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MLB removes Pete Rose, other banned players from permanently ineligible list
17 players are now eligible after a new ruling from Rob Manfred
 By Ryan Morik Fox News
Published May 13, 2025 4:17pm EDT

Efforts to get Pete Rose into Cooperstown took a step forward Tuesday.

Rose, MLB's all-time hit king who was ousted for gambling, was removed from Major League Baseball's permanently ineligible list after MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred announced players' ineligibility from the game ends upon their deaths.

"Obviously, a person no longer with us cannot represent a threat to the integrity of the game," Manfred wrote in a letter, obtained by ESPN, to attorney Jeffrey M. Lenkov.

"Moreover, it is hard to conceive of a penalty that has more deterrent effect than one that lasts a lifetime with no reprieve. Therefore, I have concluded that permanent ineligibility ends upon the passing of the disciplined individual, and Mr. Rose will be removed from the permanently ineligible list."

"Major League Baseball didn’t have the courage or decency to put the late, great, Pete Rose, also known as ‘Charlie Hustle,’ into the Baseball Hall of fame. Now he is dead, will never experience the thrill of being selected, even though he was a FAR BETTER PLAYER than most of those who made it, and can only be named posthumously. WHAT A SHAME!" Trump posted.

"Anyway, over the next few weeks I will be signing a complete PARDON of Pete Rose, who shouldn’t have been gambling on baseball, but only bet on HIS TEAM WINNING. He never betted against himself, or the other team. He had the most hits, by far, in baseball history, and won more games than anyone in sports history. Baseball, which is dying all over the place, should get off its fat, lazy a--, and elect Pete Rose, even though far too late, into the Baseball Hall of Fame!"

Trump and Manfred met last month.

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Good. I met Pete Rose in Las Vegas in 2020 and he was nothing but nice. I understand this could not happen while he was alive but it would be dishonest to try to erase his accomplishments.
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I guess it doesn’t matter much except to baseball romantics. Rose’s on-field accomplishments are impossible to ignore nor are his knowing and willful rules violations. His HOF induction, when it happens, will be interesting.
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Pete Rose sucks.  He doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1sm1rOUfTg
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Pete Rose sucks.  He doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1sm1rOUfTg

I agree - I have never wanted him in the HOF. Now?  Maybe for his game accomplishments but his plaque should reference his banning. I always come down to the fact he knowingly and willfully violated the rules on gambling.
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I always come down to the fact he knowingly and willfully violated the rules on gambling.

And continued to lie about it for years.
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Pete Rose sucks.  He doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.


You've got to be kidding me! One of the greatest players to ever play the game doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame? Unbelievable! Put whatever notations you like on the plaque but let him in!
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Pete Rose is not "one of the greatest players to ever play the game".
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Pete Rose
AVG  -  .303
HR    -  160
RBI   - 1314
SB    -  198
SLG  -  .409

Manny Ramirez
AVG  -  .312
HR    -  555
RBI  - 1831
SB    -    38
SLG  -  .585



Give me Manny Ramirez any day of the week.
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He’s not the most valuable by today’s standards, but there are 351 in the HOF and he’s in the top 1/5th of that group.  They paid more attention to batting average when he played.  He would be asked to adjust his “launch angle” or whatever today, and I bet his comparative stats would improve.

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Pete Rose is not "one of the greatest players to ever play the game".

He is certainly among the most accomplished.  4,256 hits, over 400 wins as a manager, 939 games played at first base, 628 games at second base, 634 games at third base, 673 games at left field, 73 games at center field, and 590 games played at right field.

Accomplished.

Edit to add: But, is he worthy of baseball’s highest honor?  Not in my world.
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Good. I met Pete Rose in Las Vegas in 2020 and he was nothing but nice.

I met Pete Rose down on the field in Cincinnati, and he was a total jerk.  Could not have been less friendly if he tried.  I suppose a girl in a skirt might put a smile on his face, but as guests on his home field, he was aloof and cold.

If they allow him into Copperstown, it will have many folks losing interest in MLB.  It makes a mockery of the sport to allow him in.  MLB has rules for a reason.  I don't care if he is dead, he is the perfect example of why folks should not get recognition when they betray what they represent.

