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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2025, 07:24:23 pm »
This ineptness pretty much sums up the federal bureaucracy.
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2025, 07:50:02 am »
With all the already-leased federal office buildings sitting empty, thanks to remote "work" where 90+% of federal employees "work" from home, could they not have moved these people above ground and given them actual computers?
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2025, 08:02:07 am »
Well just wait until Musk finds out about the records storage facilities in limestone caves near Kansas City:

https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2016/spring/historian-frcs.html

And Ravenrock Mountain, aka Site "R":

https://veteran.com/raven-rock-mountain-complex/
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2025, 08:22:41 am »
And here I thought I was antiquated because I prefer to write paper checks.  :pondering:
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2025, 09:08:19 am »
Using caves for record storage is one very sensible thing.
It's quite another to send 1,000 employees down there to process employee retirement forms with pencil and paper. How much sense does that make?

https://twitter.com/DOGE/status/1889437908094042277
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2025, 09:19:41 am »
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Iron Mountain: Limestone mine used for federal retirement paperwork processing

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2528129/iron-mountain-limestone-mine-used-for-federal-retirement-paperwork-processing

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Sinkhole of Bureaucracy

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In BOYERS, Pa. — The trucks full of paperwork come every day, turning off a country road north of Pittsburgh and descending through a gateway into the earth. Underground, they stop at a metal door decorated with an American flag.

Behind the door, a room opens up as big as a supermarket, full of five-drawer file cabinets and people in business casual. About 230 feet below the surface, there is easy-listening music playing at somebody’s desk.

This is one of the weirdest workplaces in the U.S. government — both for where it is and for what it does.

Here, inside the caverns of an old Pennsylvania limestone mine, there are 600 employees of the Office of Personnel Management. Their task is nothing top-secret. It is to process the retirement papers of the government’s own workers.

But that system has a spectacular flaw. It still must be done entirely by hand, and almost entirely on paper.

The employees here pass thousands of case files from cavern to cavern and then key in retirees’ personal data, one line at a time. They work underground not for secrecy but for space. The old mine’s tunnels have room for more than 28,000 file cabinets of paper records.

This odd place is an example of how hard it is to get a time-wasting bug out of a big bureaucratic system.

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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2025, 12:52:07 pm »
Quote from: Timber Rattler on February 12, 2025, 08:02:07 am
Well just wait until Musk finds out about the records storage facilities in limestone caves near Kansas City:

https://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2016/spring/historian-frcs.html

And Ravenrock Mountain, aka Site "R":

https://veteran.com/raven-rock-mountain-complex/

Gov records being stored in 1970's ford Maverics in MO cave.
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2025, 02:15:44 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on February 12, 2025, 07:50:02 am
With all the already-leased federal office buildings sitting empty, thanks to remote "work" where 90+% of federal employees "work" from home, could they not have moved these people above ground and given them actual computers?
Just think of all the problems involved with having to enter all that data into an actual computer system data base, not to mention the time involved. It truly makes one wonder though if the retirees benefits and payments are all handled by hand made entries etc., how many dead former federal employees are still being sent payments…..cashed by their families?

Or as usual did I misread/ interpret and it’s only their retirement packet handled by hand.
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2025, 02:29:40 pm »
Crucial components of the Hubbell space telescope, including the lens, were stored in an underground limestone mine in Wampum, PA. The constant climate is very desirable for such precise equipment.
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2025, 02:33:36 pm »
Quote from: GtHawk on February 12, 2025, 02:15:44 pm
Just think of all the problems involved with having to enter all that data into an actual computer system data base, not to mention the time involved. It truly makes one wonder though if the retirees benefits and payments are all handled by hand made entries etc., how many dead former federal employees are still being sent payments…..cashed by their families?

Or as usual did I misread/ interpret and it’s only their retirement packet handled by hand.
I don't know, but probably should doublecheck to find out whether my late father-in-law is still getting USPS retirement benefits 18 years after his death.
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2025, 03:32:56 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on February 11, 2025, 07:01:27 pm

https://twitter.com/RapidResponse47/status/1889428322813153769

It's starting to dawn on people that the corruption, waste and abuse in DC is so much greater than we imagined.

Obviously Pres. Trump has access to the top IT people in the world. It's time to modernize the computer systems in the federal govt.
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2025, 04:17:49 pm »
I never thought thought Trump was playing 4 dimensional chess, but it seems pretty clear that Elon Musk is.
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Re: Federal employee retirements are processed using paper, by hand, in an old limestone mine in Pen
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2025, 05:08:06 pm »
The company I formally worked for used Iron Mountain for archiving old paper work.
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