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And there you go.
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Merchan brought it to the defenders attention?  Why?
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Merchan brought it to the defenders attention?  Why?

Friday afternoon "news dump"...
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Could it be a trap?

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They want trump to violate the gag order.  Show he’s a danger to the jury and judicial process and must be locked up.  Then at sentencing, it will be the reason why he sentences trump to jail.
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Or they want another trial to prolong things further into the election...

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This whole thing probably is fake!

The man "Michael Anderson" who was mentioned by Judge Juan Merchan in his letter to both parties in the NY Trial, appears to be a troll.
See this twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1799213862044262779
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Merchan brought it to the defenders attention?  Why?

The point is that he brought it to the defense attorney's attention BEFORE the verdict was reached.  At that point, he should have sought the identity of said juror and had that juror replaced with an alternate.  The fact that he did not do so, but knowingly kept a compromised juror on the jury is in itself grounds not only for mistrial but for disbarment as well.
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This is the exact reason why I among others of you did not defend the jury in this sham.  Left wing hacks......    all of 'em.
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The Lefties are all over Twitter declaring this a hoax.
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The point is that he brought it to the defense attorney's attention BEFORE the verdict was reached.  At that point, he should have sought the identity of said juror and had that juror replaced with an alternate.  The fact that he did not do so, but knowingly kept a compromised juror on the jury is in itself grounds not only for mistrial but for disbarment as well.

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The Lefties are all over Twitter declaring this a hoax.
Desperation.
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The Lefties are all over Twitter declaring this a hoax.
Not just lefties. The guy making the claim is sketchy, at best.
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Not just lefties. The guy making the claim is sketchy, at best.

Doesn't matter if it is a hoax.  The point is that the judge didn't lift a finger to find out if it was.  He just let it ride.

Before the verdict was reached, the judge notified the defense that there may be a problem with a juror, and then did nothing about it.
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This whole thing probably is fake!

The man "Michael Anderson" who was mentioned by Judge Juan Merchan in his letter to both parties in the NY Trial, appears to be a troll.
See this twitter thread:

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1799213862044262779

Funny how people will grab any straw to defend Trump, even bogus FB posts from weird people who make crap up.
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Funny how people will grab any straw to defend Trump, even bogus FB posts from weird people who make crap up.

At this point, I am not taking anything verbatim from either side.  Maybe true, maybe not.   :shrug:
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The point is that he brought it to the defense attorney's attention BEFORE the verdict was reached.  At that point, he should have sought the identity of said juror and had that juror replaced with an alternate.  The fact that he did not do so, but knowingly kept a compromised juror on the jury is in itself grounds not only for mistrial but for disbarment as well.

The Merchan Letter posted above is dated yesterday.  Was this communicated to the Defense earlier?
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At this point, I am not taking anything verbatim from either side.  Maybe true, maybe not.   :shrug:
Exactly. We simply don't have enough facts.
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Funny how people will grab any straw to defend Trump, even bogus FB posts from weird people who make crap up.

How does anyone know that the flake who posted this doesn't have a flake friend who served on a jury @Sighlass ?

IF the Judge knew about this before the jury came back in and did nothing to investigate, HE is culpable!

And one more thing that bothers me is the fact that you were outraged when Roy Morre was slandered but completely blind when it's Trump in the crosshairs!
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Exactly. We simply don't have enough facts.

In the age of massive attention grabbing efforts in the social network era, I'd say highly plausible. 

I am going with 75% that this is legit.
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The Merchan Letter posted above is dated yesterday.  Was this communicated to the Defense earlier?

My understanding is that it was communicated on May 30.  I will search for the source.
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Exactly. We simply don't have enough facts.

I do have an expectation:  Merchan will look over the complaints (such as they are), and will then declare it a harmless mistake.
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I do have an expectation:  Merchan will look over the complaints (such as they are), and will then declare it a harmless mistake.

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I do have an expectation:  Merchan will look over the complaints (such as they are), and will then declare it a harmless mistake.
About what we'd expect of this utterly corrupt and incompetent judge.
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About what we'd expect of this utterly corrupt and incompetent judge.

Patience. It only strengthens his appeal.

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How does anyone know that the flake who posted this doesn't have a flake friend who served on a jury @Sighlass ?

IF the Judge knew about this before the jury came back in and did nothing to investigate, HE is culpable!

And one more thing that bothers me is the fact that you were outraged when Roy Morre was slandered but completely blind when it's Trump in the crosshairs!


