Sanders Advocates Path to Citizenship, Using Executive Orders 'If Congress Doesn't Do the Right Thing

[flowers]

But if he's only deporting the criminal and gang elements (which I support), what will he do with the remaining x million?
 

stop giving them taxpayer funded freebies, most will self deport.

[MACVSOG68]

Beyond all the discussion regarding this election, the increasing acceptance of "strongman" leadership in America is not really surprising.  It is a hallmark of nations that are deeply, irreparably, divided culturally, politically and socially.  The complete lack of cultural and social cohesion makes our form of government untenable over time...makes it nearly impossible to remain a nation short of an extremely powerful central government that can impose its will on one or more of the divided factions.  A type of dictatorship.  America has now experienced growing fundamental divisions for at least more than two decades.  For the nation to avoid spinning apart entirely, the future may be one of one "strongman" after another holding it artificially together by instituting a policy direction in a manner like what you see Bernie and Hillary discussing here.

Without disagreeing with your premise (and I would add economic), do you see anyone as one of those strongmen?  It probably wouldn't be Obama, as he has certainly helped to exacerbate those divisions rather than holding it all together artificially or otherwise.  I do believe we need a strong leader rather than a manager at this time.  But not a dictatorship.

[EdinVA]

stop giving them taxpayer funded freebies, most will self deport.

Not gonna happen.... the liberals will never cut off the freebies...

[MACVSOG68]

stop giving them taxpayer funded freebies, most will self deport.

The Rubio-Schumer bill actually did that, as well as the two bills in 2007.  Republicans weren't interested.

[HAPPY2BME]

Democrats, Sanders, Hillary, AND the GOPe keep pushing amnesty. Yet, in the face of Obama's illegal EO's, majorities of voters are now pulling back on amnesty. That puts candidates strongest on border control, like Donald Trump, squarely in position to win the GOP nomination AND the general election.

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If elected, Marco Rubio would do the 'right thing' also, and EO amnesty.

[MACVSOG68]

So what?  If we simply turn off the magnets and enforce current law the problem goes away all by itself over time.

That's what the 2007 and 2013 legislation was intended to do.  No more welfare for those who would be legalized.  Wouldn't that be a good thing?

[Bigun]

The Rubio-Schumer bill actually did that, as well as the two bills in 2007.  Republicans weren't interested.

You mean the big money donors weren't interested! And they still aren't!

[Scottftlc]

Without disagreeing with your premise (and I would add economic), do you see anyone as one of those strongmen?  It probably wouldn't be Obama, as he has certainly helped to exacerbate those divisions rather than holding it all together artificially or otherwise.  I do believe we need a strong leader rather than a manager at this time.  But not a dictatorship.

(Yes, economic divisions are critical here, perhaps more directly fundamental than cultural in America).  Do I see anyone?  In truth, no...but then rarely are such people known in advance.  My hope...my gamble really as I believe we are at a place of no return where a gamble is justified...is that someone from outside the political system, outside the ruling elite, could create the environment, economically, that would help us find a new social contract.  I don't think that those from within the current political structure will demonstrate the freedom of thought necessary to find a new way.

[MACVSOG68]

You mean the big money donors weren't interested! And they still aren't!

Could be, but it was the right wing of the GOP that has thwarted such actions.  Twice now, House Republicans refused to debate a bill, once when the House and Senate both under Republican leadership had bills and refused to put together a conference committee, and more recently after the Senate bill passed, Boehner refused to bring it or anything involving those issues up for vote.  And of course in 2007, both of the compromise bills put on the floor by Reid failed cloture votes by a small group of Republicans.

[DCPatriot]

But if he's only deporting the criminal and gang elements (which I support), what will he do with the remaining x million?
 

Hopefully those that are gainfully employed, can stay and get legal work permits.  Get them on the tax rolls.

Those that aren't need to contact their community churches and charities because hopefully all government bennies will dry up.  No unemployment benefits and no welfare (although, again, that's a state and county responsibility)

IOW...damned if know, MAC!   

[MACVSOG68]

(Yes, economic divisions are critical here, perhaps more directly fundamental than cultural in America).  Do I see anyone?  In truth, no...but then rarely are such people known in advance.  My hope...my gamble really as I believe we are at a place of no return where a gamble is justified...is that someone from outside the political system, outside the ruling elite, could create the environment, economically, that would help us find a new social contract.  I don't think that those from within the current political structure will demonstrate the freedom of thought necessary to find a new way.

It may take that, but it's so much easier in a banana republic where someone who may have been a nobody can grab the military and take over.  Much harder through the electoral process.

[EdinVA]

Hopefully those that are gainfully employed, can stay and get legal work permits.  Get them on the tax rolls.

Those that aren't need to contact their community churches and charities because hopefully all government bennies will dry up.  No unemployment benefits and no welfare (although, again, that's a state and county responsibility)

IOW...damned if know, MAC!   

Most of the illegals are paying taxes.
The IRS is issuing psudo SSN's and tracking their payments, otherwise they would be guilty of tax evasion which has a stiffer penalty than crossing the border illegally.
That is part of the problem, our government is aiding the illegals by breaking the law themselves.  The IRS has no authority to issue ssn's.

[MACVSOG68]

Hopefully those that are gainfully employed, can stay and get legal work permits.  Get them on the tax rolls.

Those that aren't need to contact their community churches and charities because hopefully all government bennies will dry up.  No unemployment benefits and no welfare (although, again, that's a state and county responsibility)

IOW...damned if know, MAC!   

And therein lies the stone in one's path.  The left wants to legalize them; the right wants to send them home and prevent more.  So far attempts at reconciliation have failed.  And in the primaries each side is addressing only that part of the problem of interest to their primary voters.  Hillary and Bernie are talking about bringing the illegals into the fold; Republicans are talking about getting tougher, building walls, cutting off bennies, deporting.  In fact look at the beating Rubio has taken for his efforts at bringing both sides together.  He likely won't survive it. 

[truth_seeker]

Most of the illegals are paying taxes.
The IRS is issuing psudo SSN's and tracking their payments, otherwise they would be guilty of tax evasion which has a stiffer penalty than crossing the border illegally.
That is part of the problem, our government is aiding the illegals by breaking the law themselves.  The IRS has no authority to issue ssn's.

The IRS IS issuing Taxpayer Identification Numbers, NOT SSNs.

[Sanguine]

NO! they want the damned magnets turned off! Every damned one of them! And then there will be no need to deport anyone because they will all go home on their own!

Bigun, I don't know why that's so hard to understand, bit apparently it is.

[Sanguine]

Most of the illegals are paying taxes.
The IRS is issuing psudo SSN's and tracking their payments, otherwise they would be guilty of tax evasion which has a stiffer penalty than crossing the border illegally.
That is part of the problem, our government is aiding the illegals by breaking the law themselves.  The IRS has no authority to issue ssn's.

So what?  They pay much less than they take!

And that's not even bringing lack of education, lack of assimilation, criminal element, etc into account.

[EdinVA]

So what?  They pay much less than they take!

And that's not even bringing lack of education, lack of assimilation, criminal element, etc into account.

I agree with you.... I was just pointing out what the IRS was doing..... calm down... :)

[Bigun]

Bigun, I don't know why that's so hard to understand, bit apparently it is.

As easily explained as explaining why so many are in love with this guy!

[Sanguine]

I agree with you.... I was just pointing out what the IRS was doing..... calm down... :)

Another good reason to get rid of the IRS! 

[EdinVA]

Another good reason to get rid of the IRS!