CDC: Americans over 60 should 'stock up' on supplies, avoid crowds

[mystery-ak]

CDC: Americans over 60 should 'stock up' on supplies, avoid crowds
By Nathaniel Weixel - 03/09/20 02:12 PM EDT

Older Americans, especially those with underlying health conditions, should stockpile supplies and avoid unnecessary travel, a top official at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Monday.

Most Americans are likely at risk of catching the novel strain of the coronavirus, said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. Older Americans are especially susceptible to serious outcomes.

"As the trajectory of the outbreak continues, many people in the U.S. will at some point in time this year or next be exposed to this virus, and there’s a good chance many will become sick," Messonnier said. "The reason to stock up now is to kind of stick close to home."

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486645-cdc-americans-over-60-should-stock-up-on-supplies-avoid-crowds

[libertybele]

CDC: Americans over 60 should 'stock up' on supplies, avoid crowds
By Nathaniel Weixel - 03/09/20 02:12 PM EDT

Older Americans, especially those with underlying health conditions, should stockpile supplies and avoid unnecessary travel, a top official at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said Monday.

Most Americans are likely at risk of catching the novel strain of the coronavirus, said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. Older Americans are especially susceptible to serious outcomes.

"As the trajectory of the outbreak continues, many people in the U.S. will at some point in time this year or next be exposed to this virus, and there’s a good chance many will become sick," Messonnier said. "The reason to stock up now is to kind of stick close to home."

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/486645-cdc-americans-over-60-should-stock-up-on-supplies-avoid-crowds

The important stat is at the very bottom of the article; John Hopkins states that there are now over 600 cases in the U.S. with 22 deaths, if I'm doing the math correctly the death rate right now is 3.5%

[DB]

Washington nursing home with coronavirus outbreak reported shocking escalation from 'no symptoms to death'

https://theweek.com/speedreads/900862/washington-nursing-home-coronavirus-outbreak-reported-shocking-escalation-from-no-symptoms-death

Who knows what the truth is...

[skeeter]

The important stat is at the very bottom of the article; John Hopkins states that there are now over 600 cases in the U.S. with 22 deaths, if I'm doing the math correctly the death rate right now is 3.5%

We won't have a good idea of the mortality rate until testing is widespread.

[DB]

Coronavirus: Doctor says high blood pressure a major death risk.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/coronavirus-doctor-says-high-blood-pressure-a-major-death-risk-1.1583772143148

[skeeter]

Coronavirus: Doctor says high blood pressure a major death risk.

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/coronavirus-doctor-says-high-blood-pressure-a-major-death-risk-1.1583772143148

Perhaps the association isn't so much blood pressure as it is kidney disease.

[truth_seeker]

Don't rush out and stockpile water and toilet paper.

Wash your hands.

Spread common sense, not panic and nonsense

[libertybele]

Don't rush out and stockpile water and toilet paper.

Wash your hands.

Spread common sense, not panic and nonsense

I disagree with you on this one. Certainly don't panic and take precautions, but I would strongly encourage people to start storing additional food, water and paper goods NOW. IF and when this virus becomes a pandemic in the U.S., then everyone IS going to try to purchase additional food, water and supplies.  At that time, the stores will be more crowded, supplies will be sparse, the lines will be longer and consequently, you will be facing a greater risk.  Stock up now while the risk is lower, the supplies are more plentiful and you can sit back while everyone else is in panic mode and with reason.

[Applewood]

Don't rush out and stockpile water and toilet paper.

Wash your hands.

Spread common sense, not panic and nonsense

Well, I stockpile paper products and other non-perishables every fall, but that's in preparation for bad winters when I can't get out to shop.  Water, I get out of the tap.  I live in a lousy neighborhood, but one good thing we do have here is water.  I keep numerous bottles in the refrigerator and elsewhere.

But this old lady refuses to stay home.  I was out earlier today in fact.  It's 68 degrees outside right now.  By tomorrow it will be in the 40s and who knows what it will be like by the end of the week.  Snow is still possible here.   So no way am I staying home when the weather is nice. 

You are right about spreading common sense.  Remind people to wash their hands  and do all the good hygiene practices we were taught as kids (but I think many people forgot or they never learned).  That is what should be promoted, not panic.

In Pennsylvania we have seven confirmed cases so far.  All but one are at home, self-quarantined.  All of the cases are in the eastern part of the state closer to Philadelphia.  I live closer to Pittsburgh.  I refuse to be panicked into confining myself needlessly. 

[truth_seeker]

In my mind, "not panic," not stockpile, means just that.

If the situation changes, I will re-evaluate.

So far, I have not heard that stockpiles of water and TP, ward off the disease.

My tap water is fine.

Unfortunately a degree of panic, is already underway.

 

[thackney]

In my mind, "not panic," not stockpile, means just that.

If the situation changes, I will re-evaluate.

So far, I have not heard that stockpiles of water and TP, ward off the disease.

My tap water is fine.

Unfortunately a degree of panic, is already underway.

If you get quarantined, or if you area gets locked down like Italy, it will be too late to get your needed supplies.

Water and TP are not for the disease, but for the confinement.

[catfish1957]

My tap water is fine.

Yes it is.  Behind the Climate Change fiasco, bottled water is maybe the biggest hoax in our lifetimes.  If water taste or aesthetics are an issue, you can install a faucet filter at much less the cost.

Bottle Water only serves one purpose.  Water in an emergency when potable water systems are comprised (contaminated) or lost due to a disaster.

Nowadays, most potable water suppliers have backup generators, so the chance of losing water has diminished signifcantly.

[Applewood]

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Water and TP are not for the disease, but for the confinement.

You're right, but I have more than enough for whatever happens.  Food too.  Only things I will miss are fresh fruit and vegetables, but I will survive. 

[Applewood]

Yes it is.  Behind the Climate Change fiasco, bottled water is maybe the biggest hoax in our lifetimes.  If water taste or aesthetics are an issue, you can install a faucet filter at much less the cost.

Bottle Water only serves one purpose.  Water in an emergency when potable water systems are comprised (contaminated) or lost due to a disaster.

Nowadays, most potable water suppliers have backup generators, so the chance of losing water has diminished signifcantly.

Taste and quality often depends on where one lives, I think.  I live outside Pittsburgh, but a friend of mine lives in the city and city water is just awful.  The city's water supply is a local government operation, and like everything else government run, it's mismanaged.  Seems that every other week there is a water main break or some other calamity and she goes without tap water.  So yes, she has to keep a bottled water supply around.

Where I live, a private concern is responsible for the water supply and that outfit does a great job of maintenance and keeping the water clean.    I have actually fooled some hoity-toity people by giving them bottled tap water to drink.  They thought they were actually drinking Evian, Dasani or one of the other brand.  LOL

[catfish1957]

Taste and quality often depends on where one lives, I think.  I live outside Pittsburgh, but a friend of mine lives in the city and city water is just awful.  The city's water supply is a local government operation, and like everything else government run, it's mismanaged.  Seems that every other week there is a water main break or some other calamity and she goes without tap water.  So yes, she has to keep a bottled water supply around.

Where I live, a private concern is responsible for the water supply and that outfit does a great job of maintenance and keeping the water clean.    I have actually fooled some hoity-toity people by giving them bottled tap water to drink.  They thought they were actually drinking Evian, Dasani or one of the other brand.  LOL

Living in an area like that does pose problems.  Are those breaks causing numerous boil water notices?  If so, she may be in that very small minority that would be better off safe with bottle water.

OTOH, I have a friend an hour or so away, who was buying bottled water because of the chlorine aesthetic.  He unfortunately lived close to the water plant, so he had the bad luck to be on the front end of a system designed to provide adequate chlorinaton for the whole municpality. 

He could let a let a glass of water sit 15 minutes and it would still be pungent with hypochlorite disinfectant.  That is when I turned him on to a good filter that was good for removing that taste.  He thanked me for saving him about $800 a year in bottle water costs.

[Cyber Liberty]

He could let a let a glass of water sit 15 minutes and it would still be pungent with hypochlorite disinfectant.  That is when I turned him on to a good filter that was good for removing that taste.  He thanked me for saving him about $800 a year in bottle water costs.

Which filter is that?  I've been using Zero Water, and I like it.

[catfish1957]

Which filter is that?  I've been using Zero Water, and I like it.

I think it was a cheap Brita.  Any charcoal  based system will be  fine, just make sure it is  easy to change, backwash or regenerate.  I think he cleans his once every few weeks, whether he needs to or not.

[Applewood]

Living in an area like that does pose problems.  Are those breaks causing numerous boil water notices?  If so, she may be in that very small minority that would be better off safe with bottle water.
...

The breaks either shut off the water entirely or there is a boil water notice.  These breaks used to happen only in winter, but the last few years, they have been year round.  The water system is ancient and I expect most, if not all of it should be replaced.  But the city only has money for important stuff like bicycle lanes.   

Last year, there was an effort to replace the city water authority with a private concern, but city council put the screws to that.  Guess they didn't want to lose another source of patronage jobs. 

[Cyber Liberty]

The breaks either shut off the water entirely or there is a boil water notice.  These breaks used to happen only in winter, but the last few years, they have been year round.  The water system is ancient and I expect most, if not all of it should be replaced.  But the city only has money for important stuff like bicycle lanes.   

Last year, there was an effort to replace the city water authority with a private concern, but city council put the screws to that.  Guess they didn't want to lose another source of patronage jobs.

The "little town" I moved to last year was incorporated in 1984.  At that time we had a water co-op, which was bought out by a succession of private companies.  The latest company (owned by a Canadian municipality) took over in 2012, and the rate-payers saw a 100% increase in their water bills over the course of three years.  As a result, the city won a $130M bond issue in November, 2019 to condemn the water company and make it a municipal utility, as are 80% of the water companies in the US. 

It will be in court for a while, as the company is fighting the condemnation.  Even though the City was required to be neutral in the election, the company (EPCOR) is suing the City Council members individually.  EPCOR will eventually lose on the merits, but not before personally costing the Councilmen thousands to defend themselves and their families.

Water is a big issue in Arizona, as one might expect for a desert state.

[The_Reader_David]

Washington nursing home with coronavirus outbreak reported shocking escalation from 'no symptoms to death'

https://theweek.com/speedreads/900862/washington-nursing-home-coronavirus-outbreak-reported-shocking-escalation-from-no-symptoms-death

Who knows what the truth is...

The truth is it is like the flu.  The open question is whether it's like the worst recent flu outbreaks like 2009 and 1968 (as the more rosy views from actual medical publications suggest) or like the 1918 flu, which also had rapid escalation from no symptoms to death in some cases and killed 2.8% of the world's population.  Or maybe it's not as bad as the flu, flu kills young children, too Covid-19 doesn't seem to.

[Applewood]

@Cyber Liberty

Too bad private ownership didn't work out.  My water bill is fairly reasonable -- about $20 a month.  But I likely do not have the usage you have. 

My friend in the city rents from another friend of hers and her water is included, so I don't know what the water bill is.  But some years ago, I happened to see a city water bill for a client of a firm I worked for.  Granted, this person had a wife and four children living in the home with him and his home had more bathrooms.  But his bill back then was somewhere around $500 a month.  Who knows what he pays now?

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

Too bad private ownership didn't work out.  My water bill is fairly reasonable -- about $20 a month.  But I likely do not have the usage you have. 

My friend in the city rents from another friend of hers and her water is included, so I don't know what the water bill is.  But some years ago, I happened to see a city water bill for a client of a firm I worked for.  Granted, this person had a wife and four children living in the home with him and his home had more bathrooms.  But his bill back then was somewhere around $500 a month.  Who knows what he pays now?

Bills around here were $25 or so for average users in 2012, and they are now paying about $50.  Mine is lower, because we have no landscape needing a lot of water and there are just two of us.  That makes it better for the septic system, too.  We have an acre of "Natural Desert" landscape, and tending Manzanita and Cactus is as easy as falling off a log.  The Roadrunners and Coyotes love it.

[Gefn]

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