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I am sure that everyone knows there are three branches of government.  The problem is Trump himself isn't pushing his own agenda.  Has he even pressure for the fence?  Don't see it.

What you are saying is that Trump is a lame President because he doesn't have the support of either Congress or Senate.  You are excusing him completely and I have not even seen a fight from him on the fence.  If he had it in him it would be posted on his twitter.

Sorry but that is not the most rational of posts.  I'm sure I've seen you complaining of Trump's tweets.  If not, I apologize.  But now ... you're wanting him to tweet about the fence.

Trump has done more concrete things than twit about getting at least a partial fence.  He has taken bids from contractors, etc.  Right now, Congress has failed to allot the money.  No President can allot the money.  It's one of our checks and balances in the Constitution.
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I blame those who nominated Trump over a better man.

I blame NO ONE who voted for Trump in the general election. Personally, I have no regrets - I knew what I was getting and still voted for him over Hillary. And I'd do it again today.

Me, too.  It's called common sense. 
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So news today that Congress may cancel their normal August "recess" and stay to complete legislation, is ignored while the perpetual nonstop ranting about Trump proceeds?

Trump AND AND AND GOP Congress critters have promised to repeal/replace Obamacare, to cut the federal budget, to reduce taxes, to enact tort reform, to reduce govt. regulations, and many other items.

It seems to be the GOP CONGRESS CONGRESS CONGRESS that is failing.



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So news today that Congress may cancel their normal August "recess" and stay to complete legislation, is ignored while the perpetual nonstop ranting about Trump proceeds?

Trump AND AND AND GOP Congress critters have promised to repeal/replace Obamacare, to cut the federal budget, to reduce taxes, to enact tort reform, to reduce govt. regulations, and many other items.

It seems to be the GOP CONGRESS CONGRESS CONGRESS that is failing.

I guess I missed you posting that story in politics or national news...let me go look for it so I can comment.
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I guess I missed you posting that story in politics or national news...let me go look for it so I can comment.

It was already posted at 11:06 am, by somebody else.
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This is a vapid argument @libertybele  The point has been made repeatedly right here on this forum that Donald Trump the candidate understood the workings of government (albeit the point is made as a slam against him).

This is why the President chose old-time experts on "the functionality of government" to assist and work directly with Congress to advance his agenda:  Mike Pence and Reince Priebus.  And this, IMO, was the right move.

The problem is simple:  The Republican caucus is filled with renegades incapable of joining together to govern:  Conservatives, NeverTrumpers, deep state hostages, center-lefts .... each in their own way an obstructionist with an all or nothing mentality.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:  Democrats know who their enemy is and fight them. Republicans do not and fight each other. Democrats are willing to advance in this war one inch at a time.  Republicans refuse to.

So, please, don't blame the President for a Republican Party that has long believed failure is a badge of righteousness.  Help him change it.

@Right_in_Virginia Exactly.  I hate to say it, but Democrats are smarter than Conservatives.  They see the endgame and know what it takes to get what they want.  Conservatives want it all their way all the time or they take their toys and go home.  They'd rather see Karl Marx in power than have the temerity to go ten yards at a time to get the ball over the goal line.  Consequently, the America we grew up with is permanently lost because we aren't willing to do what it takes to get her back.
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This is a vapid argument @libertybele  The point has been made repeatedly right here on this forum that Donald Trump the candidate understood the workings of government (albeit the point is made as a slam against him).

This is why the President chose old-time experts on "the functionality of government" to assist and work directly with Congress to advance his agenda:  Mike Pence and Reince Priebus.  And this, IMO, was the right move.

The problem is simple:  The Republican caucus is filled with renegades incapable of joining together to govern:  Conservatives, NeverTrumpers, deep state hostages, center-lefts .... each in their own way an obstructionist with an all or nothing mentality.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:  Democrats know who their enemy is and fight them. Republicans do not and fight each other. Democrats are willing to advance in this war one inch at a time.  Republicans refuse to.

So, please, don't blame the President for a Republican Party that has long believed failure is a badge of righteousness.  Help him change it.

Whether the point has been made or not, it is my opinion that Trump did not know the functionality of government and his selection of Pence and especially Priebus were a huge mistake.  Secondly, I am not blaming the President for the 'state' of the Republican Party rather, I thought I made it quite clear I am blaming in part the Republican Party for the shortcomings of Trump fulfilling his campaign promises.
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Whether the point has been made or not, it is my opinion that Trump did not know the functionality of government and his selection of Pence and especially Priebus were a huge mistake.  Secondly, I am not blaming the President for the 'state' of the Republican Party rather, I thought I made it quite clear I am blaming in part the Republican Party for the shortcomings of Trump fulfilling his campaign promises.

