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The intelligence community is the most-entrenched bureaucracy of government. Does it answer to any president?
By Nick Gillespie
http://reason.com/blog/2017/02/15/is-michael-flynns-resignation-a-sign-of/print

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Like Scott Shackford, I'm pro-leaks about government activities, especially when they serve to reveal covert
actions and limit the power of the state. Revelations by the likes of William Binney, Chelsea Manning, and Edward
Snowden
have all served this purpose even as they have proved catastrophic (in various degrees) to the leakers
themselves.

The resignation of President Trump's national security adviser, Michael Flynn, after it became clear he lied about
contact with the Russian ambassador before Trump's inauguration, is not so cut-and-dried, though. According to all
reports, transcripts of calls involving Flynn showed considerable contact between Flynn and Russian state actors.
Flynn was ostensibly cashiered because he lied to Vice President Mike Pence, which is a good-enough reason to can
any employee. But as Eli Lake writes at Bloomberg View, that explanation is hardly convincing for an administration
that is constantly bullshitting about everything from the size of the president's crowds to his business acumen.
Something more is at work here, says Lake, and attention must be paid:

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It's not even clear that Flynn lied. He says in his resignation letter that he did not deliberately
leave out elements of his conversations with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak when he recounted
them to Vice President Mike Pence. The New York Times and Washington Post reported that the
transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend by the White House could be read different
ways. One White House official with knowledge of the conversations told me that the Russian
ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn responded that the Trump team would
be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy and sanctions. That's neither
illegal nor improper....

Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government
secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored
by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of
anonymity. This is what police states do.

In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities of
U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence
reports). John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in
2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State
for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term. The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations
with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.

Hopefully those conversations will be made public so that Americans can decide for themselves whether Flynn crossed
various lines (Democrats are calling for the release). In the meantime, what we're left with is a pretty fearsome display
of power by "deep state" actors in the intelligence community (IC) who were clearly threatened by Flynn, a temperamentally
off would-be reformer of IC practices who had been fired by President Obama. Whether that amounts to what Lake calls
"a political assassination" and Damon Linker calls a "soft coup" at The Week is open to debate. But one thing that seems
pretty clear is that what we are witnessing is a clash between two major sources of power within the government—the
executive branch and the IC—at war with each other. Lake again:

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In normal times, the idea that U.S. officials entrusted with our most sensitive secrets would selectively
disclose them to undermine the White House would alarm those worried about creeping authoritarianism.
Imagine if intercepts of a call between Obama's incoming national security adviser and Iran's foreign
minister leaked to the press before the nuclear negotiations began? The howls of indignation would be
deafening.

Even before he took office, Donald Trump had inspired massive leaks by bureaucrats throughout the government. In any
given case, the leaks might simply serve the purpose of threatened lifers who are trying to undercut a CEO-style president
with no experience and little regard for conventional practices. When Trump announced plans to cut the federal work force
(with regrettably large exceptions for defense-related and other personnel), the legacy media, itself an adjunct of the deep
state in many ways, responded with tales of anxious and heroic government workers who might have to pound the pavement
looking for new jobs.

But in the aggregate, the leaks inspired by Trump taking office serve the useful function of making visible the deep state
and the permanent government in Washington that persists regardless of which party holds the White House and Congress.
On the surface, that's demoralizing to those of us who are interested in shrinking the size, scope, and spending of government.
It's the old "you can't fight City Hall" line extrapolated to the nth degree. Trump will almost certainly gain fuller control of
government agencies once he purges Obama loyalists and folks interested in crippling his administration's ability to set its
own agenda. But in the meantime, the "unprecedented" volume of leaks serve an ironic function against the people making
them: They show the extent to which bureaucrats are dug in and willing to go to almost any length to maintain a status quo
that is plainly not working not working for taxpayers and citizens. The government is deeply in debt due to persistent, high
levels of spending, foreign policy in the 21st century has simply lurched from disaster to the next, the intel community has
been exposed repeatedly for unauthorized and unaccountable surveillance, and more. Donald Trump's agenda, which veers
clearly towards authoritarianism and paranoid secrecy in many ways, is forcing the deep state to make itself visible, which
is a necessary (though not sufficient) step in cutting it down to size.


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If no calls or contacts were made with Russian intelligence activists there would be NO leaks.

Keep the facts in  mind when spinning excuses or blame.

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If no calls or contacts were made with Russian intelligence activists there would be NO leaks.

Keep the facts in  mind when spinning excuses or blame.

I know they sure didn't care how the Clinton emails were leaked.

Karma is indeed an SOB

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If no calls or contacts were made with Russian intelligence activists there would be NO leaks.

Experience teaches that leaks do not live by calls or contacts with Russian intelligence activists alone.

From the article cited by the Reason writer:

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[L]ast month Sally Yates, then the acting attorney general, had informed the White
House that Flynn discussed sanctions with Kislyak and that he could be susceptible to blackmail
because he misled Pence about it. If it was the lie to Pence that sunk Flynn, why was he not
fired at the end of January?

A better explanation here is that Flynn was just thrown under the bus. His tenure as national
security adviser, the briefest in U.S. history, was rocky from the start. When Flynn was attacked
in the media for his ties to Russia, he was not allowed by the White House to defend himself.
Over the weekend, he was instructed not to speak to the press when he was in the fight for his
political life. His staff was not even allowed to review the transcripts of his call to the Russian
ambassador.

I suspect something deeper and more disturbing happening. And it may only begin with Flynn
being thrown under the proverbial bus instead of just a cut-and-dried firing for wrongdoing,
since the Lake article points out he could have (should have?) been canned at once when it
came to light inside the White House, not almost a month later. There seems more to this
than meets the eye. Hopefully we learn soon enough.

Ponder this, too, from an essay by John Podhoretz being discussed on another thread:

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Flynn’s ouster after three weeks is proof positive he should never have been
given the national security adviser job in the first place. Flynn’s deceits about his
conversations with a Russian official cannot be viewed in isolation from the overly
close relationship with the Russian government he forged following his firing by the
Obama administration in 2013.

Still, unelected bureaucrats with access to career-destroying materials clearly made
the decision that what Flynn did or who Flynn was merited their intervention — and
took their concerns to the press.

In one sense, the larger system of American checks and balances worked: The Trump
White House couldn’t ignore the Flynn problems because they went public. On the other
hand, the officials who made the problems public did so using raw information that was
in their possession for reasons we don’t yet know and may not have any right whatsoever
to know.

This information might have come because the US intelligence community has an active
interest in the Russian official to whom he talked.

Or it could have come because the FBI had been pursuing some sort of secret investigation
and had received authorization to monitor and track his calls and discussions.

If this was intelligence, the revelation of the Flynn meeting just revealed something to the
Russians we shouldn’t want revealed — which is that we were listening in on them and
doing so effectively.

And if it was an FBI investigation, then the iron principle of law enforcement — that evidence
gathered in the course of an investigation must be kept secret to protect the rights of the
American being investigated — was just put through a shredder . . .

we also know that Flynn had an antagonistic relationship with America’s intelligence agencies.
If these leaks came about not out of high principle but because officials at those agencies were
taking out a potential adversary, that is nothing more or less than a monstrous abuse of power.

And that’s true even if Flynn is guilty of something. But we can’t know if he’s guilty of something
unless he’s charged with a crime and tried in the courts. That’s how law works.

If those who fear Trump embrace antinomianism because they think he’s going to destroy our
democracy, they should stop and consider whether their zeal to stop him might be blinding them
to a different threat from the federal government that will erode our rights as citizens.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 08:19:57 pm by EasyAce »


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Experience teaches that leaks do not live by calls or contacts with Russian intelligence activists alone.

From the article cited by the Reason writer:

I suspect something deeper and more disturbing happening. And it may only begin with Flynn
being thrown under the proverbial bus instead of just a cut-and-dried firing for wrongdoing,
since the Lake article points out he could have (should have?) been canned at once when it
came to light inside the White House, not almost a month later. There seems more to this
than meets the eye. Hopefully we learn soon enough.

Its a lot bigger than Flynn. Its Paul Manafort, its Carter Page, even Rex Tillerson is closer to the Russians than we would ever accept from a democrat. Its team Trump lobbying for and getting a change in the GOP platform that panders to Russia and says we won't arm the Ukrainians to defend themselves. Its a Russian spy ship loitering off the east coast and Russian jets buzzing American ships. Its Russians deploying treaty banned missile systems.

And rather than dealing with any of it, its Donald Trump in another idiotic twitter fight with the media.

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Its a lot bigger than Flynn. Its Paul Manafort, its Carter Page, even Rex Tillerson is closer to the Russians than we would ever accept from a democrat. Its team Trump lobbying for and getting a change in the GOP platform that panders to Russia and says we won't arm the Ukrainians to defend themselves. Its a Russian spy ship loitering off the east coast and Russian jets buzzing American ships. Its Russians deploying treaty banned missile systems.

And rather than dealing with any of it, its Donald Trump in another idiotic twitter fight with the media.

You are right thermonuclear war with Russia is the only answer /s