LENA DUNHAM TWEETS EXCUSES FOR HER ALLEGED-RAPIST: NOT A 'CLEAR CUT VILLAIN'

[briskirn]

How does my position just mirror the msm? How is my position not, in some ways, accurate?

[briskirn]

Republicans say no, we need less federal assistance, not more. They say we don't need Obamacare (But to date I haven't heard much of a counter proposal. If I'm wrong on that, I would love to be, so please tell me). They say no gay marriage (Even though the same percentage of Republicans don't strongly oppose gay marriage like the general population). They say no late term abortions.

Not that I disagree at all with saying no, but minorities look at that and say wth? So why would I vote for you? What's in it for me? They don't understand the big picture...

I'm trying to find a conservative economist who did a great lecture on the big picture. He actually referred to Republicans as the Party of No. Gonna post it when I find it...

[GourmetDan]

How does my position just mirror the msm? How is my position not, in some ways, accurate?

What position did you take that was inconsistent with the msm?

How few of your 'ways' do you require to consider your position to be 'accurate'?

[briskirn]

That's it.

http://www.thepursuitofhappiness.com/the-big-picture/

[briskirn]

What position did you take that was inconsistent with the msm?

How few of your 'ways' do you require to consider your position to be 'accurate'?

Rephrase the question, please. I think I've fleshed out my opinion well enough.

[GourmetDan]

Rephrase the question, please. I think I've fleshed out my opinion well enough.

"Those who set the terms of the debate, control the outcomes of that debate."

Nice try...

[briskirn]

You said my position mirrors the msm. I'm saying it doesn't.

I get the impression that you are being evasive. I've brought up a lot of specific details about what I think.

How about we start this way: What do you believe the msm views to be?

[GourmetDan]

You said my position mirrors the msm. I'm saying it doesn't.

I get the impression that you are being evasive. I've brought up a lot of specific details about what I think.

How about we start this way: What do you believe the msm views to be?

I said a lot more than the limited understanding you admit to.  I'm sure there are plenty of others who will be more than happy to debate you on your terms.

I'm not one of them...

[briskirn]

Again, my impression is that you are making the terms.

Ok, bye bye then.

[Bigun]

"Maybe she was just trolling." "You've got a lot more to learn." Got it. Yes, not condescending at all.

Mystery-Ak wrote me a personal message on my email account, so I came back to read the replies.

Here's my background: I grew up in poverty in deep East Texas. I put myself through school, eventually earning an RN degree. Life took a few twists and turns, and I became very involved in the legislative processes of regulating healthcare in my area. I used to travel to Austin to attend stakeholder meetings, but I put that behind me about a year ago because I wanted to be back on staff. Currently I'm working in an ER, where I help people with suffering, chronic pain, death and dying on the daily. Today I own my own home, have savings, and am paying for my sister to go to college. So please don't accuse me of being thin skinned, sir.

And yes, I dare say there are many weaknesses in the conservative party. I like the way you put it, Alice, when you said liberals are more likely to think in groups than conservatives. Reagan was outstanding in that he could unite the conservatives, but that's another tangent. When I am not working, I am very involved in the arts and performance scene in Dallas. I perform regularly with a group of women. I went to a very liberal college, and artists tend to be very liberal. Wendy Davis has half the support as Greg Abbott in my state, but on my facebook, 4 times as many people on my friend's list have "liked" her page. As a result, I speak fluent liberal, and I know exactly what they think of conservatives.

In fact, until I was about 24, I was liberal. I was apathetic, and I did not vote. I didn't care to learn much about politics at all. It all changed when I started having those adult, real world experiences that showed the truth to me. I am intimately aware of the mental pathway from bleeding heart liberal to I live in reality conservative.

But what really set off my Irish temper was one word in this thread. And I argue, posters, that there were actually a few posts after, including Mountaineers, that seemed dismissive while I was talking about a subject that is actually important to me. That was when DC Patriot told me I was "overthinking" it.

The term "overthinking" still gets my blood boiling a little bit, to be honest. I went to a party last weekend with a friend, when a strange man approached us and very brazenly asked her to take her top off (We were both wearing flats, jeans, and t shirts, and nothing about our behavior invited  this kind of treatment). I was walking with a man and a woman a few days ago, and his friend made jokes about how he should "go for it" meaning with us. I went to Vegas a few months ago. I only go because my fiancé likes it. In the literal five minutes I was separated from him, a pimp approached me and in utterly creepy manner tried to recruit me.