We got that already.  You're blaming everyone but Trump for lying about his immigration policy.
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Ann Coulter Turns Against Trump Over Border Wall: 'I Thought He'd Help OUR Country'



Ann is not a fool,  so I assume she is speaking out now to put pressure on Trump.    I am not ready to throw in the towel just because Establishment Washington and their Media lapdogs are short circuiting his agenda with made up nonsense and it is currently halted. 


I believe that in the fullness of time,  progress is going to get made regarding the wall and other parts of his agenda.   


But it doesn't hurt for Ann to keep up the pressure. 

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Ann is a has-been trying to stay relevant.  She and her little buddy Drudge jumped on the Trump bandwagon early but now she's not getting enough press so she's going this route.


That's a rather mean attack,  and for no worthwhile purpose that I can see.   


I think Ann is using what influence she has to renew pressure on Trump to wake up and start swinging again,   and I don't think it's a bad thing. 


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In all fairness, they do have to do their part to make it happen over in Congress.



And there's the rub. 

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He did promise it. That was a big part of the sales pitch. No wall is like getting that 600hp muscle car only to find someone stuffed in a Yugo engine instead.


Trump will either build that wall,  or he will not get a second term,   and even worse from his perspective,  he will go down in History as a failure.    I think Ann is tweaking his nose to rouse some anger,  and give him a little fire in the belly.   


I'm thinking that he could perhaps issue orders that the US Army will immediately set up camps and patrols near known border crossing areas.   


The reasoning behind this is to get those troops and their families bitching about the government not doing anything to solve the problem other than have them doing this drudge work.   


Get enough people bitching (and their are troops from all the different states)  and you can perhaps start getting pressure applied to congress to "build the damn wall!" 


Treat it like it's a serious enough issue to call for military intervention,  and perhaps people will start looking at it seriously. 


In any case,  it is within his powers to do this,  and it should result in pressure on Congress. 


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Trump will either build that wall,  or he will not get a second term,   and even worse from his perspective,  he will go down in History as a failure.    I think Ann is tweaking his nose to rouse some anger,  and give him a little fire in the belly.   


I'm thinking that he could perhaps issue orders that the US Army will immediately set up camps and patrols near known border crossing areas.   


The reasoning behind this is to get those troops and their families bitching about the government not doing anything to solve the problem other than have them doing this drudge work.   


Get enough people bitching (and their are troops from all the different states)  and you can perhaps start getting pressure applied to congress to "build the damn wall!" 


Treat it like it's a serious enough issue to call for military intervention,  and perhaps people will start looking at it seriously. 


In any case,  it is within his powers to do this,  and it should result in pressure on Congress.

A heavy human presence in the areas where the most illegal crossings would be a big help. Even stricter enforcement, i.e., deportations, another one.
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A heavy human presence in the areas where the most illegal crossings would be a big help. Even stricter enforcement, i.e., deportations, another one.


I think not only would it spur congress to act,   it would have an effect on people trying to cross the border by scaring them away from the idea.   


I want to make it clear that I am not advocating that the military shoot anyone,  unless of course it becomes necessary,    but I think if they capture and hold people for deportation,   it will have a suppressive effect on illegal immigration. 


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We got that already.  You're blaming everyone but Trump for lying about his immigration policy.

Big difference between an 'immigration policy' and building the wall. It is my understanding that deportations are up.  He tried via e.o. to stop terrorists from coming into this country and the district courts put a halt to that plan, not once, but twice. There are 535 members of Congress and 1 President and they have done nothing to assist him in that agenda; quite the opposite. 435 members of Congress hold the purse strings.  Money that was allocated in the budget are for repairs to portions of the existing wall.  It is my understanding that the language in the budget denies any further allocation of $$ for a future wall.  So ... you tell me ... who do you think is responsible for failing to build the wall??

Yes, Trump made a campaign promise; the promise of building a wall is what launched his campaign and ultimately got him elected.  I am not denying that. However, we cannot ignore the fact that Congress denied him funding. As I had stated previously, he has taken bids and listened to ideas and suggestions on how to get funding to build that wall.  In your opinion (and I am being sincere), what more can he be doing to fulfill his promise? I've never been a Trump fan; far from it.  However, it is blatantly obvious to me, he is to a certain extent being railroaded by members of his own party.  I think it also should be noted, that if he doesn't succeed and the RINO's and the left succeed in ousting him what the chain of succession looks like.
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Whether the point has been made or not, it is my opinion that Trump did not know the functionality of government and his selection of Pence and especially Priebus were a huge mistake.  Secondly, I am not blaming the President for the 'state' of the Republican Party rather, I thought I made it quite clear I am blaming in part the Republican Party for the shortcomings of Trump fulfilling his campaign promises.

No it wasn't clear @libertybele   Why was selecting Pence to assist with Congress a big mistake?

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I think not only would it spur congress to act,   it would have an effect on people trying to cross the border by scaring them away from the idea.   


I want to make it clear that I am not advocating that the military shoot anyone,  unless of course it becomes necessary,    but I think if they capture and hold people for deportation,   it will have a suppressive effect on illegal immigration.

No holding other than the time it takes for a mug shot, fingerprinting, and maybe a swab for DNA.  Then a bus ride back to a walk through a cattle chute. I mean gate..
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Big difference between an 'immigration policy' and building the wall. It is my understanding that deportations are up.  He tried via e.o. to stop terrorists from coming into this country and the district courts put a halt to that plan, not once, but twice. There are 535 members of Congress and 1 President and they have done nothing to assist him in that agenda; quite the opposite. 435 members of Congress hold the purse strings.  Money that was allocated in the budget are for repairs to portions of the existing wall.  It is my understanding that the language in the budget denies any further allocation of $$ for a future wall.  So ... you tell me ... who do you think is responsible for failing to build the wall??

Yes, Trump made a campaign promise; the promise of building a wall is what launched his campaign and ultimately got him elected.  I am not denying that. However, we cannot ignore the fact that Congress denied him funding. As I had stated previously, he has taken bids and listened to ideas and suggestions on how to get funding to build that wall.  In your opinion (and I am being sincere), what more can he be doing to fulfill his promise? I've never been a Trump fan; far from it.  However, it is blatantly obvious to me, he is to a certain extent being railroaded by members of his own party.  I think it also should be noted, that if he doesn't succeed and the RINO's and the left succeed in ousting him what the chain of succession looks like.

Why does he need a Congressional budget for it when he said he was going to make Mexico pay for it? (Only moderately sarcastic)

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Sorry but that is not the most rational of posts.  I'm sure I've seen you complaining of Trump's tweets.  If not, I apologize.  But now ... you're wanting him to tweet about the fence.

Trump has done more concrete things than twit about getting at least a partial fence.  He has taken bids from contractors, etc.  Right now, Congress has failed to allot the money.  No President can allot the money.  It's one of our checks and balances in the Constitution.

Oh, you know I have complained about Trumps twitter rants.  What is illogical?  I said he tweets about things important to him.  He hasn't been tweeting about how Congress didn't fund the wall.  Nothing illogical about it.  He's a whiner on twitter.  Haven't seen him whine a bit about border wall.  I am sorry but patching the existing fence does nothing.

I am only a couple states away from the drug cartel business.  Includes helping terrorists pass into the United States.  Drug smuggling, human trafficking, rape, murder, violent gangs, beheadings.  Human dismemberment.  Not just dismemberment but bodies hacked up leaving only the torso.  You want to live with that?
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Why does he need a Congressional budget for it when he said he was going to make Mexico pay for it? (Only moderately sarcastic)

Sarcasm now, but people believed him.  They packed stadiums to hear about how Trump was going to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it.  Then he went whining to Congress who are sold out to the illegal job market.  Either that or the Hispanic vote.
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Sarcasm now, but people believed him.  They packed stadiums to hear about how Trump was going to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it.

And they believed that someone who made a fortune in the construction business would actually want to curtail immigration of construction workers from Mexico.
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And they believed that someone who made a fortune in the construction business would actually want to curtail immigration of construction workers from Mexico.

Bingo.
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I blame those who nominated Trump over a better man.

I blame NO ONE who voted for Trump in the general election. Personally, I have no regrets - I knew what I was getting and still voted for him over Hillary. And I'd do it again today.

I can't argue with that for the most part. We had a rare opportunity and we foolishly flushed it down the toilet. That is the thing that makes me most angry about the whole situation. It didn't have to be this way.

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The FACT is that illegal immigration is down.   Trump IS making a difference.

And yet it's never enough.   Incremental progress means nothing to the self-righteous.   Trump's "broken his promise",  and is to be condemned for it.

I love RIV's phrase "the righteousness of failure".   Let that be our reward.  Liberalism will return, as soon as the next election,  and things will be back to back to the way they were.   
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The FACT is that illegal immigration is down.   Trump IS making a difference.

Reducing a rate, but the net flux is still inward.  We're not gaining ground; we're just losing a bit less quickly.

He could stop Obama's Executive amnesty,  but hasn't.  He could fill positions, but hasn't. He could stop the toxic environment he creates, but won't.

I agree with you that we must accept what's possible. But you can't get a hit just standing there taking strikes without swinging the bat.  It's not leadership to blame Congress when you're not doing your part--and that's what he's doing.
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