The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on June 12, 2020, 04:05:07 pm
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Ian Hanchett 11 Jun 2020
During a portion of an interview with the Fox News Channel released on Thursday, President Trump stated that he wouldn’t allow Seattle to “be occupied†and “If we have to go in, we’re going to go in.†Trump also urged Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (D) to use the National Guard but stated that “one way or the other, it’s going to get done. These people are not going to occupy a major portion of a great city.â€
Trump said, “If there were more toughness, you wouldn’t have the kind of devastation that you had in Minneapolis and in Seattle. I mean, let’s see what’s going on in Seattle. But I will tell you if they don’t straighten that situation out, we’re going to straighten it out.â€
He added, “What I mean is very simple, we’re not going to let Seattle be occupied by anarchists. … If we have to go in, we’re going to go in. The governor’s either going to do it, let the governor do it, he’s got great National Guard troops, he’ll — he can do it. But one way or the other, it’s going to get done. These people are not going to occupy a major portion of a great city.â€
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/11/trump-on-seattle-if-we-have-to-go-in-were-going-to-go-in/ (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/11/trump-on-seattle-if-we-have-to-go-in-were-going-to-go-in/)
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All talk, no action. Didn't he say he was going to send in the military a week or so ago if cities couldn't get the anarchy under control? Maybe if he had, Seattle wouldn't be occupied.
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All talk, no action. Didn't he say he was going to send in the military a week or so ago if cities couldn't get the anarchy under control? Maybe if he had, Seattle wouldn't be occupied.
If the President did 10% of the things you think he “should†do, his approval rating would be 10% and the House and Senate would have 2/3rds Dem majorities after this fall’s election. Before Troops can be sent in, its essential to attain a modicum of public support for such an action...which clearly does not exist yet. Let these idiots continue to flaunt their stupidity for a bit longer and support will grow for direct action...acting before that, might feel good, but would severely damage the support for the President specifically and for Conservatism more broadly.
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The time isn't yet ripe.
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Isn't this kind of a win-win. They now have their own country, therefore they should have to provide for everything for their people. This means the people of the U.S. don't have to supply them any healthcare, or any benefits whatsoever. Seems to me the nastiest of the nasty are all in one place. What a deal....
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Let those SOBs fend for themselves. When they get tired of playing their stupid games they will go away.
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If the President did 10% of the things you think he “should†do, his approval rating would be 10% and the House and Senate would have 2/3rds Dem majorities after this fall’s election. Before Troops can be sent in, its essential to attain a modicum of public support for such an action...which clearly does not exist yet. Let these idiots continue to flaunt their stupidity for a bit longer and support will grow for direct action...acting before that, might feel good, but would severely damage the support for the President specifically and for Conservatism more broadly.
Excuses. I was reading a headline today that said despite Trump's promise to sever ties with the WHO, those ties continue. Trump makes a lot of promises he has no intention of keeping and says many things he doesn't really mean. Typical Republican politician.
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Excuses. I was reading a headline today that said despite Trump's promise to sever ties with the WHO, those ties continue. Trump makes a lot of promises he has no intention of keeping and says many things he doesn't really mean. Typical Republican politician.
So your answer is to go all Waco on them Ala Clinton/ Janet Reno? He is a different/ better idea. Wait a while let the people in that area get sick and tired of the lack of food, lack of security, increased assaults, etc..... Let the American public see some of them go on the news begging to be "rescued". Then give those that want out 24 hours to leave. Tell them that anyone left inside the perimeter is fair game after that deadline. Invoke the Insurrection act and send in the Military with water cannons. Anyone that does not comply after that is shot on sight.
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So your answer is to go all Waco on them Ala Clinton/ Janet Reno? He is a different/ better idea. Wait a while let the people in that area get sick and tired of the lack of food, lack of security, increased assaults, etc..... Let the American public see some of them go on the news begging to be "rescued". Then give those that want out 24 hours to leave. Tell them that anyone left inside the perimeter is fair game after that deadline. Invoke the Insurrection act and send in the Military with water cannons. Anyone that does not comply after that is shot on sight.
Obviously Trump can't say out loud that the better option is allow these punks to crap their own nest and be a stinking example to the rest of the country, and let the local lunatic rats take the heat. Although he's almost obligated to say so, the feds wading into them plays right in to rats hands.
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Trump just gave Inslee a way out, without having to lift a finger.
If you don't do it, I will. This will make Trump the fall guy for the whole thing.
Of course Washington State will now just sit on their hands and wait for Trump to 'fix it' for them.
Why should they bother with it? Inslee said he doesn't even know it is happening?
Very much like a mother telling a child, "If you don't clean up your room, I will!"
What do you think will happen with an ultimatum like that?
