Author Topic: Top military officer labels Confederacy as treasonous as Pentagon takes ‘hard look’ at rebel ties  (Read 3575 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 60,555
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
A traitor to what, exactly?  Certainly not traitors to the Constitution.  The chief grievance of Southern States was that the Federal government was violating its own Constitution.  If anyone should be considered a traitor here, it should be the ones holding federal power who willfully allowed the Constitution to be ignored at the expense of Southern States.

As for Lincoln, he was handed an extremely bad hand.  Buchanan is the one who set the stage, not Lincoln.  But that did not make Lincoln's actions any more lawful.
Correct. My ancestors swore a written oath to the Sovereign State of Maryland after the Revolution. There is where their loyalty resided. It was the same for the citizens of the Commonwealth of Virginia, those from the Carolinas, each citizens of their respective States, and owing their allegiance to them. The Federal government was not a National Government, nor considered thus until after the War of Northern Aggression forced the South into the "union" at gunpoint.
The Pledge of Allegiance we said as kids in school wasn't written until after 1890.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2020, 06:49:07 am by Smokin Joe »
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

Offline Absalom

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,375
Many of the founders of the Republican Party were what historians refer to as 48ers (Leaders of failed Marxist revolutions in Europe in and around 1848 who had escaped their home countries a half step ahead of the hangman and came to this country)  Many of those people later served as high ranking officers in Mr. Lincolns Army and cabinet.
Joseph Weydemeyer
August Willich
There are many others as well.
Edit to add: I know that posting things like this makes me very unpopular with some here but historical facts are historical facts and we should not ever deny them.
----------------------------
@Bigun, on the mark per usual.
Those who resent being corrected/informed, have a romantic attachment to their prejudices, no matter how absurd.
You're doing them a large favor by referencing history, Man's greatest teacher, as the likes of Plato understood very well.
"Those who forget/ignore history are condemned to repeat it"/the wisdom of both Burke and Santayana.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2020, 02:29:33 am by Absalom »

Offline Slide Rule

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16,931
  • Gender: Male
It looks like West Point and other military academies require some monitoring of
instruction. Certainly a thank you for your service and get the hell out letters.
Certainly touchy feely issues do not serve the purpose of developing the best
minds for fighting America's conflicts.

A review of anyone new in the past decade. And an emphasis on military issues,
our countries history, and a not political stance by members of the military.
A focus on actual economics may be required. Ask Hillsdale College for their
recommendations.



White, American, MAGA, 3% Neanderthal, and 97% Extreme Right Wing Conservative.

Recommended

J Boswell, The Life of Samuel Johnson
E Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France
N Davies, Europe: A History
R Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics
R Penrose, The Road To Reality & The Emperor's New Mind
K Popper, An Open Society and Its Enemies & The Logic of Scientific Discovery
A Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, & Everything he wrote

Offline Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 60,555
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
It looks like West Point and other military academies require some monitoring of
instruction. Certainly a thank you for your service and get the hell out letters.
Certainly touchy feely issues do not serve the purpose of developing the best
minds for fighting America's conflicts.

A review of anyone new in the past decade. And an emphasis on military issues,
our countries history, and a not political stance by members of the military.
A focus on actual economics may be required. Ask Hillsdale College for their
recommendations.
How are we to train the warriors of the future if we quail at the mention of our opponents of the past, even honoring in the past them for their abilities. Even those who were eventually defeated are worthy of study if they were victorious. 'Shock and Awe' was modeled on the Blitzkrieg, for instance.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

Offline EdinVA

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,584
  • Gender: Male
Terrible war.... brother against brother, father against son, uncle against nephew...
The families intentionally put members on opposite sides because no one knew who would win, if there would be any attempt a reconciliation or one side would become slaves to the other....
A lot of the soldiers never really knew what they were fighting for, they were scooped up walking down the road and found themselves on one side of the war or the other and were just trying to stay alive...

Offline txradioguy

  • Propaganda NCOIC
  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 23,534
  • Gender: Male
  • Rule #39
How are we to train the warriors of the future if we quail at the mention of our opponents of the past, even honoring in the past them for their abilities. Even those who were eventually defeated are worthy of study if they were victorious. 'Shock and Awe' was modeled on the Blitzkrieg, for instance.

We won't be able to train them.  But then that's exactly what the left wants.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

Here lies in honored glory an American soldier, known but to God

THE ESTABLISHMENT IS THE PROBLEM...NOT THE SOLUTION

Republicans Don't Need A Back Bench...They Need a BACKBONE!

Offline Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 60,555
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
We won't be able to train them.  But then that's exactly what the left wants.
It dawns on me that as unpalatable as many found Pinochet, he served his purpose, and eventually gave up power for elections. Doubtless the marxists have reason to badmouth him, not undeserved from their viewpoint.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis