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Offline rangerrebew

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Immigrants and Radicals Have the Same Free Speech Rights as Everyone Else
Campus protests against Israel have revived debates over the limits of First Amendment protections.
J.D. Tuccille | 5.2.2025 7:00 AM
 
Can foreigners legally residing in the United States be tossed out of the country for engaging in controversial or even vile speech? Court cases suggest the answer is "no" and uphold the idea that free speech is a right adhering not only to Americans but also to those just visiting. On Tuesday, a federal judge in Massachusetts allowed a lawsuit against the Trump administration's deportation proceedings aimed at noncitizen anti-Israel college radicals to proceed on the grounds that the government is targeting protected speech in such a way that it chills the willingness of foreign university students and faculty at schools in this country to speak out about controversial issues.



Deportations Have a 'Chilling' Effect
Unlike some of the cases that have gone to court (such as that of Mohsen Mahdawi, whose release was ordered by a federal judge on Wednesday) American Association of University Professors v. Rubio doesn't revolve around the conduct of a particular individual. That means there's no grounds to debate whether a given graduate student or professor was engaged in speech alone or if that person crossed over into illegal conduct or support of a terrorist organization. In some cases, such as that of Rümeysa Öztürk, the government has alleged nothing beyond controversial speech. Instead, this case was brought by the American Association of University Professors, that organization's Harvard and New York University chapters, and the Middle East Studies Association alleging the "chilling" of noncitizen members' activities by federal policy.

In their lawsuit against the Trump administration's deportation policies, the plaintiffs allege that members of their organization "have, variously, taken down social media posts and previously published writing and scholarship, stopped assigning material about Palestine in class, withdrawn from a conference presentation, ceased traveling abroad for conferences, ceased engaging in political protest and assembly in which they previously participated, ceased teaching a course they previously taught, and foregone opportunities to write and speak at public events," among other abandoned activities out of fear that they might be targeted for deportation.

https://reason.com/2025/05/02/immigrants-and-radicals-have-the-same-free-speech-rights-as-everyone-else/
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What a pile of bullsh*t this article is.  Yes, they have the same right to free speech but may have different consequences.  Threatening to kill the president is free speech but will bring more consequences than saying you don't like the president.  Hate speech is not free speech.  Giving a speech on how to make homemade bombs isn't likely to go unnoticed.  Yelling fire  in a theater when there is no fire will also get a person noticed.  Speech is free, consequences may not be.
The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth.  George Washington - Farewell Address

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Acts or not speech.  If someone is an illegal border crosser, their presence in America is a crime.  They should be deported for the act of violating American immigration law.

A home invader has the right to free speech, but I also have the right to defend my person and property.  If I shoot him, it's not because he's wearing 'I Love Hamas' tee-shirt, but because he's committing the acts of trespassing, breaking and entering, assault, attempted battery, larcency, and worst of all (in the eyes of liberals) - smoking indoors.
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I have a solution.

Change this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

to this:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The followers of muhammed and the followers of marx are specifically excluded and denied the protections of this amendment along with any and all other Constitutional protections. Neither the United States nor the Several States will offer such protections or liberties to the followers of muhammed or to the followers of marx."

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Kind of funny... If these were NAZIS spewing NAZI propaganda and these NAZIS were not US citizens they would demand that they be deported post haste and/or incarcerated...

They are full of shit.

If you are not a citizen but you are here legally you are a guest. And as a guest if you wear out your welcome you can be forced to leave. Openly supporting vile terrorist who demand death to America is wearing out your welcome.