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John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« on: January 19, 2015, 02:02:25 am »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/18/john-mccain-armed-services_n_6495826.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
 AP    |  By   LAURIE KELLMAN
Posted: 01/18/2015 8:33 am EST Updated: 01/18/2015 8:59 am EST

WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. John McCain is waging another national campaign — this time, to define his legacy.

After two unsuccessful presidential bids, the 78-year-old former Navy pilot and Vietnam prisoner of war has rebounded as the chairman of the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee. The post gives the Arizona Republican a significant say on national security — and a chance to ensure that his loss to Barack Obama in the 2008 White House race isn't the final word in the colorful McCain chronicles.

McCain wants to prod the Obama administration, which he derides as feckless, to adopt a tougher policy against worldwide threats. He wants budget and spending changes at the Pentagon.

A defense hawk in a party with a growing number of noninterventionists — he once dismissed a few as "wacko birds" — McCain wants to help educate new senators. McCain is calling foreign policy luminaries to share their world views with the committee, beginning this week with former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Brent Scowcroft. His abiding friendships across Washington's political tribes are points of pride.

But ask McCain what he wants people to think of when they will recall his chairmanship.

Then ask how he wants to be remembered generally.

The answers are nearly identical.

"To be able to play a significant role in defeating the forces of radical Islam that want to destroy America," he says to the first.

To the second: "That I made a major contribution to the defense of the nation."

It's legacy time for McCain, and he clearly wants the chairmanship to help define it, before voters in 2016 get the chance again to decide control of the Senate. The senator turns 80 that year, and all signs point to McCain running for a sixth Senate term.

Two years is a short window for a lot of work, but the leadership role gives McCain new power to push his agenda. He still has the energy that has helped him survive a hard-to-makeup biography: three plane crashes, an aircraft carrier fire, five torturous years in captivity in Vietnam, nearly three decades in the Senate — and too many donut-fueled hours with reporters aboard the "Straight Talk Express" presidential campaign bus in 2000 and 2008.

"You will see, probably, the busiest Senate Armed Services Committee that you've ever seen," McCain said in a recent interview.

Some members of the administration are eager to reset the sometimes-tense relations with the blunt-spoken, dry-humored senator. After all, knotty international issues, such as the prospect of using force against Islamic State militants, fall within the purview of McCain's committee.

"John is quixotic," Vice President Joe Biden said in a recent telephone interview.

The two are genuine friends from serving two decades together in the Senate, though it's clear that Biden hasn't forgotten "some interesting things he's said about me, publicly" — such as McCain's suggestion in 2012 that Obama drop Biden as his running mate.

"I know he loves me. And I care about him, I really do," a chuckling Biden said of McCain. "I think John's legacy is that he never quits."

McCain has a similar relationship with Secretary of State John Kerry, also a former Senate colleague and, like Biden, a onetime presidential hopeful.

Last April, during a hearing, McCain ripped into Kerry for "talking strongly and carrying a very small stick — in fact, a twig" on foreign policy. Kerry rejected what he said was McCain's "premature judgment about the failure of everything."

For all his partisan bluster and fierce conviction, McCain has a record of dealmaking so established that it inflames some on the political right, Kerry said. The pair, both decorated Vietnam veterans, played key roles when President Bill Clinton normalized relations with Vietnam in 1995. More recently, McCain's been a member of bipartisan Senate groups that worked out deals on judges and immigration, though an immigration overhaul stalled in the House.

"He's a guy you want fighting with you if you can find a way" to compromise, Kerry said in a statement to The Associated Press. "This moment is a big one for him, and he has the capacity to really make a deep impact."

McCain is a frequent target of the right, who complain about his work with Democrats, from the late Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy to Democrat-turned-independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut. The latter might have ended up as McCain's running mate in 2008. Instead, McCain went with Sarah Palin.

On the Pentagon, McCain is looking to a longtime role model, Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater, the GOP's presidential nominee in 1964 who lost that race, then returned to the Senate to serve as chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

McCain said the committee will tackle Pentagon restructuring as a sequel of sorts to the 1986 Goldwater-Nichols Department of Defense Reorganization Act, which streamlined the military chain of command.

