Kasich rebukes Trump and Cruz as "Not worthy of the office"

[MACVSOG68]

Please explain to me the difference between 'citizenship and normalization' and how either is different from amnesty.    Secondly, with Kasich's liberal voting record and also his record of pandering to the leftists, please explain how you view Kasich as a conservative.

Perhaps the most important question, I have for you is exactly what part of ILLEGALLY entering into this country is excusable and why? They broke our laws.  Why should they be rewarded?

I am quite confused on your comment about granting amnesty placing the health of the economy on the forefront.  Do you even remotely realize the negative impact that illegals have had on our economy??  I spent several years on and off researching the impact of illegal immigration on this country.  I definitely do not proclaim to be an expert in the area, but all indicators seem to point to a tremendous economic burden on our economy.  If we just take a very simplified example ... Juan illegal comes into this country and has never paid into the 'system' ... he however collects benefits such as FREE medical and food stamps ... multiple this time 12,000,000(illegals) and you have an overburdened welfare system that is unsustainable by those currently working and paying taxes ... consider also that we now conservatively  have over 92,000,000 million LEGAL Americans out of work ... how in any logical stretch of the imagination is granting amnesty healthy for our economy??

Question for you.  If you could craft an immigration reform bill that you thought could get through both houses, what would it contain?

[AnybodyButaDem]

Question for you.  If you could craft an immigration reform bill that you thought could get through both houses, what would it contain?

Answering the question although not directed at me, I'd start with shutting down the border, deporting all illegals with a criminal record in the US, and granting semi-permanent and taxable guest-worker status for those working here as they apply for real citizenship and real voting rights like every other immigrant. They would also pay into Social Security and received their share at a prorated share from the moment they start paying into it.  Any able-bodied illegals on public assistance would also be deported within a year to get their affairs in order here.

I'm sure there are holes in it, but it seems like a start to a compromised solution.  Kasich wants to grant flat amnesty within his first 100 days in office.  How is that compromise?

[Bill Cipher]

Question for you.  If you could craft an immigration reform bill that you thought could get through both houses, what would it contain?

Possibly a lot of what Rubios bill contained. 

[MACVSOG68]

Answering the question although not directed at me, I'd start with shutting down the border, deporting all illegals with a criminal record in the US, and granting semi-permanent and taxable guest-worker status for those working here as they apply for real citizenship and real voting rights like every other immigrant. They would also pay into Social Security and received their share at a prorated share from the moment they start paying into it.  Any able-bodied illegals on public assistance would also be deported within a year to get their affairs in order here.

I'm sure there are holes in it, but it seems like a start to a compromised solution.  Kasich wants to grant flat amnesty within his first 100 days in office.  How is that compromise?

You would have liked the 2013 Senate bill then as well as the two offered by Reid in 2007.  Republicans would say no.

[MACVSOG68]

Possibly a lot of what Rubios bill contained.

That's right, yet House Republicans wouldn't even consider it.

[AnybodyButaDem]

You would have liked the 2013 Senate bill then as well as the two offered by Reid in 2007.  Republicans would say no.

They would have to wait for citizenship just as any legal immigrant.  The 2013 bill contained nothing about booting out illegals with a criminal record or illegals living off of taxpayers like me.  Reid's bill is nothing close to what I proposed.

[Bill Cipher]

That's right, yet House Republicans wouldn't even consider it.

I know.  And Rubio has been reviled for it as well.  From what I read, it was not an unreasonable compromise, although even the democrats admitted that he left a little too much on the table.  It's one of the reasons why I like Rubio.

[Frank Cannon]

Heaven forbid, an authentic Christian running for President.

Well you have that. John is apparently the Original Christian. I'll be sure to send him a birthday card on Christmas.

Actually,  I have no serious objection to Kasich's position on immigration.   I want the matter solved by means of rational and coherent policy,  that places the health of the economy at the forefront,  and addresses both the demand and supply sides of the problem.    And I have absolutely no objection,  as part of a good deal,  to offering "amnesty" (normalization)  to those hard working illegals that have kept their noses clean, and been a credit to their communities.   Not citizenship, as Kasich says, normalization. 