Should we begin honoring Benedict Arnold too?  He was a true patriot, funding the revolutionary side of the war before he fled to the British.  No, I think not.  Same for Rose.

I saw him play many games live, and he was good.  But his gambling tarnished him permanently for me.

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The real reason that MLB did it is because MLB has jumped into bed with the casinos and their flashy betting apps, and it looks entirely hypocritical for it to keep players like Joe and Pete ineligible for gambling (Joe didn't but Pete did).
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I met Pete Rose down on the field in Cincinnati, and he was a total jerk.  Could not have been less friendly if he tried.  I suppose a girl in a skirt might put a smile on his face, but as guests on his home field, he was aloof and cold.

If they allow him into Copperstown, it will have many folks losing interest in MLB.  It makes a mockery of the sport to allow him in.  MLB has rules for a reason.  I don't care if he is dead, he is the perfect example of why folks should not get recognition when they betray what they represent.

Should we begin honoring Benedict Arnold too?  He was a true patriot, funding the revolutionary side of the war before he fled to the British.  No, I think not.  Same for Rose.

I saw him play many games live, and he was good.  But his gambling tarnished him permanently for me.

Well, it was a cocktail dress.  wink777
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I agree - I have never wanted him in the HOF. Now?  Maybe for his game accomplishments but his plaque should reference his banning. I always come down to the fact he knowingly and willfully violated the rules on gambling.

I like this compromise.  Let him in for his accomplishments, but make sure his integrity issues are front and center.

The real reason that MLB did it is because MLB has jumped into bed with the casinos and their flashy betting apps, and it looks entirely hypocritical for it to keep players like Joe and Pete ineligible for gambling (Joe didn't but Pete did).

True story.  Anybody want to bet (!) that his HOF induction is sponsored by DraftKings and/or FanDuel?
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Pete Rose was one of the biggest stars in baseball in the mid 1970s - mid 1980s.

Good Ol' Charlie Hustle deserves to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame.

After their playing careers are over, many competitive professional athletes turn to gambling to get the adrenalin fix they used to get from playing.  They miss the 'action' of competition.
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I like this compromise.  Let him in for his accomplishments, but make sure his integrity issues are front and center.

True story.  Anybody want to bet (!) that his HOF induction is sponsored by DraftKings and/or FanDuel?

 :amen: To both!
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Total BS!

He knowingly and willingly broke the rules on betting on baseball games.

How long before an active HOF candidate stands in the box and purposefully strikes out "looking" in a game deciding AB?

Country is going to hell!  Menendez brothers who slaughtered their parents in COLD BLOOD get their life sentences reduced...MLB Commissioner unilaterally absolves Pete Rose of his betting while managing from a dugout.

Did I say "Total BS"??
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I'm divided on this.

But I see, once again, Trump has to spout off on something having zero to do with politics and knowing virtually nothing about the sport.

Just as he did with the Derby DQ.  He knows squat.  Shut up.

Does he have time to actually deal with the important stuff of the country, given his endless tapping on his mini computer?
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Anybody want to bet (!) that his HOF induction is sponsored by DraftKings and/or FanDuel?

Pete Rose would.
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I met Pete Rose down on the field in Cincinnati, and he was a total jerk.  Could not have been less friendly if he tried.  I suppose a girl in a skirt might put a smile on his face, but as guests on his home field, he was aloof and cold.

Pete Rose cared about only one thing.  Pete Rose.  He was a major douche-nozzle.


It makes a mockery of the sport to allow him in.  MLB has rules for a reason.  I don't care if he is dead, he is the perfect example of why folks should not get recognition when they betray what they represent.

Word.


I saw him play many games live, and he was good.  But his gambling tarnished him permanently for me.

Being a conceited pr*ck is what tarnished him permanently for me.  The Gene Garber clip upthread is a perfect example.  In 1978, Pete Rose was chasing the NL title for consecutive games with a hit.  On the last day of July, the Reds faced Phil Niekro and the Atlanta Braves.  Rose was one game short of tying the NL record.  But Rose was only hitting .154 that year against the knuckle-baller.  Niekro had held him hitless through four plate appearances.  In Rose's last at bat, the knuckle-baller served him up a rare fast ball (if you could call it that) right down the middle of the plate.  Rose pushed it just out of reach of the second baseman for a single, tying the NL record for consecutive games with a hit.  Phil Niekro didn't have to do that.  But he wanted to see Rose break the record.  So he gave him an easy pitch to hit.  It would be one of only two hits that Niekro gave up to Rose the entire season.

