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Oliver JJ Lane 1 Apr 2026

President Donald Trump says he is reconsidering America’s membership of NATO after not a single member heeded his call for aid in securing the Middle East from Iranian threats, he told a British newspaper.

It was “actually hard to believe” the hard refusals of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO’s) European members, that the instinct to rally to the flag of a fellow member when called wasn’t reflexive, U.S. President Donald Trump has told The Daily Telegraph.

In remarks that follow and acknowledged  U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s Monday statement that America’s membership of the alliance would have to be “re-examined”, President Trump confirmed he was reconsidering America’s engagement and added: “I was never swayed by NATO. I always knew they were a paper tiger, and Putin knows that too, by the way.”

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Dumb POS.  BREXIT was predicated on US support, trade, and goodwill.

Now the UK will have to grovel its way back on its hands and knees to the EU for forgiveness.
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Now the UK will have to grovel its way back on its hands and knees to the EU for forgiveness

I see it the other way.

If the US is abandoning Europe, the UK will be that much more needed (and appreciated) in the EU.

* btw, Team Trump does realize there was a quiet bargain in effect for many years, right?

The US was part of NATO and European defense, and in return Europe preferentially bought American goods ... like airplanes, machinery, and nuclear reactors

If the US abandons Europe, then there's no real onus on Europe to preferentially buy American anymore, right?
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I see it the other way.

If the US is abandoning Europe, the UK will be that much more needed (and appreciated) in the EU.

I don't understand how.  BREXIT ruffled a lot of feathers, and if the UK can think they can just waltz back over as a founding member?  I don't think that is how the dynamics of European politics works.  UK will appear more a turncoat, and not be trusted.  If you are thinking as a intermediary, hink Keir "Neville" Starmer burned that bridge the past month.  Don't forget that the one singular military UK operation of the past 50 years (Falklands). was only possible with full US help.  I wonder now, if we helped the wrong side.

* btw, Team Trump does realize there was a quiet bargain in effect for many years, right?

I have no idea what you mean here.


The US was part of NATO and European defense, and in return Europe preferentially bought American goods ... like airplanes, machinery, and nuclear reactors.

Do you realize how much these NATO countries are helped and thrive due to  the bases in their countries?  Our military  spends there profusely, and as far as I am concerned...  close 'em all, and let the EU fend for themselves.  The intent of the EU was to compete with the US economically, and they are successful approaching our own GDP.  I also am salivating about how much of my tax dollars will be saved by not subsidizing Europe's defense. 


If the US abandons Europe, then there's no real onus on Europe to preferentially buy American anymore, right?

You really think those European leaders are going to deliver on those commitments to what they got in those trade deals?  If we see 10 cents on the dollar, I'll be surprised.  Come January 20, 2029 there will be a clean slate.   Vs. GTHO, which will have substantial savings to our national bottom line.  Any way, the PAC RIM on a long term basis, is where the long term numbers are.


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https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/2039334715719622786

Rubio nails it again.  What we are doing in Iran has a 100% common long  term interest in a sterilized Iran.  For security sake alone.  NATO's backbone is a treaty, and from what I have seen from France, UK, and Spain the past few weeks have been in breach of that treaty. 

Then you add the fact Turkey is there, who serves as a proverbial double agent?   High time we got out.
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My point is, isolationism works both ways.

Europe makes everything America does.

If America wants to pursue isolationist policies, don't be surprised if Europe starts buying more within Europe, instead of America.

(Isolationism is what the World had in the 1930s ... how did that work out for Peace?)
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NATO is a defensive alliance.
NATO invoked Article 5 after 9/11/ to help the US.

Yes, the Europeans are lazy soocialists who have benefitted greatly from Pax Americana, and treat Americans like backwoods cousins and chumps.

Culturally and politically, I want nothing to do with Europe.  My anscestors risked there lives to escape the Old World for a reason.

Economically, Europe discriminates against American companies and engages in protectionism.

Militarily we need to remain close to Europe to prevent them from F'ing up their Continent again, and drawing us into another war to "Defend Democracy".
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My point is, isolationism works both ways.

Europe makes everything America does.

If America wants to pursue isolationist policies, don't be surprised if Europe starts buying more within Europe, instead of America.

(Isolationism is what the World had in the 1930s ... how did that work out for Peace?)

I am not advocating for full isolationism.  Just some equity, and dissolution of an institution (NATO) that has outlived its usefulness.  Hate to tell you but the USSR died 35 years ago.  I am fine with a small contingent with country's that are true supportive allies like Poland. 

And bases?  We are way over extended, and it is high time the POWERFUL EU take care of its own security.  You are not a US taxpayer.  I don't expect you to fully understand, especially since this country is $39T in debt.
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My point is, isolationism works both ways.

Europe makes everything America does.

If America wants to pursue isolationist policies, don't be surprised if Europe starts buying more within Europe, instead of America.