McCain wants to end the automatic spending cuts that affected the military. Early next month, he expects the committee to confirm Ashton Carter as Obama's new secretary of defense. He would like the outgoing secretary, former GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, once a close friend, to testify when the committee considers the Pentagon budget.

Witnesses, regardless of party, should not expect a comfortable experience, said someone who knows.

"He would go after me just as much as anybody else," recalled ex-Defense Secretary William Cohen, a former Republican senator from Maine who served under Clinton.

"He can embarrass you," Cohen said. "But he's got a really good heart in terms of his sense of fairness."
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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2015, 05:46:44 am »
You had me scared for a minute ... I thought he was running for president again.
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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2015, 05:59:39 am »
McCain...just the name itself makes me chuckle. He is such a freakin McCain. lol
 
He is the biggest apologist for the Left. I still think he voted for Hussein.
 
When you think of 'Government', McCain is the definition of that. No morals. No core. Just everthing for me, at any cost. That is who he is. That is what the the 'government' is.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 06:09:15 am »
McCain...just the name itself makes me chuckle. He is such a freakin McCain. lol
 
He is the biggest apologist for the Left. I still think he voted for Hussein.
 
When you think of 'Government', McCain is the definition of that. No morals. No core. Just everthing for me, at any cost. That is who he is. That is what the the 'government' is.

IF he truly wanted to do some good he would have retired a long time ago.
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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 08:01:33 am »
IF he truly wanted to do some good he would have retired a long time ago.

What is wrong with being 190 years old and still in office.
 
McCain is just like all of his Liberal friends. He will never leave, until he is dead. They will pull him out of his office dead, and even then he will still be fighting to stay.
 
All these people are the same. Pelosi, Reid, McCain. Death is the only thing that will make them ever leave. And when they die, their last thought will be that they are missing a conference call they were supposed to be on at 2:00 o'clock.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2015, 09:10:21 am »
What is wrong with being 190 years old and still in office.
 
McCain is just like all of his Liberal friends. He will never leave, until he is dead. They will pull him out of his office dead, and even then he will still be fighting to stay.

All these people are the same. Pelosi, Reid, McCain.

They are the same!!!  They all ramrodded Obamacare down our throats!!!  They all love Al-Quada.  They love taxes and hate Jesus.  They all eat lunch together (drinking foreign beers) and plot how to undermine the CONSTITUTION!!! They are ALL Senators.

How does the state that gave us Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and Barry Goldwater keep sending McCain back to the Senate election, after election, and election, and election.  How did McCain ever become the Republican nominee for President?  How did he fool Governor Palin into joining him on his mad quest to fool 60 million voters into almost electing him President.  Whew...We dodged a bullet that day.

He's also a cripple, ugly, 190 years old, and he turns into a zombie.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 05:50:57 am »

What is wrong with being 190 years old and still in office.
 
McCain is just like all of his Liberal friends. He will never leave, until he is dead. They will pull him out of his office dead, and even then he will still be fighting to stay.
 
All these people are the same. Pelosi, Reid, McCain. Death is the only thing that will make them ever leave. And when they die, their last thought will be that they are missing a conference call they were supposed to be on at 2:00 o'clock.

I just re-read my old posts. When I came across this one. All I could think of is how shallow and pathetic the lives of these people.
 
I live life for life.
 
These people live life for nothing more than money and power. That really is pathetic. Shit man, you give me half the money these bastards have stolen from us, and put it in their own bank accounts, I would be gone. I would be living on an island somewhere.
 
But not them. They want more, more, more, and more than that. Why?
 
I really do think that the American Congress is composed of at least 50% mentally disturbed people.
 
And I doubt very much that you could find anyone involved in government who would say that I am wrong.
 
They will never leave untill they are dead, and dragged out of their office to a hole in the ground.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2015, 09:38:28 am »

I just re-read my old posts. When I came across this one. All I could think of is how shallow and pathetic the lives of these people.
 
I live life for life.

Life - Live it!!!
 
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These people live life for nothing more than money and power. That really is pathetic. Shit man, you give me half the money these bastards have stolen from us, and put it in their own bank accounts, I would be gone. I would be living on an island somewhere.
 
But not them. They want more, more, more, and more than that. Why?

I wrack my brain, but I also can't understand why people want money and power...when there is life to live.
 
