Rod Dreher: Viktor Orban Or Joe Biden?

[Kamaji]

Viktor Orban Or Joe Biden?

By Rod Dreher
April 4, 2022

Here’s a great short essay by the Romanian writer Titus Techera on Viktor Orban’s win in Hungary, and why so many Western liberals have this inexplicable, obsessive hatred for this small Central European country. In it, he quotes this Hillary Clinton tweet:



It’s always the same with these people: it’s only “democracy” when people vote the way they want them to. People did “go vote” — and they returned Orban and his Fidesz party to power by margins that even Fidesz did not expect (trust me on this — I was there last night at Fidesz HQ, talking to people as the numbers came in).

Here’s the response of Peter Marki-Zay, leader of the opposition, to Hillary’s tweet:



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The problem with Hungarians, according to US and European elites, is that they are Europeans who want to be European, but who don’t want to be progressives. This is one form of diversity that liberals never, ever tolerate. In fact, same-sex couples in Hungary can have civil unions, but they can’t call it marriage. Moreover, Marki-Zay, whom the Western media loved to call a conservative Catholic with seven children, opposed the law forbidding the teaching of transgender ideology and the like to schoolchildren. Did you see any of that in the Western media’s reporting on Hungary and its election?

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Orban is working with a more culturally conservative electorate than we have in the US, but he shows that if you are a conviction politician, you can run on common-sense culture war issues, against the elites of the Cathedral, and win. In a post earlier today, I talked about a conversation I had this afternoon with a taxi driver who supports Orban, and said that he is sick and tired of being called a homophobe, transphobe, and racist because he believes in things that were “normal” just yesterday.

Viktor Orban is his champion. We cultural conservatives in America have very few champions like Orban. Maybe that will change soon. Gov. DeSantis gives me hope.

In a tweet last night, I said that Viktor Orban is the leader of the West — or rather, that section of the West that remembers what the West is. What did I mean by that? A short explanation:

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Source:  https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/viktor-orban-joe-biden-liberalism/

[Right_in_Virginia]

"Eva Vlaar Joins Tucker Carlson To Discuss PM Of Hungary Viktor Orbán's Victory

Eva: "He doesn't cater to the Globalists. He doesn't cater to bureaucrats. He caters to a Hungary that is strong, that is proud, that's Christian, and that celebrates its own national identity."  (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1511157374165262337

[catfish1957]

In a tiny country of 10M, there are probably a lot people in Hillary's rolodex who might easily Brietbart Hungary's president.

Be careful Mr. Orban.  The Globalist NWO cabal is powerful and has a reach further than you proably realize.

[mountaineer]

As I recall, Hungary and Poland are two countries that have not admitted the flood of illegal immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. That may be another reason the American left hates them.

I visited Hungary in 1987, when it still was under the Soviet thumb. Grocery store shelves were empty and the people I saw on the streets appeared miserable and almost lifeless. The restaurants catering to tourists had plenty of food, and we had a massive delicious feast for the equivalent of about $7.

Freedom is better than subservience, but Hillary doesn't seem to believe it.

[mountaineer]

Monday, April 04, 2022
Hungary PM Orban says re-election validates 'Christian democratic, conservative politics'
By Ryan Foley, Christian Post Reporter

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has won re-election, attributing his victory to the popularity of his “brand of Christian democratic, conservative, patriotic politics.”

According to Hungary’s National Election Office, with more than 98% of votes counted, Orban’s Fidesz party captured 53.29% of the vote and 135 seats in the parliamentary elections held Sunday, enough to secure a supermajority in the 199-seat Parliament.

A coalition of opposition political parties titled United for Hungary received the second-highest share of votes and seats, accumulating 34.89% of the vote and 56 seats.

Seven of the remaining eight seats in Parliament went to the “Our Country” party, which captured 6.15% of the vote in the election. The eighth seat went to a minor political party, the National Self-Government of Hungarian Germans. ...

Additionally, in 2020, the government passed an amendment to the Fundamental Law of Hungary, the country’s equivalent of a constitution, that recognizes marriage as an institution between one man and woman and bans same-sex couples from adopting children.

Under the new policy, only married couples in a heterosexual relationship can adopt children.   ...

Orban has also faced pushback for his position on the ongoing conflict between Russia and Ukraine. He has voiced opposition to European Union sanctions on Russian oil and gas imports.

Orban has described keeping Hungary “out of this war” as “the most important” priority.

“We condemn the war; especially, that it is here in our neighborhood; we say no to violence, we stand together with our allies, and all this is important,” the prime minister remarked. ...

The article in Christian Post gives lots of examples of things the left hates.

[Kamaji]

As I recall, Hungary and Poland are two countries that have not admitted the flood of illegal immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. That may be another reason the American left hates them.

I visited Hungary in 1987, when it still was under the Soviet thumb. Grocery store shelves were empty and the people I saw on the streets appeared miserable and almost lifeless. The restaurants catering to tourists had plenty of food, and we had a massive delicious feast for the equivalent of about $7.

Freedom is better than subservience, but Hillary doesn't seem to believe it.

That is one of the reasons why the Left hate them.  They are also not willing to cater to the new identity politics and cancel culture the left now favors (most likely because their collective memory is still seared with what happened the last time fascists got control), and the left hate them for that, as well.

It astounds me that Orban is routinely libelled as an "authoritarian" when he has regularly faced new elections, and was initially forecast to lose this most recent election - in part due to the fact that he's been in office so long and people eventually get tired of the "old boss" just because of the familiarity - but the opposition candidate basically drove himself into the ground and ended up being the best campaign advertisement for Orban one could have imagined.

Orban is not an authoritarian - just as Trump was not an authoritarian - he just isn't a woke progressive proto-fascist, and it is the latter that is all the left will accept as "democracy" these days.

[mountaineer]

Yeah, if Hungary were an actual authoritarian or dictatorial country, Orban would have won with a heck of a lot more than 53% of the vote!

[Kamaji]

Yeah, if Hungary were an actual authoritarian or dictatorial country, Orban would have won with a heck of a lot more than 53% of the vote!

He would have won with 81 million votes, most likely!

[Right_in_Virginia]

As I recall, Hungary and Poland are two countries that have not admitted the flood of illegal immigrants from the Middle East and Africa. That may be another reason the American left hates them.

You are correct, on both points.   

[GtHawk]

In a tiny country of 10M, there are probably a lot people in Hillary's rolodex who might easily Brietbart Hungary's president.

Be careful Mr. Orban.  The Globalist NWO cabal is powerful and has a reach further than you proably realize.

Oh I think Orban has a pretty good idea of what he and Hungary are dealing with. Hungary has dealt with moslems trying to destroy them, Wilson tearing them apart as a nation, the EU trying to force another moslem invasion on them and threaten them economically, the POS Soros pouring money in to undermine Hungary's Parliamentary Republic and tilt them back to socialism. Hungary may not be the giant of it's past but the giant's heart still beats in it's breast.

Magyarország örökké

[Fishrrman]

From RinVa's reply 1 above:
Eva: "He doesn't cater to the Globalists. He doesn't cater to bureaucrats. He caters to a Hungary that is strong, that is proud, that's Christian, and that celebrates its own national identity."

All well and good.
BUT... there is something -- something very relevant -- that is being "left unsaid" here.

I'm not going to say it outright, it's up to you to figure it out for yourself.

I will, however, again present "Fishrrman's dialectic":
You may not be interested in the politics of race, ethnicity, and identity.
But the politics of race, ethnicity and identity are VERY MUCH interested... in YOU.

Mr. Orban -- and the majority of Hungarians who re-elected him -- KNOW "with whom" they "identify".
And I applaud them for it.
They will survive as a nation and as "a people".

We, on the other hand... will not.