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Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
November 25, 2025
By: Harrison Kass
 
The USS Gerald R. Ford is the most advanced aircraft carrier in the world—and has ample countermeasures to thwart any conceivable threat Venezuela’s mid-tier military could pose.
The Trump administration has deployed the USS Gerald R. Ford, the world’s most advanced aircraft carrier, to the Caribbean Sea in a show of force designed to impress Venezuela’s Maduro regime. The Ford’s presence immediately elevates the United States to the dominant power in the region, unrivaled in any meaningful capacity. But, that being said, it’s worth asking: is there any practical way that Venezuela could harm the $13 billion Ford?

The short—and long—answer is no. There is no weapon in Venezuela’s inventory that could reliably do damage to the Ford—and many weapons in the Ford’s inventory that could do the reverse.
 
Could Venezuela Destroy the Ford from the Air?
No, Venezuela could not destroy the Ford from the air.

Venezuela has one of South America’s more capable air forces—although, that’s a low bar. Currently, Venezuela fields a fleet of aging F-16A/Bs with forty year old tech, Su-30MK2 Flankers with 20-year old tech, limited AWACS or sensor support, and limited radar coverage over open water.
 
In practice, this means that Venezuela does not have the aerial ability to 1) find a carrier at sea reliably, 2) penetrate US fighter screens, and 3) survive against E-2D Hawkeyes, F/A-18s, and EA-18Gs. Any Venezuelan attempt to attack the Ford from the air would be detected from hundreds of miles away, intercepted long before entering

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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2025, 09:32:55 am »
Just like Ukraine didn't stand a chance against the Russian Military?  Overconfidence and smugness are the death knells of militaries. buh bye
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2025, 10:22:47 am »
Just like Ukraine didn't stand a chance against the Russian Military?  Overconfidence and smugness are the death knells of militaries. buh bye

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The USS Gerald R. Ford is the most advanced aircraft carrier in the world—and has ample countermeasures to thwart any conceivable threat Venezuela’s mid-tier military could pose.

Venezuela may come up with an inconceivable way...but I doubt it.
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2025, 10:34:06 am »
FTA:

Venezuela may come up with an inconceivable way...but I doubt it.

China would love an opportunity to test their anti-carrier weapons without being the one pulling the trigger...
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2025, 11:00:10 am »
Unless it trips on a reef and falls over.

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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2025, 11:02:21 am »
Unless it trips on a reef and falls over.

Reefer madness?
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2025, 12:55:49 pm »
Venezuela's air force currently has 21 Su-30s and may possibly have 3 1980s vintage F-16As still in service. It 16 helicopters are a mix of transport and utility (cargo & transport) types, plus another 12 or 13 trainers. The Su-30 is a fairly modern multi-role fighter.

USS Gerald R. Ford's air group, plus or minus a few helicopters from the accompanying DDGs, is larger than Venezuela's air force, and probably more capable. I think her pilots, crew, and task group know to respect a much less capable opponent.
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2025, 05:50:06 pm »
How much Venezuelan territory can the USS Gerald Ford occupy?
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2025, 06:42:19 pm »
Why would they need to?
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2025, 03:18:10 pm »
So conventional attacks won't cut it. (Good!)

It's the unconventional ones that are most dangerous.
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2025, 04:09:42 pm »
Why would they need to?

In a word: OIL
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2025, 04:59:15 pm »
In a word: OIL

Trump is working to make that less necessary by opening exploration and production inside the US. While Venezuela has fewer Enviro-obstructionists, Venezuela has also allowed its production infrastructure to deteriorate.
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2025, 05:03:01 pm »
Trump is working to make that less necessary by opening exploration and production inside the US. While Venezuela has fewer Enviro-obstructionists, Venezuela has also allowed its production infrastructure to deteriorate.

Preventing Russia or China from controlling that oil is also an issue here.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2025, 09:51:32 pm »
Preventing Russia or China from controlling that oil is also an issue here.
That is the main issue.

The US has to have foreign oil and will never be in a position otherwise during our lifetimes.

The last 100 years of history have seen the powerful are the ones who have access to cheap and plentiful oil.  And the US is not longer capable of supplying that.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2025, 10:00:49 pm »
That is the main issue.

The US has to have foreign oil and will never be in a position otherwise during our lifetimes.

The last 100 years of history have seen the powerful are the ones who have access to cheap and plentiful oil.  And the US is not longer capable of supplying that.

Well that is bullshit.  We are capable. 
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2025, 08:14:09 am »
I saw a video about the Ford (CVN - 78) last night.  I was aboard one of the first "supercarriers," USS Ranger (CV - 61) and the only real comparison between the two is they are both carriers.  The Ford is larger than was the Ranger but has some 2,000 fewer crew, which should give a hint as to the amount of advancement in technology the Navy allowed to be discussed and videoed.  Still, I remember the Ford was nearing completion before someone discovered no weapons elevators had been installed.  Elevators as an afterthought would make me nervous in a combat situation.
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2025, 08:52:39 am »
The last 100 years of history have seen the powerful are the ones who have access to cheap and plentiful oil

So then why aren't Kuwait, Qatar, and Indonesia world superpowers?
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2025, 09:04:56 am »
So then why aren't Kuwait, Qatar, and Indonesia world superpowers?
i did not say own.