Obviously the child will sneak out the window to go play, and will come home to a clean room. win/win
Trump should stay far away from this. The Liberals/MSM are looking for any reason, no matter how small, to blame this on him. So far the Democrats have not been able to pin this on Trump, and it is driving them crazy. Trump should keep it this way.
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Excuses. I was reading a headline today that said despite Trump's promise to sever ties with the WHO, those ties continue. Trump makes a lot of promises he has no intention of keeping and says many things he doesn't really mean. Typical Republican politician.
Its so easy and simplistic to claim inaction is "excuses". The truth is, often the wise policy is to do nothing, particularly when your opponent is self destructing. Let them self destruct for a bit. Your Trump-hate would blind your thinking whether he went in or not, so its hard to take your perspective too seriously...there's no choice the President could make that would satisfy the NT crowd, which is why you are almost universally ignored.
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Trump just gave Inslee a way out, without having to lift a finger.
If you don't do it, I will. This will make Trump the fall guy for the whole thing.
Of course Washington State will now just sit on their hands and wait for Trump to 'fix it' for them.
Why should they bother with it? Inslee said he doesn't even know it is happening?
Very much like a mother telling a child, "If you don't clean up your room, I will!"
What do you think will happen with an ultimatum like that?
Obviously the child will sneak out the window to go play, and will come home to a clean room. win/win
Trump should stay far away from this. The Liberals/MSM are looking for any reason, no matter how small, to blame this on him. So far the Democrats have not been able to pin this on Trump, and it is driving them crazy. Trump should keep it this way.
Inslee will be waiting a long time before Trump handles this for him...let the man sweat it out for a while. At some point, his own constituents will start demanding he do something. This is a "wait out" that Trump will win...Trump urging Inslee to do something or "he will" just adds more pressure on Inslee. Its a tactic on the President's part, and a good one.
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Yes, Trump does say things, and doesn't always act on them, which I am okay with.
I'd be upset of the government overreach if he did act on a lot of it.
But I have to give the President credit.
During the virus and during the protest, he's differed to the states.
He has made comments, and claims he'd do this or that, but, by-and-large, he's followed the 10 amendment pretty close in these situations.
Isn't that one of the things that all of us want?
Also, although a little callous of me to say this, this is a good political move in this instance.
If Inslee won't send in the National Guard, wait for him, or someone there, to ask the White House for help.
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Yes, Trump does say things, and doesn't always act on them, which I am okay with.
I'd be upset of the government overreach if he did act on a lot of it.
But I have to give the President credit.
During the virus and during the protest, he's differed to the states.
He has made comments, and claims he'd do this or that, but, by-and-large, he's followed the 10 amendment pretty close in these situations.
Isn't that one of the things that all of us want?
Also, although a little callous of me to say this, this is a good political move in this instance.
If Inslee won't send in the National Guard, wait for him, or someone there, to ask the White House for help.
Well said.
It would be one thing if the entire state were in insurrection...or if the state lacked the means to put this down. Neither of those being the case, the state leadership is currently opting to do nothing. This creates breathing space for the Federal government to wait things out, forcing the Governor to deal with something he has the MEANS to deal with...while standing ready IF the Governor requests Federal support. It seems likely that at some point, even liberal Seattle will have had enough of the this anarchy and economic devastation...when that point is reached...the President will be in a position to quash this WITH a broad base of support behind him. Call that political if you want to, and it is, but it is also adhering to the will of the people...which, as Groucho stated, is what all of us generally want from a President.
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Well said.
It would be one thing if the entire state were in insurrection...or if the state lacked the means to put this down. Neither of those being the case, the state leadership is currently opting to do nothing. This creates breathing space for the Federal government to wait things out, forcing the Governor to deal with something he has the MEANS to deal with...while standing ready IF the Governor requests Federal support. It seems likely that at some point, even liberal Seattle will have had enough of the this anarchy and economic devastation...when that point is reached...the President will be in a position to quash this WITH a broad base of support behind him. Call that political if you want to, and it is, but it is also adhering to the will of the people...which, as Groucho stated, is what all of us generally want from a President.
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Well said.
It would be one thing if the entire state were in insurrection...or if the state lacked the means to put this down. Neither of those being the case, the state leadership is currently opting to do nothing. This creates breathing space for the Federal government to wait things out, forcing the Governor to deal with something he has the MEANS to deal with...while standing ready IF the Governor requests Federal support. It seems likely that at some point, even liberal Seattle will have had enough of the this anarchy and economic devastation...when that point is reached...the President will be in a position to quash this WITH a broad base of support behind him. Call that political if you want to, and it is, but it is also adhering to the will of the people...which, as Groucho stated, is what all of us generally want from a President.
:amen: :beer:
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Nope. He's wrapping this around the democrat's throats and tying it with a big, bright bow.
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Well said.
It would be one thing if the entire state were in insurrection...or if the state lacked the means to put this down. Neither of those being the case, the state leadership is currently opting to do nothing. This creates breathing space for the Federal government to wait things out, forcing the Governor to deal with something he has the MEANS to deal with...while standing ready IF the Governor requests Federal support. It seems likely that at some point, even liberal Seattle will have had enough of the this anarchy and economic devastation...when that point is reached...the President will be in a position to quash this WITH a broad base of support behind him. Call that political if you want to, and it is, but it is also adhering to the will of the people...which, as Groucho stated, is what all of us generally want from a President.
Only problem is, Trump keeps making threats .... idle threats accomplishes nothing and in my opinion after awhile makes what ever he says irrelevant. Adhering to the "will of the people"? This country is governed by a set of laws and rules. We are not governed by mob rule, which is exactly what is being allowed to happen and no one is doing a darn thing about it.
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If the President did 10% of the things you think he “should†do, his approval rating would be 10% and the House and Senate would have 2/3rds Dem majorities after this fall’s election. Before Troops can be sent in, its essential to attain a modicum of public support for such an action...which clearly does not exist yet. Let these idiots continue to flaunt their stupidity for a bit longer and support will grow for direct action...acting before that, might feel good, but would severely damage the support for the President specifically and for Conservatism more broadly.
Agree
In the meantime, point out the ineptness of these Democratic mayors and governors. Present the question to the public, "if they can't run and govern their states and cities, how can they govern the entire country?"
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Agree
In the meantime, point out the ineptness of these Democratic mayors and governors. Present the question to the public, "if they can't run and govern their states and cities, how can they govern the entire country?"
Pointing out the flaws of the DEMS at this point is futile. The President needs to grab the bull by the horns and retake control and restore law and order, otherwise, we're just going to continue to see the same crop up in various different cities throughout the country. Allowing mob rule to govern is not the answer, especially since their objective is to destroy this Republic.
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Pointing out the flaws of the DEMS at this point is futile. The President needs to grab the bull by the horns and retake control and restore law and order, otherwise, we're just going to continue to see the same crop up in various different cities throughout the country. Allowing mob rule to govern is not the answer, especially since their objective is to destroy this Republic.
It's not ripe. I know, that's cold, but really, it's not time yet. It sucks to be the people who live in that neighborhood and don't agree, I understand there are a couple hundred residents.
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Pointing out the flaws of the DEMS at this point is futile. The President needs to grab the bull by the horns and retake control and restore law and order, otherwise, we're just going to continue to see the same crop up in various different cities throughout the country. Allowing mob rule to govern is not the answer, especially since their objective is to destroy this Republic.
Disagree here. Images of troops cracking skulls in an American city will only hurt Trump in the election. Trump is better off using his bully pulpit and waiting for the inevitable crack up of this movement. Unless lives are in imminent danger. Then the gloves gotta come off.
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Cyber wrote:
"The time isn't yet ripe."
Correct.
And Mr. Trump phrased his remarks so as to give local and state authorities time to resolve the problem themselves, before "making a federal case" out of it.
This is nothing less than armed insurrection, and somebody is going to have to take action to resolve it. Particularly so if the extortion of businesses and individuals continues, or if the beatings (and perhaps killings) continue.
Hmmm...
That's one side of the ol' fishrrman, but here's the other side.
Perhaps it's time for the more conservative eastern two thirds of Washington State to declare that IT is establishing it's own nation, and build a wall at the base of the Cascades with its own armed guards. And then (now being an independent nation, a la Texas) petition the Congress for admission to the United States as a new state of its own?
C'mon, ya gotta believe...!
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Disagree here. Images of troops cracking skulls in an American city will only hurt Trump in the election. Trump is better off using his bully pulpit and waiting for the inevitable crack up of this movement. Unless lives are in imminent danger. Then the gloves gotta come off.
This is entirely a Washington State problem. Why should Trump get involved in this when Washington State is fine with it? In fact, they seem to be in favor of the takeover and are aiding and abetting the perps.
Inslee and every other politician in Washington will only use Trump's help to pummel him with it. It is not for Trump to resolve an issue which the governor and mayor there do not want to be resolved.
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This is entirely a Washington State problem. Why should Trump get involved in this when Washington State is fine with it? In fact, they seem to be in favor of the takeover and are aiding and abetting the perps.
Inslee and every other politician in Washington will only use Trump's help to pummel him with it. It is not for Trump to resolve and issue which the governor and mayor there do not want to be resolved.
