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Daily Beast: Obama, Hillary Toying With ‘Civil War’ Over Gun Confiscation
 

by AWR Hawkins2 Nov 20150
On November 2, The Daily Beast pointed to recent statements from President Obama and Hillary Clinton regarding the implementation of Australian-style gun confiscation and suggested “civil war could erupt on American soil” if any administration actually tried to confiscate privately owned firearms.

The Daily Beast theoretically agreed that “confiscation on a massive scale” may be “the only way to solve American gun violence,” but they pointed out that it was not realistic and suggested Hillary risks causing irreparable divisions by talking about confiscation then mocking gun owners as conspiracy theorists waiting for “black helicopters” to come take their guns away.

According to The Daily Beast, confiscation was workable in Australia because there was no Second Amendment and the government only had to take 650,000 guns. That is a far cry from the “350 million” believed to be in Americans’ hands.

Yes, “350 million.”

But even more important than the number of guns is the depth of American “devotion” to them. And The Daily Beast observes that it is this devotion–this dedication to the philosophy and tradition underlying the right to keep and bear arms–that turns the mere mention of confiscation into something that could literally rip the country apart.

The Daily Beast put it thus, “The prospect of confiscation—as much as it might, theoretically, reduce drastically or even eliminate gun crime altogether—is simply impossible in the United States.” They pointed to statements by Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson, who stressed that Jews could have curtailed the Holocaust had they retained their guns. The Daily Beast suggests Carson hit on something “Second Amendment enthusiasts are fond of arguing,” namely, “that gun rights are enshrined in the Constitution not only for the sake of hunters or people who want to protect their homes and businesses from criminals, but also to allow the population to resist an overreaching government.”

Breitbart News previously reported that Founding Father James Madison used Federalist 46 to make that very point–that armed citizens could band together and resist their government, should it tend toward tyranny. And he pointed out that this demonstrated American exceptionalism inasmuch as citizens of other nations, lacking arms, also lacked the ability to resist.

The Daily Beast addressed the way Hillary mentioned confiscation only later to mock gun owners for fearing the government might come after their guns:

    Clinton can joke all she likes about Americans fearing “black helicopters” taking their guns away, but it is no exaggeration to suggest that civil war could erupt on American soil were the U.S. government to attempt anything remotely resembling what was done in Australia.

The column in The Daily Beast is aptly titled, “Yes, They Want to Take Your Guns Away.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/02/daily-beast-obama-hillary-toying-civil-war-gun-confiscation/
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It would be a war, all right, and it would be anything but civil.
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Can you imagine? Leftist would have to arm up... :silly: and touch those dirty, filthy guns!

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There are an estimated 347,000,000 guns in the United States.  That is just an estimation and I think  there are far more guns than that estimation.  Even though most states deny access to gun registration the government can still track gun owners -- if you've used a credit card to purchase ammunition, a gun, or even visited a gun range; my guess is feds know about it.  I think by this article we are thinking of the government using a "raid" for confiscation, and certainly 'toying' with a Civil War is an understatement.  However, we should not lose sight of the fact that the government is trying to find other ways to confiscate guns without those "raids" such as the recent idea of anyone who has been prescribed any type of anti-depressant may be deemed as mentally incompetent to own a gun, etc.

We've got a lot riding on this upcoming election, but certainly electing someone who is strong on our 2nd Amendment rights should be the most important issue when pulling that lever.

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The Daily Beast suggests Carson hit on something “Second Amendment enthusiasts are fond of arguing,” namely, “that gun rights are enshrined in the Constitution not only for the sake of hunters or people who want to protect their homes and businesses from criminals, but also to allow the population to resist an overreaching government.”

Resisting a tyrannical government or foreign invasion are the only reasons the 2A is there.

It has nothing to do with hunting... or criminals (except for the government kind)...


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Speaking of Carson, his stance on the 2nd Amendment should not be taken lightly.  He has waivered several times on this issue and for me that's enough NOT to support him.  In addition to that he is soft on illegal immigration, another reason that I can NOT support him.

Romans 12:16-21

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Speaking of Carson, his stance on the 2nd Amendment should not be taken lightly.  He has waivered several times on this issue and for me that's enough NOT to support him.  In addition to that he is soft on illegal immigration, another reason that I can NOT support him.

I think he's soft on gun control because he is black first and American second...

Gun violence among blacks is epidemic and he's inclined toward gun control as a solution...


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I think he's soft on gun control because he is black first and American second...

Gun violence among blacks is epidemic and he's inclined toward gun control as a solution...

If that's the case, and I doubt it is, he's an idiot.  Most black shooting deaths are from illegal guns in major urban areas that already restrict most gun ownership.


It isn't licensed CCW owners mowing down LaSean and DeMarcus on a Friday night.
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350 million privately owned guns in the US.
Around 40% of households own a gun.

Good luck with that.

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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I think you'll be surprised how easy it is to disarm law-abiding U.S. citizens...


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I think you'll be surprised how easy it is to disarm law-abiding U.S. citizens...

Some of them maybe. Most of them NO!
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I am completely sick of "the government" already. I propose a solution.

Why don't they live in their perfect little utopian bubble and I will live in my little world, which is of course 'not correct', according to them, and we can simply leave each other alone?

The difference is that I absolutly do not care what they do, or think, or feel, but they go to bed each night worrying about every thing that I do, and think, and feel. How about just leave me alone?  Why is that so hard for them?

Can I get a restraining order against the government? Leave me alone, seems to be too much to ask from our unbelievably invasive "government" these days. The "government" has become my 'mommy'.
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I am completely sick of "the government" already. I propose a solution.

Why don't they live in their perfect little utopian bubble and I will live in my little world, which is of course 'not correct', according to them, and we can simply leave each other alone?

The difference is that I absolutly do not care what they do, or think, or feel, but they go to bed each night worrying about every thing that I do, and think, and feel. How about just leave me alone?  Why is that so hard for them?

Can I get a restraining order against the government? Leave me alone, seems to be too much to ask from our unbelievably invasive "government" these days. The "government" has become my 'mommy'.

Won't work for them!  They make their livings by messing with you!
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Won't work for them!  They make their livings by messing with you!

But, isn't it we who empower government and lavish those who work within it specifically to mess with 240 (and us)?

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What happens when the government becomes a relentless stalker which follows you every where, watching every thing you do, and wants to control your life? What if they are doing it to "protect" you from yourself?

If I can get a restraining order against a stalker who is interfering with my life, then why can't I restrain the government, which is the biggest, most pernicious, 'stalker' America has ever known?
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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In case is isn't clear, the democrat side is setting this issue up, hoping some Republicans will make statements that turn out to be unwise politically.

Like Romney and his 47 percent goof.

Therefore it is best to keep quiet and go about our business, without shooting our mouths off too much.

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If I can get a restraining order against a stalker who is interfering with my life, then why can't I restrain the government, which is the biggest, most pernicious,  'stalker' America has ever known? 

The best restraining order comes from the voting booth.  The midterm elections in 2014 -- Republican majorities in both Houses of Congress -- were supposed to be a restraining order--and we know how well that's worked out.   So I'm out of suggestions.   :shrug: 


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350 million privately owned guns in the US.
Around 40% of households own a gun.

Good luck with that.

I have "a gun", too.

One for each room.
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But, isn't it we who empower government and lavish those who work within it specifically to mess with 240 (and us)?

That is most assuredly how it's supposed to work but that has been turned on it's head in recent times and We need to fix that.
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Guess I'm the broken record.
I've posted this before, but since others raised the discussion, I'll post it again.

Most of you wouldn't dirty your hands with this book.
But read the subtitle:
"What will you do when they come to take your guns?"

https://tinyurl.com/qybh9pg

Despise him if you wish, but this author saw the future...

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Nobody is going to confiscate any guns.  The Daily Beast is pissing in our Wheaties, hoping to get us whipped into a frenzy.

NOBODY IS GOING TO CONFISCATE OUR GUNS.   They wouldn't dare cuz they know they'd get their heads shot off. Literally.
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