(Isolationism is what the World had in the 1930s ... how did that work out for Peace?)
Really?

They cannot even make capable warships.

And they cannot feed themselves either.

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NATO's backbone is a treaty, and from what I have seen from France, UK, and Spain the past few weeks have been in breach of that treaty

Yes, NATO is supposed to be a partnership

BUT, if that's the case, why didn't Team trump approach all the NATO countries in advance, and build a willing coalition?

This whole Iran War was planned in secret, no NATO country was asked or consulted ahead of time, it was just presented by surprise as something already done and if you don't cooperate now, you're a traitor ... that's not very partnership-like

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Yes, NATO is supposed to be a partnership

BUT, if that's the case, why didn't Team trump approach all the NATO countries in advance, and build a willing coalition?

This whole Iran War was planned in secret, no NATO country was asked or consulted ahead of time, it was just presented by surprise as something already done and if you don't cooperate now, you're a traitor ... that's not very partnership-like

You never heard Ronald Reagan saying "Give me what I want or I'm burning the house down" ... just sayin'

Fair response, but I think this operation needed to have a special level of secrecy in the details.  But make no doubt about, the attack as a whole was not a well kept secret, and news of the build up has been on the news for weeks.  But there is an uneasy feeling among us now, that we can't trust Europe. 

But here is the difference this time versus previous.  Many of the leaders of Europe hate Trump, and if there was truly some form of cooperation in planning of the attack, how much could you really trust the POS' Starmer, Macron, and Sanchez.  Hell France and Spain are prohibiting us even using their air space.  How's that for NATO.

Reagan vs. Trump?  Both obsessive for America First, but different approach.
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how much could you really trust the POS' Starmer, Macron, and Sanchez.  Hell France and Spain are prohibiting us even using their air space.  How's that for NATO

That distrust is why America now finds itself fighting joined only by Israel.

And it didn't have to be that way. Team Trump came into office with guns ablazin', making enemies everywhere they could, especially with long-time friendly countries and allies. They chose to pick public fights, instead of settling differences behind quiet doors and away from the cameras. No petty squabble was too small to blow up!

Guess they figured they didn't have enough enemies already, they had to make more.

In future years, History books will be written about all the good will that Team Trump had in January 2025, and chose to squander.
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Starmer Says UK Will Seek Closer Ties With EU Amid Trump’s Critiques over Iran Response

British Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer attempted to use the conflict in Iran and the increasingly frayed relationship with the United States as justification for his long held agenda of reversing Brexit and realigning with the globalist European project.

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I am anticipating in tonight's speech Trump will dissolve our relationship with NATO.  It is worthless and costs us a fortune.

What good has it done us?? 
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Fair response, but I think this operation needed to have a special level of secrecy in the details.  But make no doubt about, the attack as a whole was not a well kept secret, and news of the build up has been on the news for weeks.  But there is an uneasy feeling among us now, that we can't trust Europe. 

But here is the difference this time versus previous.  Many of the leaders of Europe hate Trump, and if there was truly some form of cooperation in planning of the attack, how much could you really trust the POS' Starmer, Macron, and Sanchez.  Hell France and Spain are prohibiting us even using their air space.  How's that for NATO.

Reagan vs. Trump?  Both obsessive for America First, but different approach.

The heck with the Brits, France, and Spain.  Let them fight their own battles -- which at the rate they're going the Muslims will conquer their countries and then they will turn to the U.S. for help.  We can't afford to continue to help countries that stab us in the back.  Think of all the $$ and resources we will save.

I listened to Beck this morning regarding leaving NATO -- he brought up a good point; we first have to remove any and all nukes that we have in other countries.  That is a definite MUST in leaving NATO. 
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Same thing I first thought when I read the headline.

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"If the US is abandoning Europe, the UK will be that much more needed (and appreciated) in the EU..."

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The goal here is to BURY the EU, not to save it...

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NATO is a defensive alliance.
NATO invoked Article 5 after 9/11/ to help the US.

Yes, the Europeans are lazy soocialists who have benefitted greatly from Pax Americana, and treat Americans like backwoods cousins and chumps.

Culturally and politically, I want nothing to do with Europe.  My anscestors risked there lives to escape the Old World for a reason.

Economically, Europe discriminates against American companies and engages in protectionism.

Militarily we need to remain close to Europe to prevent them from F'ing up their Continent again, and drawing us into another war to "Defend Democracy".
In case you haven't noticed they have already done a good job of that. With their open borders and weak leaders. England is already over run with Islamofascists, Macron is leading France in the same direction.
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Yes, NATO is supposed to be a partnership

BUT, if that's the case, why didn't Team trump approach all the NATO countries in advance, and build a willing coalition?

