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June 02, 2015, 03:57 pm
Obama: Netanyahu undermines Israeli credibility 'as a whole'

By Jordan Fabian

President Obama says Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s position on Palestinian statehood undermines the credibility of his country.

Netanyahu has recently expressed willingness to re-enter talks with Palestinians, but Obama said his stance contains “so many caveats, so many conditions, that it is not realistic to think that those conditions would be met any time in the near future.”

“The danger here is that Israel as a whole loses credibility,” Obama said in an interview with Israel’s Channel 2 television network that aired Tuesday.

Obama’s comments could further escalate his long-running feud with Israel’s leader over the two-state solution and the U.S.’s pursuit of a nuclear deal with Iran.

Netanyahu drew the ire of the White House when he ruled out the creation of a Palestinian state during his reelection campaign in March, but he later walked back those comments.

The Israeli prime minister said this week he is committed to a two-state solution, but he wants the talks to start with Israel carving out settlement territory it seeks to keep in a peace agreement. Palestinian officials have dismissed Netanyahu’s offer.

"I remain committed to the idea that the only way we can achieve a lasting peace is through the concept of two states for two peoples — a demilitarized Palestinian state that recognizes the Jewish nation state of Israel," Netanyahu said Sunday.

But the president suggested that Palestinian officials and others may not see Netanyahu as a reliable negotiating partner.

“Already, the international community does not believe that Israel is serious about a two-state solution,” Obama said. “The statement the prime minister made compounded that belief that there’s not a commitment there.”

The president cast doubt on the possibility of a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians during his presidency.

“I don’t see a likelihood of a framework agreement,” he said.

Following Netanyahu’s reelection, Obama suggested the United States could reevaluate its diplomatic position toward Israel. White House officials suggested the U.S. may not defend Israel against resolutions it deems hostile at the United Nations and other international bodies.

The president said that position remains unchanged.

“If, in fact, there’s no prospect of an actual peace process, if nobody believes there’s a peace process, then it becomes more difficult to argue with those who are concerned about settlement construction, those who are concerned about the current situation,” Obama said.

But Obama fended off accusations from some in Israel that a peace deal would put the country at risk because it would cede land to a Palestinian state that the Israelis see as crucial to their security.

“I have never suggested that Israel should ever trade away its security for the prospect of peace,” he said. “I’ve never suggested that it is inappropriate for Israel to insist on any two-state solution taking into account the risks that what appears to be a peaceful government Palestinian Authority today could turn hostile.”

The president also defended the nuclear deal with Iran as the best way to prevent Teheran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. He said a military strike would do little to destroy their nuclear facilities.

“A military solution will not fix it, even if the United States participates, it would temporarily slow down an Iranian nuclear program, but it will not eliminate it," the president said.
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2015, 08:11:34 pm »
"Mister Projection", is our little Barry Soetoro.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2015, 08:22:31 pm »
This little nobody nothing never had a job "community organizer" (whatever the hell that is) piece of shit, is going to talk about a special forces paratrooper Israeli commando?

This is like a cricket yelling at a snake, and telling him 'I am better than you!'
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2015, 08:30:41 pm »
Hussein is a tiny piece of shit, when it comes to the M.E.

Yes, Ok, we know he is Muslim, or some kind of Muslim-ish person, but he does not have the trust of anyone. Nobody trusts Obama.

And now this joker buffoon idiot wants to talk about what this monkey banana eating retard thinks about Israel. I would be more concerned with what the world thinks about him, than what he thinks about Israel.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2015, 09:11:20 pm »
"Mister Projection", is our little Barry Soetoro.

True dat  :laugh:

But even a broken clock is right twice a day.  And this is one of Obama's broken clock moments.

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2015, 10:06:55 pm »
What's that adage about the pot calling the kettle black? :whistle:

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2015, 10:14:33 pm »
True dat  :laugh:

But even a broken clock is right twice a day.  And this is one of Obama's broken clock moments.

Your animosity toward Israel is puzzling.  Wish I knew where it stems from... :shrug:
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2015, 11:05:25 pm »
Your animosity toward Israel is puzzling.  Wish I knew where it stems from... :shrug: 

Your assumption that I have animosity toward Israel is wrong.  Yet, the assumption proves why Netanyahu undermines Israeli credibility as a whole.

