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Offline rangerrebew

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Biofuels Are Destroying Forests: The Other Side of Green Energy
« on: January 09, 2025, 05:40:07 am »
Biofuels Are Destroying Forests: The Other Side of Green Energy
Story by B.Sc. Jessica Taylor • 1d
 
The Promise of Biofuels
The world turned to biofuels as an answer to the climate crisis. Biomass, derived from plants and animals, seemed a renewable and eco-friendly alternative. The idea was simple: grow crops, turn them into fuel, and reduce reliance on depleting fossil fuels. Countries around the globe embraced this concept, investing in technologies to convert crops into ethanol and biodiesel. On paper, it seemed perfect. The carbon dioxide absorbed by plants during growth supposedly offset emissions during fuel combustion. It was heralded as the magic bullet for a cleaner, greener future.

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Re: Biofuels Are Destroying Forests: The Other Side of Green Energy
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2025, 04:31:36 am »
Still asking the wrong questions.

Is "Climate Change" a bad thing?

If "bad", is it bad because of the inconvenience of possible relocation and the necessity to adapt, or is it an exisistential threat to the species? IOW, could relocation of coastal cities to new coastal areas formed by sea level rise (or fall) be done rather than tinkering with nature in order to try to maintain a demonstrably dynamic system in stasis?
 
Is "Climate change" significantly anthropogenic? Or is it a natural process, as geological history would suggest (considering the climate has always changed, according to data we have, and did so long before (hundreds of millions of years before) humans were a significant presence on the planet).

Can humans do anything short of apocalyptic "solutions" that will make any significant difference in natural climate shifts?

If the answer is no to that last question, we should retain as many possible tools as possible to enable our species to adapt to the inevitable fluctuations in climate, otherwise, failure to adapt will lead us down the road to extinction.

The obvious and fundamental questions are not raised, but instead we proceed as if the answers are axiomatic and fundamental assumptions. We do so at the behest of computer models and politicians and poster children, but is the alleged scientific basis solid? Shouting down those who disagree is not "science". Addressing the concerns with full disclosure of unadulterated data is. 

We really need to question those fundamental assumptions before we engage in activities which may actually bring about our demise rather than 'save' us, otherwise the cure may prove far more deadly than the disease.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: Biofuels Are Destroying Forests: The Other Side of Green Energy
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2025, 03:31:22 pm »
Still asking the wrong questions.

Is "Climate Change" a bad thing?

If "bad", is it bad because of the inconvenience of possible relocation and the necessity to adapt, or is it an exisistential threat to the species? IOW, could relocation of coastal cities to new coastal areas formed by sea level rise (or fall) be done rather than tinkering with nature in order to try to maintain a demonstrably dynamic system in stasis?
 
Is "Climate change" significantly anthropogenic? Or is it a natural process, as geological history would suggest (considering the climate has always changed, according to data we have, and did so long before (hundreds of millions of years before) humans were a significant presence on the planet).

Can humans do anything short of apocalyptic "solutions" that will make any significant difference in natural climate shifts?

If the answer is no to that last question, we should retain as many possible tools as possible to enable our species to adapt to the inevitable fluctuations in climate, otherwise, failure to adapt will lead us down the road to extinction.

The obvious and fundamental questions are not raised, but instead we proceed as if the answers are axiomatic and fundamental assumptions. We do so at the behest of computer models and politicians and poster children, but is the alleged scientific basis solid? Shouting down those who disagree is not "science". Addressing the concerns with full disclosure of unadulterated data is. 

We really need to question those fundamental assumptions before we engage in activities which may actually bring about our demise rather than 'save' us, otherwise the cure may prove far more deadly than the disease.
As a scientist, am sure you are done with any more 'questions' regarding this.  The overwhelming amounts of data can give firm opinions that

1. climate change is a natural process of normal changing weather patterns
2. it is cyclic
3. its principal driver is the sun
4. there are only inconsequential actions that man can do to alter these normal, cyclical changes
5. there are no economic, commercial or measurable actions to even try to do so
6. experience can lead to the conclusion that to undertake to change the climate would result in unexpected consequences, likely detrimental, compared to natural adaptation
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Re: Biofuels Are Destroying Forests: The Other Side of Green Energy
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2025, 03:45:56 pm »
Can humans do anything short of apocalyptic "solutions" that will make any significant difference in natural climate shifts?

If the answer is no to that last question, we should retain as many possible tools as possible to enable our species to adapt to the inevitable fluctuations in climate, otherwise, failure to adapt will lead us down the road to extinction.

A ten degree rise in global temperatures would allow this planet to support four times more people than it currently does.  The problem is that the Left doesn't to share the planet with the current 7 billion residents, much less 21 billion more.
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Re: Biofuels Are Destroying Forests: The Other Side of Green Energy
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2025, 06:32:38 pm »
A ten degree rise in global temperatures would allow this planet to support four times more people than it currently does.  The problem is that the Left doesn't to share the planet with the current 7 billion residents, much less 21 billion more.
If there are too many 'peasants', they just might storm the Bastille. Precedent exists, and what follows gets ugly.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis