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The AI job cuts are here - or are they?
« on: October 30, 2025, 08:41:51 pm »
Of course AI is replacing workers and swallowing up jobs.  We've reached that point very quickly, so now how are those who have been replaced by AI going to survive?  Food stamps and Welfare???  Start a new career? Becoming educated in another field costs money and even at that there is no guarantee that that job won't be eaten by AI.

The AI job cuts are here - or are they?



Amazon's move this week to slash thousands of corporate jobs fed into a longstanding anxiety: that Artificial Intelligence is starting to replace workers.

The tech giant joined a growing list of companies in the US that have pointed to AI technology as a reason behind layoffs.

But some question whether AI is fully to blame - and have voiced scepticism that recent high-profile layoffs are a telling sign of the technology's effect on employment.

Chegg, the online education firm, cited the "new realities" of AI as it announced a 45% reduction in workforce on Monday. When Salesforce cut 4,000 customer service roles last month, its chief executive said AI agents were doing the work.

UPS said on Tuesday that it has cut 48,000 jobs since last year. The delivery company's chief executive previously linked redundancies, in part, to machine learning.

But extrapolating from executives' remarks during cuts is "possibly the worst way" to determine the effects of AI on jobs, said Martha Gimbel, executive director of the Budget Lab at Yale University.

Company-specific dynamics, she said, are often at play.

"There is a real tendency, because everyone is so freaked out about the possible impact of AI on the labour market moving forward, to overreact to individual company announcements," Ms Gimbel said.

Certain subsets of the workforce - recent college graduates and data centre employees, for example - in fact are particularly vulnerable to the technology's adoption....................

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Re: The AI job cuts are here - or are they?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2025, 10:25:59 pm »
AI is the new climate change hoax.  Maybe Greta can jump on this.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2025, 10:32:07 pm »
If you think customer service and product quality has become terrible, wait until AI gets its due.

I suspect a number of companies will be rolling these changes back as the consequences become apparent over time.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2025, 10:18:46 am »
If you think customer service and product quality has become terrible, wait until AI gets its due.

I suspect a number of companies will be rolling these changes back as the consequences become apparent over time.

Maybe yes, maybe no.  I don't eat fast food very often, but I have to say that I am a particular fan of the DIY ordering system that places like McDonald's have implemented - pushing the buttons myself generally results in a consistently more accurate order than the old-fashioned way of relaying it to some half brain-dead twit behind the counter, who then just pushes buttons.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2025, 10:56:48 am »
Maybe yes, maybe no.  I don't eat fast food very often, but I have to say that I am a particular fan of the DIY ordering system that places like McDonald's have implemented - pushing the buttons myself generally results in a consistently more accurate order than the old-fashioned way of relaying it to some half brain-dead twit behind the counter, who then just pushes buttons.

That has nothing to do with AI.
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2025, 12:15:09 pm »
That has nothing to do with AI.

It has to do with the replacement of human workers with automatons, whether styled as touchscreens or the luridly sexy "AI" moniker.  That is the commonality.  AI at this point is nothing more than a really complex guessing algorithm - there is no "intelligence" in AI except for the human-native intelligence of its designers.
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2025, 12:17:51 pm »
This time of year is Whacking Season with or without AI.  Companies clear their organizations of 'dead weight' towards the end of one year to start the next year with a clean financial slate.

AI is a tool and a means, not the end.  It is an attempt to increase the efficiency and productivity of decision making and knowledge acquisition or accretion.  Also to create wicked hot virtual computer girlfriends, entertainment, and manipulate human behavior.

The danger with AI costing American jobs is offshoring AI and bringing in foreign workers to do the jobs.

It should mean a rennaisance for American domestic energy until the next Dem President.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2025, 12:19:07 pm »
This time of year is Whacking Season with or without AI.  Companies clear their organizations of 'dead weight' towards the end of one year to start the next year with a clean financial slate.

AI is a tool and a means, not the end.  It is an attempt to increase the efficiency and productivity of decision making and knowledge acquisition or accretion.  Also to create wicked hot virtual computer girlfriends, entertainment, and manipulate human behavior.

The danger with AI costing American jobs is offshoring AI and bringing in foreign workers to do the jobs.

It should mean a rennaisance for American domestic energy until the next Dem President.

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2025, 03:59:30 pm »
It has to do with the replacement of human workers with automatons, whether styled as touchscreens or the luridly sexy "AI" moniker.  That is the commonality.  AI at this point is nothing more than a really complex guessing algorithm - there is no "intelligence" in AI except for the human-native intelligence of its designers.

Automated order entry has little to do with AI. AI is what is replacing people with write code, create documents and provide customer service for customer problems that simple hard logic automation can't handle. The transition is dumbing down all of it with poor results.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2025, 04:35:03 pm »
Automated order entry has little to do with AI. AI is what is replacing people with write code, create documents and provide customer service for customer problems that simple hard logic automation can't handle. The transition is dumbing down all of it with poor results.

AI isn't replacing most of those people.  Have you seen any code "written" by AI?  Insecure garbage that takes a human twice as long to go through and fix.

AI will replace people where it makes sense, which is much closer to the sort of ordering automation I mentioned and a lot less like the sky-is-falling bullshit scare stories people like to gin up.
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2025, 05:54:54 pm »
AI isn't replacing most of those people.  Have you seen any code "written" by AI?  Insecure garbage that takes a human twice as long to go through and fix.

