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No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« on: August 05, 2025, 07:02:10 am »

No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
Story by Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY • 18h

WASHINGTON – The Army is swapping an icon – the 40-year-old Humvee – for a lighter, faster, cheaper truck designed for future battlefields.

The Infantry Squad Vehicle, more dune buggy than armored truck, is one of the most visible signs of the Army’s transition from Cold War-era equipment that has defined it for generations. The grinding insurgencies that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union demanded more and more armor to protect troops from roadside bombs.
 
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In their place: a range of vehicles and drones that can be fielded quickly, and, in many cases, with commercial, off-the-shelf technology.
 
"The Humvee is the quintessential G.I. Joe vehicle," said Alex Miller, the chief technical adviser to Army leadership for transforming its equipment. "It is the quintessential Army vehicle we've had in the inventory since 1985. So, 40 years of Humvee. It was good for what it was built for, which was high mobility at the time. It is not good for the fight we think we're going to be in."
 
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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2025, 07:13:09 am »
It's pretty much a dune buggy.  I don't have a lot of faith in the Army making the correct decision in these things any more.
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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2025, 11:14:11 am »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on August 05, 2025, 07:13:09 am
It's pretty much a dune buggy.  I don't have a lot of faith in the Army making the correct decision in these things any more.
I wonder how well they do in snow? (could be a mite chilly)
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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2025, 12:07:38 pm »
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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2025, 12:19:50 pm »
Quote from: 240B on August 05, 2025, 12:07:38 pm
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Heck, the Rat Patrol's Jeep has more metal on it than the new dune buggies.

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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2025, 01:25:24 pm »
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I always thought that was the iconic GI Joe vehicle. I guess with the new one they figure o just not give a shiite about protecting the soldiers from IED’ or much of anything else….but what the heck, they’re lighter and faster right?
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2025, 01:30:40 pm »
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Heck, the Rat Patrol's Jeep has more metal on it than the new dune buggies.


Thank goodness for those roll cages to stop bullets and bomb fragments. I seem to recall that Christopher George broke his back when one of the jeeps he was in rolled during one of their high speed maneuvers, I wonder how many soldiers will be injured in accidents because they drive these like dune buggies in the dunes.
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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2025, 01:37:23 pm »
The people who designed that must think it will never come under small arms fire. 
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2025, 01:46:29 pm »
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The people who designed that must think it will never come under small arms fire.
Seems a rather odd choice.  :shrug:
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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2025, 01:47:06 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 05, 2025, 01:37:23 pm
The people who designed that must think it will never come under small arms fire.

Or they may be listening to the majority of troops who want faster immediate escape from the vehicle. :shrug:
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Re: No more GI Joe trucks: Army swaps iconic Humvee for a faster, cheaper vehicle
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2025, 01:47:38 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on August 05, 2025, 01:37:23 pm
The people who designed that must think it will never come under small arms fire.

And I fail to see how they will protect the troops aboard from incoming drones...no armor, no cover, and not enough speed to outrun them.
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« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2025, 02:21:31 pm »
Every mission has different parameters, different conditions, and different needs. The one-size-fits-all Humvee is not suited to everything. Fast, mobile, agility is sometimes the call. These will be used as the need arises. Better to have it and not need it.
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2025, 04:06:59 pm »
I have to wonder if this really isn't one of Biden's green military innovations to reduce gas consumption by reducing the amount of metal and making it lighter.  It's design almost had to be in the Biden era. :pondering:
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2025, 04:49:33 pm »
Looking at that pic above, methinks they had better go back to the drawing board and come up with something enclosed and more protective of the occupants inside.

And do so quickly.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2025, 05:23:03 pm »
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I have to wonder if this really isn't one of Biden's green military innovations to reduce gas consumption by reducing the amount of metal and making it lighter.  It's design almost had to be in the Biden era. :pondering:

You may be right!!!  That makes perfect sense.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2025, 05:54:13 pm »
If they want something lightweight, they should look around for some of these:
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2025, 07:06:21 pm »
I like it. And speaking from experience, making tins that bolt onto that cage is a simple thing - Then you just put on the tins you need - insulated for hot or cold, etc... Armored would be a nuther thing - the tins wouldn't be the trouble, but axles and springs made to take that armored weight... Though mebbe they have kevlar tins nowadays...  :shrug:
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