In the real world, good policy is crafted by motivated policymakers who can assemble the necessary majorities.  I'd love to see John Kasich and a reformaCon Congress take a solid whack at it.   

You should probably dig down and actually read what John has said on the subject. EVERYONE STAYS regardless of whether they have a job or not. It isn't a problem for him because he is also is on record for spending insane amounts of money to support all the Americans who are jobless because a bunch of filthy wetbacks are working for a fraction of the going wage.

Jesus Christ loves him some Mexicans and some Govt' largess. (No wonder he is doing so spectacularly in the GOP Primary. Spectacularly terrible.)

[MACVSOG68]

They would have to wait for citizenship just as any legal immigrant.  The 2013 bill contained nothing about booting out illegals with a criminal record or illegals living off of taxpayers like me.  Reid's bill is nothing close to what I proposed.

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You might want to relook at the 2013 bill...and the two bills Reid brought to the floor that year were far tougher.  If Republicans can ever muster a majority in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, they'll never see anything as good as those two 2007 bills they blew off on no-votes to end debate.

[libertybele]

Question for you.  If you could craft an immigration reform bill that you thought could get through both houses, what would it contain?

First of all, conveniently both the DEMS and GOPe seem to forget that BOTH houses of Congress passed the Secure Fence Act of 2006; that issue needs to be addressed and the fence needs to be fully funded and completed.  In addition, increased border patrol agents (job creation) and air surveillance.  After the wall is erected a moratorium on any further immigration into this country needs to be implemented including H-1B visas until we have a legitimate functioning immigration system.  Also during that time a better tracking systems of who enters this country should be set up (job creation).  Most importantly, after the wall is erected the U.S. should declare that we now have zero tolerance for illegal immigration and at some point in the future we will once again welcome legal immigration (new parameters set and quota system limiting immigration into this country from various countries).

During the moratorium the practice of catch and release must end and sanctuary cities must be shut down. Deportation should begin by emptying out our prison systems of illegals and returning criminals to their place of origin.

Next step would encourage self-deportation; e-verify where employers would face prison time and lose their business if hiring illegals, cutting off benefits and ending birth-right citizenship. Those that willfully leave this country will have a chance for re-entry legally.  Those that are caught after a "self-deportation" period, will be deported with absolutely NO chance of re-entry.  In order for this process to work the burden of deportation (job creation) would be carried out at the state and local level with the financial support of the federal government.  Allocation of monies would be based on estimated illegal populations.

This process is not going to happen overnight but we must be vigilant in our efforts and a dramatic increase in border patrol agents and local law enforcement personnel is crucial in implementing new immigration policies and procedures.

[MACVSOG68]

First of all, conveniently both the DEMS and GOPe seem to forget that BOTH houses of Congress passed the Secure Fence Act of 2006; that issue needs to be addressed and the fence needs to be fully funded and completed.  In addition, increased border patrol agents (job creation) and air surveillance.  After the wall is erected a moratorium on any further immigration into this country needs to be implemented including H-1B visas until we have a legitimate functioning immigration system.  Also during that time a better tracking systems of who enters this country should be set up (job creation).  Most importantly, after the wall is erected the U.S. should declare that we now have zero tolerance for illegal immigration and at some point in the future we will once again welcome legal immigration (new parameters set and quota system limiting immigration into this country from various countries).

During the moratorium the practice of catch and release must end and sanctuary cities must be shut down. Deportation should begin by emptying out our prison systems of illegals and returning criminals to their place of origin.

Next step would encourage self-deportation; e-verify where employers would face prison time and lose their business if hiring illegals, cutting off benefits and ending birth-right citizenship. Those that willfully leave this country will have a chance for re-entry legally.  Those that are caught after a "self-deportation" period, will be deported with absolutely NO chance of re-entry.  In order for this process to work the burden of deportation (job creation) would be carried out at the state and local level with the financial support of the federal government.  Allocation of monies would be based on estimated illegal populations.

This process is not going to happen overnight but we must be vigilant in our efforts and a dramatic increase in border patrol agents and local law enforcement personnel is crucial in implementing new immigration policies and procedures.

