Graham: GOP may have to rally around Ted Cruz

[musiclady]

I like it.  Damn, we could actually make some positive changes with that scenario!

Seriously!  It's a Conservative Dream Team.

(The complete opposite of a potential Trump nightmare!)

I hope Cruz considers it, and Rubio does too.

[libertybele]

I like Glenn Beck's EVERYONE WINS, except for Trump and Hillary plan.     Ted makes a deal with Rubio to run as his VP. Remember Rubio had to give up his senate seat. He loses Florida, he has no place to go.
As VP Rubio can pick up the torch in 8 years and run for President, with that gang of 8 crap far behind him. Carson runs for Rubio's vacated senate seat, and Rand Paul becomes Secretary of the Treasury, which controlling spending is his true calling.

Except 'the Donald' doesn't like to lose.  He has questioned the eligibility to run for president of both Cruz and Rubio. I wouldn't put it past him to sue both of them and tie things up in court OR run 3rd party.  He runs 3rd party, it hands the nomination over to Hillary.

I think Trump has planned this very strategically for quite some time.

[Sanguine]

Except 'the Donald' doesn't like to lose.  He has questioned the eligibility to run for president of both Cruz and Rubio. I wouldn't put it past him to sue both of them and tie things up in court OR run 3rd party.  He runs 3rd party, it hands the nomination over to Hillary.

I think Trump has planned this very strategically for quite some time.

But if he runs 3rd party, he loses...right?

[libertybele]

But if he runs 3rd party, he loses...right?

Statistically, and the way our electoral system is set up it is almost impossible to win 3rd party.  However, I think he's been a siphon for the DEMS all along and is actually helping camp Hillary.

[Sanguine]

Statistically, and the way our electoral system is set up it is almost impossible to win 3rd party.  However, I think he's been a siphon for the DEMS all along and is actually helping camp Hillary.

True.

[musiclady]

Statistically, and the way our electoral system is set up it is almost impossible to win 3rd party.  However, I think he's been a siphon for the DEMS all along and is actually helping camp Hillary.

Absolutely.  Trump is in this to hand his pal, Hillary, the victory.

[Carling]

Absolutely.  Trump is in this to hand his pal, Hillary, the victory.

This makes zero sense.  The only way Hillary is ensured a victory is if the GOPe runs a Romney on an Independent platform.

Please explain how Trump is handing HRC the victory when you have people like Bill Kristol and others saying they will vote for Hillary over Trump?

[libertybele]

This makes zero sense.  The only way Hillary is ensured a victory is if the GOPe runs a Romney on an Independent platform.

Please explain how Trump is handing HRC the victory when you have people like Bill Kristol and others saying they will vote for Hillary over Trump?

It makes perfect sense. IF Trump gets the nomination, many GOPers have vowed not to vote for him and polls indicate that he cannot win over Hillary, thus giving Hillary the White House.  IF Rubio or Cruz gets the nomination, Trump runs 3rd party, thus splitting the vote and giving Hillary the White House.  It's a win/win for Hillary.

[Bill Cipher]

It makes perfect sense. IF Trump gets the nomination, many GOPers have vowed not to vote for him and polls indicate that he cannot win over Hillary, thus giving Hillary the White House.  IF Rubio or Cruz gets the nomination, Trump runs 3rd party, thus splitting the vote and giving Hillary the White House.  It's a win/win for Hillary.

In general I would agree.  I'm afraid that way too many of the Trump supporters are living in an echo chamber.  I've overheard regular folks on the street, and the remarks are uniformly negative regarding Trump.  I also hear from democrats who are not happy with Clinton, but they cannot bring themselves to vote for someone like Trump.

[musiclady]

In general I would agree.  I'm afraid that way too many of the Trump supporters are living in an echo chamber.  I've overheard regular folks on the street, and the remarks are uniformly negative regarding Trump.  I also hear from democrats who are not happy with Clinton, but they cannot bring themselves to vote for someone like Trump.

That's what's so disturbing to me.

With Hillary's negatives and her unappealing personality and character, we could potentially draw votes from a lot of disaffected Democrats who don't like where their party is going if we nominate someone who has across the board appeal.

Instead, we are in danger of nominating possibly the only person on earth with more negatives than Hillary.

Of all the people in the country, we are putting up two of the most despicable people on earth to be our President??

How much farther can this country fall??   

[Bill Cipher]

That's what's so disturbing to me.

With Hillary's negatives and her unappealing personality and character, we could potentially draw votes from a lot of disaffected Democrats who don't like where their party is going if we nominate someone who has across the board appeal.

Instead, we are in danger of nominating possibly the only person on earth with more negatives than Hillary.

Of all the people in the country, we are putting up two of the most despicable people on earth to be our President??

How much farther can this country fall??   

I don't know.  It is really disappointing because this is the one year in maybe 100 years where winning the election should be a cake walk for the republicans.  It should be possible to win almost every state.  But instead, the republicans are, without intending to, tying both hands behind their back.  I guess maybe the primary voters feel we should handicap ourselves to make the election fairer for Clinton.  As someone said the other day, who wants to have to choose between an orange baboon and a criminal.

[musiclady]

I don't know.  It is really disappointing because this is the one year in maybe 100 years where winning the election should be a cake walk for the republicans.  It should be possible to win almost every state.  But instead, the republicans are, without intending to, tying both hands behind their back.  I guess maybe the primary voters feel we should handicap ourselves to make the election fairer for Clinton.  As someone said the other day, who wants to have to choose between an orange baboon and a criminal.

At least a third of primary voters are succeeding in handicapping ourselves so that Hillary WILL win if they get their way in the end.

We could have had a sure thing, and now we're in danger of losing everything.

[Carling]

I'll bow out now and just say I find the logic of Trump wanting HRC to win unconvincing with what I've seen from him.

Meanwhile we have GOPe posters here saying they will vote for HRC.  How that is acceptable on a "conservative" forum saddens me.

[R4 TrumPence]

It makes perfect sense. IF Trump gets the nomination, many GOPers have vowed not to vote for him and polls indicate that he cannot win over Hillary, thus giving Hillary the White House.  IF Rubio or Cruz gets the nomination, Trump runs 3rd party, thus splitting the vote and giving Hillary the White House.  It's a win/win for Hillary.

Wow that is ridiculous.

[aligncare]

This makes zero sense.  The only way Hillary is ensured a victory is if the GOPe runs a Romney on an Independent platform.

Please explain how Trump is handing HRC the victory when you have people like Bill Kristol and others saying they will vote for Hillary over Trump?

 

Electoral politics scrambles the brain. I've heard quite a few others saying the same thing. Myself, I'd be embarrassed going around repeatedly saying such an obviously stupid thing.

[EdinVA]

It makes perfect sense. IF Trump gets the nomination, many GOPers have vowed not to vote for him and polls indicate that he cannot win over Hillary, thus giving Hillary the White House.  IF Rubio or Cruz gets the nomination, Trump runs 3rd party, thus splitting the vote and giving Hillary the White House.  It's a win/win for Hillary.

So, let me make sure I understand this..

If I vote for my candidate and my guy wins the primary and you don't like him and refuse to vote for him, I am at fault for losing the general election?
So, all I have to do is vote for who you tell me to?

That is a very funny definition of democracy...

[aligncare]

So, let me make sure I understand this..

If I vote for my candidate and my guy wins the primary and you don't like him and refuse to vote for him, I am at fault for losing the general election?
So, all I have to do is vote for who you tell me to?

That is a very funny definition of democracy...

Nah, that's the definition of a political temper tantrum.

[Bill Cipher]

Electoral politics scrambles the brain. I've heard quite a few others saying the same thing. Myself, I'd be embarrassed going around repeatedly saying such an obviously stupid thing.

Then you must be in a permanent state of embarrassment.

[Bill Cipher]

So, let me make sure I understand this..

If I vote for my candidate and my guy wins the primary and you don't like him and refuse to vote for him, I am at fault for losing the general election?
So, all I have to do is vote for who you tell me to?

That is a very funny definition of democracy...

If the choices for dessert are ice cream, cake, and cod liver oil, is it any surprise that nobody else will eat dessert if you made the only option cod liver oil?

If you present people with an unpalatable choice when there are better choices out there, objectively better choices, then yes, you are at fault. 

If you make Trump your champion, then you own all the consequences, including those arising from the fact that you refused to listen to anyone who disagreed with you.

That's the danger of echo chambers and the problem with primaries is its too easy for them to become echo chambers dominated by a small group of very noisy partisans who are in fact a very small minority of the general voting population.

Outside the echo chambers of the primaries Trump is increasingly being rejected by the very people whose votes he will need in the general election.  Cutting off your nose to spite your face is never wise policy. 

[EdinVA]

If the choices for dessert are ice cream, cake, and cod liver oil, is it any surprise that nobody else will eat dessert if you made the only option cod liver oil?

If you present people with an unpalatable choice when there are better choices out there, objectively better choices, then yes, you are at fault. 

If you make Trump your champion, then you own all the consequences, including those arising from the fact that you refused to listen to anyone who disagreed with you.

That's the danger of echo chambers and the problem with primaries is its too easy for them to become echo chambers dominated by a small group of very noisy partisans who are in fact a very small minority of the general voting population.

Outside the echo chambers of the primaries Trump is increasingly being rejected by the very people whose votes he will need in the general election.  Cutting off your nose to spite your face is never wise policy.

Voting for GOPe candidates is nothing but more of the same liberal policies of the last 24 years and would be like drinking castor oil (since you seem to like analogies).
You must like open borders, runaway deficits, out of control federal government and unrestricted importation of socially destructive cultures.

So we can make a deal, all the Trump folks can stay home if your guy wins... how about that.. can you win without us?

[PzLdr]

Just a quick personal note. If the GOPe does what this thread indicates it will, I'll follow your principled stand, and WILL NOT vote for Crubio, or whatever combination the GOPe throws together to deprive Trump, and his supporters of a fair, neutral convention. And I don't think I'll be alone.

[aligncare]

Then you must be in a permanent state of embarrassment.

That's all you got, O? 

Bill Cipher--thought-provoking, poignant, hilarious.

A roller coaster of emotions.

If you read only one post this month, make it Bill Cipher's.

At last a poster the whole family can go see.   

[EdinVA]

Just a quick personal note. If the GOPe does what this thread indicates it will, I'll follow your principled stand, and WILL NOT vote for Crubio, or whatever combination the GOPe throws together to deprive Trump, and his supporters of a fair, neutral convention. And I don't think I'll be alone.

Exactly... That is all I think most of us want.
If Trump loses fair and square with no interference from the party or their minions, then I can live with that, won't like it, but can accept it.