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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2017, 03:04:54 pm »
Wow, these NeverTrumpers are really off the rails this morning. Every thread I go to anytime anyone disagrees with or challenges their anti-Trump cult beliefs, they go into a tizzy and start chanting their mantra.


Anyone who disagrees with my opinion "worships" Trump.
Anyone who disagrees with my opinion "worships" Trump.
Anyone who disagrees with my opinion "worships" Trump.
Anyone who disagrees with my opinion "worships" Trump.

(repeat forever)

It must be the NeverTrump cult version of a Hail Mary. But, I'm good with it. Whatever they need to make themselves feel better is fine with me.

And what about your brethren here that do nothing but complain this is an anti Trump echo chamber because we disagree with them?

Fact of the mater is that both sides whine incessantly about the other.  To what end I'm not really sure.
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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2017, 03:06:44 pm »

Yes it does..  No one wants WWIII, just can't trust Russia..

The last time I heard people squeal so much about standing up to Russia was the left when Reagan took a hardline stance with them and made it clear that we would not be pushed around.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2017, 03:07:29 pm »
These Trumpers are just trying to throw chaff into the air to distract from the fact that they can't say who McCain and Graham are trying to start WWIII with because Donald Trump hasn't told them yet.

It's not so much what Trump tweeted (seriously -- if not cut off his thumbs, at least slam them in a door?).

It's that Trump is burning his bridges before he crosses them.

Obama failed to accomplish much as president because he refused to work with Congress.  Trump looks to be doing the same thing.

One of these days, Trump's going to need to work with them.  Sorry, Donald.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2017, 03:13:19 pm »
And what about your brethren here that do nothing but complain this is an anti Trump echo chamber because we disagree with them?

Fact of the mater is that both sides whine incessantly about the other.  To what end I'm not really sure.
Because certain "Never Trumpers" have become as bad, if not worse than, "Always Trumpers".   Some people have bigger egos than President the Donald, and that's really hard to do. :whistle:

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2017, 03:27:40 pm »

That is bulls**t... Since when can we trust a nation that is being run by a former head of the KGB??

What's bullshit about it? McCain wanted us to get militarily involved with supporting ISIS in Syria. He wants us militarily involved with China in Japan. He called for us being militarily involved in the Baltic states. He called for military action against the NorKs. He called for military action against the Soviets. He called for military action in the Sudan. He called for military action in Lybia.

These are just the ones I can remember. Crazy Johnnie and his Boy Wonder Grahamnesty have called for war as a default mode for the last ten years or more. It's all they know.

BTW, we used to have relations with Putin. You have a problem with it then or are you just being your normal Trump contrarian?

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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2017, 04:05:57 pm »
Right now, I'd say the world faces a great danger in Islamic extremism; it may affect Russia more since parts of their country are Muslim and a whole lot of ISIS fighters are from the former USSR;

We've made choices in the past, yes, Russia is not the best place, the common people from what I know, the common people of Russia are the ones who suffer compared to their upper class, rich class.

If Russia were eventually welcomed into the nation of families, the plight of their middle and lower classes might be alleviated. That is the leverage I am looking at. One could make the case, they are a bit of an economic basket case.

Crimea isn't theirs but perhaps for now, as one Ukrainian said, that has to be put on the back burner, end the war on the Ukrainian front where 7 Ukrainian soldiers have just been killed in the last 3 days. Crimea does have a complex history and Khruschev signed it over to Ukraine during the reign of the USSR.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2017, 04:09:05 pm »
Because certain "Never Trumpers" have become as bad, if not worse than, "Always Trumpers".   Some people have bigger egos than President the Donald, and that's really hard to do. :whistle:

No they are equally offensive and both are pushing a lie.  Has nothing to do with ego.
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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2017, 06:28:51 pm »
What's bullshit about it? McCain wanted us to get militarily involved with supporting ISIS in Syria. He wants us militarily involved with China in Japan. He called for us being militarily involved in the Baltic states. He called for military action against the NorKs. He called for military action against the Soviets. He called for military action in the Sudan. He called for military action in Lybia.

These are just the ones I can remember. Crazy Johnnie and his Boy Wonder Grahamnesty have called for war as a default mode for the last ten years or more. It's all they know.

BTW, we used to have relations with Putin. You have a problem with it then or are you just being your normal Trump contrarian?




Was that before of after Putin invaded the nation of Georgia for no reason?


Was that before or after Putin is helping Iran building a nuclear reactor??


Was that before of after Putin is propping up Assad and doing nothing against ISIS???
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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2017, 06:30:32 pm »
Right now, I'd say the world faces a great danger in Islamic extremism; it may affect Russia more since parts of their country are Muslim and a whole lot of ISIS fighters are from the former USSR;

We've made choices in the past, yes, Russia is not the best place, the common people from what I know, the common people of Russia are the ones who suffer compared to their upper class, rich class.

If Russia were eventually welcomed into the nation of families, the plight of their middle and lower classes might be alleviated. That is the leverage I am looking at. One could make the case, they are a bit of an economic basket case.

Crimea isn't theirs but perhaps for now, as one Ukrainian said, that has to be put on the back burner, end the war on the Ukrainian front where 7 Ukrainian soldiers have just been killed in the last 3 days. Crimea does have a complex history and Khruschev signed it over to Ukraine during the reign of the USSR.


Russia is helping Iran with their Nuclear program also propping up their puppet Assad in Syria..  So they are doing squat about Islamic Extremism..
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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2017, 06:47:31 pm »

Russia is helping Iran with their Nuclear program also propping up their puppet Assad in Syria..  So they are doing squat about Islamic Extremism..

Um..... if nothing else, they're blowing the crap out of the Islamic Extremists in Syria.

But now let's be serious.  We must grant that Russia is an adversary.  However, you don't seem to recognize what Putin is doing.  It's ruthless, but it's also very effective.

Putin is re-establishing Russia as a Great Power, and is engaged in the utilitarian manner of foreign policy that characterized Great Power activities in the decades prior to the First World War.

Aside from filling the vacuum that Obama created, what the Russians are doing is in service of some rather obvious goals, using methods that worked very well for them during the Soviet era.   For example:

1.  Syria: establish a firm naval foothold in the Mediterranean, and a military presence on the Turkish frontier.  This eliminates, or at least mitigates, Turkey's control over Russian access to the Mediterranean through the Black Sea.  By propping up Assad, they effectively gain control over the country.

2.  Iran: gain access to the Persian Gulf, and also exercise influence over Iranian oil production.  Exert influence over the Iranian regime by creating a reliance on Russian experts and materials for nuclear production and military weaponry.

3.  The Russian presence in Syria and Iran puts Iraq in a subservient position, and permits a de facto land connection between Iran and Syria.  Who would stop them?

4.  Russian hegemony over the rest of the Middle East follows.  And Russian influence on Middle Eastern oil production helps their own oil and gas industry.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2017, 06:55:09 pm »

Nice try..... Russia can't be trusted. The sanctions must stay.

I agree that Russia can't be trusted. With that said however, I would put any trust in Putin before EVER trusting McCain or Lindsay. Both of those pieces of garbage are the enemy within and have proven it, siding with leftist Democrats more often than not. Those two are best unemployed but since the people of my and Lindsay's states are too stupid/gutless to vote them out, the best America can do is the oppose of any position they take the vast majority of the time.

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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2017, 06:58:24 pm »
Today's history lesson for those who find themselves in need.

Czarist Russia was an ally and trading partner of the USA for a VERY long time.  The Czars are long gone but I personally see no reason why that relationship could not be restored.  Of course, we must be careful but it can be done.

It can't be restored because Putin is more USSR than Czar, and he sees the world with the US as his biggest obstacle to rebuilding the empire

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2017, 06:59:33 pm »
I agree that Russia can't be trusted. With that said however, I would put any trust in Putin before EVER trusting McCain or Lindsay. Both of those pieces of garbage are the enemy within and have proven it, siding with leftist Democrats more often than not. Those two are best unemployed but since the people of my and Lindsay's states are too stupid/gutless to vote them out, the best America can do is the oppose of any position they take the vast majority of the time.

