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Offline rangerrebew

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Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« on: June 17, 2024, 06:08:59 am »
Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
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This is a complex question with no easy answers. California, the world’s fifth-largest economy, boasts a unique blend of innovation, environmental consciousness, and social liberalism. As a separate nation, California could face both exciting opportunities and daunting challenges.

In this post, we’ll explore a wide range of potential outcomes, considering California’s current strengths and weaknesses. This will allow you to weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks and form your own informed opinion on this matter.

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The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth.  George Washington - Farewell Address

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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2024, 06:09:49 am »
They think it already is.
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The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize. But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth.  George Washington - Farewell Address

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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2024, 10:22:54 am »
1. I do not know who "they" is, but I doubt many Californians actually do.

2. Plus or minus a few of Sacto's craziest crazies, I think even the vast majority of Dem pols realize there are things a nation has to have that California does not and pretty much could not.
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I am not and never have been a leftist.

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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2024, 10:35:37 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on June 17, 2024, 10:22:54 am
1. I do not know who "they" is, but I doubt many Californians actually do.

2. Plus or minus a few of Sacto's craziest crazies, I think even the vast majority of Dem pols realize there are things a nation has to have that California does not and pretty much could not.
I don't know where supposedly intelligent people come up with crap like this, it's like the dreamers with Texit or the Oregon counties that want to secede from the state. I understand the feelings but they are living outside of reality.
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Offline cato potatoe

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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2024, 10:46:36 am »
Only if they are willing to give us their military assets and take on their share of the debt (which is subjective and will lead to fraught debate).  Also, they have to pay for a wall.
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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2024, 11:15:59 am »
No, California should remain a state.  We won it fair and square in the Mexican-American War of 1848.  It also gave us President Ronald Reagan.

For every Liberal in California, that's one less Liberal in Texas or Florida.



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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2024, 11:20:22 am »
Quote from: DefiantMassRINO on June 17, 2024, 11:15:59 am
No, California should remain a state.  We won it fair and square in the Mexican-American War of 1848.  It also gave us President Ronald Reagan.

For every Liberal in California, that's one less Liberal in Texas or Florida.

Actually, per the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the US paid for the Southwest in gold or silver. Mexico didn't actually want to sell, but invading Texas had consequences.
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I am not and never have been a leftist.

If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2024, 05:49:33 pm »
I wouldn't be surprised if -- after Mr. Trump gets re-elected -- we hear a crescendo of cries from California to divorce itself from America and become its own nation.

Mr. Trump won't do it, but if it was me, I'd make a national speech to wit:
"We recognize California's desire to become independent. Please send a delegation to Washington and we'll work out the details of the secession..."

I've posted what follows for many years in this forum, and "that other one" that most members here belonged to once.

Ask yourself the old "Ann Landers question" with a new twist:
Would the rest of America be better off with California?
Or... WITHOUT it?

Aside:
If California was no longer a part of the USA, would the "America" that remained become less conservative, or moreso?
If California was no longer a part of the USA, how much would the illegal population drop, on-the-spot? Would the result be better for Euro-heritage Americans, or not?

There can be no national reconciliation between the "traditional freedom states" and a "new slavery" state like CA.

Let it go.
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Re: Should California Become an Independent Country on its Own?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2024, 05:52:55 pm »
As long as they get their approximate 10% share of the national debt, they can have at it...
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