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Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« on: October 12, 2016, 06:54:17 pm »

Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'

By Nolan D. McCaskill

10/12/16 02:09 PM EDT


Donald Trump blasted House Speaker Paul Ryan and other Republicans on Wednesday, suggesting that they’ve turned their backs on the GOP nominee because “there’s a whole sinister deal going on” behind his back.

At a rally in Ocala, Florida, Trump warned supporters “this is the last time you’ll ever have a chance to save our country.”

“It’s not gonna happen anymore. You won’t be able — the numbers will be too great. Already, the Republican nominee has a massive — a massive disadvantage, and especially when you have the leaders not putting their weight behind the people,” Trump said. “They’re not putting their weight behind the people.”

“Instead of calling me and saying, ‘Congratulations, you did a great job, you absolutely destroyed her in the debate like everybody said,’” Trump began, trailing off to boast about how Pat Buchanan called his performance against Hillary Clinton during Sunday’s debate “the single greatest debate performance in the history of presidential politics.”

“So wouldn’t you think that Paul Ryan would call and say, ‘Good going?’ In front of just about the largest for a second-night debate in the history of the country,” Trump said. “So, you know, you’d think that they’d say: ‘Great going, Don. Let’s go. Let’s beat this crook. She’s a crook. Let’s beat her. We gotta stop it.’"

But Ryan doesn’t do that, Trump lamented, floating a conspiracy about a backroom deal. “There’s a whole deal going on there,” he said. “I mean, you know, there’s a whole deal going on. We’re gonna figure it out. I always figure things out. But there’s a whole sinister deal going on.”

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2016, 06:57:45 pm »
Trump is doing his best to throw this election to Democrats

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2016, 07:00:43 pm »
Itsy bitsy's rampages against Rylan are fed by scammity and Levin.

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2016, 07:04:19 pm »
Trump is doing his best to throw this election to Democrats

I suggest we all start practicing the words "We told you so." And I suggest we remind Trump's supporters of that for the rest of their lives. They should never, EVER  be allowed to spew their excuses, nor complain about what Hillary does to us all without hearing it. They brought this disaster on us all and trashed everyone in site that refused to go along.

Pretty 'purist' of them in retrospect.
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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2016, 07:04:37 pm »
Trump is doing his best to throw this election to Democrats

Trump is a narcissist with a short temper.  Conspiracy not required.

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2016, 07:27:08 pm »
I am not a Trump fan, but I do agree with him on this one ... this stinks of  a whole lot of back room deals going on right now within the GOPe.  IMHO Ryan has a lot of 'pull' in this election and he's obviously pulling his party as well as his followers and their followers away from Trump.  That in itself is a recipe for disaster for all those candidates down ballot.  Ryan is Speaker of the GOP House of Representatives.  His bias should be towards his party; after all he himself was pressuring everyone to get on board behind the party nominee.  While I agree that what Trump stated 11 years ago on a tape was repulsive; it is very important to remember what is at stake here; the Supreme Court, the Senate and the House and the threat of Hillary and DEMS taking over ensuring that the GOP will never win another election for decades.  I'd like to know what exactly Ryan is doing to help the situation.  The only thing he's doing is encouraging people not to vote for 'his' party's nominee.  As Speaker of the House, I find that extremely troubling...especially since he himself along with a multitude of others refused to back any of the other conservatives running against Hillary and Trump during the primary.  IMHO Ryan and the rest of the GOPe are indeed handing Hillary the White House ... the notion that they can hold anything she does at bay is a joke; without the majority in the Senate she lines the Supreme court as she see fit.  The House may hold the purse strings to what she wants, but Ryan and crew haven't exactly been very successful at curtailing anything Obama has wanted and that's assuming that the GOP holds the House which I see as highly doubtful.  Why would any undecided voter, vote for the GOP when the Speaker of the House won't even back his own party??
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 07:29:43 pm by libertybele »
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2016, 07:29:49 pm »
he's been trying to destroy the GOP from the beginning

his fans said "Yes!!"

