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The Special Counsel Files A Complaint Against Manafort Judge
« on: August 09, 2018, 08:57:25 pm »
The Special Counsel Files A Complaint Against Manafort Judge

By Staff Writer | August 09, 2018 | 1:23 PM EDT

Mueller’s team is increasingly frustrated with the “cranky judge” who has rebuked the special counsel’s office on multiple occasions

Special counsel Robert Mueller filed a formal complaint against the judge presiding over Paul Manafort’s tax fraud case this week; claiming T.S. Ellis III violated protocol while ruling against the prosecution’s star witness.

According to Politico, Mueller’s team is increasingly frustrated with the “cranky judge” who has rebuked the special counsel’s office on multiple occasions.

“[T]he judge’s condescending attitude [could give] the jury the impression that the prosecution’s case is dubious,” said a former US Deputy Solicitor General. “This is an especially severe risk when the core of the case is the testimony of a co-conspirator who is admittedly a thief, liar, and embezzler. When the standard of proof is ‘beyond a reasonable doubt,’ there is no margin for error.”

“On Wednesday, Ellis was at it again, dressing down prosecutors after learning that an IRS agent they called to the stand as an expert witness had been in the courtroom for the entire trial,” writes Politico.

“I don’t care what the transcript says, maybe I made a mistake,” Ellis fumed. “When I exclude witnesses I mean everybody unless I make a special exception.”

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Re: The Special Counsel Files A Complaint Against Manafort Judge
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 10:42:37 pm »
Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming.

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2018, 10:43:46 pm »
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“[T]he judge’s condescending attitude [could give] the jury the impression that the prosecution’s case is dubious,” said a former US Deputy Solicitor General.

It is a trial brought for dubious reasons.

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2018, 10:46:48 pm »
Why do I get the feeling this is all a game for Mueller to get a more favorable judge, or something not ascertained yet?

Sometimes with him and his team it seems like games within games within games to Cloward-Piven everything into an advantage and a win.
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Re: The Special Counsel Files A Complaint Against Manafort Judge
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2018, 10:54:42 pm »
Why do I get the feeling this is all a game for Mueller to get a more favorable judge, or something not ascertained yet?

Sometimes with him and his team it seems like games within games within games to Cloward-Piven everything into an advantage and a win.

Uhhh... huh?

How does Cloward-Piven relate to this?
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2018, 11:08:38 pm »
Uhhh... huh?

How does Cloward-Piven relate to this?

You throw up so much bs that you just wear down people to give into you.

That's what it seems like they're doing in this case, particularly to the judge. He either gives in, or if he lashes out, they create more stacks of paper to find a new judge, or some favorable ruling here, or some advantage there.

A blizzard of this, or that, dragging this out or that, making things endless and ever expanding, and tons of histronics, till they get the result they want.
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 11:20:51 pm »
You throw up so much bs that you just wear down people to give into you.

That's what it seems like they're doing in this case, particularly to the judge. He either gives in, or if he lashes out, they create more stacks of paper to find a new judge, or some favorable ruling here, or some advantage there.

A blizzard of this, or that, dragging this out or that, making things endless and ever expanding, and tons of histronics, till they get the result they want.

Oh...ok....lol.   Inundation with BS (vs. with welfare leeches).   Got it.

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2018, 11:26:19 pm »
Oh...ok....lol.   Inundation with BS (vs. with welfare leeches).   Got it.

Thanks.   happy77

Sorry for the word salad, but the whole Mueller team is playing so many reindeer games at once on this whole Trump investigation that it's difficult to even get your head around it, much less describe it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2018, 11:29:06 pm »
Sorry for the word salad, but the whole Mueller team is playing so many reindeer games at once on this whole Trump investigation that it's difficult to even get your head around it, much less describe it.

You know the old saying:  "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2018, 10:52:50 am »
Raise your hand if you didn't see this coming.


The judge then apologized for the action over which the motion was filed.  Still got your hand up?


"It appears I may well have been wrong," Ellis said as the trial went into its eighth day. "But like any human, and this robe doesn't make me anything other than human, I sometimes make mistakes."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-judge-apologizes-prosecutors-former-trump-aide-manaforts-030341120.html


They filed a motion Thursday saying the tongue-lashing could be prejudicial to their case — and asked for the judge to explain that he had been wrong.

“While mistakes are a natural part of the trial process, the mistake here prejudiced the government by conveying to the jury that the government had acted improperly and had violated court rules or procedures,” prosecutors wrote.


https://nypost.com/2018/08/09/judge-apologizes-to-manafort-prosecutors-for-yelling-at-them/amp/
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Re: The Special Counsel Files A Complaint Against Manafort Judge
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2018, 06:10:25 pm »
How to lose a case 101.

File a complaint against the judge who is hearing your case.

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2018, 06:50:23 pm »
He’s presiding.  The jury will determine guilty or not guilty.  The only direct input he will have on the outcome is during sentencing.
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