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Authorities: Gunman's 13 Guns Purchased Legally
« on: October 02, 2015, 08:04:11 pm »
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Friday, 02 Oct 2015 12:46 PM

The gunman who killed nine people at an Oregon college had served in the U.S. Army for about a month in 2008 before being discharged for failing to meet administrative standards, military records showed.

Christopher Harper Mercer was enlisted from Nov. 5 until Dec. 11 in 2008 in Fort Jackson, S.C., according to the records.

CNN, citing law enforcement sources, said Mercer had left behind writings that showed animosity toward black people. Authorities said they had recovered 13 legally purchased guns at his apartment and on his person since the shooting.

Of the13 weapons, six were found at the university and seven at the shooter's residence, authorities said at a news conference on Friday. Special Agent Celinez Nunez of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said all weapons in the shooter's possession were legally purchased. Weapons recovered at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg included five pistols and a rifle.

The Los Angeles Times reported that Mercer was a "hate-filled" individual who had anti-religion, anti-government and white supremacy leanings, according to two law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation quoted by the newspaper.

During the Thursday rampage, Mercer, 26, wore body armor and had extra ammunition, although it is unclear whether he carried the ammunition during the shooting or left it in his car, a federal source said Friday.

Police were inspecting all of the cars left in school lots, said the federal source, who was not identified because the investigation is continuing.

Residents of the quiet Oregon town struggled to comprehend the carnage left by the latest U.S. mass shooting as investigators puzzled over what drove a young gunman to kill nine people -- apparently  targeting some because they were Christian -- in a college classroom before he died in an exchange of gunfire with police.
The Thursday late-morning shooting rampage at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, a former timber town of 20,000 on the western edge of the Cascade Mountains, ranked as the deadliest mass killing this year in the United States.

In one classroom, the gunman, who carried mutiple guns, appeared to pick out Christian students for killing, according to witnesses.

“He said, ‘Good, because you’re a Christian, you’re going to see God in just about one second,'” said Stacy Boylan, the father of one injured woman, Anastasia Boylan. “And then he shot and killed them.”

The gunman stormed into a classroom in Snyder Hall on campus, shot a professor at point-blank range, then ordered cowering students to stand up and state their religion before he shot them one by one, according to survivors' accounts.

Seven people were hospitalized, three of them listed as critical.

The killer died after exchanging gunfire with two police officers who confronted him.

Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin vowed never to utter the shooter's name calling the killings 'a horrific act of cowardice.'

In a photo posted on what was believed to be his MySpace profile, a young man with a shaved head and dark-rimmed eyeglasses stares into the camera while holding a rifle.

During the shooting, students in a classroom next door heard several shots, one right after the next, and their teacher told them to leave.

"We began to run," student Hannah Miles said. "A lot of my classmates were going every which way. We started to run to the center of campus. And I turned around, and I saw students pouring out of the building."

At least nine people were killed and seven others wounded Thursday, the fourth day of classes at Umpqua Community College in this former timber town 180 miles south of Portland. The worst mass shooting in recent Oregon history was raising questions about security at the college with about 3,000 students.

"I suspect this is going to start a discussion across the country about how community colleges prepare themselves for events like this," former college president Joe Olson said.

Mercer lived in an apartment complex in nearby Winchester, where investigators found a number of firearms, Douglas County Sheriff John Hanlin said Friday. Details about the number and type of guns would be released later, he said.

A neighbor, Bronte Harte, told The Associated Press that Mercer "seemed really unfriendly" and would "sit by himself in the dark in the balcony with this little light."

Harte said a woman she believed to be Mercer's mother also lived upstairs and was "crying her eyes out" Thursday.

Social profiles linked to Mercer suggested he was fascinated by the IRA, frustrated by traditional organized religion and tracked other mass shootings.

There didn't seem to be many recent connections on the social media sites linked to Mercer, with his MySpace page just showing two friends.

In addition to the MySpace page, Mercer appeared to have at least one online dating profile, a torrents streaming account and a blog.

