Widely-hyped mask study used to push mandates turns out to be a complete sham upon raw data release

[rangerrebew]

Widely-hyped mask study used to push mandates turns out to be a complete sham upon raw data release

12/06/2021 / By Ethan Huff

Raw data from the infamous Bangladeshi mask mandate study has finally been released. And it shows that, contrary to what the mainstream media claimed all last year, wearing a mask does nothing to promote health or protect against disease.

It took them long enough, but the authors of the research finally came clean, revealing an absolute different of 20 symptomatic cases over eight weeks between mask wearers and non-mask wearers.

Since the sample size of participants was around 340,000 people, a difference of 20 cases is basically zero. In essence, there is no difference in health outcomes between people who wear a mask and those that do not wear a mask.

https://www.realscience.news/2021-12-06-mask-study-mandates-complete-sham-raw-data.html

[240B]

The mask was always much more of a political issue than a health issue.
Even Fauci said this. Fauci said, 'Wear a mask to show you care.'
It was always virtue signaling. And Fauci knew it the whole time.

[mountaineer]

And Fauci knew it the whole time.

Both before and after he acknowledged that the mask provided no protection.

[240B]

Both before and after he acknowledged that the mask provided no protection.

Another Fauci quote: "You should wear a mask to make others feel safe."
"Wearing a mask is the right thing to do."

I have never heard or read anywhere that Fauci believes a paper mask will stop a virus.
He is on record saying that masks are silly, that is on record. Whenever Fauci discusses masks, he always phrases it in term of some kind of absurd 'civic duty'. But he never says in plain language that masks will prevent COVID.

[Bigun]

Another Fauci quote: "You should wear a mask to make others feel safe."
"Wearing a mask is the right thing to do."

I have never heard or read anywhere that Fauci believes a paper mask will stop a virus.
He is on record saying that masks are silly, that is on record. Whenever Fauci discusses masks, he always phrases it in term of some kind of absurd 'civic duty'. But he never says in plain language that masks will prevent COVID.

Those masks are, and always have been, nothing more than a psychological device to strip people of their identities. Stopping Viri has nothing to do with it.

[DefiantMassRINO]

I choose to wear a mask in public indoor spaces, mostly the supermarket.  I've eaten 4 meals at indoor restaurants since March, 2020.  I got my 3 Pfizer shots.  That's my free choice based upon reading reputable scientific articles and conversations with family friends that are hospital nurses.

If someone wants to maintain an increased risk of dying alone, on a respirator, in a hospital I.C.U., that's their free choice.

Both free choices come with public costs - vaccines and hospitalizations.  Vaccines are more cost effective than hospitalizations.

From a nihilist, utilitarian perspective, it's Natural Selection at work.  The vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization and death statistics will be a fascinating measure of which is the least lethal choice.

[Bigun]

I choose to wear a mask in public indoor spaces, mostly the supermarket.  I've eaten 4 meals at indoor restaurants since March, 2020.  I got my 3 Pfizer shots.  That's my free choice based upon reading reputable scientific articles and conversations with family friends that are hospital nurses.

If someone wants to maintain an increased risk of dying alone, on a respirator, in a hospital I.C.U., that's their free choice.

Both free choices come with public costs - vaccines and hospitalizations.  Vaccines are more cost effective than hospitalizations.

From a nihilist, utilitarian perspective, it's Natural Selection at work.  The vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization and death statistics will be a fascinating measure of which is the least lethal choice.

I'm a 73 year old male with several potential comorbidities who has chosen not to participate (no jabs, no masks, no changes at all in lifestyle) in the CHICOM/Democrat destruction of the US economy.  I'll take my chances.

[Kamaji]

I choose to wear a mask in public indoor spaces, mostly the supermarket.  I've eaten 4 meals at indoor restaurants since March, 2020.  I got my 3 Pfizer shots.  That's my free choice based upon reading reputable scientific articles and conversations with family friends that are hospital nurses.

If someone wants to maintain an increased risk of dying alone, on a respirator, in a hospital I.C.U., that's their free choice.

Both free choices come with public costs - vaccines and hospitalizations.  Vaccines are more cost effective than hospitalizations.

From a nihilist, utilitarian perspective, it's Natural Selection at work.  The vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization and death statistics will be a fascinating measure of which is the least lethal choice.

Depending on one's age and comorbidities, one's "risk of dying alone on a ventilator" is less than one's risk of winning a major lottery.

It's a personal choice, which you started off emphasizing, but which you then besmirched by surreptitiously importing your personal subjective beliefs in under the guise of "objective" fact.

Furthermore, evidence - not political agendas - demonstrate that unless one is old and/or suffering from significant comorbidities, there are plenty of therapeutics out there that have a better result than the vaxxes do, particularly against the newer variants.

So, on the one hand, I'm glad you're comfortable with your personal choices, but don't foist them off as some Vulcan-level objectively rational choice as opposed to your personal choice based on your personal circumstances, your personal aversion to risk (in general and in specific), and your subjective evaluation of the situation.

In the meantime, I'll continue laughing at the schmucks who wear the same paper surgical mask over and over again (they're supposed to be replaced on a fairly regular basis) and who render them virtually pointless by routinely grabbing the outer surface with their fingers to raise and lower their face hankies, and then using those same fingers to touch their mouths, eyes, or other areas of potential infection.  Those people are a lot more dangerous to themselves with a mask then they would ever be without a mask.

[Bigun]

https://twitter.com/MQSullivan/status/1468747101215592450/photo/1

[240B]

From a nihilist, utilitarian perspective, it's Natural Selection at work.  The vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization and death statistics will be a fascinating measure of which is the least lethal choice.

Medicine and medical statistics have all been politicized by Fauci. We will never know how many people died specifically from the vaccine because that data is not made public. Any statistics coming from the CDC or the U.S. government will necessarily be unreliable, because of course they will only release statistics which favor their policies and goals.

For example the annual regular flu which happens every year has disappeared. There are no cases of flu. It went away. Now there is COVID and only COVID. Everything these days is COVID or COVID related.

[Kamaji]

Medicine and medical statistics have all been politicized by Fauci. We will never know how many people died specifically from the vaccine because that data is not made public. Any statistics coming from the CDC or the U.S. government will necessarily be unreliable, because of course they will only release statistics which favor their policies and goals.

For example the annual regular flu which happens every year has disappeared. There are no cases of flu. It went away. Now there is COVID and only COVID. Everything these days is COVID or COVID related.

Exactly.  The data have been poisoned to the point of meaninglessness.  And since the original raw data is either unavailable, or also tainted beyond use, we will never know.

[DB]

I choose to wear a mask in public indoor spaces, mostly the supermarket.  I've eaten 4 meals at indoor restaurants since March, 2020.  I got my 3 Pfizer shots.  That's my free choice based upon reading reputable scientific articles and conversations with family friends that are hospital nurses.

If someone wants to maintain an increased risk of dying alone, on a respirator, in a hospital I.C.U., that's their free choice.

Both free choices come with public costs - vaccines and hospitalizations.  Vaccines are more cost effective than hospitalizations.

From a nihilist, utilitarian perspective, it's Natural Selection at work.  The vaccinated vs unvaccinated hospitalization and death statistics will be a fascinating measure of which is the least lethal choice.

LOL... More have died this year with large numbers of people being "vaccinated" than the year before when Covid ran wild and no one was "vaccinated". Both the mask and the "vaccine" are bullshit and you bought into it hook line and sinker... Without the "vaccine" it is highly likely fewer would be dead today. There is study after study that shows vitamin D blood serum levels as the biggest indicator of how severely ill one will get when getting Covid. Those with low levels are far more likely to be hospitalized and/or die. Simply increasing your levels to about 50 ng/mL drastically improves your chances of not getting severely ill. This was known early in 2020 when it was reported that those who were dying also had very low D serum levels.

[libertybele]

Depending on one's age and comorbidities, one's "risk of dying alone on a ventilator" is less than one's risk of winning a major lottery.

It's a personal choice, which you started off emphasizing, but which you then besmirched by surreptitiously importing your personal subjective beliefs in under the guise of "objective" fact.

Furthermore, evidence - not political agendas - demonstrate that unless one is old and/or suffering from significant comorbidities, there are plenty of therapeutics out there that have a better result than the vaxxes do, particularly against the newer variants.

So, on the one hand, I'm glad you're comfortable with your personal choices, but don't foist them off as some Vulcan-level objectively rational choice as opposed to your personal choice based on your personal circumstances, your personal aversion to risk (in general and in specific), and your subjective evaluation of the situation.

In the meantime, I'll continue laughing at the schmucks who wear the same paper surgical mask over and over again (they're supposed to be replaced on a fairly regular basis) and who render them virtually pointless by routinely grabbing the outer surface with their fingers to raise and lower their face hankies, and then using those same fingers to touch their mouths, eyes, or other areas of potential infection.  Those people are a lot more dangerous to themselves with a mask then they would ever be without a mask.

Very true. It is mandatory still around here to wear a mask to any medical facility.  There's no way around that.   

I carry around hand sanitizer and use it after I touch door handles, grocery carts, gas pump handles, etc., and  before I get into the car and I also sanitize my keys.

It's really important to not touch your face when you're out, though it's a difficult habit to get into.

[240B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvCfDtKPgUo

[Restored]

Most precautions that people take are meaningless. You don't need a mask in a public space. You need it at gatherings where you will be around the same people for a length of time. You don't need a mask walking to your table in a restaurant, you need it while seated at your table with other people. The mask is largely used as a virtue signal. If masks really worked, nursing homes would not have been hit as hard.
Covid is rarely spread by contact unlike the cold or flu. Hand-washing and such are great but they won't work as well with Covid as they do with colds and flu. Covid is largely easy to avoid. Stay away from sick people.
The problem with the masks is they gave people a false sense of security. Because they wore a mask walking on the sidewalks around campus, it gave them the right to party at the frat house. It also gave some people the sense of invincibility to where they could slip in other cases. My sister got Covid while partying at the beach with an old flame but she tells everybody she got it from a gas pump. That kind of thing.

[mountaineer]

Evidence for Community Cloth Face Masking to Limit the Spread of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review

Abstract
The use of cloth facemasks in community settings has become an accepted public policy response to decrease disease transmission during the COVID-19 pandemic. Yet evidence of facemask efficacy is based primarily on observational studies that are subject to confounding and on mechanistic studies that rely on surrogate endpoints (such as droplet dispersion) as proxies for disease transmission. The available clinical evidence of facemask efficacy is of low quality and the best available clinical evidence has mostly failed to show efficacy, with fourteen of sixteen identified randomized controlled trials comparing face masks to no mask controls failing to find statistically significant benefit in the intent-to-treat populations. Of sixteen quantitative meta-analyses, eight were equivocal or critical as to whether evidence supports a public recommendation of masks, and the remaining eight supported a public mask intervention on limited evidence primarily on the basis of the precautionary principle. Although weak evidence should not preclude precautionary actions in the face of unprecedented events such as the COVID-19 pandemic, ethical principles require that the strength of the evidence and best estimates of amount of benefit be truthfully communicated to the public.  ...  https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2021-11/working-paper-64.pdf

[Kamaji]

Evidence for Community Cloth Face Masking to Limit the Spread of SARS-CoV-2: A Critical Review

Abstract
The use of cloth facemasks in community settings has become an accepted public policy response to decrease disease transmission during the COVID-19 pandemic. Yet evidence of facemask efficacy is based primarily on observational studies that are subject to confounding and on mechanistic studies that rely on surrogate endpoints (such as droplet dispersion) as proxies for disease transmission. The available clinical evidence of facemask efficacy is of low quality and the best available clinical evidence has mostly failed to show efficacy, with fourteen of sixteen identified randomized controlled trials comparing face masks to no mask controls failing to find statistically significant benefit in the intent-to-treat populations. Of sixteen quantitative meta-analyses, eight were equivocal or critical as to whether evidence supports a public recommendation of masks, and the remaining eight supported a public mask intervention on limited evidence primarily on the basis of the precautionary principle. Although weak evidence should not preclude precautionary actions in the face of unprecedented events such as the COVID-19 pandemic, ethical principles require that the strength of the evidence and best estimates of amount of benefit be truthfully communicated to the public.  ...  https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2021-11/working-paper-64.pdf

@mountaineer

Thanks for the links!

[Cyber Liberty]

Exactly.  The data have been poisoned to the point of meaninglessness.  And since the original raw data is either unavailable, or also tainted beyond use, we will never know.

I worked >25 years in R&D, and Statistics were very important to our work product.  I knew from the get-go the numbers were being faked (they were mixing actual COVID infections with antibody tests, thus inflating the numbers), and my first reaction was sadness at what's being done to my beloved statistical analysis. 

Scientists I worked with back then, who should know better, knew it too but they still went along like sheep.  Never before has GIGO been so clear, and never before has there been so much acceptance of garbage results.  It's stunning.

[Kamaji]

I worked >25 years in R&D, and Statistics were very important to our work product.  I knew from the get-go the numbers were being faked (they were mixing actual COVID infections with antibody tests, thus inflating the numbers), and my first reaction was sadness at what's being done to my beloved statistical analysis. 

Scientists I worked with back then, who should know better, knew it too but they still went along like sheep.  Never before has GIGO been so clear, and never before has there been so much acceptance of garbage results.  It's stunning.

[SZonian]

Depending on one's age and comorbidities, one's "risk of dying alone on a ventilator" is less than one's risk of winning a major lottery.

It's a personal choice, which you started off emphasizing, but which you then besmirched by surreptitiously importing your personal subjective beliefs in under the guise of "objective" fact.

Furthermore, evidence - not political agendas - demonstrate that unless one is old and/or suffering from significant comorbidities, there are plenty of therapeutics out there that have a better result than the vaxxes do, particularly against the newer variants.

So, on the one hand, I'm glad you're comfortable with your personal choices, but don't foist them off as some Vulcan-level objectively rational choice as opposed to your personal choice based on your personal circumstances, your personal aversion to risk (in general and in specific), and your subjective evaluation of the situation.

In the meantime, I'll continue laughing at the schmucks who wear the same paper surgical mask over and over again (they're supposed to be replaced on a fairly regular basis) and who render them virtually pointless by routinely grabbing the outer surface with their fingers to raise and lower their face hankies, and then using those same fingers to touch their mouths, eyes, or other areas of potential infection.  Those people are a lot more dangerous to themselves with a mask then they would ever be without a mask.

[Bigun]

@mountaineer

Thanks for the links!

  But the FACT is that we have known all this for 100 years or more but if you post links to any/all the studies about this subject done right after the Spanish Flu epidemic on social media you WILL get banned!

[Kamaji]

But the FACT is that we have known all this for 100 years or more but if you post links to any/all the studies about this subject done right after the Spanish Flu epidemic on social media you WILL get banned!

True, but I don't really care about social media - other than believing that it needs to be broken up - I'm more interested in having facts to hand that I can use in discussions with other people face to face. 

[mountaineer]

Medical doctor and former member of Congress says, in response to CEO of Southwest Airlines testifying in support of lifting the mask mandate on airplanes, saying, "Masks don't add much, if anything":

Nan Hayworth, M.D.
@NanHayworth
TRUE.

I'm a surgeon. Surgical-style masks keep droplets containing bacteria from falling from one's nose or mouth onto a surgical field.
They do that.
They DON'T prevent RESPIRATORY viruses from clinging to tiny particles and circulating into the air.
Stop the madness!
1:04 PM · Dec 16, 2021