So yes, it was offensive to me that what has basically been a collection of life experiences for me and worthy of analysis was so easily poo poo'd. I wonder, men on this site, how often, if at all, you have any of the experiences I just listed? I can tell you that I can rattle off many many more....

I do like being a young, attractive woman. There is a lot of power in it. But my friends and I do attract a lot of attention that is frequently unwelcome. Dealing with men is a very important part of our lives, so to hear someone tell me I was "overthinking" it (and a few other posts after), yes, it offended me.

The place where the liberal progressive movement runs circles around conservatives is that it makes minority causes seem like a priority. I know it's a lie. These programs have done nothing to solve poverty, race baiting increases agitation, women are still paid less in the white house, etc. Most people don't look at facts, though, they just want a politician to lend a (fake) sympathetic ear.  Meanwhile, Republicans have been called "The Party of No." No, you can't have that, no, you shouldn't do that, etc etc.

Care to debate me on that, Dan?

Briskin it seems to me that you are painting the entire male gender with a brush constructed from a very narrow set of experiences. Could be you need to change the environment you currently find yourself in.

[Lando Lincoln]

"Maybe she was just trolling." "You've got a lot more to learn." Got it. Yes, not condescending at all.

Mystery-Ak wrote me a personal message on my email account, so I came back to read the replies.

Here's my background: I grew up in poverty in deep East Texas. I put myself through school, eventually earning an RN degree. Life took a few twists and turns, and I became very involved in the legislative processes of regulating healthcare in my area. I used to travel to Austin to attend stakeholder meetings, but I put that behind me about a year ago because I wanted to be back on staff. Currently I'm working in an ER, where I help people with suffering, chronic pain, death and dying on the daily. Today I own my own home, have savings, and am paying for my sister to go to college. So please don't accuse me of being thin skinned, sir.

And yes, I dare say there are many weaknesses in the conservative party. I like the way you put it, Alice, when you said liberals are more likely to think in groups than conservatives. Reagan was outstanding in that he could unite the conservatives, but that's another tangent. When I am not working, I am very involved in the arts and performance scene in Dallas. I perform regularly with a group of women. I went to a very liberal college, and artists tend to be very liberal. Wendy Davis has half the support as Greg Abbott in my state, but on my facebook, 4 times as many people on my friend's list have "liked" her page. As a result, I speak fluent liberal, and I know exactly what they think of conservatives.

In fact, until I was about 24, I was liberal. I was apathetic, and I did not vote. I didn't care to learn much about politics at all. It all changed when I started having those adult, real world experiences that showed the truth to me. I am intimately aware of the mental pathway from bleeding heart liberal to I live in reality conservative.

But what really set off my Irish temper was one word in this thread. And I argue, posters, that there were actually a few posts after, including Mountaineers, that seemed dismissive while I was talking about a subject that is actually important to me. That was when DC Patriot told me I was "overthinking" it.

The term "overthinking" still gets my blood boiling a little bit, to be honest. I went to a party last weekend with a friend, when a strange man approached us and very brazenly asked her to take her top off (We were both wearing flats, jeans, and t shirts, and nothing about our behavior invited  this kind of treatment). I was walking with a man and a woman a few days ago, and his friend made jokes about how he should "go for it" meaning with us. I went to Vegas a few months ago. I only go because my fiancé likes it. In the literal five minutes I was separated from him, a pimp approached me and in utterly creepy manner tried to recruit me.

So yes, it was offensive to me that what has basically been a collection of life experiences for me and worthy of analysis was so easily poo poo'd. I wonder, men on this site, how often, if at all, you have any of the experiences I just listed? I can tell you that I can rattle off many many more....

I do like being a young, attractive woman. There is a lot of power in it. But my friends and I do attract a lot of attention that is frequently unwelcome. Dealing with men is a very important part of our lives, so to hear someone tell me I was "overthinking" it (and a few other posts after), yes, it offended me.

The place where the liberal progressive movement runs circles around conservatives is that it makes minority causes seem like a priority. I know it's a lie. These programs have done nothing to solve poverty, race baiting increases agitation, women are still paid less in the white house, etc. Most people don't look at facts, though, they just want a politician to lend a (fake) sympathetic ear.  Meanwhile, Republicans have been called "The Party of No." No, you can't have that, no, you shouldn't do that, etc etc.