Not that I agree with it at all mind you, but the logic being spouted around here not all that long ago was "We know what candidate one is and don't know for sure what candidate two is..."   By that logic one would HAVE to pick Putin over either of the bobsy twins.
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« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2017, 07:00:05 pm »
The last time I heard people squeal so much about standing up to Russia was the left when Reagan took a hardline stance with them and made it clear that we would not be pushed around.

Trump wants America to be pushed around, by Putin, from behind, over and over.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2017, 07:08:23 pm »

Russia is helping Iran with their Nuclear program also propping up their puppet Assad in Syria..  So they are doing squat about Islamic Extremism..

You are aware that the forces against Assad were ISIS.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2017, 07:08:35 pm »
Trump wants America to be pushed around, by Putin, from behind, over and over.


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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2017, 07:10:46 pm »
It can't be restored because Putin is more USSR than Czar,

You treat them as if they can't co-exist, but there's no real reason why they couldn't.  There's a natural synergy between the two.

In foreign matters Putin seems to combine the cynical power projection methods of the USSR with the authoritarian impulses of the more effective Czars.  The style of political oppression within Russia probably has more in common with the late Czarist era than it does with the Stalin era.

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and he sees the world with the US as his biggest obstacle to rebuilding the empire

I'd disagree with that.  What he sees, is not so much an obstacle, as an opportunity presented by the vacuum left by Obama, coupled with more general moral weakness in the West.  The more or less disciplined military unity of the Cold War no longer exists.  It has been replaced by a sort of feckless political decadence wherein national interest is replaced by emotion and factionalism.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2017, 07:14:37 pm »
Not that I agree with it at all mind you, but the logic being spouted around here not all that long ago was "We know what candidate one is and don't know for sure what candidate two is..."   By that logic one would HAVE to pick Putin over either of the bobsy twins.

Which is why I have lost faith entirely in the intellectual honesty of my 'fellow conservatives'. Many of them are rather short on memory when it comes to their 'strongly held beliefs'. One could (and I do) say that their ethics are utterly situational, which is as far from conservatism as one gets.

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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2017, 07:19:15 pm »


I'd disagree with that.  What he sees, is not so much an obstacle, as an opportunity presented by the vacuum left by Obama, coupled with more general moral weakness in the West.

That's funny, the guy banned Christians from sharing their faith, even at home and does PR for their prostitution industry

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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2017, 07:28:04 pm »
That's funny, the guy banned Christians from sharing their faith, even at home and does PR for their prostitution industry

I didn't suggest he was a nice guy; I'm just pointing out what he's doing.  He's using a brand of national power projection that hasn't been seen for over a century; and the West no longer seems to understand it, much less to be able to respond effectively by matching power against power.

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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2017, 07:38:24 pm »
  He's using a brand of national power projection that hasn't been seen for over a century;

Oppressing his political enemies, controlling the media with an iron fist, brainwashing the masses...

This is very common nowadays, nothing new at all

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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2017, 07:38:41 pm »

Was that before of after Putin invaded the nation of Georgia for no reason?


Was that before or after Putin is helping Iran building a nuclear reactor??


Was that before of after Putin is propping up Assad and doing nothing against ISIS???

It's irrelevant. You called him out for being untrustworthy because he was ex KGB. He was ex KGB then and he was disreguarding the US then as well.

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Re: Trump accuses McCain and Graham of 'looking to start World War III'
« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2017, 07:45:30 pm »
Oppressing his political enemies, controlling the media with an iron fist, brainwashing the masses...

This is very common nowadays, nothing new at all

Well, killing opponents is kinda old-school Russia: it's never actually stopped since it was common in the Czarist era.  It's not so common among the more civilized Western nations over the past several decades, however.
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