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Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« on: July 16, 2018, 11:44:23 pm »
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David P. Goldman
July 16, 2018

President Trump offended the entire political spectrum with a tweet this morning blaming the U.S. for poor relations with Russia. “Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity,” the president said, and he is entirely correct. By this I do not mean to say that Russia is a beneficent actor in world affairs or that President Putin is an admirable world leader. Nonetheless, the president displayed both perspicacity and political courage when he pointed the finger at the United States for mismanaging the relationship with Russia.

Full disclosure: I was a card-carrying member of the neoconservative cabal that planned to bring Western-style democracy and free markets to Russia after the fall of Communism. As chief economist for the supply-side consulting firm Polyconomics, I got an appointment as an adviser to Boris Yeltsin’s finance ministry and made several trips to Moscow. Of course, the finance ministry really was a family office for Yeltsin’s oligarch friends, who were too busy stealing Russia’s economy to listen to advice. The experience cured me of the neoconservative delusion that democracy and free markets are the natural order of things.

Unfortunately, the delusion that the United States would remake Russia in its own image persisted through the Bush and Obama administrations. I have no reason to doubt the allegations that a dozen Russian intelligence officers meddled in the U.S. elections of 2016, but this was equivalent of a fraternity prank compared to America’s longstanding efforts to intervene in Russian politics.

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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 12:40:25 pm »
Oh God... am I in 2016 again where every Trump misstep is going to be met with a barrage of propaganda insisting Trump is a brilliant genius and everyone else is a hater?
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 03:04:47 pm »
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 03:07:01 pm »
Sorry but he lost me with these words "after the fall of communism" .  Stopped reading right then and there.
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 03:08:17 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on July 17, 2018, 12:40:25 pm
Oh God... am I in 2016 again where every Trump misstep is going to be met with a barrage of propaganda insisting Trump is a brilliant genius and everyone else is a hater?


You may hear applause for Trump's actions with Russia among
other things.

If I were you, I'd stock the bunker.

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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 03:18:07 pm »
You knew it wouldn't be just "right"....it has to be magnificently right, or supremely omnipotently right, lol.
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 03:19:20 pm »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on July 17, 2018, 03:18:07 pm
You knew it wouldn't be just "right"....it has to be magnificently right, or supremely omnipotently right, lol.

So what if it isn't "right", at least Trump is trying a different approach, maybe it will work, maybe it won't, but what's the harm in trying?
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 03:20:58 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on July 17, 2018, 12:40:25 pm
Oh God... am I in 2016 again where every Trump misstep is going to be met with a barrage of propaganda insisting Trump is a brilliant genius and everyone else is a hater?

Some of us don't think it was a misstep. Can you explain to me what value Trump yelling at Putin on the dais would accomplish?
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 03:23:50 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on July 17, 2018, 12:40:25 pm
Oh God... am I in 2016 again where every Trump misstep is going to be met with a barrage of propaganda insisting Trump is a brilliant genius and everyone else is a hater?

Yes

More proof Trump is God.
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 03:25:16 pm »
Quote from: dfwgator on July 17, 2018, 03:19:20 pm
So what if it isn't "right", at least Trump is trying a different approach, maybe it will work, maybe it won't, but what's the harm in trying?

@dfwgator

I think I could safely bet all of my money that you weren't saying this when Obama made his apology tour.

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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 03:26:23 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on July 17, 2018, 03:23:50 pm
Yes

More proof Trump is God.

I thought Clapton is God.
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2018, 03:26:59 pm »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on July 17, 2018, 03:25:16 pm
@dfwgator

I think I could safely bet all of my money that you weren't saying this when Obama made his apology tour.

And you'd be right, because I knew what Obama's motives were, as opposed to Trump's.
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 03:27:33 pm »
Quote from: dfwgator on July 17, 2018, 03:19:20 pm
So what if it isn't "right", at least Trump is trying a different approach, maybe it will work, maybe it won't, but what's the harm in trying?

Especially since....

the very definition of insanity... is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different (better) results.   ^-^
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2018, 03:29:13 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on July 17, 2018, 03:23:50 pm
Yes

More proof Trump is God.

Nope.  Definitely not God.  But.... perhaps he is a tool that God is using right now.  Draw your own conclusions as to what the end result/purpose might be.   :laugh:
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2018, 03:34:59 pm »
Quote from: dfwgator on July 17, 2018, 03:26:59 pm
And you'd be right, because I knew what Obama's motives were, as opposed to Trump's.

@dfwgator

Lolol
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2018, 04:05:34 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on July 17, 2018, 03:20:58 pm
Some of us don't think it was a misstep. Can you explain to me what value Trump yelling at Putin on the dais would accomplish?


It would thrill the Military Committee chairmen, the big military suppliers,, the generals and admirals.

It would reassure the EU/NATO we would continue spending our treasure, so they didn't have to.

Which side is Turkey on, BTW.

Let's make one-on-one defense pacts, with those unable but willing to defend themselves. Poland, Hungary, Baltics etc..

Let Germany France go their own way, to reap the whirlwind  of their muslim hordes.
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2018, 04:08:57 pm »
Right now, I'm a hell of a lot more worried about Turkey than Russia.  They've got millions of Muslim fifth-columnists spread throughout Europe ready to fight for them.   They haven't forgotten "The Battle of Vienna".
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Re: Once Again, President Trump Is Magnificently Right—This Time About Russia
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2018, 04:49:20 pm »
Quote from: dfwgator on July 17, 2018, 04:08:57 pm
Right now, I'm a hell of a lot more worried about Turkey than Russia.  They've got millions of Muslim fifth-columnists spread throughout Europe ready to fight for them.   They haven't forgotten "The Battle of Vienna".

Exactly. Not to mention the Turks in Germany.
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