now, Ted Cruz, I'll be glad to stand up and say where I disagree with him. Not so with the Trumpkins.
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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2016, 07:07:22 pm »
There's an awful lot of discussion about math and loopholes and procedures--but precious little about the fallout from this week's earthquake in NY and the coming aftershocks in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. 

The sands are shifting.  The GOP establishment is now mentally preparing itself for the nomination of Donald J. Trump--and his victory in November.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Trump/Pence meeting yesterday--especially since Chris Christie was a part of it. Hearing the Republican Governor to Republican Governor conversation would have been worth the price of admission. 

Also yesterday, Scott Walker said he would support Donald Trump (the one who didn't win Wisconsin) if he is the nominee.  --- Baby steps in the right direction.

Rinse & Repeat's inner circle is reporting (off the record) of a definite "warming" in Rinses's relationship with Trump--that's more sand moving.

All this is to say the momentum is with Trump.  The possibility of victory in November is with Trump.  The #NeverTrump group is running out of roadblocks.

There will  not be a second ballot in Cleveland.

New York was a definite momentum builder for Trump. The anti-Trumps are desperate with their seeking of loopholes. This is going to be over shortly.

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2016, 07:08:35 pm »
Trump now open to raising taxes on ANYONE



http://www.today.com/video/trump-on-today-town-hall-abortion-exceptions-immigration-raising-taxes-more-670689347771


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Re: The Loophole That Could Cost Donald Trump the Nomination
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2016, 08:37:53 pm »
Trump just said he is all for a full-scale INVASION of Syria.  How's them apples, Trumpkins?


Link to article on Syria? 


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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2016, 09:23:22 pm »
If it WERE a personal attack YOU would know it and I would admit it! 

You need to go back to your safe space where you don't have to engage honest people!

I want you to stop throwing insulting adjectives at me.  Period. 

That's all.

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2016, 10:26:54 pm »
I want you to stop throwing insulting adjectives at me.  Period. 

That's all.
The only three adjectives in that post were "safe," "personal" and "honest," none of which were directed at you.
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2016, 10:30:14 pm »
There's an awful lot of discussion about math and loopholes and procedures--but precious little about the fallout from this week's earthquake in NY and the coming aftershocks in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. 

The sands are shifting.  The GOP establishment is now mentally preparing itself for the nomination of Donald J. Trump--and his victory in November.

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during the Trump/Pence meeting yesterday--especially since Chris Christie was a part of it. Hearing the Republican Governor to Republican Governor conversation would have been worth the price of admission. 

Also yesterday, Scott Walker said he would support Donald Trump (the one who didn't win Wisconsin) if he is the nominee.  --- Baby steps in the right direction.

Rinse & Repeat's inner circle is reporting (off the record) of a definite "warming" in Rinses's relationship with Trump--that's more sand moving.

All this is to say the momentum is with Trump.  The possibility of victory in November is with Trump.  The #NeverTrump group is running out of roadblocks.

There will  not be a second ballot in Cleveland.
So, in other words, you have no qualms with party back-room dealings forcing a guy who is still opposed by the majority of the party onto that party's ballot by rigging the first ballot in his favor.

As long as it's "your guy," and that goes for how dangerous he is to the nation.

Is it any wonder why the Republican Party is losing members, and voters, left and right? It's not just the demographic war. It's corruption, ignorance and incompetence.
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