AI will replace people where it makes sense, which is much closer to the sort of ordering automation I mentioned and a lot less like the sky-is-falling bullshit scare stories people like to gin up.

Do you know anyone in the software industry?

Yes, people are being replaced with AI. Many of these companies have the cart before the horse trying to claim to be leading edge technology. Catching the next technology wave... A hard reality is quickly approaching them.

AI generates tons of code and does a decent job for about 80% of it - it is the remaining 20% that often goes horribly wrong. Being almost right isn't being right. And it takes someone who actually knows what they're doing to straighten it out requiring considerable effort.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2025, 05:58:25 pm »
Do you know anyone in the software industry?

Yes, people are being replaced with AI. Many of these companies have the cart before the horse trying to claim to be leading edge technology. Catching the next technology wave... A hard reality is quickly approaching them.

AI generates tons of code and does a decent job for about 80% of it - it is the remaining 20% that often goes horribly wrong. Being almost right isn't being right. And it takes someone who actually knows what they're doing to straighten it out requiring considerable effort.

Ok Chief.  You do you.
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2025, 06:00:02 pm »
Ok Chief.  You do you.

I'm in the engineering/software industry.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2025, 06:24:29 pm »
I'm in the engineering/software industry.

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2025, 06:47:07 pm »
I'm in the engineering/software industry.

So you say.  I'm the president of the United States.
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2025, 07:04:11 pm »
So you say.  I'm the president of the United States.

I believe @DB because you sure the heck aren't Donald J. Trump!!!   :silly:
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2025, 08:14:07 pm »
I believe @DB because you sure the heck aren't Donald J. Trump!!!   :silly:

How do you know?
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2025, 08:23:03 pm »
So you say.  I'm the president of the United States.

What have I said that makes my claim suspect?

It is true. Been doing it for the last 40+ years.
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2025, 08:24:28 pm »
How do you know?

 :rolling: :rolling: You claiming to be the President of the United States is pretty funny actually.   :rolling:   Trying to make light of your claim is even funnier.   :rolling: :rolling:  :silly:

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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2025, 08:27:23 pm »
What have I said that makes my claim suspect?

It is true. Been doing it for the last 40+ years.

Think about it:  how can anyone verify the claim?  Of course I'm not the U.S. President - but if I make a less 'obvious' claim - such as that I've been chief IT officer for a legal software development firm for the last 25 years - how can you confirm or refute that claim?  If I then make an argument from my own authority, whose to say that I'm not correct, because obviously I must know what I'm talking about, if my claim to be a chief IT officer is simply to be accepted because I made it.

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2025, 08:38:01 pm »
Think about it:  how can anyone verify the claim?  Of course I'm not the U.S. President - but if I make a less 'obvious' claim - such as that I've been chief IT officer for a legal software development firm for the last 25 years - how can you confirm or refute that claim?  If I then make an argument from my own authority, whose to say that I'm not correct, because obviously I must know what I'm talking about, if my claim to be a chief IT officer is simply to be accepted because I made it.


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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2025, 08:54:02 pm »
Think about it:  how can anyone verify the claim?  Of course I'm not the U.S. President - but if I make a less 'obvious' claim - such as that I've been chief IT officer for a legal software development firm for the last 25 years - how can you confirm or refute that claim?  If I then make an argument from my own authority, whose to say that I'm not correct, because obviously I must know what I'm talking about, if my claim to be a chief IT officer is simply to be accepted because I made it.

First of all, I believe you're a lawyer. Is that not correct? So I'd be surprised if you were chief IT officer. While it is possible you are both - it would seem highly unlikely unless you're not a very good lawyer.

Second, if I figure out you are lying to me then your credibility is shot with me. And if that were the case I wouldn't engage you because it would be a waste of my time. No point debating with liars. Facts are irrelevant.

Third, I make mistakes but don't purposely lie. You haven't caught me in any lies, therefore I've not given you cause to believe I'm being dishonest with you. @Cyber Liberty  knows what I do.



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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2025, 09:15:21 pm »
@DB  and @Kamaji

Enjoy your back-and-forth regarding artificial intelligence

I haven’t decided if I should fear it or embrace it or maybe a little bit of both

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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2025, 09:22:54 pm »
@DB  and @Kamaji

Enjoy your back-and-forth regarding artificial intelligence

I haven’t decided if I should fear it or embrace it or maybe a little bit of both

I don't fear it, at least anytime soon. I just think a number of big tech players jumped off a cliff to be first and didn't think it through.

But when you consider where we were 25 years ago, in another 25 years things could be pretty scary.

True self-awareness is where the major line will be drawn. The next will be for it to be able to reproduce without any help...
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Re: The AI job cuts are here - or are they?
« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2025, 11:34:13 pm »
First of all, I believe you're a lawyer. Is that not correct? So I'd be surprised if you were chief IT officer. While it is possible you are both - it would seem highly unlikely unless you're not a very good lawyer.

Second, if I figure out you are lying to me then your credibility is shot with me. And if that were the case I wouldn't engage you because it would be a waste of my time. No point debating with liars. Facts are irrelevant.

Third, I make mistakes but don't purposely lie. You haven't caught me in any lies, therefore I've not given you cause to believe I'm being dishonest with you. @Cyber Liberty  knows what I do.

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