What Must Heaven Be Like

[ChemEngrMBA]

Technology here on earth has brought modern man tools and abilities that were unimaginable to previous generations and especially eras.  How much more advanced is the technology in the Domain of the Creator!  Unimaginable, I'm sure, and yet I try to imagine it.

Suppose that all of our dear, departed family and friends surround us in any room, if they choose, and they hear our every word.  I think and hope this is the case and so I talk to all of them, every day.  Say good prayers for them and ask them to pray for your strength and success in serving others.

If nobody else hears you, nothing lost but something is gained.  Your wholesome and positive attitude.   
But suppose everyone you know DOES hear you every day ........   How cool is that!

[corbe]

   If it ain't full of Jim Bean, Cocaine and scantily clad girls I will not take part in your survey.

If Heaven Ain't A Lot Like Dixie ~ Hank Williams, Jr.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAwlj9wqFnI

[roamer_1]

You'll note that Yah's Earth, as HE created it and called it good, is utterly and completely technology free.

Technology is said to have been taught  by the Fallen Ones.

[Hoodat]

It's all about getting back to the Garden.

[corbe]

   Half of the 'Fallen Ones' immediately knew they had forsaken their 'G_d' immediately according to the available interpretation of the scripture.   

   According to my Fathers Theory the other half keep implanting themselves into righteous souls at birth till death, time and time again to gain "points", similar to some religions. 

[ChemEngrMBA]

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[corbe]

   You know @ChemEngrMBA Roamer stopped typing on his keyboard for a while here and I felt that I had lost a Brother. 

   I'm glad he's back.  He won't Ignore you like you Ignore him.

[ChemEngrMBA]

   You know @ChemEngrMBA Roamer stopped typing on his keyboard for a while here and I felt that I had lost a Brother. 

   I'm glad he's back.  He won't Ignore you like you Ignore him.

Have a good time with him.  Note that you said you ignored my posts even as you respond to them frequently.

If I were as foolish as your friend Roamer has claimed, he should not want to read my posts any longer.  Yet he does, no doubt intending to harass and intimidate.  I do not suffer fools gladly.  I have not the slightest interest in reading anything he writes again.

[Hoodat]

I have not the slightest interest in reading anything he writes again.

Sound like something a pharisee would say.

[berdie]

Well, @ChemEngrMBA , I have never talked to anyone that I didn't learn something.

[roamer_1]

Sound like something a pharisee would say.

And y'all know he reads every word of it...

That's why I tend not to ignore folks on here @corbe ... It don't mean a damn thing.   

[ChemEngrMBA]

Well, @ChemEngrMBA , I have never talked to anyone that I didn't learn something.

"Go from the presence of a foolish man....." - Proverbs 14:7

[berdie]

As always, the Bible has the best solution.

[corbe]

   I don't know a lot about the Bible @berdie but I know more than most Christians and welcome Debate with this particular Briefer or any others. 

   Like 'In God We Trust' is printed on our Currency, I never wanted to take that away.

[roamer_1]

   I don't know a lot about the Bible @berdie but I know more than most Christians and welcome Debate with this particular Briefer or any others. 

   Like 'In God We Trust' is printed on our Currency, I never wanted to take that away.

Yabutt... which god is the 'God' in reference? Hmmm? There's the tricksy part... I know which God we THINK that is... Yahweh... The God who is the enemy of that 'all seeing eye' But the all seeing eye is on that bill...

So which god does it reference?

[corbe]

   I agree that 'Yahweh' is the foundational structure of the TORAH (IMHO).  What I've not convinced myself is that he is  the Truth, The Way and The Light.

[berdie]

   I don't know a lot about the Bible @berdie but I know more than most Christians and welcome Debate with this particular Briefer or any others. 

   Like 'In God We Trust' is printed on our Currency, I never wanted to take that away.

I wouldn't be up for that debate @corbe . Too many interpretations, imho. My subtle (some may call it snarky) response was for a particular Briefer.

[corbe]

   Besides, a whole bunch of Christian Threads aren't allowed on TBR. 
   So, I consider you a Prophet of some sort @ChemEngrMBA

[roamer_1]

   I agree that 'Yahweh' is the foundational structure of the TORAH (IMHO).  What I've not convinced myself is that he is  the Truth, The Way and The Light.

Oh, I know that to be true, without a doubt, @corbe  - The proof is in the prophecy. Yah called his shots.

I have looked high and low, scouring the prophecies of all other 'gods'... NOBODY else called his shots and made it happen across time... From the beginning, what would happen in the end. Many called their shots in the short term, but wound up wrong in the long term, and are now gone.

Nobody other than Yahweh got it right. That speaks to infallibility, omniscience, and all them other god-like attributes.

OK. He's a god. Ok... He's THE God. So because he is calling his shots, he gets to call the tune. And his way or the highway. All that is perfectly fine.

The thing I part ways with is what that means according to the way men (not God) have set up structures and interpretations to use his authority. I don't so quickly recognize churches as THE CHURCH, or any of the structures within as being necessarily true. There's the rub.

You and me would have a good time bullshalating on the porch with this stuff - It's right in my wheelhouse. Even on the phone... Would be more fun if I could still get lubricated - A few beers and a fire... That's the best way to suss all this stuff out... But I can't go that way no more. 

[corbe]

   That's where You @roamer_1 have the advantage already. 

   I don't mind philosophical arguments with the OP but you Sir, are taking advantage of me in my inebriated state. 

[roamer_1]

   That's where You @roamer_1 have the advantage already. 

   I don't mind philosophical arguments with the OP but you Sir, are taking advantage of me in my inebriated state. 

I plead nolo contendre @corbe . It is not my purpose to take the advantage. As I have said, I would prefer to be inebriated as well.
 

[Hoodat]

I have looked high and low, scouring the prophecies of all other 'gods'... NOBODY else called his shots and made it happen across time... From the beginning, what would happen in the end. Many called their shots in the short term, but wound up wrong in the long term, and are now gone.

Nobody other than Yahweh got it right. That speaks to infallibility, omniscience, and all them other god-like attributes.

If you go back to the Old Testament (i.e. the Bible that Jesus read) and list all the prophesies about Messiah, and then consider the probability of every one of them being true, that probability would be less than the probability of a tornado hitting a field covered with airplane parts and leaving a fully assembled Boeing 747 in its wake.


“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
The One to be Ruler in Israel,
Whose goings forth are from of old,
From everlasting.”

Therefore He shall give them up,
Until the time that she who is in labor has given birth;
Then the remnant of His brethren
Shall return to the children of Israel.
And He shall stand and feed His flock
In the strength of the Lord,
In the majesty of the name of the Lord His God;
And they shall abide,
For now He shall be great
To the ends of the earth;
And this One shall be peace.

Micah 5:2-5

[corbe]

   Are yall forgetting the Prophecy.  The Book of Peter, trying to reconcile the preachings of Jesus with Jewish converts (Uncircumcised)? 

   For 2000 years it's just shifting sands and has moved accordingly.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

So now let's 180 and ask What must Hell be like?

A Chicago weekend?  San Francisco anytime?

Watching a gay parade go by?

[roamer_1]

If you go back to the Old Testament (i.e. the Bible that Jesus read) and list all the prophesies about Messiah, and then consider the probability of every one of them being true, that probability would be less than the probability of a tornado hitting a field covered with airplane parts and leaving a fully assembled Boeing 747 in its wake.

That's what I mean. There is no doubt. No other - *NONE* - have called their shots. Now, some of it remains... Some of it is hidden from us... But of the shots we can see, *ALL* of them have been correct, some to a very day (I would say many to the very day). But there aren't that many shots left. And he's fixin to run the table. Do you really want to wait till he's sinking the 8 ball to admit it?

No... Like I said. There ain't no doubt.
What to do with that knowledge is the trouble. 

[roamer_1]

   Are yall forgetting the Prophecy.  The Book of Peter, trying to reconcile the preachings of Jesus with Jewish converts (Uncircumcised)? 

   For 2000 years it's just shifting sands and has moved accordingly.

Meats and Sheets, @corbe ? It's a simple thing.

Don't call unclean what Yah has called holy...

Every_single_one of Adam's progeny carries the image of Yah.

It's about tearing down the wall of separation. It's about saving ALL of Adam's children.

The problem with the Christians is that they tore down that wall of separation and used the bricks to put up another. 

[roamer_1]

So now let's 180 and ask What must Hell be like?

A Chicago weekend?  San Francisco anytime?

Watching a gay parade go by?

Hell is a Greek and Roman concept. The study of the Hebrew Sheol would be fruitful.

[corbe]

Meats and Sheets, @corbe ? It's a simple thing.

Don't call unclean what Yah has called holy...

Every_single_one of Adam's progeny carries the image of Yah.

It's about tearing down the wall of separation. It's about saving ALL of Adam's children.

The problem with the Christians is that they tore down that wall of separation and used the bricks to put up another. 

   I think the problems with the Christians starts with the First Council of Nicaea in 325 and it keep going from there.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Don't call unclean what Yah has called holy...

Why do you use the ancient Israelite name "Yah"?

[Hoodat]

   I think the problems with the Christians starts with the First Council of Nicaea in 325 and it keep going from there.

It wasn't all bad.  It was that Niceaen Council where Diehard was canonized as a Christmas movie.

Seriously though, don't be distracted by church or religion.  Seek out the Creator.


Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you.  And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart.

Jeremiah 29:12-13


‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’

Jeremiah 33:3


But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Deuteronomy 4:29

[roamer_1]

Why do you use the ancient Israelite name "Yah"?

