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The American Bar Association’s president warned the Trump administration and Congress to stay out of the way of the independent counsel’s probe of the Trump campaign, saying people are trying to use “intimidation tactics” to derail the investigation.

ABA President Hilarie Bass said the nature of American democracy depends on Mr. Mueller being able to get to the bottom of what happened surrounding the 2016 election.

And guess who dear “Hillarie” Bass is?  The lawyer that led the fight to successfully allow gays to adopt children in Florida.

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Hilarie has successfully represented high-profile corporate clients in jury and non-jury trials involving hundreds of millions of dollars in controversy. She has worked and settled more than 100 cases, tried more than 20 cases to conclusion, and argued numerous appeals. In recognition of that success, she was inducted into The American College of Trial Lawyers. Hilarie is also widely recognized for her pro bono work on behalf of two foster children that led to the elimination and declaration as unconstitutional Florida’s 20-year-old ban on gay adoption.

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Methinks I smell yet another rat.



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Investigation into what?

I have yet to hear one piece of evidence supporting the necessity to launch an investigation, not one. How did the Russians tamper with the 2016 election? What did they or Donald Trump do? Examples please!

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Investigation into what?

I have yet to hear one piece of evidence supporting the necessity to launch an investigation, not one. How did the Russians tamper with the 2016 election? What did they or Donald Trump do? Examples please!

Mueller has receipts that Donny had Borscht at the Russian Tea Room on July 18th 2016. He also wrote it off as a business expense when he was alone and clearly enjoyed the meal.

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Investigation into what?

I have yet to hear one piece of evidence supporting the necessity to launch an investigation, not one. How did the Russians tamper with the 2016 election? What did they or Donald Trump do? Examples please!

It is believed by the US Intelligence Community that Russian operatives hacked into Democratic e-mails and released them to WikiLeaks and that this reflected poorly on the DNC and Hillary.  This included 60K John Podesta e-mails.  It’s believed that these hacks were performed by both the Russian FSB spy agency and another group from Russian military intelligence.  There is also evidence that entities connected to the Russian government were bankrolling "troll farms" that spread fake news about Clinton.  In addition, Russian bots retweeted 470K candidate Trump’s tweets.  Over 3800 twitter accounts had links to a Russia propaganda organization, the Internet Research Agency.   There are lots and lots of articles out describing this interference and influence by Russian operators.  I've included 3, but there many out there.

Since this was largely to Trump's benefit, I don't think it's unreasonable to question if the Trump campaign had any coordination with the Russians on this (especially in light of all the meetings with Russians which Team Trump couldn't remember, the meetings they failed to initially put on security forms, their attempts to mislead the public on the famous Trump Tower Meeting with Russia, etc.).  Having said all that, I have consistently said I would be surprised if there's any substantive "collusion" and/or coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians.  JMO.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-bots-retweeted-trump-470000-times-2016-election/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/16/qa-russian-hackers-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-us-presidential-election
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Mueller has receipts that Donny had Borscht at the Russian Tea Room on July 18th 2016. He also wrote it off as a business expense when he was alone and clearly enjoyed the meal.


Yes, but the crime was he ordered the borscht well done and ate it with a fork.
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If the ABA doesn't like it it has to be something very good!
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It is believed by the US Intelligence Community that Russian operatives hacked into Democratic e-mails and released them to WikiLeaks and that this reflected poorly on the DNC and Hillary.  This included 60K John Podesta e-mails.  It’s believed that these hacks were performed by both the Russian FSB spy agency and another group from Russian military intelligence.  There is also evidence that entities connected to the Russian government were bankrolling "troll farms" that spread fake news about Clinton.  In addition, Russian bots retweeted 470K candidate Trump’s tweets.  Over 3800 twitter accounts had links to a Russia propaganda organization, the Internet Research Agency.   There are lots and lots of articles out describing this interference and influence by Russian operators.  I've included 3, but there many out there.

Since this was largely to Trump's benefit, I don't think it's unreasonable to question if the Trump campaign had any coordination with the Russians on this (especially in light of all the meetings with Russians which Team Trump couldn't remember, the meetings they failed to initially put on security forms, their attempts to mislead the public on the famous Trump Tower Meeting with Russia, etc.).  Having said all that, I have consistently said I would be surprised if there's any substantive "collusion" and/or coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians.  JMO.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-bots-retweeted-trump-470000-times-2016-election/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/16/qa-russian-hackers-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-us-presidential-election

At what point in the timeline of this "investigation" would one reasonably expect a progress report; for the good of the country?

Have you heard that Russia has a history of meddling in elections?

Have you heard the Presidents protestations, of no collusion to be found?

In view of the corruption in the FBI d you think it is possible this Mueller thing, is just another chapter in the left's plan to nullify the election with noise, flak, continual obstruction of their own?



