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Simon Kent 16 Sep 2025

The state terrorism charges against Luigi Mangione over the cold-blooded assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson were tossed Tuesday morning, but the judge kept the second-degree murder charges against the Ivy League graduate.

As Breitbart News reported, Mangione’s lawyers argued as expected that the New York City case and a parallel federal death penalty prosecution amounted to double jeopardy.

But Judge Gregory Carro rejected the argument, saying it would be premature to make such a determination.

The judge ruled to dismiss both terrorism charges — murder in the first degree in furtherance of an act of terrorism and murder in the second degree as a crime of terrorism — writing they were “legally insufficient.”

Mangione walked into Manhattan Criminal Court wearing a tan prison jumpsuit shortly before 9:30 a.m. for the hearing on several pre-trial motions. Dozens of members of the press packed the courtroom, as well as members of the public, CBS News reports.

AP reports in the judge’s written decision, he said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology. Carro wrote:

    While the defendant was clearly expressing an animus toward UHC, and the health care industry generally, it does not follow that his goal was to ‘intimidate and coerce a civilian population,’ and indeed, there was no evidence presented of such a goal.

Carro scheduled pretrial hearings in the case for Dec. 1, which is days before Mangione is next due in court in the federal case against him, the AP report states.

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It's first degree murder, pretty cut and dried. There really isn't any point to adding a terrorism charge. Sometimes we get carried away with the "enhancements." If this jackass is convicted and put away for life with no parole for at least 50 years, I'd be satisfied. Yes, I'd prefer the death penalty, but that won't happen.
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It's first degree murder, pretty cut and dried. There really isn't any point to adding a terrorism charge. Sometimes we get carried away with the "enhancements." If this jackass is convicted and put away for life with no parole for at least 50 years, I'd be satisfied. Yes, I'd prefer the death penalty, but that won't happen.

Agree.  Pre-meditated murder, life in prison ---- no need to muddy the waters and confuse a NY jury.

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It would easier to prosecute 'state terrorism' charges if they could prove that assassination was one act of a larger conspiracy.
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The domestic terrorism charge was always going to be difficult to advance, as the standard is difficult to meet:

18 U.S. Code § 2331 (sect. 5)
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The term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
     (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
     (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
     (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.

Federal charges for murder and stalking will be far easier to pursue, especially when we have the dirtbag committing the act on camera. And it does potentially carry the death penalty.

Hopefully, we can avoid jury nullification. Or stupidity. Or both. 
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From the article "the judge kept the second-degree murder charges". What does this mean? Are they going to have to recharge him with first degree murder?
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From the article "the judge kept the second-degree murder charges". What does this mean? Are they going to have to recharge him with first degree murder?
Yes, I don't understand why there isn't a 1st degree charge pending. Crazy.
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2nd degree murder?

There is sufficient forethought and malice to charge 1st degree murder.
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