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Trump warned evangelical leaders of 'violence' if GOP loses midterms: report
By Brett Samuels - 08/28/18 05:03 PM EDT

President Trump reportedly told evangelical leaders at the White House on Monday that Republican losses in this year's midterms will lead to liberals "violently" overturning his administration's accomplishments for the Christian community.

"This Nov. 6 election is very much a referendum on not only me, it's a referendum on your religion, it's a referendum on free speech and the First Amendment," Trump said during a private portion of an event in the State Dining Room, according to recorded excerpts obtained by NBC News.

He added that there is an "unbelievable" amount of hatred and anger "for you and for me and for my family," partly because of what he's accomplished.

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Oh goodie, the President is taking a page from Obama and the Democrats , to stoke fear and rage among the people to attempt to garner votes.

How absolutely sickeningly pathetic.
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Violence is inevitable at this point. The only questions remaining are, who starts it, and when.

(IMHO, YMMV.)
Let it burn.

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He added that there is an "unbelievable" amount of hatred and anger "for you and for me and for my family," partly because of what he's accomplished.

No man has given more to save Christmas. 

https://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/
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Oh goodie, the President is taking a page from Obama and the Democrats , to stoke fear and rage among the people to attempt to garner votes.

How absolutely sickeningly pathetic.

I understand your point, but....

Haven't you personally been banging the "it's all over but the fighting" drum for a long time here?  That we've essentially already lost in terms of votes/politics, so you're just kind of waiting for the next phase?  And I'll grant that you've never openly advocated armed resistance, but I don't think there's any doubt that you've rather consistently implied that is not only inevitable, but ultimately desireable given the alternative?

Or have I completely misread those posts of yours?

Honest question here, because I truly thought this is one statement of Trump's with which you might actually have agreed.

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Trump say's "its a referendum on your religion"

So much for the false idea that Trump is a born again Christian.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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I understand your point, but....

Haven't you personally been banging the "it's all over but the fighting" drum for a long time here?  That we've essentially already lost in terms of votes/politics, so you're just kind of waiting for the next phase?  And I'll grant that you've never openly advocated armed resistance, but I don't think there's any doubt that you've rather consistently implied that is not only inevitable, but ultimately desireable given the alternative?

Inevitable yes.  Desirable no.

I've seen what horrors corruption and persecution bring up close and personal. 

That does not mean I hide my eyes from accepting what is coming.

Or have I completely misread those posts of yours?

Partially.  I have no faith in the failed corruptocracy to be arrested from its course via civil means.

Does not mean I look forward to the consequences which I believe are inevitable now.  The debt alone and the skyrocketing spending on credit will see to that and more.

Honest question here, because I truly thought this is one statement of Trump's with which you might actually have agreed.

I do not agree with leaders stoking bloodshed and violence to achieve ends.  Our own Founders eschewed it and demonstrated it is destructive to the cause they sought.  Crap like this from Trump and what the Left spews daily will give us France in the 1790's, not America in the 1770's.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Strong Warnings from the Founders

Dear Friends, One of the most remarkable observations in the study of history is the caution and warnings that are always given by Founders of great civilizations. It seems that those who lay foundations for great civilizations are quite aware of the seeds of pride, selfishness, and contention in human nature which over time usually begin to manifest themselves in society--even good societies. These Founders, realizing the tendency of human nature to degenerate, have always closed their public ministries with solemn warnings of the dire consequences of departing from the lofty ideals they established. Moses gave the children of Israel the most sublime principles of government and human behavior, which would have led them to the most prosperous society ever. But he seemed to know that after his departure it would be difficult to hold. No doubt he knew from personal experiences that the Israelites would soon depart from his inspired counsel. He said: "For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?" (Deuteronomy 31:27) He even predicted that they would eventually fall from being the most prosperous and blessed nation on earth into a state of slavery, devoured by other nations, and losing the great blessings of freedom. The Savior's Sermon on the Mount contained principles of human behavior which, if followed, would have created the highest level of prosperity and freedom ever seen on the face of the earth. But before His ministry was concluded, He gave direct warnings concerning the fate of those who would reject His teachings. As a result, few groups have seen more persecution in the history of the world than those who turned from His true gospel. When the American Founders set up the first free people in modern times they knew it was risky business. They all realized that any man-made institution -- even under the inspiration of the Almighty -- would be subject to foibles and human weaknesses of those who worked under its canopy. Nevertheless, these men who master-minded the United States of America had the highest aspirations for the great nation they were founding. It was only in their quiet, more somber moments that their apprehensions concerning the future of America came out in concrete phrases and words.

Strong Warnings from the Founders and Early American Leaders

Many state constitutions include words similar to what is contained in the Arizona Constitution: "A frequent recurrence to fundamental principles is essential to the security of individual rights and the perpetuity of free government." ( Arizona State Constitution , Art. II, Sec. 1) Just as we need to periodically review the principles the Founders gave us so should we periodically review the warnings they uttered about the temptation of a free people to use this freedom to give license to human weaknesses and thus pulling down a great civilization. In Dr. Skousen's  \l "", he includes a whole chapter outlining some of the most powerful warnings of the American Founders. The rest of this letter is drawn from Chapter 32 of this book giving the Founders' quotes and Dr. Skousen's comments.
The Warnings of Benjamin Franklin
Franklin served as one of the foremost architects in structuring the Constitution, and while most of the Founders were congratulating one another on their remarkable charter of liberty, Benjamin Franklin injected this note of prophetic insight. "I agree to this Constitution ... and I believe, further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other." All of this went along with Franklin's basic philosophy of sound government; namely, that no people can remain free if they become wicked and immoral. When a society decays to the point where people begin to fear for their lives and their property, the demands for a police state have always been inevitable.

The Warnings of George Washington
One of the most significant doctrines set forth in the Farewell Address was Washington's extremely insightful warning concerning the peril of allowing candidates to be nominated and national policies to be promoted by competing political parties. In fact, he prophesied exactly what would happen if the American leaders ever fell into the seductive trap of trying to run the nation with opposing parties. He said: "They serve to organize factions ... to put in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority.... "Let me ... warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party...." Almost prophetically he anticipated the encroachment of one branch of government over the others. He said: "It is important ... that ... those entrusted with its administration ... confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department any encroachment upon another.... The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create ... a real despotism." Nothing aroused the wrath of Washington more than arrogant bureaucrats actually changing the fundamental structure of government by sheer despotic assertion of administrative power. He said: "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpations; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."

The Warning of John Adams
Among the warning voices of the Founders none was more forceful in proclaiming the need for a virtuous people to make the Constitution function than John Adams. He said: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

The Warnings of Thomas Jefferson
During his two terms as President, Jefferson detected some evil and subversive trends which were luring the American people away from the original Constitution. Notice how direct he was in pointing the finger of accusation at the judiciary for corrupting the original constitutional plan: "Our government is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit, by consolidation first, and then corruption.... The engine of consolidation will be the federal judiciary; the two other branches the corrupting and corrupted instruments." In other words, the Supreme Court uses its judicial mandates to draw more and more power to Washington; then the Congress and the Executive use this new power to shatter the Constitution and corrupt the dual federalism which was designed to balance the political powers between the government and the states. Once Jefferson's distant cousin, John Marshall, became chief justice of the Supreme Court, Marshall set himself and his associates up as the "final arbiter" on all constitutional issues. Nowhere in the Constitution was the federal judiciary given the power to enforce its will on the states or the other two federal departments. Jefferson had the Supreme Court in his gun sights when he wrote: "The great object of my fear is the federal judiciary. That body, like gravity, ever acting with noiseless foot and unalarming advance, gaining ground step by step and holding what it gains, is engulfing insidiously the [state] governments into the jaws of that [federal government] which feeds them."

The Warnings of James Madison
Madison was known to be the philosophical soul-mate of Thomas Jefferson, but sometimes his contemporaries considered him somewhat paranoid and suffering from fears for the nation that would never happen. But the passing of time was to prove him more insightful than many of his contemporaries had thought. He said: "If Congress can employ money indefinitely, for the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every state, county, and parish, and pay them out of the public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, the establishing in like manner schools throughout the union; they may assume the provision of the poor.... Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America." ..............


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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Trump say's "its a referendum on your religion"

So much for the false idea that Trump is a born again Christian.

He's not a born again. He's a Prespy.

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The Warnings of George Washington
One of the most significant doctrines set forth in the Farewell Address was Washington's extremely insightful warning concerning the peril of allowing candidates to be nominated and national policies to be promoted by competing political parties. In fact, he prophesied exactly what would happen if the American leaders ever fell into the seductive trap of trying to run the nation with opposing parties. He said: "They serve to organize factions ... to put in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority.... "Let me ... warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party...." Almost prophetically he anticipated the encroachment of one branch of government over the others. He said: "It is important ... that ... those entrusted with its administration ... confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department any encroachment upon another.... The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create ... a real despotism." Nothing aroused the wrath of Washington more than arrogant bureaucrats actually changing the fundamental structure of government by sheer despotic assertion of administrative power. He said: "If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpations; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."

Washington's warning alone indicts us, and yet I hear continually from "Conservatives" that the two-party system - the binary choice - is what is necessary to preserve that which Washington himself said would destroy the Constitution.

And here we are.  Now making a man into a monarch by sheer devotion that he, and only he can save us.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775