Jeffrey Epstein Hoax

[MeganC]

The ignorance of the law here is pretty stunning.  Read why most of the documents cannot be released:

Hold up a minute. This isn't about withholding documents for a grand jury. We are being told there will be no grand jury! We are being told to forget about it! And we are being insulted because we will not forget about it!

[MeganC]

WHERE IS THE EPSTEIN CLIENT LIST?????

[Bigun]

Hold up a minute. This isn't about withholding documents for a grand jury. We are being told there will be no grand jury! We are being told to forget about it! And we are being insulted because we will not forget about it!

No! We are being told that we can never know what is or isn't before a grand jury and that is EXACTLY how it should be.

[NavyCanDo]

Trumps mishandling of this has been epic.
Trump should just keep his pie hole shut, and let  Karoline Leavitt answer the questions. She does an excellent job. Every time he post something or says something on the Epstein case, he just makes things worse for himself.   It’s because of him is why some of his own base is starting to think, maybe he is on the list.

[Bigun]

Trumps mishandling of this has been epic.
Trump should just keep his pie hole shut, and let  Karoline Leavitt answer the questions. She does an excellent job. Every time he post something or says something on the Epstein case, he just makes things worse for himself.   It’s because of him is why some of his own base is starting to think, maybe he is on the list.

  Exactly! 

Trump is very prone to getting caught up in the moment and saying things he shouldn't. It gives me no pleasure to say it but it's true.

[berdie]

I agree.

This, to me, is why a list should not be released. It will be an automatic assumption of guilt for everyone on that list. He!!, maybe it's just his barber. Usually, once a person is accused of pedophilia they are automatically guilty. Even after proof of innocence is there...they are still guilty. Forever.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You all need to watch this:  https://t.co/AnxLsmjgus

This ⬆️ is from late 2024 and is the sum total of Trump "campaigning on the Epstein files".    104 rallies, dozens of separate speeches, dozens and dozens of other interviews without the mention of Epstein.  You know why this was?  Trump did not campaign on Jeffrey Epstein.

And, I repeat, Trump is not not saying the Epstein operation is a hoax.  Trump is saying the current unhinged OBSESSION with Epstein is the hoax, and it’s designed to distract you, derail Trump’s support, and sow doubt within our ranks.  He's further saying he knows who the obsessed are.

[Lando Lincoln]

Trumps mishandling of this has been epic.
Trump should just keep his pie hole shut, and let  Karoline Leavitt answer the questions. She does an excellent job. Every time he post something or says something on the Epstein case, he just makes things worse for himself.   It’s because of him is why some of his own base is starting to think, maybe he is on the list.

To my way of thinking, it is exceedingly unlikely that Trump is on the list. His enemies (including the Biden Administration) sought every way imaginable to destroy him. If he is on the list, evidence would have been breathlessly placed front and center before now.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No! We are being told that we can never know what is or isn't before a grand jury and that is EXACTLY how it should be.

 

[MeganC]

This, to me, is why a list should not be released. It will be an automatic assumption of guilt for everyone on that list. He!!, maybe it's just his barber. Usually, once a person is accused of pedophilia they are automatically guilty. Even after proof of innocence is there...they are still guilty. Forever.

Sorry but that argument died when the US participated in prosecuting the guys who delivered supplies and mail to the German concentration camps.

So if someone went to one of Epstein's estates, worked there, delivered supplies, delivered mail, diddled children on video, flew on his planes, arranged flights for victims of rape and molestation, etc. Then we need to know their names.

Just as we were promised: Full transparency.

And if there is going to be a grand jury investigation then get on with it!

[berdie]

Sorry but that argument died when the US participated in prosecuting the guys who delivered supplies and mail to the German concentration camps.

So if someone went to one of Epstein's estates, worked there, delivered supplies, delivered mail, diddled children on video, flew on his planes, arranged flights for victims of rape and molestation, etc. Then we need to know their names.

Just as we were promised: Full transparency.

And if there is going to be a grand jury investigation then get on with it!

I had no knowledge about the people delivering supplies, mail, etc to concentration camps. I'll take some time to research it, not that I doubt you.

But there is, in my mind a difference. Just going to some rich guy's estate is different than going to a concentration camp. Man, would I hate to have been his mail deliverer under your criteria.

[corbe]

   Still waiting, for 9+ years for Trump to explain what happened to Seal Team 6.  He campaigned in 2016 that he'd get to the bottom of what hidin biden and crooked hillary tried to cover up.

[Smokin Joe]

I agree.

Yep. Bad optics, and pretty tone deaf. Many will see it as the only reason the data isn't being made available.

[Right_in_Virginia]

From today's press briefing ...

https://youtu.be/eofD4ZPwchw?si=KoJQK6bqXaQegO7o

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yep. Bad optics, and pretty tone deaf. Many will see it as the only reason the data isn't being made available.

Nope.   

[Bigun]

To my way of thinking, it is exceedingly unlikely that Trump is on the list. His enemies (including the Biden Administration) sought every way imaginable to destroy him. If he is on the list, evidence would have been breathlessly placed front and center before now.

  Even if they had to manufacture any such "evidence".

[roamer_1]

To my way of thinking, it is exceedingly unlikely that Trump is on the list. His enemies (including the Biden Administration) sought every way imaginable to destroy him. If he is on the list, evidence would have been breathlessly placed front and center before now.

Not necessarily. The thing about fight club is that nobody talks about fight club. 

[DCPatriot]

Not necessarily. The thing about fight club is that nobody talks about fight club. 

LOL!  Only in your demented TDS brain, @roamer_1

If there was anything there, they'd have used it.  Now??  Because the Dems put them on ice for 4 years, the evidence can't be trusted.

I'm hoping he pardons Ghislaine Maxwell.  Let HER be the catalyst to satiate one's Pruient instincts.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

WHERE IS THE EPSTEIN CLIENT LIST?????

Never to be known, unfortunately.

Anything called such now released will be thought scrubbed of certain people, and will not be trustworthy.

And that is the end game here.

[mountaineer]

Trump and Bondi have announced that relevant grand jury evidence will be released, subject to court approval.

[libertybele]

Hoax? No.  Trump said that the Epstein 'FILES' would be released.  Pam Bondi said that she had the 'FILES' on her desk.

Somewhere in those files are names; perhaps not a 'LIST' but names within those files that were supposed to be released.

Now Trump is leaving it up to Bondi to release the 'files' that she thinks are credible.  Again 'files' not list.

Perhaps not a big difference, but certainly semantics are in play.

I think it is doubtful that Trump's name is in those files, but perhaps members of the GOP who would lose their seats in the mid terms are included in those files .... OR ... maybe he's decided to hold back on those files right before the midterms and then watch  the DEMS lose their seats.  Checkmate. ??

[corbe]

[Lando Lincoln]

Not necessarily. The thing about fight club is that nobody talks about fight club. 

In this case, exceedingly unlikely.

[MeganC]

Hoax? No.  Trump said that the Epstein 'FILES' would be released.  Pam Bondi said that she had the 'FILES' on her desk.

Somewhere in those files are names; perhaps not a 'LIST' but names within those files that were supposed to be released.

Now Trump is leaving it up to Bondi to release the 'files' that she thinks are credible.  Again 'files' not list.

Perhaps not a big difference, but certainly semantics are in play.

I think it is doubtful that Trump's name is in those files, but perhaps members of the GOP who would lose their seats in the mid terms are included in those files .... OR ... maybe he's decided to hold back on those files right before the midterms and then watch  the DEMS lose their seats.  Checkmate. ??

Bondi said the LIST was on her desk.

https://fortune.com/2025/07/08/doj-theory-promoted-ag-pam-bondi-epstein-client-list-no-exist/

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump and Bondi have announced that relevant grand jury evidence will be released, subject to court approval.

"Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval," Mr. Trump wrote in a post on Truth Social. "This SCAM, perpetuated by the Democrats, should end, right now!"

Bondi wrote in a post on X minutes later, "we are ready to move the court tomorrow to unseal the grand jury transcripts."

A judge will need to make the final decision on whether material can be released, which could take some time and is unlikely to be immediate.

It's unclear what material the Trump administration will ask to be released. It's not clear how much of the Epstein-related material in the government's possession is grand jury testimony.

The government is required to keep grand jury materials secret, and it's common for not all material that is shown to a grand jury — which meets before a person is criminally indicted — to emerge during a criminal case.

A request of this kind by the government is unusual, says Mitchell Epner, a partner at the New York law firm Kudman Trachten Aloe Posner, and a former federal prosecutor.

"I've been in and around federal criminal cases for over 30 years. I've never heard of this before," he told CBS News.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-orders-bondi-to-release-jeffrey-epstein-related-grand-jury-testimony/

The indictment ---

Jeffrey Epstein was indicted by a New York grand jury in 2019 on charges of sex trafficking of minors and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking of minors.

Specifically, the indictment alleged that from 2002 to 2005 Epstein allegedly worked with several employees and associates to ensure that he had a steady supply of minor victims to abuse, and paid several of those victims themselves to recruit other underage girls to engage in similar sex acts for money.  Epstein enticed and recruited dozens of minor girls to his residences in Manhattan, New York, and Palm Beach, Florida, to engage in sex acts with him in exchange for money. He was also accused of paying certain victims to recruit additional girls for the purpose of sexual exploitation.

Epstein's arrest in New York came after a prior plea deal in Florida that allowed him to avoid federal charges and serve a reduced sentence on state charges related to prostitution. This lenient agreement drew considerable criticism, and the subsequent New York indictment aimed to address the more serious federal offenses of sex trafficking. However, Epstein died by suicide in his Manhattan jail cell before facing trial on these charges.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/jeffrey-epstein-charged-manhattan-federal-court-sex-trafficking-minors

[Smokin Joe]

Nope.   

well, no one here has accused you of being "many".