The following night, rookie Larry McWilliams took the mound for the Braves.  Rose again went hitless in his first four plate appearances.  In the ninth inning Rose got one more chance, facing Braves reliever Gene Garber for the second time.  Watch the video and see Garber strike Rose out to end the streak.  After the game, Rose blasted Garber and the rookie McWilliams for not challenging him with fastballs.  Garber had struck him out with a changeup (which btw was faster than the fastball that Niekro threw the night before).  When a reporter repeated Rose's comments to Garber, he responded, "I don't get paid to throw fastballs."

Anyway, Pete Rose was a classless schmuck.  He wasn't a team player.  Everything was all about him, him, him.  Frankly, Garber could have thrown the ball over the backstop, and Rose still would have swung at it, because all that mattered to him was his own fame and glory.

And then there's the gambling.  Rose had countless opportunities to come clean after his career ended, but he held firm to his lies.  It was only after a possible HoF vote was dangled in front of him did he finally admit what everyone else already knew - that he had bet on baseball games.  But in his confession after decades of lying, he immediately qualified it by saying he never bet against his own team, only betting for it.  Yeah, right.  And no repentance.  None.

If you really want to know his true nature when it comes to gambling, then just look where he was the day he died.  Las Vegas.
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Total BS!

He knowingly and willingly broke the rules on betting on baseball games.

Not just broke the rules, but rules that were posted on a sign that every player had to pass to enter the field from the clubhouse - a sign that Pete Rose viewed over 4,000 times.  And for fifteen years, he lied about it.  Let that sink in.  Fifteen years.  Even Lance Armstrong didn't go that long before coming clean.

Pete Rose belongs in Baseball's Hall of Disgrace.  They should make one just for him.
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Here's the Rose/Giamatti agreement from 1989:



OFFICE OF THE COMMISSIONER
                        OF BASEBALL
                      350 PARK AVENUE
                    NEW YORK, NEW YORK


________________________________________
                                        )
In the Matter of:                       )
                                        )
Peter Edward Rose, Manager              )
Cincinnati Reds Baseball Club           )
________________________________________)



                 AGREEMENT AND RESOLUTION

     On March 6, 1989, the Commissioner of Baseball instituted
an investigation of Peter Edward Rose, the field manager of the
Cincinnati Reds Baseball Club, concerning allegations that Peter
Edward Rose engaged in conduct not in the best interests of
baseball in violation of Major League Rule 21, including but not
limited to betting on Major League Baseball games in connection
with which he had a duty to perform.

     The Commissioner engaged a special counsel to conduct a full,
fair and confidential inquiry of the allegations against Peter
Edward Rose.  Peter Edward Rose was given notice of the allegations
and he and his counsel were generally apprised of the nature and
progress of the investigation.  During the inquiry, Peter Edward
Rose produced documents, gave handwriting exemplars and responded
to questions under oath upon oral deposition.  During the deposition,
the special counsel revealed key evidence gathered in the inquiry
to Peter Edward Rose and his counsel.

     On May 9, 1989, the special counsel provided a 225-page
report, accompanied by seven volumes of exhibits, to the
Commissioner.  On May 11, 1989 the Commissioner provided a copy
of the Report to Peter Edward Rose and his counsel, and scheduled
a hearing on May 25, 1989 to give Peter Edward Rose an opportunity
to respond formally to the information in the report.  Peter Edward
Rose received, read and is aware of the contents of the Report.
On May 19, 1989, Peter Edward Rose requested, and subsequently
received, an extension of the hearing date until June 26, 1989.
Peter Edward Rose acknowledges that the Commissioner has treated
him fairly in this Agreement and has acted in good faith throughout
the course of the investigation and proceedings.