This whole Iran War was planned in secret, no NATO country was asked or consulted ahead of time, it was just presented by surprise as something already done and if you don't cooperate now, you're a traitor ... that's not very partnership-like

You never heard Ronald Reagan saying "Give me what I want or I'm burning the house down" ... just sayin'
We can't trust Our own Senators nd Congressmen to keep their mouths shut. What makes you think the Muzzie mayor of London would keep his mouth shut?
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We can't trust Our own Senators nd Congressmen to keep their mouths shut. What makes you think the Muzzie mayor of London would keep his mouth shut?

Since when is the Mayor of London privy to top-secret NATO deliberations?
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Since when is the Mayor of London privy to top-secret NATO deliberations?
Several points:
1) Given Starmer's position on the situation in the Middle  east do you think it is possible he would go running to his Muzzie buddy with the intell?
2) Even is Starmer did keep his mouth shut (highly unlikely) there are numerous other MoP's that would share information about the buildup of troops and other signs of a planned assault.
3) Just how long would these "secret deliberations: remain secret, given the current reactions we have seen from the rest of the EU?   
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Several points:
1) Given Starmer's position on the situation in the Middle  east do you think it is possible he would go running to his Muzzie buddy with the intell?
2) Even is Starmer did keep his mouth shut (highly unlikely) there are numerous other MoP's that would share information about the buildup of troops and other signs of a planned assault.
3) Just how long would these "secret deliberations: remain secret, given the current reactions we have seen from the rest of the EU?   

Doesn’t answer the question. 
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And unless Congress goes along, the U.S. will not be withdrawing from NATO on Trumps sayso. 
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Doesn’t answer the question.
Sure it does, you just don't like the answer.
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Yes, NATO is supposed to be a partnership

BUT, if that's the case, why didn't Team trump approach all the NATO countries in advance, and build a willing coalition?

This whole Iran War was planned in secret, no NATO country was asked or consulted ahead of time, it was just presented by surprise as something already done and if you don't cooperate now, you're a traitor ... that's not very partnership-like

You never heard Ronald Reagan saying "Give me what I want or I'm burning the house down" ... just sayin'
With the amount of rank dhimmitude going on in the UK, and France, and Germany, for starters, who there would we be able to 'share' a plan with that would not leak it to Iran before the last of the suits left the meeting?

Trump did the right thing, despite movements telegraphing the punch, in maintaining operational security as much as possible.
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When this is over, the western part of NATO will never be the same. Spain, England, France and Italy have sold us out, as they too often have a history of doing. Eastern European nations are the heart of NATO. They spend money on defense, know how to fight and love the US.

France particularly deserves fault and blame. From supporting China and Russia at the UN to denying Americans overflight rights, they’re doing what they’ve always done - showing weakness, while cutting deals with terrorists. (The reason the US has a Marine Corps and Navy is unlike France, we refused to pay a ransom to the Barbary Pirates.  France is always happy to cut a deal.)

Wars have unintended consequences as nations show their true colors.

NATO will never be the same, and Western European weakness and acquiescence is the cause.
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My message here clearly struck a nerve. A few friends from when I was press secretary, domestically and abroad, don’t like what I said. Instead of seeing how Western European nations must change, they just want to attack Trump.

The reason it struck a nerve is because they recognize that this time NATO nations are being held to account. They know they’ve come up short for decades and by denying us overflight rights, they’ve gone too far. Americans are fed up, especially with France and Spain. Trump won’t stand for it and they know it. They now fear the consequences of their inaction.

The UK, unlike its days under Thatcher or Blair, is wishy-washy. They’ve often been a good allie, but this time they want to sit it out and have it both ways. We can use their bases, but only for limited operations. At least the UK spends real money on defense.

France, Spain, and Italy are another story. So too is Canada. None of these four contribute seriously to NATO. They’re laggards, trying to get away with it. Spain and France force our pilots to fly thousands of miles out of the way (I thought they didn’t like carbon footprints) en route to Iran.

Eastern Europe is a different story. They spend more on defense and they understand power. They lived under Soviet domination and recognize weakness when they see it. They won’t be weak.

Western European governments, especially France, are good at issuing communiques and statements. They enjoy hosting conferences. They love to ponder deeply. Getting them to act is another matter, unless it’s to purchase Russian LNG, which they still do.

The world is changing. Out of this war will come a new group of younger nations that understand real power and the importance of strength. The UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Eastern Europe will emerge stronger than ever. Western Europe will continue to fall behind.

As for Trump, you don’t have to like him. He often says things none of his predecessors would say.  But don’t underestimate the fact that US taxpayers are fed up with nations that don’t pull their weight, and then force our pilots to take risks and longer flights so we can rid the world from the menace that is Iran.

Today’s Western European leaders would rather mollify Iran and pay them ransoms (trade) than support the US. 

Things are different today. We all know it.

The UK, France, Spain and Italy (despite its Prime Minister) have earned the consequences that will unfold. They could have and should have supported us. Not as a NATO alliance. But as individual free nations.

All we wanted was overflight rights and full access to airfields.

They’ve made their choices. Soon, they’ll see the results.
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