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I really do think that the American Congress is composed of at least 50% mentally disturbed people.

and the voters that vote for Congress are likely more mentally disturbed.
 
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And I doubt very much that you could find anyone involved in government who would say that I am wrong.

Maybe one or two but they're probably in the pockets of that zany Congress.

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They will never leave untill they are dead, and dragged out of their office to a hole in the ground.
fade to black...Cue spooky music and fade in a wide pan shot of zombie congressmen crawling out of the hole...and...scene. 

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2015, 01:55:52 pm »
Alright. You got me. That zombie congressmen line made laugh out loud. I just do not think it is too far fetched. These people are utterly obsessed with keeping their office. And I am not sure even death will contain them and keep them out.
 
The point of my post is that I do not understand this kind of thinking. And I think the founding fathers did not think of this obsession either. I do not think the founding fathers ever thought someone would stay in office for 60 years and refuse to leave. They thought of 'government' as a necessary chore, that you do for a while and then you get back to real life. They never thought about the squatters we have today in Congress. From the Father's point of view, who would want to do that? And I agree.
 
No joke. The average person in Congress has 10 of millions of dollars. If I had even just half that, you could not force me to go to work. I would be fishing with the kids. And sittin' in the sun.
 
I do not understand Congress. I do not understand this utter refusal to just 'let go'. Maybe it is me. Maybe I am the one who is messed up?
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2015, 02:56:29 am »
The point of my post is that I do not understand this kind of thinking. And I think the founding fathers did not think of this obsession either. I do not think the founding fathers ever thought someone would stay in office for 60 years and refuse to leave.
I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor about yourself.  I can appreciate that in any fellow American.  So that makes me feel a little uneasy in being so blunt. 

You don't know what you are talking about.

Nobody has stayed in one office for 60 years.  The longest serving Senator was Grand Wizard Robert C. Byrd who held his seat for 51 years.

Nobody is refusing to leave office.  Incumbents only require that the voters replace them with someone else.  If Klansman Byrd wants to continue serving, and voters keep re-electing him to represent West Virginia until the day he dies...why should the voters of WV care what I think?  I live in WI.

Since the Founders wrote no limits on public service I'm guessing they were fine with it. 

John Adams' public service started as a representative from Massachusetts from 1770 and ended 30 years later in 1801 as President.

Thomas Jefferson started his public service in 1769 in the Virginia House of Burgesses and ended 40 years later as President.

James Madison started his political carrier in 1776 and ended as President in 1817(41 years)

Ben Franklin held the office of postmaster in 1737and held it until 1753.  He was elected to the PA assembly in 1751  in 1775 he became the first postmaster general. in 1785 he became President of PA and served until 1788.  He died 2 years later.  That's a 51 year career of public service. 

In 1756 Samuel Adams became a Boston tax collector for 12 years.  He then became clerk of the MA house of representatives.  Then a delegate to the first 2 continental congresses, then a MA state rep, Lt Gov, and finally MA Gov.(47 years of service)

Perhaps America would have been better off without their expertise, but I doubt it.

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No joke. The average person in Congress has 10 of millions of dollars. If I had even just half that, you could not force me to go to work. I would be fishing with the kids. And sittin' in the sun.

That should be a joke. 

The average congressman has a net worth of $1 million.  http://ballotpedia.org/Net_Worth_of_United_States_Senators_and_Representatives

My fantastic Senator Ron Johnson has a net worth of $25 Million.  Should he be fishing with the kids in the sun, instead of trying to represent WI values?  Not in my opinion.

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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2015, 03:45:21 am »
:facepalm2:

If Romney lacks what it takes to get to "third time's the charm", then McCain doesn't have a snowball's chance in hades.

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Re: John McCain Is Beginning Another National Campaign
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2015, 04:28:48 am »
240b wrote above:
[[ But not them. They want more, more, more, and more than that. Why? ]]

Some folks are born, made to wave the flag
Ooo, they're red, white and blue
And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief"
Ooo, they point the cannon at you, Lord

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no

Some folks are born, silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, y'all
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yeah

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no

Yeah, yeah
Some folks inherit star spangled eyes
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer "More! More! More!", y'all

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, one
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no, no, no
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, no, no, no

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