Care to debate me on that, Dan?

Welcome to our little corner in the cyber-world.  It will be interesting as you get settled and our mutual familiarity grows.  I may be wrong, but it strikes me that there is a bitter undertone to your commentary.

[jmyrlefuller]

Again, my impression is that you are making the terms.

Ok, bye bye then.

There is an “ignore button.” If you find his comments bothersome, but still want to post here, you can use the ignore feature.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,78366.0.html

Glad to see you back, by the way.

[briskirn]

Briskin it seems to me that you are painting the entire male gender with a brush constructed from a very narrow set of experiences. Could be you need to change the environment you currently find yourself in.

If there was any direction I thought this conversation would go, I thought someone would have called me out about that a lot sooner. Let me take this opportunity to say that I have many, many examples of moral men in my life who are great fathers, providers, and leaders.

One of the examples I brought up was when I was walking with a female friend of mine and a man I just met. After his friend started joking about him having a threesome with us, the male friend, who has an extensive military background, immediately went into a very protective mode with us and expressed that he did not feel comfortable having us walk to our cars alone (We were on our way out). The next day (he was single), I didn't doubt his sincerity because the feedback he gave about me to our mutual female friend was that he enjoyed my company that night and thought I was a nice person.

I don't interpret men's protective impulses towards women as an indication that we can't handle ourselves at all. I find it an extremely charming male quality, and in the back of my mind I realistically understand that if push comes to shove, I would not be able to overpower a man.

Most men are decent men (but we are all human).  It's an unfortunate minority who I believe see women not as people but as objects that serve a physical function. Then again, with my example, I think it may have been jealousy that made the one man make jokes about us while we walked with our friend.

So yes, I do admit to a certain degree of cynicism, but I try to see the good in people. I am proud of this country I live in, established by men, and I am glad that I have the freedoms that women have here.

[briskirn]

There is an “ignore button.” If you find his comments bothersome, but still want to post here, you can use the ignore feature.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,78366.0.html

Glad to see you back, by the way.

Thanks! He really didn't bother me at all. I was just trying to figure out what the crap he was saying.

[Bigun]

If there was any direction I thought this conversation would go, I thought someone would have called me out about that a lot sooner. Let me take this opportunity to say that I have many, many examples of moral men in my life who are great fathers, providers, and leaders.

One of the examples I brought up was when I was walking with a female friend of mine and a man I just met. After his friend started joking about him having a threesome with us, the male friend, who has an extensive military background, immediately went into a very protective mode with us and expressed that he did not feel comfortable having us walk to our cars alone (We were on our way out). The next day (he was single), I didn't doubt his sincerity because the feedback he gave about me to our mutual female friend was that he enjoyed my company that night and thought I was a nice person.

I don't interpret men's protective impulses towards women as an indication that we can't handle ourselves at all. I find it an extremely charming male quality, and in the back of my mind I realistically understand that if push comes to shove, I would not be able to overpower a man.

Most men are decent men (but we are all human).  It's an unfortunate minority who I believe see women not as people but as objects that serve a physical function. Then again, with my example, I think it may have been jealousy that made the one man make jokes about us while we walked with our friend.

So yes, I do admit to a certain degree of cynicism, but I try to see the good in people. I am proud of this country I live in, established by men, and I am glad that I have the freedoms that women have here.

Great! That makes me feel better about all this!

[Lando Lincoln]

If there was any direction I thought this conversation would go, I thought someone would have called me out about that a lot sooner. Let me take this opportunity to say that I have many, many examples of moral men in my life who are great fathers, providers, and leaders.

One of the examples I brought up was when I was walking with a female friend of mine and a man I just met. After his friend started joking about him having a threesome with us, the male friend, who has an extensive military background, immediately went into a very protective mode with us and expressed that he did not feel comfortable having us walk to our cars alone (We were on our way out). The next day (he was single), I didn't doubt his sincerity because the feedback he gave about me to our mutual female friend was that he enjoyed my company that night and thought I was a nice person.

I don't interpret men's protective impulses towards women as an indication that we can't handle ourselves at all. I find it an extremely charming male quality, and in the back of my mind I realistically understand that if push comes to shove, I would not be able to overpower a man.

Most men are decent men (but we are all human).  It's an unfortunate minority who I believe see women not as people but as objects that serve a physical function. Then again, with my example, I think it may have been jealousy that made the one man make jokes about us while we walked with our friend.