On a torrents streaming site and blog that appeared to belong to Mercer, posts referenced multiple shootings and downloads included several horror films and a documentary on a mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. A blog post urged readers to watch the online footage of Vester Flanagan shooting two former colleagues on live TV in Virginia, while another lamented materialism as preventing spiritual development.

A MySpace page that appeared to belong to Mercer included several photos and graphics of the Irish Republican Army as well as a picture of Mercer holding a rifle.

Mercer previously lived in the Los Angeles-area suburb of Torrance with his mother. Neighbors there recalled him as uncommunicative.

His father, Ian Mercer, said late Thursday that it's been a "devastating day" for him and his family, and he has been talking to police and the FBI about the shooting. He spoke to KABC-TV and several other media outlets gathered outside his house in Tarzana, California.

Step-sister Carmen Nesnick said the shooting didn't make sense.

"All he ever did was put everyone before himself, he wanted everyone to be happy," she told KCBS-TV.

Hanlin, the sheriff, said Thursday that he was not going to say the shooter's name because that's what he would have wanted.

"I will not name the shooter. I will not give him the credit he probably sought prior to this horrific and cowardly act," said a visibly angry Hanlin.

Hundreds went to a candlelight vigil Thursday night, with many raising candles as the hymn "Amazing Grace" was played.

Sam Sherman, a former student, said the school helped broaden his opportunities.

"That's all I could think about today. There's 10, 9 kids who won't get those doors opened," he said.

Roseburg is in Douglas County, a politically conservative region west of the Cascade Range where people like to hunt and fish. But it's no stranger to school gun violence. A freshman at the local high school shot and wounded a fellow student in 2006.
'WE'VE BECOME NUMB"

At the White House, a visibly angry President Barack Obama challenged Americans across the political spectrum to press their elected leaders to enact tougher firearms-safety laws.

He lashed out at the National Rifle Association gun lobby for blocking reforms and lamented how common mass shootings had become.

"Somehow this has become routine. The reporting is routine. My response here, at this podium, ends up being routine," he said. "We've become numb to this."

Residents at an apartment house a short distance from campus where the suspect lived recognized him from photos and described him as edgy.

A man identifying himself as Ian Mercer, the gunman's father, spoke briefly to a throng of reporters and camera crews outside his home in Los Angeles on Thursday night.

"It's been a devastating day, devastating for me and my family," he said, according to a transcript provided by KNBC-TV.

Authorities offered no motive for the shooting. Hanlin, the county sheriff, said an investigation was underway by homicide detectives and federal agents. Residents of Roseburg, about 260 miles (420 km) south of Portland, were left to ponder the how and why of the violence.

"ARE YOU A CHRISTIAN?"

Accounts from survivors were chilling.

Stacy Boylan  told CNN his daughter recalled seeing her professor being shot point blank as the assailant stormed into the classroom.

"He was able to stand there and start asking people one by one what their religion was," Boylan said, relating the ordeal as described by his daughter. "'Are you a Christian?' he would ask them. ... 'If you're a Christian, stand up. Good. Because you're a Christian, you're going to see God in just about one second,' and he shot and killed them. And he kept going down the line, doing this to people."

Another family member,  Autumn Vican,  described to NBC News what her brother J.J. witnessed in the room where the shootings occurred. According to NBC: “Vicari said at one point the shooter told people to stand up before asking whether they were Christian or not. Vicari’s brother told her that anyone who responded ‘yes’ was shot in the head. If they said ‘other’ or didn’t answer, they were shot elsewhere in the body, usually the leg.”

Scores of people huddled at a somber candlelight vigil in a park on Thursday night.

"We need to start loving each other as people ... or our nation is going to start falling apart," said Michael Sprague, 35, a businessman who lives in the Roseburg area.

The violence in Roseburg was the latest in a flurry of mass killings in recent years across the United States and the deadliest so far in 2015. It surpassed the nine killed in a gun battle between motorcycle gangs in Waco, Texas, in May, and the nine who died in the rampage at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, in June.

Not counting Thursday's incident, 293 mass shootings have been reported this year, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker website, a crowd-sourced database kept by anti-gun activists that logs events in which four or more people are shot.

The violence has fueled demands for more gun control in the United States, where ownership of firearms is protected by the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and for better care for the mentally ill.