I said ACCESS.

Japan, Germany and USA all wanted access.
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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2025, 09:06:12 am »
Well that is bullshit.  We are capable.
capable if we change our standard of living.

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2025, 11:10:58 am »
Well that is bullshit.  We are capable.

Agreed. We have boatloads of oil. What we lack is the will to extract it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2025, 12:05:39 pm »
Agreed. We have boatloads of oil. What we lack is the will to extract it.
This country no longer possesses the quantity of cheap oil needed to sustain it at the levels of prosperity to which we are accustomed.

To say otherwise belies the state of our resources.

It will be generations until such time we can wean ourselves from hydrocarbons, no matter how much Trump says otherwise.

In the meantime, we must continue to access foreign sources of crude and begin seriously to develop synthetic oil out of natural gas and coal, which we have aplenty.

I have been intimately involved in the domestic and foreign oil industry for over 50 years, and tasked with keeping up with worldwide resources.
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2025, 07:04:40 am »
This country no longer possesses the quantity of cheap oil needed to sustain it at the levels of prosperity to which we are accustomed.

To say otherwise belies the state of our resources.

It will be generations until such time we can wean ourselves from hydrocarbons, no matter how much Trump says otherwise.

In the meantime, we must continue to access foreign sources of crude and begin seriously to develop synthetic oil out of natural gas and coal, which we have aplenty.

I have been intimately involved in the domestic and foreign oil industry for over 50 years, and tasked with keeping up with worldwide resources.
Aging 'shale' fields tend to produce more gas as they age, in relation to the amount of oil. We are already seeing an increase in natural gas production in the Williston Basin (mainly Bakken/Three Forks).
The only way to sustain oil production, especially considering initial decline curves (about 80% decline from initial production in the first two years, leveling off afterwards to a much slower decline rate), is to keep drilling. That requires, despite advancements in oil tools and techniques, about $60/bbl oil to keep up.
There are limits to how efficient the process can be, and the people who do it aren't making huge money, just into six figures for 12 hour workdays, unpredictable schedules, and less than optimal working conditions. Considering secretaries on the coasts are making 80K to work in climate controlled environments for eight hours a day where the commute is more dangerous than the job and they get home every night, there is a point where these specialized and highly trained folks just won't leave the house. You can't expect more productivity, more precision, and cut pay (although a lot of benefits have already been slashed).
Savings by changing methodology have their limits, too. While 2 mile laterals were the norm, three and four mile horizontal wellbores are becoming more common, and I expect will become the 'new normal' where lease spacing permits. It allows twice the producing exposure of formations for the same costs in intermediate casing and cuts the 24 hours it takes to move the rig by half for the amount of producing formation exposure. A caveat: after three miles of lateral the incidence of going out of the target zone increases, and that necessitates pulling back and sidetracking the wellbore back into the target, which can take a minimum of 24 hours of rig time, and causes the effective loss of up to a mile of wellbore. It's a gamble, in that sense, putting a lot more on the folks geosteering the well, and if it pays off, fine. If not, it can cost as much as drilling two laterals, and we haven't even mentioned the other engineering complications that can accompany that longer wellbore.

I don't expect that onshore horizontal wells will drill our way to cheap oil, without leading to another bust/boom cycle with the usual price fluctuations. (Cheap gas today, followed by high prices later as oil falls into shorter supply and prices surge).
The bottom line is that I don't see oil getting cheaper without some sort of major fiscal reset causing the dollar to be worth much more, but  that motor fuels will be likely to consume a similar fraction of your budget to what they do today.
Beyond that, changing vehicles might be the only way to save.

I've been visiting relatives and getting some doctoring done back East, and the rental I'm driving gets three miles for the same amount of fuel my Suburban does back home (not that the car I'm driving here would get around where I need to back there). 
FWIW, my pay rate (day rate) is still the same dollar amount it was 10 years ago, so consider Bidenflation gave me a 20% pay cut.


