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#NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« on: May 27, 2016, 03:51:36 am »
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Anyone who believes that Hillary Clinton is going to skate to easy victory in November is simply ignoring the fact that the conventional rules of politics have not applied this cycle. There is now a real possibility (however improbable) that Donald Trump could be elected President of the United States. That scares a lot of people, and it should.

The mass media that willingly participated in Trump’s rise can not be depended upon to turn on him now that he is the “presumptive nominee,” as some posit. He has brought them all manner of filthy lucre so far, so why would they? He’s ratings gold! The few abortive attempts to even scale back his abuse of phone-in interviews were greeted with contempt by the campaign because they (correctly) judged that plenty of other outlets would allow them.

Even the Chairman of the Republican National Committee has definitively abdicated his responsibility to call out the naked emperor. So the RNC is fully on board the Trump Train, and the media will continue to play the role of Trump accomplice because it suits their venal purposes. The Democrats’ political machine will kick into high gear eventually, but with a convention fight now at least possible, that may not be until the end of July. And anyway there’s no evidence they fully comprehend that they’ll be fighting a new type of asymmetric political war.

For anyone who is horrified at the prospect of a misogynistic blowhard know-nothing violence enabler becoming president, time is of the essence.

There are thankfully a few loud voices repeating the mantra of #NeverTrump, but a hashtag does not a movement make. If the #NeverTrump folks are really intent on denying Trump the control of the U.S. economy and the nuclear triad, they (we) need to get serious, STAT.

For a while I’d hoped that a principled conservative might be willing to get in the race on a third party ticket without prompting. At first it looked like maybe Senator Ben Sasse of Nebraska would step up, but he declined. More recently, a small but vocal group tried to get retired Marine Corps General James Mattis to take the mantle; he also declined. I respect these men and their reasons for not jumping in, but I’m stunned that nobody has emerged as a serious alternative.

Not that it wouldn’t be a brutal fight. That’s a given. Besides the normal media glare of a national campaign, the person in question would also be Public Enemy #1 of the vile Trump social media hate juggernaut, with all the personal safety concerns that implies. And all that for the privilege of…losing, but also denying him the White House? Or, best case scenario: throwing the election to the House of Representatives? It’s not hard to see why Sasse and Mattis decided it was a no-brainer.

But it’s important. I won’t list the litany of ways that Trump falls short of the minimum qualifications for the office of president. Much digital ink has already been spilled, apparently to no avail, on that subject. The fact is, I can think of no person in U.S. history who was as manifestly unqualified for the office who also had a serious chance of winning it.

Right now (as far as I can see), the #NeverTrump “movement” consists of a few principled political consultants, think tankers and writers. A couple of PACs have been formed. Ads have been run. Maybe they coordinate, maybe they don’t. But it’s safe to say (and I mean no offense to those involved) that it’s not been very organized or effectual.

That needs to change, ASAP. #NeverTrump needs to act like a real political party, with affirmative beliefs and principles. It needs to grow up, put on its big boy pants, come up with a plan, and implement that plan — damn the torpedoes. A meeting should be held, open to all comers — maybe call it a convention. Alternatives should be discussed. Money should be raised. Leadership should be selected. And at the end of the day, there should be one person that steps forward and accepts a daunting and probably losing proposition, for the good of the country. To the extent that may already be in process, it has so far been in the shadows and on the margins. It is time for it to come out into the open.

You know who you are. The #NeverTrump movement-in-waiting is looking at you, crying out for leadership and action. You are people like those on the #HamiltonList, and and all the signatories of this letter.

The time to get started was yesterday. The Republic needs you.

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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2016, 03:56:32 am »
Thanks for posting this. The problem is the vast amount of money required for a serious run as well as getting on the ballot in all fifty states.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2016, 04:02:56 am »
Thanks for posting this. The problem is the vast amount of money required for a serious run as well as getting on the ballot in all fifty states.
I agree, but this does show there remains a lot of untapped support for a 3rd party.

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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2016, 04:09:53 am »
I would support a third party conservative.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2016, 04:25:30 am »
I think Darrell Castle, the Constitution Party candidate for President is that person. He is honest and sincere, and a true constitutional and social conservative. Some may say, as naysayers do, that they are not on all state ballots. Well, that's where ther need your support.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2016, 04:41:28 am »
It would be great if the Constitution emerges from this disastrous year as a viable national party. I think I can write them in Texas.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2016, 04:49:00 am »

In case nobody caught it, Trump has run a hurry up offense from the start.

While efforts like this meditate on the lint in their bellies, he is down the road two more steps.

No huddle requires having the plays called ahead of time. Go Go Go on three.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2016, 05:21:11 am »
Simply put, the NeverTrump movement must be led by the delegates themselves,  who must be able to vote their consciences. 

That will take great personal courage,  because Trump takes umbrage and his supporters are loyal little beasties.   And those delegates must be led,  by Cruz and Kasich both at the convention, appealing to them and to the hall,  making the case for the rules to confirm that delegates may vote their minds and their honor.   
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 05:33:00 am »
We are waaaay past the point of rectifying where we have arrived at the ballot box.  This cycle is done, and with it - what shreds remain of a functioning republic.

The die and the coup have been cast some time ago. We're just being played by the Ruling Class Establishment while it consolidates more of your money towards their permanent power and establishes an entrenched dictatorship in the Executive that they will continue to refer to as a presidency.

Tyranny is here and accepted, learned and even found to be comfortable by the masses that will protect it because they get a stipend by the hand that is their master or figured out how to play the system and even profit.

So this people will demand the strongest dictator they think will do the things they want on their behalf, and all of this becomes institutionalized.

Tyranny and where we have arrived as a former republic cannot be stopped or reversed via civil means.  History is quite clear on that.

Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2016, 11:21:15 am »
Simply put, the NeverTrump movement must be led by the delegates themselves,  who must be able to vote their consciences. 

That will take great personal courage,  because Trump takes umbrage and his supporters are loyal little beasties.   And those delegates must be led,  by Cruz and Kasich both at the convention, appealing to them and to the hall,  making the case for the rules to confirm that delegates may vote their minds and their honor.
Lying stealing and cheating is not Conservative.

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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 12:15:48 pm »
I agree, but this does show there remains a lot of untapped support for a 3rd party.

Yes there is an incredible amount of support for 3rd party. The Constitution Party is having a hard time getting on the ballot in all 50 states; it take time and money and the requirements for a 3rd party candidate to get on the ballot differ then those for the GOP or DEM. The Libertarian Party I believe is now on the ballot in all 50 states; the two candidates are pro amnesty and pro abortion - certainly not the answer in my books.

Those wanting to jump in the race with only 5 months to get on the ballot would be spinning their wheels and wasting time and resources.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2016, 12:20:30 pm »
#NeverTrump needs to get over itself.  You lost.  Period.  Now get in line or get out of the way.

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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2016, 01:18:48 pm »
#NeverTrump needs to get over itself.  You lost.  Period.  Now get in line or get out of the way.
A convention vote has yet to be taken, so the fat lady hasn't sung YET!  If and when she does and the GOP turns orange, you can have the OrangeWonder and the GOP too.  For that matter the GOP is probably already a lost cause.  If is nothing more than an Alt DemRat voice.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2016, 01:24:37 pm »
A convention vote has yet to be taken, so the fat lady hasn't sung YET!  If and when she does and the GOP turns orange, you can have the OrangeWonder and the GOP too.  For that matter the GOP is probably already a lost cause.  If is nothing more than an Alt DemRat voice.
Lying Cheating and Stealing are NOT Conservative.

Trump is for America First.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2016, 01:40:51 pm »
Lying Cheating and Stealing are NOT Conservative.

"Lying[,] Cheating and Stealing" are criminal activities.  Using the rules to your advantage is not criminal.  Unless you have evidence of criminal wrongdoing, you're just flapping your gums!
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2016, 01:42:25 pm »
I think Darrell Castle, the Constitution Party candidate for President is that person. He is honest and sincere, and a true constitutional and social conservative. Some may say, as naysayers do, that they are not on all state ballots. Well, that's where ther need your support.

Yes, I like Castle and the Constitution Party, however, thus far, they have not been able to get onto the ballot in all 50 states; they can't win unless they can do so.
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2016, 01:46:01 pm »
Lining up for the Trump train is like lining up to take the train to Auschwitz II-Birkenau.
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2016, 01:48:40 pm »
The Fat Lady is too busy boarding the Trump Train already.  #NeverTrump is for losers. 

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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2016, 01:55:53 pm »
Yes, I like Castle and the Constitution Party, however, thus far, they have not been able to get onto the ballot in all 50 states; they can't win unless they can do so.
Well, time we help them out.  They're on the ballot in Michigan, wish I could help in other states.  Contributions will help though.
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Re: #NeverTrump Needs Leadership, STAT
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2016, 02:20:00 pm »
In case nobody caught it, Trump has run a hurry up offense from the start.

While efforts like this meditate on the lint in their bellies, he is down the road two more steps.

No huddle requires having the plays called ahead of time. Go Go Go on three.
May I note that the no-huddle offense was what led to four consecutive Super Bowl LOSSES.
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