I still have no figured out how destroying the GOP stops the Democrats.... someone please tell me.

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2016, 07:30:58 pm »
Why would any undecided voter, vote for the GOP when the Speaker of the House won't even back his own party??

Trump has never backed "his own party" either. I haven't heard one time where Trump has promoted the party.

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2016, 07:43:28 pm »
Trump has never backed "his own party" either. I haven't heard one time where Trump has promoted the party.

That's been his draw from his supporters; he's an outsider.  His supporters don't want the same ole status quo in Washington and he has promised to take the party in a different direction.  If elected he will be president leading the party; it really is up to Ryan and McConnell at this point to fall in line.  As it stands now, Ryan and McConnell are already saying 'no' we're not going to go along with what the people want.  Just weeks before the election and the leaders of both Houses bail out when the threat of a Clinton presidency and losing both Houses lurks just around the corner?  I certainly agree that what he said on the tapes was absolutely repulsive, but so are 4 dead Americans, arming ISIS, promising open borders for the entire western hemisphere, bringing in million of Muslim refugees, middle class tax hikes, promoting climate change directives, gun control, etc. and now the GOP leadership decides not to back whom they pushed through??  Not buying that they don't want Hillary in. Not buying it at all. However, in doing so, I think they are going to cause the GOP to lose the House and Senate. 
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 07:45:43 pm by libertybele »
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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2016, 07:49:52 pm »
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“Instead of calling me and saying, ‘Congratulations, you did a great job, you absolutely destroyed her in the debate like everybody said,’” Trump began, trailing off to boast about how Pat Buchanan called his performance against Hillary Clinton during Sunday’s debate “the single greatest debate performance in the history of presidential politics.”

Buchanan loves anybody who can get a whole bunch of anti-semites together in one place.
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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2016, 07:55:04 pm »
Trump isn't even running for the presidency at this point.  He's giving his core fans what they want to hear so they'll pay $9.95 a month to subscribe to the Trump network, where they can learn even more about the sinister deal.  Plus much more, and their Daily Dose of Donnie!

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2016, 07:56:29 pm »
That's been his draw from his supporters; he's an outsider.  His supporters don't want the same ole status quo in Washington and he has promised to take the party in a different direction. 

He's no outsider and the only direction he was taking the party was into the toilet to be flushed

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2016, 08:04:52 pm »
Trump isn't even running for the presidency at this point.  He's giving his core fans what they want to hear so they'll pay $9.95 a month to subscribe to the Trump network, where they can learn even more about the sinister deal.  Plus much more, and their Daily Dose of Donnie!

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2016, 08:13:38 pm »
Sounds like Trump® has gone full Queeg... :whistle:

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2016, 08:45:49 pm »
I am not a Trump fan, but I do agree with him on this one ... this stinks of  a whole lot of back room deals going on right now within the GOPe. IMHO Ryan has a lot of 'pull' in this election and he's obviously pulling his party as well as his followers and their followers away from Trump. That in itself is a recipe for disaster for all those candidates down ballot.  Ryan is Speaker of the GOP House of Representatives.  His bias should be towards his party; after all he himself was pressuring everyone to get on board behind the party nominee.  While I agree that what Trump stated 11 years ago on a tape was repulsive; it is very important to remember what is at stake here; the Supreme Court, the Senate and the House and the threat of Hillary and DEMS taking over ensuring that the GOP will never win another election for decades.  I'd like to know what exactly Ryan is doing to help the situation.  The only thing he's doing is encouraging people not to vote for 'his' party's nominee.  As Speaker of the House, I find that extremely troubling...especially since he himself along with a multitude of others refused to back any of the other conservatives running against Hillary and Trump during the primary.  IMHO Ryan and the rest of the GOPe are indeed handing Hillary the White House ... the notion that they can hold anything she does at bay is a joke; without the majority in the Senate she lines the Supreme court as she see fit.  The House may hold the purse strings to what she wants, but Ryan and crew haven't exactly been very successful at curtailing anything Obama has wanted and that's assuming that the GOP holds the House which I see as highly doubtful.  Why would any undecided voter, vote for the GOP when the Speaker of the House won't even back his own party??


 @libertybele we rarely disagree on anything, I don't like Ryan for selling out Conservatives, BUT in his defense he did not Endorse anyone during the Primaries (unlike McConnell in Mississippi in 2014) and AFTER Trump's Nomination he held multiple meetings with him trying to get him to tone it down, all exercises in futility, Ryan's just trying the save his Speakership now.
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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2016, 08:58:57 pm »
Trump is a narcissist with a short temper.  Conspiracy not required.

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Re: Trump denounces Paul Ryan and GOP for secret 'sinister deal'
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2016, 09:07:24 pm »
I am not a Trump fan, but I do agree with him on this one ... this stinks of  a whole lot of back room deals going on right now within the GOPe.  IMHO Ryan has a lot of 'pull' in this election and he's obviously pulling his party as well as his followers and their followers away from Trump.

There comes a point in the life of any honest person where it is no longer possible to defend the indefensible.  With Trump, many of us reached that point long ago. 

As we all know, Ryan has always been a reluctant Trump supporter who, for the good of the party, finally endorsed him after the Convention.  But Trump's repeated idiocies, capped off by the video, seem to have tipped the scale for Ryan on at least two levels.

First, on a personal level, I believe Ryan reached the point where he, personally, could no longer defend Trump.

Second, as an important member of the GOP hierarchy, he recognizes the real damage Trump is doing to other GOP races, and is bound to put the overall good of the party over support for Trump.  Indeed, after the revelations of last week, expressing full support for Trump would be even more destructive to the party than what Ryan has actually done.
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2016, 09:14:48 pm »

 @libertybele we rarely disagree on anything, I don't like Ryan for selling out Conservatives, BUT in his defense he did not Endorse anyone during the Primaries (unlike McConnell in Mississippi in 2014) and AFTER Trump's Nomination he held multiple meetings with him trying to get him to tone it down, all exercises in futility, Ryan's just trying the save his Speakership now.

He should have thought about trying to save his Speakership a long time ago when it was a run off between Cruz, Kasich and Trump...it was at that time he met with Trump...I don't recall him meeting with Cruz nor Kasich.  Perhaps I'm reading a lot more into all of this but Ryan and the rest of his cronies wanted Trump rather than Cruz as they hated Cruz that much and figured they could 'handle' Trump.  Now that the see Trump imploding and it actually looks like Hillary is going to win ... well ... they are really SOL right now.   IMHO, by Ryan as Speaker of the House not standing by the nominee, he's going to take those down ballot along with him.
« Last Edit: October 12, 2016, 09:19:08 pm by libertybele »
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2016, 09:20:58 pm »
He should have thought about trying to save his Speakership a long time ago when it was a run off between Cruz, Kasich and Trump...it was at that time he met with Trump...I don't recall him meeting with Cruz nor Kasich. 

For one thing, he already knew Cruz and Kasich, and knew where they stood; and for another, those two weren't behaving like jackasses, as Trump was (and is).

Ryan was in no position to be endorsing anybody during the primaries, though he did make it known that he did not support Trump.  To be able to endorse Trump at all required Ryan to make the attempt to get Trump to behave.

But it also required Trump to make the attempt to behave, which he has not (because he cannot). 

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2016, 01:12:56 am »
He should have thought about trying to save his Speakership a long time ago when it was a run off between Cruz, Kasich and Trump...it was at that time he met with Trump...I don't recall him meeting with Cruz nor Kasich.  Perhaps I'm reading a lot more into all of this but Ryan and the rest of his cronies wanted Trump rather than Cruz as they hated Cruz that much and figured they could 'handle' Trump.  Now that the see Trump imploding and it actually looks like Hillary is going to win ... well ... they are really SOL right now.   IMHO, by Ryan as Speaker of the House not standing by the nominee, he's going to take those down ballot along with him.


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