1. Plausible but dressed like a weirdo does not bode well...

2. True if the allegations are founded on truth.

3. I have defended Trump on numerous occasions, but the difference is Trump is no Roy Moore (or Reagan for that matter), not even in the same universe. Donald has proven time and time again he doesn't even care to be in the same room with Roy... and I don't defend sexual missteps when it isn't remotely defensible,  Trump screwed around and brags about it (grab em ...). He tried to hide it (with his crew of fixers), and anyone with half a brain knows it, and in shabbily doing so, he juggled NY goofy arse campaign laws and probable crossed them. Would the DA of NY of went after Biden for doing the same thing, probable not even a chance. But because Trump is a flaming idiot (Character matters), he put himself in a position to be taken down where a more prudent (in more than one way, cunning and moral) person wouldn't have given the enemy the means to take him down. I am ticked at Trump for erasing the bar that usually divided democrats from conservatives, via moral fortitude/behavior. I am ticked the voting public (especially Christians) supported such a reprobate in the first place knowing what we knew before the first election (NY values). I am sickened how many "so-called" Christian mega leaders got in line to kiss butt under the banner of Trump (with his Playboy cover framed right behind them). His positions on Transsexuals, marriage vows, gays in the military, abortion, "assault" rifles, screamed "avoid like the plague"... Trump even flip-flopped on Planned Parenthood between debates. Not to mention his first term spending that seems to matter more to others here than the moral issues I primarily take offense with. Seems I judge with a different yard stick, but judge I do. The list goes on and on and you have heard it all before a thousand times here at TBR, probable you even added a few talking points... Attacking good proven conservatives when they didn't inflate his ego, an ego that chokes anyone that gets too close to him in some capacity.



Roy Moore had fake stuff thrown at him with zero proof because they knew he was incorruptible with a proven record to back it up, Trump has his own provable actions taken to task. Roy ticked off folks from Justice Ginsberg for doing gay marriages while the issue was before her, the homosexual person she married was kin (and worked at the Washington Post) to a local liberal that had connection to lots of local liberal women. They concocted the lies and the amount of conservatives that helped carry the water of the lies was amazing (including old local Shelby). Far as I can tell, most folks have bent over backwards to try to defend Trump even when Trump had dumped on them (ask Cruz). Heck even local Jeff Sessions has yet to say negative things about Trump and defended him in a Congressional inquiry like a trooper refusing to throw him under the bus. Even after being mocked and spit at during future elections, Sessions acted like a gentleman. The only ones that have folded were hand picked by Trump from his own circle of "trusted" friends. 

There is one fact known about Christians, that they would make enemies (hated even ... Mat. 24:9-10)... just for having Christian values. Trump managed to make enemies even beyond what most Christians make, which is hard to fathom.

All that said, I just disagree with a lot of folks on Trump for my own reasons... do I understand that Biden is the devil's servant in most every way, Yes, thus I understand why some folks still stick by Trump, including you, and I know you as a fine person, we just disagree over Trump. I  just have to make my peace with my maker one day, thus why I can not support Trump. I have enough flaws to make amends with, no need to add one more.

Trump does not represent me.... and the lesser of two evils reasoning was decided in the below verse for me.

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Romans 6:1-2

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1. Plausible but dressed like a weirdo does not bode well...

2. True if the allegations are founded on truth.

3. I have defended Trump on numerous occasions, but the difference is Trump is no Roy Moore (or Reagan for that matter), not even in the same universe. Donald has proven time and time again he doesn't even care to be in the same room with Roy... and I don't defend sexual missteps when it isn't remotely defensible,  Trump screwed around and brags about it (grab em ...). He tried to hide it (with his crew of fixers), and anyone with half a brain knows it, and in shabbily doing so, he juggled NY goofy arse campaign laws and probable crossed them. Would the DA of NY of went after Biden for doing the same thing, probable not even a chance. But because Trump is a flaming idiot (Character matters), he put himself in a position to be taken down where a more prudent (in more than one way, cunning and moral) person wouldn't have given the enemy the means to take him down. I am ticked at Trump for erasing the bar that usually divided democrats from conservatives, via moral fortitude/behavior. I am ticked the voting public (especially Christians) supported such a reprobate in the first place knowing what we knew before the first election (NY values). I am sickened how many "so-called" Christian mega leaders got in line to kiss butt under the banner of Trump (with his Playboy cover framed right behind them). His positions on Transsexuals, marriage vows, gays in the military, abortion, "assault" rifles, screamed "avoid like the plague"... Trump even flip-flopped on Planned Parenthood between debates. Not to mention his first term spending that seems to matter more to others here than the moral issues I primarily take offense with. Seems I judge with a different yard stick, but judge I do. The list goes on and on and you have heard it all before a thousand times here at TBR, probable you even added a few talking points... Attacking good proven conservatives when they didn't inflate his ego, an ego that chokes anyone that gets too close to him in some capacity.