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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2025, 10:18:32 am »
Aging 'shale' fields tend to produce more gas as they age, in relation to the amount of oil. We are already seeing an increase in natural gas production in the Williston Basin (mainly Bakken/Three Forks).
The only way to sustain oil production, especially considering initial decline curves (about 80% decline from initial production in the first two years, leveling off afterwards to a much slower decline rate), is to keep drilling. That requires, despite advancements in oil tools and techniques, about $60/bbl oil to keep up.
There are limits to how efficient the process can be, and the people who do it aren't making huge money, just into six figures for 12 hour workdays, unpredictable schedules, and less than optimal working conditions. Considering secretaries on the coasts are making 80K to work in climate controlled environments for eight hours a day where the commute is more dangerous than the job and they get home every night, there is a point where these specialized and highly trained folks just won't leave the house. You can't expect more productivity, more precision, and cut pay (although a lot of benefits have already been slashed).
Savings by changing methodology have their limits, too. While 2 mile laterals were the norm, three and four mile horizontal wellbores are becoming more common, and I expect will become the 'new normal' where lease spacing permits. It allows twice the producing exposure of formations for the same costs in intermediate casing and cuts the 24 hours it takes to move the rig by half for the amount of producing formation exposure. A caveat: after three miles of lateral the incidence of going out of the target zone increases, and that necessitates pulling back and sidetracking the wellbore back into the target, which can take a minimum of 24 hours of rig time, and causes the effective loss of up to a mile of wellbore. It's a gamble, in that sense, putting a lot more on the folks geosteering the well, and if it pays off, fine. If not, it can cost as much as drilling two laterals, and we haven't even mentioned the other engineering complications that can accompany that longer wellbore.

I don't expect that onshore horizontal wells will drill our way to cheap oil, without leading to another bust/boom cycle with the usual price fluctuations. (Cheap gas today, followed by high prices later as oil falls into shorter supply and prices surge).
The bottom line is that I don't see oil getting cheaper without some sort of major fiscal reset causing the dollar to be worth much more, but  that motor fuels will be likely to consume a similar fraction of your budget to what they do today.
Beyond that, changing vehicles might be the only way to save.

I've been visiting relatives and getting some doctoring done back East, and the rental I'm driving gets three miles for the same amount of fuel my Suburban does back home (not that the car I'm driving here would get around where I need to back there). 
FWIW, my pay rate (day rate) is still the same dollar amount it was 10 years ago, so consider Bidenflation gave me a 20% pay cut.
All true.

There is a testimony about fewer US resources when, in spite of some of the best commercial financial terms of any country in the world on exploiting resources, there appear fewer and fewer foreign firms willing to commit to doing so here in the US.

The primary reason we get any foreign firms here at all is to understand our technology we use to exploit hydrocarbons so as to use that technology in regions of the world that have more favorable places to go after oil and gas.
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2025, 10:42:20 am »
In a word: OIL

Venezuelan crude is nothing to fight over - its low grade molasses with a very high sulfur content. Very hard to refine, fit for making tar to pave roads, not for being used in vehicles, cosmetics, etc.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2025, 10:49:56 am »
Venezuelan crude is nothing to fight over - its low grade molasses with a very high sulfur content. Very hard to refine, fit for making tar to pave roads, not for being used in vehicles, cosmetics, etc.
True that it is low grade petroleum but untrue it is not worth fighting over.

Years ago when ME crude was cut off, access to higher quality crude was stifled.

This caused the majors to embark on a reconfiguration of domestic refineries to utilize low API crude.

Now many of these same refineries prefer this type of crude as it is lower prices and fit for these refineries.
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« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2025, 02:41:38 pm »
True that it is low grade petroleum but untrue it is not worth fighting over.

Years ago when ME crude was cut off, access to higher quality crude was stifled.

This caused the majors to embark on a reconfiguration of domestic refineries to utilize low API crude.

Now many of these same refineries prefer this type of crude as it is lower prices and fit for these refineries.
Canadian bitumen from the tar sands is similar, but with a lower sulfur content.

Still, the Venezuelans are sitting on the largest known low gravity crude (Heavy oil) reserves in the world.

The Keystone XL would have brought in ~800,000 BOPD of the Canadian Tar Sands crude, with some Bakken Oil to make it move down the pipe easier. The Gulf region refineries it was destined for were the ones which had already been refining the Orinoco Basin crude from Venezuela.
Quantity has a quality all its own, 1MMMM (one trillion) Barrels of that heavy crude, and IIRC, it can be cracked down to what you need.
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Re: Venezuela Doesn’t Stand a Chance Against the USS Gerald R. Ford
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2025, 03:55:47 pm »
If it floats, it can sink.

Most military aggressors believe their operation will be quick and decisive, and discount the possibility of a quagmire or a war of attrition.

Venezuela's oil is closer than Iraq's oil, and it does not have to transit the Strait of Hormuz nor the Suez Canal.

Whatever happened to supporting rebels instead of outright invasion and occupation?
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« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2025, 03:59:33 pm »
Canadian bitumen from the tar sands is similar, but with a lower sulfur content.

Still, the Venezuelans are sitting on the largest known low gravity crude (Heavy oil) reserves in the world.

The Keystone XL would have brought in ~800,000 BOPD of the Canadian Tar Sands crude, with some Bakken Oil to make it move down the pipe easier. The Gulf region refineries it was destined for were the ones which had already been refining the Orinoco Basin crude from Venezuela.
Quantity has a quality all its own, 1MMMM (one trillion) Barrels of that heavy crude, and IIRC, it can be cracked down to what you need.
Yeah, I think Americans would agree that importing our oil from our friends in Alberta, our 51st state, is preferable than from Venezuela.

That could potentially remove our need for foreign oil.
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