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The Death of the Tea Party
« on: January 20, 2016, 05:10:45 am »
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430028/tea-party-movement-dead

Today brought news that Sarah Palin is endorsing Donald Trump.

Trump’s an odd figure to win the heart of a public figure once so synonymous with the tea-party movement. He boasts of the influence his money has bought him with politicians, including Charlie Crist, Arlen Specter, and Harry Reid, some of the movement’s biggest enemies. He supported the TARP and auto bailouts and praised socialized medicine. He’s currently touting ethanol subsidies to the rafters in Iowa, and his tax plan would increase the deficit by $10 trillion, according to the Tax Foundation. The day the Tea Party debuted, he praised Obama as “a champion.”

And yet, here we are. The woman who became the Tea Party’s biggest star is officially behind Trump. How did the movement come to this? Why is it so marginal compared to the heights of its power in 2009 and 2010? Is it even a coherent political force anymore?

Theory One: Too many of the Tea Party’s leaders left office and moved on.

Quite a few of the political figures most associated with the movement are no longer in public office. Representative Michele Bachmann retired after the 2014 cycle. Former Senator Jim DeMint resigned from the Senate to take over the Heritage Foundation. Former Virginia attorney general Ken Cuccinelli lost his bid for governor in 2013 and now runs the Senate Conservatives Fund. The governor he sought to replace, Bob McDonnell, is currently appealing his conviction on federal corruption charges. Former Massachusetts senator Scott Brown was once hailed for winning “the Tea Party’s first electoral victory.” He lost his reelection bid to Democrat Elizabeth Warren in 2012, and a subsequent race for the Senate in New Hampshire last cycle.

Then there’s Palin. She announced her resignation as governor barely five months after Obama’s inauguration. Through much of 2010, she was one of the movement’s driving forces, providing much-needed endorsements to lesser-known GOP primary challengers. Throughout 2011 and 2012, her fans eagerly awaited a campaign for the presidency that never materialized. She’s since written best-selling books and sustained a lucrative career as a TV star, without ever again giving serious thought to running for office.

Theory Two: Too many embarrassing candidates tainted the movement’s reputation.

Christine O’Donnell sticks out as one of the Tea Party’s worst candidates. She lost her 2010 Senate race by 16 points, is perhaps best remembered for her “I’m not a witch, I’m you” ad, and is currently fighting the Federal Election Commission over allegations that she and her former campaign manager diverted $20,000 in political contributions for personal use. Several other tea-party candidates flopped against Democratic opponents perceived to be beatable: Sharron Angle and Ken Buck lost winnable Senate races in 2010, as did Richard Mourdock in 2012.

All political movements have their disappointments, but there’s no doubt that by spotlighting passionate amateurs and untested candidates, the Tea Party helped shove some candidates who were simply unelectable into the spotlight. These candidates helped a hostile media paint the movement as extreme and unhinged.

After the 2014 midterms, the Republican party enjoyed a roaring comeback; all told, they’ve now picked up 11 governorships, 13 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 913 state legislative seats, and 30 state legislative chambers in the Obama era. But the Tea Party’s reputation never recovered. In 2011, 30 percent of Americans told Gallup they considered themselves “tea-party supporters.” By October 2015, only 17 percent said the same.

Theory Three: The Tea Party actually won, and now represents the true GOP “establishment.”

As Mark Antonio Wright points out, it’s jarring to hear Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, and Trey Gowdy now described as “Establishment” figures. The Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, and Palin all cheered when Mitt Romney picked Ryan as his running mate. How quickly the outsiders become insiders.

The 2016 Republican presidential field burst at the seams with Republican officials once considered tea-party favorites: Scott Walker of Wisconsin, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Rick Perry of Texas. A 2010 Newsweek piece on the Tea Party included Carly Fiorina’s Senate bid in California, and even John Kasich ran that year by saying, “I was in the Tea Party before there was a Tea Party.” Ted Cruz, of course, gave the movement one of its biggest victories when he upset Lieutenant Governor David Dewhurst in the 2012 Texas senatorial primary.

