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Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« on: January 17, 2017, 11:01:15 pm »
 Will Obama pardon Snowden?

It's unlikely, but a 2001 Clinton pardon reflected concerns about using the Espionage Act against whistleblowers.

By Josh Gerstein

01/17/17 05:03 AM EST

As backers of Edward Snowden and three other accused or convicted leakers press for clemency from President Barack Obama, there is a common refrain: the hundred-year old Espionage Act is a draconian and ill-fitting tool to pursue national security secrets leaked to the press or public.

All indications are the drive for leak-related pardons or commutations for Snowden faces an uphill battle during Obama’s dwindling days at the White House. The current wave of controversy over leaks about salacious and unverified intelligence on President-elect Donald Trump may have made the odds for clemency even longer, as Republicans call for investigations into the disclosures.

But granting a pardon in a leak case would not, strictly speaking, be unprecedented.

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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 11:19:13 pm »
At this point I wouldn't bet against it.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 11:43:21 pm »
Highly unlikely.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2017, 12:49:25 am »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 17, 2017, 11:19:13 pm
At this point I wouldn't bet against it.

Yeah, same here.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2017, 01:11:48 am »
Wouldn't you have to be convicted of something before you can be pardoned?
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2017, 01:22:15 am »
Quote from: Rivergirl on January 18, 2017, 01:11:48 am
Wouldn't you have to be convicted of something before you can be pardoned?
Richard Nixon was pardoned by Gerald Ford for as yet uncharged offenses.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2017, 01:24:05 am »
Quote from: Rivergirl on January 18, 2017, 01:11:48 am
Wouldn't you have to be convicted of something before you can be pardoned?

   you'd think @Rivergirl posters here use it as an excuse why hellary won't be pardoned, but I ask 'what was Nixon convicted of' ?
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 01:27:51 am »
BREAKING: Obama Pardons Iran Cyberattack Leaker Gen. James Cartwright

By Steve Berman  |  January 17, 2017, 05:20pm  |  @stevengberman

Suddenly, leaking classified information is in vogue and even admirable. The abject moral cowardice and duplicity of President Obama cannot be understated, pardoning those who leak classified data literally in the last 36 hours of his presidency.

The most sophisticated weaponized virus ever disclosed in the wild was Stuxnet, which the U.S. used against Iran to set back their nuclear program by a couple of years. Marine Gen. James Cartwright, former Commander of U.S. Strategic Command, and Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, pled guilty in October 2016 to lying to federal investigators looking into leaks of classified information related to Stuxnet.

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http://theresurgent.com/breaking-obama-pardons-iran-cyberattack-leaker-gen-james-cartwright/

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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2017, 01:30:54 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 18, 2017, 01:27:51 am
BREAKING: Obama Pardons Iran Cyberattack Leaker Gen. James Cartwright

By Steve Berman  |  January 17, 2017, 05:20pm  |  @stevengberman

Suddenly, leaking classified information is in vogue and even admirable. The abject moral cowardice and duplicity of President Obama cannot be understated, pardoning those who leak classified data literally in the last 36 hours of his presidency.

The most sophisticated weaponized virus ever disclosed in the wild was Stuxnet, which the U.S. used against Iran to set back their nuclear program by a couple of years. Marine Gen. James Cartwright, former Commander of U.S. Strategic Command, and Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, pled guilty in October 2016 to lying to federal investigators looking into leaks of classified information related to Stuxnet.

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http://theresurgent.com/breaking-obama-pardons-iran-cyberattack-leaker-gen-james-cartwright/

I don't remember the particulars - was this a pro- or anti- Israel thing that Cartwright did? 
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2017, 01:52:27 am »

With the pardon of Manning, it appears that Obama doesn't consider Assange's activities to be all that serious, either.

Or even the Russian hackers, if there are any. Maybe Obama would have pardoned them, too.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2017, 01:53:51 am »
  Cartwright, once was considered obummers favorite general and spoke to VP Biden about troop surge in Afghanistan, bypassing his chain of command-it was definitely anti-Israel. 

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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2017, 02:03:49 am »
Quote from: truth_seeker on January 18, 2017, 01:52:27 am
With the pardon of Manning, it appears that Obama doesn't consider Assange's activities to be all that serious, either.

Or even the Russian hackers, if there are any. Maybe Obama would have pardoned them, too.

I thought that it was a commutation of sentence.

But it does leave an open door precedent.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2017, 02:32:37 am »

Obama commutes 55-year sentence of controversial mastermind of '70s Puerto Rican terror group
BY Erin Durkin 
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Tuesday, January 17, 2017, 8:16 PM


The last imprisoned member of the Puerto Rican independence group that terrorized New York in the 1970s will be a free man in May — 20 years ahead of schedule.

President Obama granted a commutation Tuesday to FALN mastermind Oscar López Rivera, who’s served 35 years of his 55-year sentence.

During the 1970s and 80s, López Rivera was part of FALN, or Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional, a group seeking to liberate Puerto Rico from U.S. control.

FALN placed more than 130 bombs in American cities — including one in New York on Jan. 24, 1975. The explosive went off in busy Fraunces Tavern during lunch hour. Four people died, including Frank Connor, a 33-year-old father.


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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-commutes-mastermind-70s-puerto-rican-terror-group-article-1.2948866
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2017, 02:49:51 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 18, 2017, 02:32:37 am

Obama commutes 55-year sentence of controversial mastermind of '70s Puerto Rican terror group


Lay waste.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2017, 02:52:20 am »
The question is being asked,  is this just the warmup to pardoning HRC.  :nono:
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2017, 03:00:12 am »
   Al Capone, his Chicago brother, killed less people than some of these reprobates he's pardoned so far, can he pardon dead people?
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2017, 03:20:27 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 18, 2017, 03:00:12 am
   Al Capone, his Chicago brother, killed less people than some of these reprobates he's pardoned so far, can he pardon dead people?

Al Capone? PARDON AL CAPONE? Are you insane? He committed THE unpardonable sin. His sentence was too lite.
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Re: Will Obama pardon Snowden?
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2017, 03:41:22 am »
Quote from: corbe on January 18, 2017, 01:53:51 am
  Cartwright, once was considered obummers favorite general and spoke to VP Biden about troop surge in Afghanistan, bypassing his chain of command-it was definitely anti-Israel. 

@Sanguine

Thanks, that's what I thought.
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