And you think that would get past both houses of Congress?  That was my question.  What would you offer the Democrats to get these security issues included? Actually a lot of that and much more was in the 2007 legislation. 

[Jazzhead]

Please explain to me the difference between 'citizenship and normalization' and how either is different from amnesty.    Secondly, with Kasich's liberal voting record and also his record of pandering to the leftists, please explain how you view Kasich as a conservative.

Perhaps the most important question, I have for you is exactly what part of ILLEGALLY entering into this country is excusable and why? They broke our laws.  Why should they be rewarded?

I am quite confused on your comment about granting amnesty placing the health of the economy on the forefront.  Do you even remotely realize the negative impact that illegals have had on our economy??  I spent several years on and off researching the impact of illegal immigration on this country.  I definitely do not proclaim to be an expert in the area, but all indicators seem to point to a tremendous economic burden on our economy.  If we just take a very simplified example ... Juan illegal comes into this country and has never paid into the 'system' ... he however collects benefits such as FREE medical and food stamps ... multiple this time 12,000,000(illegals) and you have an overburdened welfare system that is unsustainable by those currently working and paying taxes ... consider also that we now conservatively  have over 92,000,000 million LEGAL Americans out of work ... how in any logical stretch of the imagination is granting amnesty healthy for our economy??

Hi LB,

      By "normalization" I'm referring to the normalization of their status -  to allow those illegals who have come here to work and who have kept their noses clean to remain and be able to work lawfully,  paying the same taxes and subject to the same rules as other employees.   I wouldn't give illegals any special leg up on citizenship; that's a status that needs to earned separate and apart from any past history here. 

      I understand that these folks came here illegally.   But they didn't come here to plunder or be a burden - they came here to work.  And they came here to work because employers are ready and willing to hire them.   The problem needs to be addressed comprehensively, from both the demand and supply sides.  And that sort of permanent solution can only be accomplished by means of political compromise.   You may not want to throw these folks a bone because you won't see past their "illegality",  but I have no problem with normalizing their status if that's what it takes to achieve the political consensus for a good deal, a good and comprehensive reform that works to get employers the lawful labor they need. 

     You and I, respectfully, differ on the immigration issue.  Some want to drastically curtail immigration, legal or otherwise.  I don't - a rational immigration policy helps to promote and sustain economic growth.   It's not immigrants' fault that so many native-born Americans seem to lack the drive to work and work hard.   Employers require reliable, affordable labor in order to stay in business.  And while that requires in part reforms that make it easier for employers to hire Americans,  it also may require us to permit immigrants, on either a permanent or temporary basis,  to come here to do jobs Americans won't,  and - if warranted - to go home once the work is done.   

       

[Bill Cipher]

Hi LB,

      By "normalization" I'm referring to the normalization of their status -  to allow those illegals who have come here to work and who have kept their noses clean to remain and be able to work lawfully,  paying the same taxes and subject to the same rules as other employees.   I wouldn't give illegals any special leg up on citizenship; that's a status that needs to earned separate and apart from any past history here. 

      I understand that these folks came here illegally.   But they didn't come here to plunder or be a burden - they came here to work.  And they came here to work because employers are ready and willing to hire them.   The problem needs to be addressed comprehensively, from both the demand and supply sides.  And that sort of permanent solution can only be accomplished by means of political compromise.   You may not want to throw these folks a bone because you won't see past their "illegality",  but I have no problem with normalizing their status if that's what it takes to achieve the political consensus for a good deal, a good and comprehensive reform that works to get employers the lawful labor they need. 

     You and I, respectfully, differ on the immigration issue.  Some want to drastically curtail immigration, legal or otherwise.  I don't - a rational immigration policy helps to promote and sustain economic growth.   It's not immigrants' fault that so many native-born Americans seem to lack the drive to work and work hard.   Employers require reliable, affordable labor in order to stay in business.  And while that requires in part reforms that make it easier for employers to hire Americans,  it also may require us to permit immigrants, on either a permanent or temporary basis,  to come here to do jobs Americans won't,  and - if warranted - to go home once the work is done.