Because it's his name.

[roamer_1]

   I think the problems with the Christians starts with the First Council of Nicaea in 325 and it keep going from there.

Takanot and Ma'asim @corbe

Yeshua was an itinerant preacher (he did not have his own synagogue) in a Pharisee robe (He wore the un-seamed garment of a Teacher)

He preached Torah. Every miracle he did was a direct poke at the sayings and deeds of the Pharisees (and Sadducees, but mostly). He hacked em. He said, If they claim to follow Moses, Then do what MOSES says. He said NOT TO follow the takanot and ma'asim (the sayings and deeds) of the Pharisees. Follow Moses.

Even so with Christians. If they claim to be disciples of Yeshua, which every Christian is in the technical sense, Then DON'T follow the sayings and deeds of the teachers. Follow Yeshua. HE is the one you have pledged to.

It's funny. Not funny 'ha-ha'... Funny 'odd'. What the Jews did in the Pharisees, the Christians did all over again.

Go figger. 

So if the example is Yeshua, then follow Him. That looks way different than what most churches present.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Because it's his name.

Not the one used by the vast majority of Christians or modern Jews. 

I was just wondering out loud if you're again trying to separate yourself from the crowds in an effort to appear more serious and smarter than everyone else.  I assume you are ... but, this is no biggie.   Carry on.

[Hoodat]

Not the one used by the vast majority of Christians or modern Jews.

What name do the vast majority of Christians and modern Jews use?  I always considered a relationship with the Father (Abba) to be personal and intimate.

[roamer_1]

Not the one used by the vast majority of Christians or modern Jews. 

I was just wondering out loud if you're again trying to separate yourself from the crowds in an effort to appear more serious and smarter than everyone else.  I assume you are ... but, this is no biggie.   Carry on.

Jews don't use his name, in direct disobedience to the commandment...
YHWH says that YHWH is his name and his remembrance through the ages. He says his name should be ever on your lips... Shouted in praise.

It means 'I AM', or 'He Who Brings Into Existence All That is in Existence... and the pictorial meaning is 'Behold the Hand, Behold the Nail'

He says that's his name, not me. 

[Fishrrman]

The Seldom Scene has their say about it (with the great tenor John Duffy singing lead on the verses and high tenor on the chorus):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP-pzC-qJU0&list=RDiP-pzC-qJU0&start_radio=1

[deb]

Not the one used by the vast majority of Christians or modern Jews. 

That may be changing. Several years ago, the Legacy Standard Bible was published. I have a copy and I love it.
This from their website:  (https://lsbible.org/)

Why does the LSB use Yahweh instead of LORD?

Traditionally, the translation “God” renders the Hebrew word Elohim. Likewise, the word “Lord” is a translation of Adonai. In the LSB, God’s covenant name is rendered as Yahweh, as opposed to LORD. The meaning and implication of this name is God’s self-deriving, ongoing, and never-ending existence. Exodus 3:14–15 shows that God Himself considered it important for His people to know His name. The effect of revealing God’s name is His distinction from other gods and His expression of intimacy with the nation of Israel. Such a dynamic is a prevalent characteristic of the Scriptures as Yahweh appears in the OT over 6,800 times.   In addition to Yahweh, the full name of God, the OT also includes references to God by a shorter version of His name, Yah. By itself, God’s name “Yah” may not be as familiar, but the appearance of it is recognizable in Hebrew names and words (e.g. Zechar-iah, meaning Yah remembers, and Hallelu-jah, meaning praise Yah!). God’s shortened name “Yah” is predominantly found in poetry and praise.

[roamer_1]

(from the LSB quote) [...]
Such a dynamic is a prevalent characteristic of the Scriptures as Yahweh appears in the OT over 6,800 times.   

Ba'al means LORD. I know that his name has been covered in the Scripture out of so-called respect - But to cover it with 'LORD' is an affront if you think about it, regardless of the intent... That's not perfect, because Addonai also means Lord, and is reasonably used.

(from the LSB quote) [...]
Exodus 3:14–15 shows that God Himself considered it important for His people to know His name. The effect of revealing God’s name is His distinction from other gods and His expression of intimacy with the nation of Israel.

That's likely the thing for me... In this day, when universalism is bending the Scriptures in all sects, I think drawing aspecific distinction is very important. 'In God We Trust' - As I wrote in my first post on this thread, which 'god' is that? The one we think it is, or the one attached to the all-see in-eye emblem with the words 'E Pluribus Unum'? Because that god is Osiris, not Yahweh. And they are not the same thing.

And I am probably not going to shake anyone here with the news... But Allah is not the same god as Yahweh.

So I will call Yah by the names HE prefers and commands me to speak, and shout, and sing, rather than the politically correct 'God', which allows the ambiguity and universalism to persist. Then there ain't any question to whom I am referring...

[Hoodat]

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Romans 12:2