     Peter Edward Rose will conclude these proceedings before the
Commissioner without a hearing and the Commissioner will not make
any formal findings or determinations on any matter including
without limitation the allegation that Peter Edward Rose bet on
any Major League Baseball game.  The Commissioner has determined
that the best interests of Baseball are served by a resolution
of this matter on the following agreed upon terms and conditions:

     1. Peter Edward Rose recognizes, agrees and submits to the
sole and exclusive jurisdiction of the Commissioner:

     A. To investigate, either upon complain or upon his own
initiative, any act, transaction or practice charged, alleged or
suspected to be not in the best interests of the national game of
Baseball; and

     B. To determine, after investigation, what preventive,
remedial, or punitive action is appropriate in the premises, and to
take such action as the case may be.

     2. Counsel for Peter Edward Rose, upon his authority, have
executed a stipulation dismissing with prejudice the civil action
that was originally filed in the Court of Common Pleas, Hamitlon
County, Ohio, captioned Peter Edward Rose v. A. Bartlett Giamatti,
No. A8905178, and subsequently removed to the United States District
Court from the Southern District of Ohio, Eastern Division, Docket
No. C-2-89-577.

     3. Peter Edward Rose will not avail himself of the opportunity
to participate in a hearing concerning the allegations against him,
or otherwise offer any defense to those allegations.

     4. Peter Edward Rose acknowledges that the Commissioner has a
factual basis to impose the penalty provided herein, and hereby
accepts the penalty imposed on him by the Commissioner and agrees
not to challenge that penalty in court or otherwise.
  He also agrees
he will not institute any legal proceedings of any nature against the
Commissioner of any of his representatives, either Major League or
any Major League Club.

     5. The commissioner recognizes and agrees that it is in the
best interests of the national game of Baseball that this matter
be resolved pursuant to his sole and exclusive authority under
the Major League Agreement.

     THEREFORE, the Commissioner, recognizing the benefits to
Baseball from a resolution of this matter, orders and directs
that Peter Edward Rose be subject to the following disciplinary
sanctions, and Peter Edward Rose, recognizing the sole and exclusive
authority of the Commissioner and that it is in his interest to
resolve this matter without further proceedings, agrees to accept
the following disciplinary sanctions imposed by the Commissioner.

     a. Peter Edward Rose is hereby declared permanently ineligible
in accordance with Major League Rule 21 and placed on the Ineligible
List.


     b. Nothing in this Agreement shall deprive Peter Edward Rose of
the rights under Major League Rule 15(c) to apply for reinstatement.
Peter Edward Rose agrees not to challenge, appeal or otherwise
contest the decision of, or the procedure employed by, the
Commissioner or any future Commissioner in the evaluation of any
application for reinstatement.

     c. Nothing in this agreement shall be deemed either an
admission or a denial by Peter Edward Rose of the allegation
that he bet on any Major League Baseball game.

     Neither the Commissioner nor Peter Edward Rose shall be
prevented by this agreement from making any public statement
relating to this matter so long as no such public statement
contradicts the terms of this agreement and resolution.

     This document contains the entire agreement of the
parties and represents the entire resolution of the matter of
Peter Edward Rose before the Commissioner.


Agreed to and resolved this 23rd day of August 1989,

(signed)                         (signed)
Peter Edward Rose                A. Bartlett Giamatti
                                 Commissioner of Baseball

Witnessed by:                    Witnessed by:
(signed)                         (signed)
Reuven K. Katz, Esquire          (Fay Vincent Jr.)
Katz, Teller, Brant & Hild

https://web.archive.org/web/20150630114625/http://seanlahman.com/files/rose/agreement.html



Pete Rose was presented evidence against him.  And based on that evidence, he agreed to the terms above.  He signed the dotted line.  "Permanently ineligible".
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Pete Rose cared about only one thing.  Pete Rose.  He was a major douche-nozzle.

What you said is true.  I've seen plenty of interviews and fan interactions over the years in which he's been a first class jerk.  Johnny Bench is 100% correct above, and he's someone I admire and respect.

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If you really want to know his true nature when it comes to gambling, then just look where he was the day he died.  Las Vegas.

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He was a major douche-nozzle.

I don't know why this is an insult.

A douche nozzle is a pretty useful thing, it does a sometimes dirty and necessary job, and when you need one there's no substitute for it.
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