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If the ABA doesn't like it it has to be something very good!

What's wrong with you? ABA is awesome!


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At what point in the timeline of this "investigation" would one reasonably expect a progress report; for the good of the country?  I have no expectation of a progress report to the American people until the investigation is concluded. 

Have you heard that Russia has a history of meddling in elections?  Yes

Have you heard the Presidents protestations, of no collusion to be found?  Yes

In view of the corruption in the FBI d you think it is possible this Mueller thing, is just another chapter in the left's plan to nullify the election with noise, flak, continual obstruction of their own?  Possible?  Of course.  Probable?  EXTREMELY unlikely IMO.  I trust Mueller.

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It is believed by the US Intelligence Community that Russian operatives hacked into Democratic e-mails and released them to WikiLeaks and that this reflected poorly on the DNC and Hillary.  This included 60K John Podesta e-mails.  It’s believed that these hacks were performed by both the Russian FSB spy agency and another group from Russian military intelligence.  There is also evidence that entities connected to the Russian government were bankrolling "troll farms" that spread fake news about Clinton.  In addition, Russian bots retweeted 470K candidate Trump’s tweets.  Over 3800 twitter accounts had links to a Russia propaganda organization, the Internet Research Agency.   There are lots and lots of articles out describing this interference and influence by Russian operators.  I've included 3, but there many out there.

Since this was largely to Trump's benefit, I don't think it's unreasonable to question if the Trump campaign had any coordination with the Russians on this (especially in light of all the meetings with Russians which Team Trump couldn't remember, the meetings they failed to initially put on security forms, their attempts to mislead the public on the famous Trump Tower Meeting with Russia, etc.).  Having said all that, I have consistently said I would be surprised if there's any substantive "collusion" and/or coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians.  JMO.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-bots-retweeted-trump-470000-times-2016-election/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/16/qa-russian-hackers-vladimir-putin-donald-trump-us-presidential-election


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The spin was utterly bogus. Democrats on the intelligence committee cherry-picked a few Michigan and Wisconsin-focused ads and falsely presented them as representative of the entire batch. A few days later, the Washington Examiner’s Byron York wrote a corrective article that utterly shot holes in CNN’s conspiracy theories.

Using information from Facebook and government officials, reported by York and Bump, we now know that:

The 3,000 ads in question were not sophisticated whatsoever. They were mostly written in broken English, and most of the ad-views occurred after the election (while nobody saw 25 percent of the rest). Ten million people saw the ads, but only about 5 million saw the ads before the election, and most of these views occurred in 2015.
The vast majority of the ads didn’t mention voting, or any specific politician or political party. They mostly covered divisive cultural issues, such as immigration or the Black Lives Matter group.
Only about a quarter of the ads were geographically targeted (relatively easy to do on Facebook’s ad service), and more targeted ads ran in 2015 than in 2016. The targeted ads were all over the map, with many running in non-battleground states. A statement from Sen. Richard Burr’s office (R-NC) notes that five times more ads were targeted at Maryland than Wisconsin (262 to 55), and that “35 of the 55 ads targeted at Wisconsin ran prior to the Wisconsin primary – before there was an identified Republican candidate…” Not one of those 55 Wisconsin ads mentioned Trump by name.
The three most heavily targeted states were Maryland, Missouri, and New York, all relatively safe wins for one political party. Washington DC, whose electoral votes always go Democrat in recent years, received more ads than did Pennsylvania, a politically contested state.
Of the ads that more than one person saw, only about a dozen targeted the contested states of Michigan and Wisconsin, and most of these ads ran in 2015. Of the ads that were seen, the majority were seen by fewer than 1,000 people. Most of the Michigan and Wisconsin ads were less than $10 buys.
The total ad-spend for Wisconsin was $1,979, and all but $54 was spent before the primary in early 2016. The ad-spend in Michigan was $823. In Pennsylvania it was $300. More than five times the money spent on these states was spent in California.
Moreover, the Russian ads Facebook turned over contained “clickbait-type ads that had nothing to do with politics,” according to a government official familiar with the ads. This raises the question as to whether all of these ads were even run by the Russian government, or by Russians trying to make money on the Internet.

Never Let Facts Ruin a Good Story
But Democrats weren’t about to let facts get in the way of advancing their collusion narrative. The House Intelligence Committee released their cherry-picked examples of “Russian Facebook ads” in November.


Quite an interesting read.  http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/18/house-intel-committee-democrats-started-false-russia-facebook-story/
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The 3,000 ads in question were not sophisticated whatsoever. They were mostly written in broken English....


The big tipoff was, polls say “big trouble for Hillary and Squirrel.”
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Answers to your questions in red above.

I do not trust Mueller.

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