Roy Moore had fake stuff thrown at him with zero proof because they knew he was incorruptible with a proven record to back it up, Trump has his own provable actions taken to task. Roy ticked off folks from Justice Ginsberg for doing gay marriages while the issue was before her, the homosexual person she married was kin (and worked at the Washington Post) to a local liberal that had connection to lots of local liberal women. They concocted the lies and the amount of conservatives that helped carry the water of the lies was amazing (including old local Shelby). Far as I can tell, most folks have bent over backwards to try to defend Trump even when Trump had dumped on them (ask Cruz). Heck even local Jeff Sessions has yet to say negative things about Trump and defended him in a Congressional inquiry like a trooper refusing to throw him under the bus. Even after being mocked and spit at during future elections, Sessions acted like a gentleman. The only ones that have folded were hand picked by Trump from his own circle of "trusted" friends. 

There is one fact known about Christians, that they would make enemies (hated even ... Mat. 24:9-10)... just for having Christian values. Trump managed to make enemies even beyond what most Christians make, which is hard to fathom.

All that said, I just disagree with a lot of folks on Trump for my own reasons... do I understand that Biden is the devil's servant in most every way, Yes, thus I understand why some folks still stick by Trump, including you, and I know you as a fine person, we just disagree over Trump. I  just have to make my peace with my maker one day, thus why I can not support Trump. I have enough flaws to make amends with, no need to add one more.

Trump does not represent me.... and the lesser of two evils reasoning was decided in the below verse for me.

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Romans 6:1-2

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It's abundantly clear to me that the United States of America is at the edge of a precipice. We either live to fight another day or we descend into Marxist hell. I leave you with this:


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1. Plausible but dressed like a weirdo does not bode well...

2. True if the allegations are founded on truth.

3. I have defended Trump on numerous occasions, but the difference is Trump is no Roy Moore (or Reagan for that matter), not even in the same universe. Donald has proven time and time again he doesn't even care to be in the same room with Roy... and I don't defend sexual missteps when it isn't remotely defensible,  Trump screwed around and brags about it (grab em ...). He tried to hide it (with his crew of fixers), and anyone with half a brain knows it, and in shabbily doing so, he juggled NY goofy arse campaign laws and probable crossed them. Would the DA of NY of went after Biden for doing the same thing, probable not even a chance. But because Trump is a flaming idiot (Character matters), he put himself in a position to be taken down where a more prudent (in more than one way, cunning and moral) person wouldn't have given the enemy the means to take him down. I am ticked at Trump for erasing the bar that usually divided democrats from conservatives, via moral fortitude/behavior. I am ticked the voting public (especially Christians) supported such a reprobate in the first place knowing what we knew before the first election (NY values). I am sickened how many "so-called" Christian mega leaders got in line to kiss butt under the banner of Trump (with his Playboy cover framed right behind them). His positions on Transsexuals, marriage vows, gays in the military, abortion, "assault" rifles, screamed "avoid like the plague"... Trump even flip-flopped on Planned Parenthood between debates. Not to mention his first term spending that seems to matter more to others here than the moral issues I primarily take offense with. Seems I judge with a different yard stick, but judge I do. The list goes on and on and you have heard it all before a thousand times here at TBR, probable you even added a few talking points... Attacking good proven conservatives when they didn't inflate his ego, an ego that chokes anyone that gets too close to him in some capacity.



Roy Moore had fake stuff thrown at him with zero proof because they knew he was incorruptible with a proven record to back it up, Trump has his own provable actions taken to task. Roy ticked off folks from Justice Ginsberg for doing gay marriages while the issue was before her, the homosexual person she married was kin (and worked at the Washington Post) to a local liberal that had connection to lots of local liberal women. They concocted the lies and the amount of conservatives that helped carry the water of the lies was amazing (including old local Shelby). Far as I can tell, most folks have bent over backwards to try to defend Trump even when Trump had dumped on them (ask Cruz). Heck even local Jeff Sessions has yet to say negative things about Trump and defended him in a Congressional inquiry like a trooper refusing to throw him under the bus. Even after being mocked and spit at during future elections, Sessions acted like a gentleman. The only ones that have folded were hand picked by Trump from his own circle of "trusted" friends. 

There is one fact known about Christians, that they would make enemies (hated even ... Mat. 24:9-10)... just for having Christian values. Trump managed to make enemies even beyond what most Christians make, which is hard to fathom.

All that said, I just disagree with a lot of folks on Trump for my own reasons... do I understand that Biden is the devil's servant in most every way, Yes, thus I understand why some folks still stick by Trump, including you, and I know you as a fine person, we just disagree over Trump. I  just have to make my peace with my maker one day, thus why I can not support Trump. I have enough flaws to make amends with, no need to add one more.

Trump does not represent me.... and the lesser of two evils reasoning was decided in the below verse for me.

And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

Romans 6:1-2

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Interesting that a possible hoax is enough to cast reasonable doubt upon the whole process.

Then, there are the facts...
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis