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GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« on: February 24, 2016, 03:37:47 pm »
GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”

Since Jeb Bush dropped his candidacy for President, the old guard GOP has been scrambling to change direction. They had banked heavily (to the tune of $130 million dollars) on Jeb carrying the establishment torch. If the GOP is good at anything, they are good at numbers and at providing sacks full of money. This time however, they miscalculated the former and spent too much of the latter.

Now, based on recent news reports, the establishment has switched to Marco Rubio. He is their establishment poster child and while they would have preferred a seasoned Jeb Bush, they will go with the candidate most malleable to their plans.

In all of this, as much as they may shake their head and waggle their fingers, they are not concerned as much as they would lead you to believe about Donald Trump. I said before, the numbers crunched and they have seen his cap. He cannot defeat Hillary Clinton and even if he does, he will deal. He has said “he can be anyone he needs to be at the time”. So they will back the GOP nominee but unfortunately, in their minds, it should be anyone but Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz works in Washington DC but he is not an establishment insider. He is not the GOP’s poster boy and the fear of him winning is tangible by both the Democrats and the old guard republicans. Ted Cruz scares the heck out of them because he is steadfast to conservative values that represent us but the old guard surrenders every day.

Ted Cruz stands for the constitution and upholding the laws with no exceptions. The old guard finds exceptions to everything and if a deal is to be made, they want a guy who will deal. They want someone who will tell you it is “good for the people” as they roll the constitution into a ball and toss it in the trash. They have that with Marco Rubio but they could never get that from Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz wants to eradicate a number of agencies that stifle American growth and are part of the big government machine. He wants to cut taxes, deregulate and unchain the American public’s growth machine. The problem is, that diminishes the big government machine. It hampers their ability to control the public and dominate. Both Donald Trump and Marco Rubio want to increase government control and continue the path of “we know what’s good for you” policies.

Ted Cruz is committed, driven, open and one of the most brilliant legal minds in our century. He is not afraid to take a stand and if that stand causes him to lose political points but upholds the will of the people; you can bet he will stand and never give a damn what the DC insiders think.  If you are a GOP insider and dealmaker, this scares you to death.

Make no mistake, the GOP is not the only one that fears Ted Cruz. Donald Trump and Marco Rubio have tag teamed to smear Ted Cruz as their biggest rival. Other than a few insults from Trump to Jeb Bush, whom else have they attacked? Who do they see as a threat? The threat is Ted Cruz and they do not debate the issues with him. They do not call his policies radical. In fact, over the course of the campaign, they have copied many. Instead, they scream “liar” loud and often and hope it sticks.

My article would be too long to go into the false accusations against Ted Cruz but one thing is abundantly clear. The GOP does not fear Donald Trump because win or lose, he can be dealt with since he is the “master of deals”. They do not fear Marco Rubio because he has proven he is a party player and will cut a deal faster than light travels. They fear Ted Cruz because first and foremost, the only deal Ted Cruz has is with the American people and to do what he says he will do. If that makes him unpopular with the party, that’s fine. We the people are not so found of the party and if they are afraid of him, he is our man.
 
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2016, 03:46:00 pm »
They do not have to WORRY to much because it is not going to be CRUZ. Their child prince RUBIO is not going to make it either. In other words the RINOGOPe Progressive Establishment of both parties otherwise known as the UNIPARTY are go the way of the WHIG party in about 10 months. Bet on it! :patriot:

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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2016, 03:50:11 pm »
They do not have to WORRY to much because it is not going to be CRUZ. Their child prince RUBIO is not going to make it either. In other words the RINOGOPe Progressive Establishment of both parties otherwise known as the UNIPARTY are go the way of the WHIG party in about 10 months. Bet on it! :patriot:

Maybe! But Donald Trump is every bit as big a threat to this republic as Hillary Clintoon!
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 03:50:48 pm »
They do not have to WORRY to much because it is not going to be CRUZ. Their child prince RUBIO is not going to make it either. In other words the RINOGOPe Progressive Establishment of both parties otherwise known as the UNIPARTY are go the way of the WHIG party in about 10 months. Bet on it! :patriot:

That's a sucker bet.   Trump's nomination will solidify the Progressive Establishment under the banner of the Democrats.   Be honest - that's what you want, Longiron.   
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 04:00:54 pm »
Trump is basically a rehash of old Dick Nixon politics. Old is new again. The old guard can live with that.
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 04:01:24 pm »
That's a sucker bet.   Trump's nomination will solidify the Progressive Establishment under the banner of the Democrats.   Be honest - that's what you want, Longiron.

The HATERS and RINOS on here will love this:
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-has-won-more-votes-than-romney-had-at-this-point-in-2012/article/2001230

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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 04:14:57 pm »
Trump is basically a rehash of old Dick Nixon politics. Old is new again. The old guard can live with that.
No. Trump is a rehash of Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I and Bush II, to a significant degree. All won the Presidency.

Cruz is a rehash of Goldwater, even though his supporters will never admit it. They are severely math challenged, so badly they think 40% is a majority.
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2016, 04:18:32 pm »

Cruz is a rehash of Goldwater, even though his supporters will never admit it.

WRONG! In fact I consider that a HUGE endorsement!

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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2016, 04:19:16 pm »
No. Trump is a rehash of Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Bush I and Bush II, to a significant degree. All won the Presidency.

Cruz is a rehash of Goldwater, even though his supporters will never admit it. They are severely math challenged, so badly they think 40% is a majority.

Well Ford didn't win, but except for Bush II none were that good of times for America.