I fully support Israel's right to exist in peace and security.  I am not a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu's policies or his methods.  He has proven himself through 25 years in the political spotlight to be untrustworthy and a liar--to friend and foe alike.   Unfortunately after so long in the spotlight he has become the face of the State of Israel and for many her essence.

I can differentiate between the leadership of Israel and the State of Israel.  But many individuals and world leaders either cannot or are weary of trying.  Netanyahu's worldwide reputation has become a leading cause of Israel's growing isolation and diminished global standing. 

I am pro-Israel but not pro-Netanyahu.  And, yes there is a difference.



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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2015, 01:49:10 am »

I am pro-Israel but not pro-Netanyahu.  And, yes there is a difference.

No you are not. You are a viral antisemit Jew hater. You are the worst of the worst.

I am pro-Israel and and and pro-Netanyahu. And yes there is a difference.

I am not a stupid ass fool like all you hippies are.

You think we should just give up? What do you think is going to happen to you? without people like me?

Do you think you will all sit in a circle and kiss each other.

This is reality. This is not some make believe stupid Liberal never never land.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2015, 02:09:48 am »
Your assumption that I have animosity toward Israel is wrong.  Yet, the assumption proves why Netanyahu undermines Israeli credibility as a whole.

I fully support Israel's right to exist in peace and security.  I am not a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu's policies or his methods.  He has proven himself through 25 years in the political spotlight to be untrustworthy and a liar--to friend and foe alike.   Unfortunately after so long in the spotlight he has become the face of the State of Israel and for many her essence.

I can differentiate between the leadership of Israel and the State of Israel.  But many individuals and world leaders either cannot or are weary of trying.  Netanyahu's worldwide reputation has become a leading cause of Israel's growing isolation and diminished global standing. 

I am pro-Israel but not pro-Netanyahu.  And, yes there is a difference.

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Your assumption that I have animosity toward Israel is wrong.  Yet, the assumption proves why Netanyahu undermines Israeli credibility as a whole.

I fully support Israel's right to exist in peace and security.  I am not a fan of Benjamin Netanyahu's policies or his methods.  He has proven himself through 25 years in the political spotlight to be untrustworthy and a liar--to friend and foe alike.   Unfortunately after so long in the spotlight he has become the face of the State of Israel and for many her essence.

I can differentiate between the leadership of Israel and the State of Israel.  But many individuals and world leaders either cannot or are weary of trying.  Netanyahu's worldwide reputation has become a leading cause of Israel's growing isolation and diminished global standing. 

I am pro-Israel but not pro-Netanyahu.  And, yes there is a difference.

At such a dangerous time, when Israel's very existence is a stake...and I don't care how many times it turned out that Bibi was crying wolf...who would you rather see as Prime Minister?   

Thank God that Israel built-up its military under his watch.  They're ready, but for Obama.   They have to go in knowing the USA has his back.

We don't.

But please tell me, who better for a leader at this time?
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2015, 08:15:18 am »
I am for Israel and Netanyahu. He is one great leader wish we had one like him but no such luck and I really don't see any 2016 candidates that is any where near his caliber. He loves his country and will do what it takes to protect Israel.

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2015, 11:45:54 am »
I am for Israel and Netanyahu. He is one great leader wish we had one like him but no such luck and I really don't see any 2016 candidates that is any where near his caliber. He loves his country and will do what it takes to protect Israel.

Amen, raml!    :beer:
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At such a dangerous time, when Israel's very existence is a stake...and I don't care how many times it turned out that Bibi was crying wolf...who would you rather see as Prime Minister?   

Thank God that Israel built-up its military under his watch.  They're ready, but for Obama.   They have to go in knowing the USA has his back.

We don't.

But please tell me, who better for a leader at this time? 

The situation is not quite that bleak.  We do have Israel's back militarily.  We continue to increasingly fund and supply every weapon Israel may need from the smallest to the most complex.  What we are not willing to do under Obama's watch is assist in an active war.  Again, a difference.

We still have Israel's back in the  UN --the one vote that prevents the rest of the world from imposing a strategy for a Palestinian state--and France is preparing that very strategy as I type.  We continue to use our influence at the ICC to Israel's favor.  We continue to protect the specifics of Israel's nuclear arsenal--an action that recently protected Israel causing Netanyahu to publically thank the Obama administration for doing so.

As for who is a better leader at this time?  For me, not being a supporter of Netanyahu does not translate into being a supporter of Obama.  Both men are small-minded , self-centered and intractable in the same ways--making critical and meaningful negotiations difficult, if not impossible.   Each is drawn to public fighting and demeaning of the other so often it has become an embarrassment for both nations. 

When it comes to the US-Israeli relationship neither man has risen to the level of statesman. Both nations deserve and need better from their respective leader. 

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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2015, 11:54:13 am »
Were it so that we had more leaders such as Netanyahu, the world would be a better place.
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2015, 12:12:48 pm »
The situation is not quite that bleak.  We do have Israel's back militarily.  We continue to increasingly fund and supply every weapon Israel may need from the smallest to the most complex.  What we are not willing to do under Obama's watch is assist in an active war.  Again, a difference.


IMO, that's very naive.  Tell me one thing that the current CIC has done to ensure Israel that we'll be there for them.

You can't.  You can't because Barack Obama is a lying, sniveling SOB.

Fact...not emotion.

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We still have Israel's back in the  UN --the one vote that prevents the rest of the world from imposing a strategy for a Palestinian state--and France is preparing that very strategy as I type.  We continue to use our influence at the ICC to Israel's favor.  We continue to protect the specifics of Israel's nuclear arsenal--an action that recently protected Israel causing Netanyahu to publically thank the Obama administration for doing so.

As for who is a better leader at this time?  For me, not being a supporter of Netanyahu does not translate into being a supporter of Obama.  Both men are small-minded , self-centered and intractable in the same ways--making critical and meaningful negotiations difficult, if not impossible.   Each is drawn to public fighting and demeaning of the other so often it has become an embarrassment for both nations. 

When it comes to the US-Israeli relationship neither man has risen to the level of statesman. Both nations deserve and need better from their respective leader.

We'll have to agree to disagree, RIV.  Never going to agree with you or change my mind on this.   :patriot:
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2015, 12:31:55 pm »
IMO, that's very naive.  Tell me one thing that the current CIC has done to ensure Israel that we'll be there for them.  You can't.  You can't because Barack Obama is a lying, sniveling SOB. Fact...not emotion.  We'll have to agree to disagree, RIV.  Never going to agree with you or change my mind on this.   :patriot:

Granted it's been done only for home based political expediency,  but the US under the Obama administration has been there for Israel in the three very critical examples I listed in my post.  Consider Israel's geopolitical position had the US failed to back Israel in any one of the three ways we have.

Having said that---I respect you and your opinion.  Thanks for the debate.   :beer:

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2015, 12:58:49 pm »
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2015, 01:03:12 pm »
IMO, that's very naive.  Tell me one thing that the current CIC has done to ensure Israel that we'll be there for them.

You can't.  You can't because Barack Obama is a lying, sniveling SOB.

Fact...not emotion.

We'll have to agree to disagree, RIV.  Never going to agree with you or change my mind on this.   :patriot:

And if I might add: Who has GREATLY  undermined U.S Credibility as a whole!
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2015, 08:27:00 pm »
Your history on this site belies your protestations.  No one is fooled. 

 :facepalm2:   Sink, sink, sink.  Have you not learned after all this time that your attempts at intimidation will not cause me to withhold my opinion.


Have you anything to say about the points I raised regarding Netanyahu's standing among world leaders?  Have you anything to say about Netanyahu's role in Israel's alarming and growing isolation?

Come on Sink, let's talk about this. 

 

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2015, 09:32:25 pm »
Granted it's been done only for home based political expediency,  but the US under the Obama administration has been there for Israel in the three very critical examples I listed in my post.  Consider Israel's geopolitical position had the US failed to back Israel in any one of the three ways we have.

Having said that---I respect you and your opinion.  Thanks for the debate.   :beer:

Same here, R-I-V.   :beer:
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