Yet, none of these candidates have galvanized and united the movement that roared in 2010. Perhaps Cruz comes closest, but as Palin’s endorsement of Trump demonstrates, he’s not everyone’s first choice.

Theory Four: Most members of the Tea Party actually never cared much about ideology or governing philosophy, just attitude.

At the height of the movement’s cultural power, disdainful liberals enjoyed citing the nonsensical “keep your government hands off my Medicare” as a Tea Party rallying cry and arguing that most Tea Party members were in fact comfortable with big government, even if they were too stupid to realize it. Another favorite left-wing line of thinking was that the movement didn’t object to big-government spending in general so much as big-government spending on other people.

The movement has indisputably undergone some uncomfortable ideological contortions over time, as most movements do. Folks who roared with fury about Obama’s big-spending early years showed little appetite for entitlement reform. Those who once fumed about runaway government invading the citizenry’s privacy appear comfortable enough with Big Brother as long as he’s leaving them alone.

In September, Glenn Beck, one of the few big-name tea partiers who have been resolutely opposed to Trump since the beginning, suggested that he doubted any real members of the movement supported Trump — and that any that did were, in fact, driven by the racism that critics carped about.

“I don’t think these are Tea Party people who are following [Trump],” Beck said. “Some of them may be, but I think these — I mean, you can’t — if you were a Tea Party person, then you were lying. You were lying. It was about Barack Obama being black. It was about him being a Democrat, because this guy is offering you many of the same things, as shallow as the same way.”

Maybe the Tea Party isn’t splintered and weak. Maybe it’s dead.

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Re: The Death of the Tea Party
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 05:17:04 am »
National Review basing its narrative on Glenn Beck?  That's rich.

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 05:26:02 am »
National Review basing its narrative on Glenn Beck?  That's rich.

Beck isn't mentioned until the second to last paragraph...well, at least you read it, before you commented.  I thought it was an interesting piece.

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 05:30:13 am »
Beck isn't mentioned until the second to last paragraph...well, at least you read it, before you commented.  I thought it was an interesting piece.

Yes.  Interesting.

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Re: The Death of the Tea Party
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 06:05:25 am »
For my own use, I coined the term "contemporary conservatives" mainly because it is an ever moving target, very much of the current moment, not much tied to who they were, or what they used to be for.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 06:32:36 am »
For my own use, I coined the term "contemporary conservatives" mainly because it is an ever moving target, very much of the current moment, not much tied to who they were, or what they used to be for.

I like your term very much.  It is not judgmental or antagonistic, but it clearly defines today's conservatives as being different in substance and tone from the conservatism of the once gold standard Reagan.  It is a much better term than "true con" or "real con."

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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 06:57:18 am »
I like your term very much.  It is not judgmental or antagonistic, but it clearly defines today's conservatives as being different in substance and tone from the conservatism of the once gold standard Reagan.  It is a much better term than "true con" or "real con."

I settled on it because I never know WTF will be next. I was an angry young man in 1986 when supposed conservative icon put forth  amnesty.

Now older (probably no wiser) I have found mental health starts with adaptability. So I adapted, and decided amnesty had been a reasonable solution for the times.

Then next I must realize that no, I have adapted to just the wrong standard. There should be no amnesty, say all good conservatives of the day.

See it is a moving target. Same thing goes to an extend with social issues versus personal freedom concepts.

There was once an organization named "Log Cabin" but they are done for. Contemporary conservatives demand hostility towards gays, in principle. Never mind the Father of modern conservatism, Goldwater, was okay with that segment of society, or Cheney was okay too.

And so it all goes. Following 2012 loss, it was determined by election autopsy that the GOP needed to get closer to Hispanics, be less hostile. Boom, cometh the Donald like a storm and smashes that in month one of the primary season.

So like I said, I never know WTF comes next. I don't take an anchored type of stance. Politics has never been more fascinating on an operational level. It is not particularly intellectually stimulating however.

The World Hq. of TBN, Trinity Broadcasting Network, is less than 10 miles from me. Benny Hinn lives about 25 miles down the coast in an ocean view mansion, thanks to the revenue derived from generous and not particularly intellectually demanding or consistent evangelicals.

As a teen in the OC, the JBS was out in the open. I dated two beautiful girls in the senior year of HS, who's fathers asked me which political candidate my family supported. It was simple-Goldwater.

Nixon was an OC native born citizen, by the way. The OC was known as Reagan Country. Lots and lots of fund raising in Newport Beach, home to John Wayne, Joey Bishop, and a few others.

But the spiritual center of conservatism has moved away from here, to I don't know where--probably somewhere in Texas.
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Re: The Death of the Tea Party
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 08:52:58 am »
See it is a moving target. Same thing goes to an extend with social issues versus personal freedom concepts.

There was once an organization named "Log Cabin" but they are done for. Contemporary conservatives demand hostility towards gays, in principle. Never mind the Father of modern conservatism, Goldwater, was okay with that segment of society, or Cheney was okay too.

Thank you for the background ts.  You're a little older than I, but not much.  The Log Cabin Republicans were prominent in WI politics for most of the 90's.  I have never cared much about homosexuality or it's deeper societal implications.  If some one was for lower taxes, a strong military, and against abortion I have always figured that was an ally.  At the same time I have not elevated homosexual rights to the same level as equality for women or blacks.  Although it is possible that gays could be a more reliable voting block on economic issues in the long run if they were pursued.

I understand what you mean by a "moving target," and I agree that from an operational level this is an exciting time...I have never believed politics to be intellectual stimulating, other than as a base line of American societal values to compare against other countries...but as a social and cultural drama nothing engrosses me more.


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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 02:59:39 pm »
Republicans wonder 'what the hell' happened to their 'Grand Old Party.'

Good ole globalist, elitist, sell-out Mitch.  What a jewel of leadership and admiration he is among progressive republicans everywhere ..

Mitch McConnell Is Vowing To 'Crush' The Tea Party Everywhere

Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell predicted the GOP establishment will destroy conservative insurgents attempting to unseat a trio of incumbents in an interview with The New York Times published Sunday.

"I think we are going to crush them everywhere," McConnell said. "I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country."

Mitch McConnell Sends Tea Party a Message: Don't Get in My Way

Kentucky’s senior senator wants to be majority leader more than anything else and he has been determined to crush conservative opposition in Tuesday’s primary to do it.

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Re: The Death of the Tea Party
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 04:33:50 pm »
Republicans wonder 'what the hell' happened to their 'Grand Old Party.'

Good ole globalist, elitist, sell-out Mitch.  What a jewel of leadership and admiration he is among progressive republicans everywhere ..

Mitch McConnell Is Vowing To 'Crush' The Tea Party Everywhere

Republican Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell predicted the GOP establishment will destroy conservative insurgents attempting to unseat a trio of incumbents in an interview with The New York Times published Sunday.

"I think we are going to crush them everywhere," McConnell said. "I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country."

Mitch McConnell Sends Tea Party a Message: Don't Get in My Way

Kentucky’s senior senator wants to be majority leader more than anything else and he has been determined to crush conservative opposition in Tuesday’s primary to do it.


Tea Party killed itself when it let the Tea Party Hijacker groups like FREEDOM Works, Club for GROWTH, Tea Party Patriots and the other 1100+ take over the movement for personal financial gain. That is what happens with no leadership. If they would have formally organized and STOP the Hijacker groups they would be a force. That being said the TP people are still going to vote and cannot be ignored.
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Re: The Death of the Tea Party
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 05:39:47 pm »

Groups and leadership have been subjects of scholarly study. The Tea Party lends itself to such analysis.

Alcoholics Anonymous has been studied, for its success and longevity in view of NOT following top down organizational models.

Al Qaeda has also been considered along similar lines. In fact all of islam could be covered, since there does NOT appear to be power residing in anything like a Pope or head Bishop.

Anyway now Tea Party. The big advantage early on was the "grass roots" bottom up nature. But quickly it fell to fundraising professionals, who continue until now, using the name.

I get regular emails from Tea Party Express. The effort is led by Sal Russo, longtime Republican fundraising expert.

The thing to remember about fundraising, in any form is that people at the top rake in very big bucks. They get expenses, commissions on funds raised, and commissions again on advertisement money spent.

All in all, a very good gig for the few that master it. The relative amateurs in the true Tea Party movement, mostly fell by the wayside to the big time pros.

 
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Re: The Death of the Tea Party
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2016, 05:48:51 pm »
If they would have formally organized and STOP the Hijacker groups they would be a force.

If they had formally organized, their 'leadership' would have been infiltrated, compromised and corrupted just like the GOP and the Dems...

Guerrilla warfare still works best against an entrenched adversary...


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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 06:54:38 pm »
If they had formally organized, their 'leadership' would have been infiltrated, compromised and corrupted just like the GOP and the Dems...

Guerrilla warfare still works best against an entrenched adversary...

Possible but that would have depended on the LEADERSHIP. However, would have, should have, could have, now a moot point.

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2016, 07:13:50 pm »
Beck isn't mentioned until the second to last paragraph...well, at least you read it, before you commented.  I thought it was an interesting piece.
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This article is a good example of where the Conservative Establishment is failing so bad this year. They simply don't realize they have become part of the machine.

The Tea Party got corrupted and co-opted. Politicians put themselves at the front of the Tea Party movement to ride it to power. As soon as they got elected, they dropped it for the perks of power.

Go look at what the GOP promised the Tea Party voters in 2010 and 2014? Did they even TRY to accomplish any of it?

NO, because they never had any intention of doing it.

 You can only lie to people so often before they stop listening. The  faux" Conservatives" in the DC political/media machine had their shot and they failed, completely.  Many people, Democrats and Republicans, have simply woken up to the fact that the self styled "Conservative" machine is every bit as inept, corrupt and defiantly arrogant as the Democrats.

We are not staying on the "Conservative"  or the "Liberal" Establishment electoral plantations any more.

We are going to find someone who actually is looking to FIX things not just mouth the nice sounding "Conservative" platitudes and cliches on the campaign trail then go to DC and play politics as usual

Right now Trump is having his moment. If he fails, we will find someone else but what is done is keeping the "peasants" on the "Republican" or "Democrat" electoral plantations by blaming the "other side" for these continual failure to fix anything year after year after year


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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2016, 07:23:22 pm »
For my own use, I coined the term "contemporary conservatives" mainly because it is an ever moving target, very much of the current moment, not much tied to who they were, or what they used to be for.

What happened is the small Government Conservatives have been corrupted and co-opted by the machine.

Too hard to fight the Left so let just surrender on issues like Gay Marriage and Amnesty. Let just get along on these issues that are hard. And year after year they retreated and surrendered until the difference between those who in the 1980s  claimed to be "Conservative Republicans" and "Liberal Democrats" have become indistinguishable. GOP finally gets control of the Government finally under GW Bush, did anything change? No the Presidency of GW Bush and Clinton are virtually identical in terms of spending, growth and intrusion of the Fed Government, regulatory burden etc.

In order to gain power, "Conservatives" became moderate Democrats. Now the bill for that political corruptionof their principals is due and the DC Conservatives cannot understand why their tame electoral peasants are revolting!

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2016, 04:46:02 am »
Go look at what the GOP promised the Tea Party voters in 2010 and 2014?

I don't need to look at what the GOP promised Tea Party voters in 2014.  The quote is just above.  "I think we are going to crush them everywhere," McConnell said. "I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country."


That was a promise kept.

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« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2016, 04:48:22 am »
I don't need to look at what the GOP promised Tea Party voters in 2014.  The quote is just above.  "I think we are going to crush them everywhere," McConnell said. "I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country."


That was a promise kept.

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Are you happy with that?

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« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2016, 04:58:27 am »
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Are you happy with that?
Yes and no.
Yes because it confirmed my world view of how Washington works, and no because sometimes I'm a starry eyed dreamer too.

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« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2016, 05:01:08 am »
Yes and no.
Yes because it confirmed my world view of how Washington works, and no because sometimes I'm a starry eyed dreamer too.

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Never stop dreaming. 

I have come to the conclusion that on a personal level, the average American has (-)0.00% of changing anything in Washington, D.C.

If you have a few billion dollars in your bank account, you have a small chance of making a dent.