So yes, I do admit to a certain degree of cynicism, but I try to see the good in people. I am proud of this country I live in, established by men, and I am glad that I have the freedoms that women have here.

Thank you for that!

[mystery-ak]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/10/18/lena-dunham-tweets-excuses-alleged-rapist-not-villain

by JOHN NOLTE  18 Oct 2014

According to Lena Dunham's memoir "Not That Kind of Girl," the same man who allegedly raped her and hurt two other women is still on the loose.

According to our own reporting, Dunham has not volunteered to cooperate with authorities in order to get her rapist off the street.

Early Saturday morning, Dunham appeared to tweet excuses for the man she claims raped her.

During a book tour appearance earlier this month, Dunham told Howard Stern that not all rapists are "straight-forward villains." Dunham's tweets, though, represent the first time she appears to have made excuses for the man she claims sexually assaulted her as 19 year-old Oberlin College student.

Directing her Twitter comments at "certain 'news' outlets" that questioned her rape tale (something Breitbart News has not done) Dunham wrote that "Some men are enraged by stories of sexual assault that don't have clear cut villains, pimps or men with guns…"
Another Dunham tweet suggested that "stories [of sexual assault] force [men]to ask hard questions about their history with consent." There were five tweets in all. They are embedded below.

In her memoir, Dunham does not describe her rapist as a "pimp" or a "man with a gun." The man she calls Barry does, however, come off as a "clear-cut villain."

Dunham not only alleges that Barry raped her but that he did so without a condom. Moreover, Dunham shares stories she heard about Barry punching another woman "in the boobs" and leaving a wall "spattered with blood" after a consensual sexual encounter with a third woman.

Scientific studies show that Barry is almost certain to continue to hurt women until he is incarcerated.

This makes Dunham's unwillingness to cooperate with the local police all the more baffling.

As far as Dunham's refusal to declare the "mustachioed campus Republican" who allegedly raped her and hurt two other women a "clear-cut villain," that's just bizarre.

If a rapist and serial abuser of women is not a clear cut villain, no one is. This kind of dissembling and excuse-making just doesn't fit with Dunham's highly-publicized role as a campus rape activist.

Dunham appears to believe men can't possibly understand what she went through. This might be true. What Dunham doesn't appear to understand is that men like myself, who adore and cherish the women in their life, desperately want rapists confronted, charged, and jailed.

That statute of limitations for rape in the state where Dunham says she was assaulted (Ohio) is 20 years. The alleged incident occurred less than 10 years ago. While we should be sympathetic with the difficult emotional process Dunham went through over the years to come to terms with what she believed happened to her, now that she has, she has a responsibility as a citizen, in her role as a campus rape activist, and to Barry's next potential victim to come forward and press charges. 

Instead, Dunham has thus far chosen not to cooperate with authorities and is now making excuses for a man she's labeled a rapist. 
Dunham cannot claim to hold the moral high ground and sanctimoniously lecture the rest of us about rape and "no means no" while she refuses to lift a finger to get an alleged rapist off the street.

Breitbart News has spoken to Oberlin College and the Oberlin Police Department. Both institutions are aware of Dunham's charges and are taking them seriously.

At this point, only Lena Dunham can protect Barry's next victim, and for some unfathomable reason she is refusing to do so.

Lena Dunham        ✔ @lenadunham
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And I have some news for certain "news" outlets. No matter how much you thump your keyboards with your meat hands we will not stop talking.
1:43 AM - 18 Oct 2014

Lena Dunham        ✔ @lenadunham
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Thank you to all the women who have shared with me, and to all the men who have said "I believe you." I love you.
1:34 AM - 18 Oct 2014

Lena Dunham        ✔ @lenadunham
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Well, we all have to ask hard questions. Grow the bleep up.
1:29 AM - 18 Oct 2014

Lena Dunham        ✔ @lenadunham
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That's because these stories force them to ask hard questions about their history with consent...
1:29 AM - 18 Oct 2014

Lena Dunham        ✔ @lenadunham
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Some men are enraged by stories of sexual assault that don't have clear cut villains, pimps or men with guns...
1:29 AM - 18 Oct 2014

[Atomic Cow]

This woman is so full of sh*t.

[flowers]

What is a Lena Dunham?

[alicewonders]

She's clearly mentally ill and these stories are her cry for help.  Nowadays, our society encourages it.  Same with her always taking her clothes off, it's a cry for help.