Those grieving at Thursday night's vigil said they were still trying to understand the tragedy.

"You know, there's all this stuff in the news and with politics going on about the Second Amendment and gun control," said Ken Shemel. "It's like, 'Come on, guys, just give us a second to breathe,' you know?"

 


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Re: Authorities: Gunman's 13 Guns Purchased Legally
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 10:44:31 pm »
Obama - "Somehow this has become routine. The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine, the conversation in the aftermath of it ... We have become numb to this," he complained.


Not numb. Not routine. Just recognizing there's precious little that can be done to replace "crystal balls" and magic in identifying each and every potential future perpetrator prior to there being severe indicators. At least, in a liberty-centric society that values the rule of law. Gotta have a darned good reason to jump on someone's head and destroy their individual liberty to remain free, if you're gonna do that. And absent key, severe indicators, nobody has authority to jump on just everyone in an assumption folks are risks and potential threats.

 So. Where does that leave a society that value the rule of law? What can be done to ensure (a) folks have the greatest possible chance of survival and (b) we all have the greatest possible opportunity of identifying such dire threats sooner?

•Be armed and capable of withstanding violence, if it does come.


•Be continually on watch for potential indicators of severe disturbance and portents of violent behavior. (Family, close friends, doctors, teachers and mentors, etc.)


•When key indicators are identified, take action to explore the full meaning of such things ... whether it's a report of dangerousness from a psychologist or teacher, or a request for help or warning by a family member or close friends, or whatever.


•Actually have a proper mental health policy and method nation-wide, to cope with those who are truly on the edge and who've been identified as such; along with means of legally segregating people from larger society in extreme cases where it's warranted, through due-process and commitment/incarceration as appropriate.


•But, staying off the backs of everyone else; retaining the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty via due-process; getting back to a Constitutional approach to crime control, instead of a continual undermining and circumventing through criminalizing everything ... how big, which caliber, how sharp, how many magazines, how many things that "go up," when and where carried, when/where/how acquired, how documented, validated and checked considered guilty unless a person proves innocence prior to acquisition, holding people responsible in victimless and harm-free incidents where some paper statute or code is the only thing "broken" ...


 That's pretty much it, IMO. So long as we want to retain the rule of law and liberty. And to the degree we don't and are willing to piss away that birthright, we'll keep allowing destroying encroachments upon those things.
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Re: Authorities: Gunman's 13 Guns Purchased Legally
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 10:54:47 pm »
White supremacy, my Aunt Fanny.
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Re: Authorities: Gunman's 13 Guns Purchased Legally
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2015, 12:25:24 am »
[[ The Los Angeles Times reported that Mercer was a "hate-filled" individual who had anti-religion, anti-government and white supremacy leanings, according to two law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation quoted by the newspaper. ]]

Do my eyes deceive me, or does this guy look to be "half-black"?



We've seen pictures of his father in the news, but none of his mother.

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2015, 12:35:41 am »
[[ The Los Angeles Times reported that Mercer was a "hate-filled" individual who had anti-religion, anti-government and white supremacy leanings, according to two law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation quoted by the newspaper. ]]

Do my eyes deceive me, or does this guy look to be "half-black"?



We've seen pictures of his father in the news, but none of his mother.

So?  Most of these guys are wanting fame at any cost. Maybe not most..a significant percentage anyway.  Their lives are crap and for some reason they believe they are being cheated. 

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Re: Authorities: Gunman's 13 Guns Purchased Legally
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2015, 01:50:00 am »
He's been described as mixed-race, whatever that means, thus my skepticism that he was a white supremacist. He looks just like Odumbo's imaginary son.
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Re: Authorities: Gunman's 13 Guns Purchased Legally
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2015, 02:19:01 am »
Further reading confirms that his mother is indeed black...

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Re: Authorities: Gunman's 13 Guns Purchased Legally
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 02:50:13 am »
I expect I'll get flamed for this but people need to start thinking about their strategy if they find themselves confronted by a murderous mad man. A room full of people should not fall victim to one armed crazy without putting up a fight. Considering it may be for your life, the fight should be ferocious. Don't wait to be shot or watch as others are shot. Go on the offense and attack. If five or six people had rushed the bastard some may have been killed but he most likely would have been stopped. Think about it before it happens. I realize such action will not take place unless t is thought out before hand and people are prepared to act after considering if they don't they will most likely be victims.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 09:45:38 am »
Oregon shooter vs. Obama's 'universal background check'
ATF: 13 guns found in man's possession
Published: 9 hours ago

 

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms said at a press conference Friday that 13 firearms were recovered from the person and the residence of Oregon mass shooter Christopher Harper Mercer.

The 26-year-old who shot and killed nine people at Umpqua Community College Thursday before losing his own life in a shootout with police had legal possession of all the guns, the ATF reported.

The ATF said all the weapons were purchased legally, either by Mercer or his family members. Mercer was also wearing a flak jacket, which included five ammunition magazines.

President Obama has hammered on the theme that America is the only industrialized nation that has repeated mass shootings and he blamed “gun violence” on the nation’s lack of gun control. He has advocated “common sense” proposals such as a universal background check using a centralized database across the 50 states.

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What this new information from ATF demonstrates is that the kinds of gun control that the prohibition lobby has been pushing, namely the “universal background checks,” would not have prevented the tragedy in Oregon, said David Workman, senior editor of TheGunMag.com.

“The shooter reportedly had a clean record, and according to the ATF, he purchased several of those guns,” Workman said. “All the firearms were legally purchased from a firearms dealer, so background checks would have been involved.”

Obama said he knew he would be criticized for trying to “politicize” the tragic shooting but said that exactly what needed to happen in order to rein in “gun violence.”

But none of the president’s gun restrictions would have prevented Thursday’s mass shooting at the community college, said Alan Gottlieb, executive vice president and founder of the Second Amendment Foundation.

“None of the gun control proposals that Obama or the gun control crowd are proposing would have stopped this terrible tragedy,” Gottlieb said. “They are being intellectually dishonest. They are also being dishonest calling for new ‘gun safety’ legislation. This has nothing to do with gun safety. They know that everyone supports gun safety so they are using that term to manipulate the debate.”

If the president and his allies are successful in exploiting the rash of high-profile shootings, what will happen is law abiding gun owners will be harassed by new laws while thugs like Mercer will continue to cause more sorrow and tragedy, Gottlieb said.

What Gottlieb, Workman and other gun rights advocates have repeatedly advised is that “no gun zones” are what encourage would-be killers to invade a public space such as a school and start shooting.

Umpqua Community College had one security guard who was unarmed.

CBS and the Associated Press both reported the UCC campus is a gun-free zone, and quoted the college’s security policy, which states: “Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.”

According to NBC News, UCC had considered hiring armed security for the campus. School officials ultimately rejected the idea. According to retired UCC President Joe Olson, “We thought we were a very safe campus, and having armed security officers on campus might change the culture.” That “culture” now appears to have been changed, possibly forever.

Meanwhile, others were casting blame on the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association.

Andy Parker, whose daughter Alison was the Virginia television reporter shot to death on live TV in August, penned an emotional column for the New York Daily News, imploring lawmakers to pass responsible gun laws in the wake of a mass shooting Thursday in Oregon. “This has to stop,” he wrote, continuing with the following passage, picking up on Obama’s talking points of “common sense” measures, the exact same points hammered by billionaire Michael Bloomberg’s Every Town Against Gun Violence.

    “I was a Reagan Republican years ago. I have slowly watched the party devolve into something Reagan wouldn’t recognize today – nor would he be a part of it.

    “Republican legislators across the country refuse to consider common sense measures to prevent the horrific gun violence that kills our loved ones each and every day. By refusing to act, they are aiding and abetting domestic terrorism.

    “Shame on them for being the cowards that they are. Is the support of a fringe element of the NRA so important that they are willing to accept our children as collateral damage? We are at war in this country, and we must win – whatever it takes.

    “When I heard about this shooting in Oregon, I thought, this can’t be. Not this soon. I knew it would happen again. We are a country with a strong gun culture. But I wasn’t expecting it to be this soon.”


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