I do find it funny about the 40% comment, considering that Trump is polling the least likely of the three viable candidates to win against Hillary in the general.
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 04:20:17 pm »
Trump is basically a rehash of old Dick Nixon politics. Old is new again. The old guard can live with that.

If he secures the border, helps the middle class, and appoints Conservative judges I am more than fine with that.

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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 04:25:37 pm »
If he secures the border, helps the middle class, and appoints Conservative judges I am more than fine with that.

As long as there is truth in labeling. Trump is a Nixonian populist. The Old Establishment coming back to replace the New Establishment, which as far as I can understand, is the heir to the Old Establishment. Old wine into new skins.
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 04:36:50 pm »
Well Ford didn't win, but except for Bush II none were that good of times for America.

I do find it funny about the 40% comment, considering that Trump is polling the least likely of the three viable candidates to win against Hillary in the general.
Well I too have seen the matchups, that you mention. Here is my take: From the start Trump alone has exceeded expectations. He convinces, converts, persuades people. He is dynamic, not static.

I think he gets up more early in the morning, and gets more done during the day. He has business attributes, not government hack attributes.

Those include Faster, Smarter, More Hardworking, More Agile, to name a few.

He figured out how to WIN, then DID IT.

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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2016, 04:38:49 pm »
If he secures the border, helps the middle class, and appoints Conservative judges I am more than fine with that.
There we go. You express a pragmatic, realistic ordered mind.

Unlike all-or-nothing folks.
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2016, 04:39:47 pm »
There we go. You express a pragmatic, realistic ordered mind.

Unlike all-or-nothing folks.

Will he bring back priced controls too?
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2016, 04:40:39 pm »
Well I too have seen the matchups, that you mention. Here is my take: From the start Trump alone has exceeded expectations. He convinces, converts, persuades people. He is dynamic, not static.

I think he gets up more early in the morning, and gets more done during the day. He has business attributes, not government hack attributes.

Those include Faster, Smarter, More Hardworking, More Agile, to name a few.

He figured out how to WIN, then DID IT.

In the words of Nike, "Just Do It."  In the words of Al Davis, "Win, Baby Win."

Nixon won too. Won big. Governed, not so well. Very populist though.
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2016, 10:23:09 pm »
Nixon won too. Won big. Governed, not so well. Very populist though.

He gave us the EPA, too.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2016, 05:24:26 am »
Will he bring back priced controls too?
I doubt it. That was a political and pragmatic thing for Nixon to do at the time.

Did you know that Dr. Milton Friedman served in the fedgov during the FDR admin. working on the wage/price control boards, and later became a guiding light for the Reagan era.

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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2016, 05:27:17 am »
He gave us the EPA, too.
Yeah I wish we could go back to the days of smog so thick it made your eyes water, and they cancelled PE.

The polluted rivers were a gas, too.
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2016, 09:42:58 am »
Yeah I wish we could go back to the days of smog so thick it made your eyes water, and they cancelled PE.

The polluted rivers were a gas, too.

And then like the unions, they outlived their usefulness. Now they just make up things to regulate, like CO2.
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2016, 01:32:31 pm »
Some thoughts about Cruz and Trump:

Cruz was the original insurrectionist, outsider, anti-establishment candidate.  He worked to shut down the government over the Affordable Care Act in '13 knowing full well he'd be running for President in '16.   He's had the support of a lot of institutional groups opposed to the "GOPe",  and he and those groups have worked hard to paint him as the true anti-Establishment conservative.

Except that Cruz' thunder has been stolen by Trump, who echos Cruz's outsider message but makes it simpler, cruder, and grounded not in principle but race-baiting.   The angry volk have flocked to the message like flies to a stinking pile.

What does this all mean?   It probably means the GOP "establishment" will survive.  Cruz aimed to supplant that establishment with a new coterie of his own.   But Trump leads no such movement - his is a cult of personality.   When Trump is defeated,  Trumpism will die with him, and left standing will be - the GOP establishment.  Diminished, out of power to be sure,  but so will conservatives in general.  Trump's nomination and the hard opposition it will inspire will cost conservatives both the White House and the Senate this fall (and with them, the SCOTUS will be lost forever (well, for my lifetime, which is forever as far as I'm concerned.))

Trump has cost conservatives the breakthrough opportunity represented by Ted Cruz.  Trump's nomination and inevitable defeat will leave the GOP diminished, but with the slate wiped clean to determine just what constitutes a right-of-center coalition in the new era of liberal hegemony.   It'll be a disaster for us all, but we'll need to start looking at it as an opportunity as well.   And there may be no greater beneficiary of that opportunity than a still-young Ted Cruz (or Mario Rubio),  able to present their visions in 2020 with the life-lesson of Trump's destruction drilled into the heart of every fool that took leave of his or her senses this election season. 
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Re: GOP Old Guard Screaming “Anyone but Cruz!”
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2016, 02:57:24 pm »

Trump has cost conservatives the breakthrough opportunity represented by Ted Cruz. 

Contributing factors for  Cruz' failure, all accrue to Cruz himself and alone.

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« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2016, 02:59:52 pm »
Contributing factors for  Cruz' failure, all accrue to Cruz himself and alone.

We have and old saying down here in Texas that goes something like this: " You shouldn't count your chickens until the eggs hatch!"

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« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2016, 05:21:29 pm »
Contributing factors for  Cruz' failure, all accrue to Cruz himself and alone.

Which doesn't explain why he won Iowa.
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