Disagree. This isn't just a Washington State problem ... the thugs want to set up zones now in Nashville. These zones are going to continue to crop up as long as no one steps up and tells them that mob rule isn't acceptable.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tennessee-gov-lee-nashville-autonomous-zone (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tennessee-gov-lee-nashville-autonomous-zone)
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Cyber wrote:
"The time isn't yet ripe."
Correct.
And Mr. Trump phrased his remarks so as to give local and state authorities time to resolve the problem themselves, before "making a federal case" out of it.
This is nothing less than armed insurrection, and somebody is going to have to take action to resolve it. Particularly so if the extortion of businesses and individuals continues, or if the beatings (and perhaps killings) continue.
Hmmm...
That's one side of the ol' fishrrman, but here's the other side.
Perhaps it's time for the more conservative eastern two thirds of Washington State to declare that IT is establishing it's own nation, and build a wall at the base of the Cascades with its own armed guards. And then (now being an independent nation, a la Texas) petition the Congress for admission to the United States as a new state of its own?
C'mon, ya gotta believe...!
Won't help much. Spokane would be the new power center, and it too is liberal as hell.
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BLM's response to Trump's declaration:
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Pretty much so.
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This is entirely a Washington State problem. Why should Trump get involved in this when Washington State is fine with it? In fact, they seem to be in favor of the takeover and are aiding and abetting the perps.
Inslee and every other politician in Washington will only use Trump's help to pummel him with it. It is not for Trump to resolve an issue which the governor and mayor there do not want to be resolved.
Agree but if American lives are being threatened there is a moral obligation to stop it if no one else will.
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I'm quick but not as quick as you, @libertybele :beer:
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Disagree. This isn't just a Washington State problem ... the thugs want to set up zones now in Nashville. These zones are going to continue to crop up as long as no one steps up and tells them that mob rule isn't acceptable.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tennessee-gov-lee-nashville-autonomous-zone (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tennessee-gov-lee-nashville-autonomous-zone)
You don't seem to understand that this whole thing is to setup Trump.
The mayor and the governor are kissing the feet of BLM and Antifa while fully expecting the Trump will come in to retake control of the city. Then they, the mayor and governor, will be HEROES to the woke crowd while President Trump will be called a fascist and a Nazi for doing the right thing.
It is a mouse trap Washington State is laying out for Trump. I hope he does not fall for it.
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You don't seem to understand that this whole thing is to setup Trump.
The mayor and the governor are kissing the feet of BLM and Antifa while fully expecting the Trump will come in to retake control of the city. Then they, the mayor and governor, will be HEROES to the woke crowd while President Trump will be called a fascist and a Nazi for doing the right thing.
It is a mouse trap Washington State is laying out for Trump. I hope he does not fall for it.
??? The mayor and the governor are kissing their butts ... so how exactly does that make them heroes? Trump will be the hero if he takes control of things and restores order ... so far things remain out of control. The longer they remain out of control, the harder it is going to be for Trump to do anything.
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I'm quick but not as quick as you, @libertybele :beer:
Gee thanks.
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Disagree. This isn't just a Washington State problem ... the thugs want to set up zones now in Nashville. These zones are going to continue to crop up as long as no one steps up and tells them that mob rule isn't acceptable.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tennessee-gov-lee-nashville-autonomous-zone (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tennessee-gov-lee-nashville-autonomous-zone)
If they start it up in Nashville, then it will be a Washington state and Tennessee problem. I'll bet it gets handled a tad differently in Tennessee.
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Isn't this kind of a win-win. They now have their own country, therefore they should have to provide for everything for their people. This means the people of the U.S. don't have to supply them any healthcare, or any benefits whatsoever. Seems to me the nastiest of the nasty are all in one place. What a deal....
@mrpotatohead
Well,it would SEEM that way,but they are being backed by the DNC,and the DNC NEEDS a crisis with Americans gunned down in the street by troops so they can blame it on Trump.
The truth is the mayor of Seattle can shut it down any time he wants by simply shutting down the water supply and cutting off the power and phones. You think these spoiled "pets" are going to live without all the modern conveniences? Not a chance in hell. They would all just go back to Mom's Basement and live the "good life" once again.
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>>Trump just gave Inslee a way out, without having to lift a finger.<<
No,Trump just backed him into a corner by making him a offer he KNEW couldn't be accepted. The DNC NEED these riots to keep going.
>>Trump should stay far away from this. The Liberals/MSM are looking for any reason, no matter how small, to blame this on him. <<
And they will eventually step forward and try to place the blame on him,and there he will be with video evidence he made the offer,and it was refused.
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If the President did 10% of the things you think he “should†do, his approval rating would be 10% and the House and Senate would have 2/3rds Dem majorities after this fall’s election. Before Troops can be sent in, its essential to attain a modicum of public support for such an action...which clearly does not exist yet. Let these idiots continue to flaunt their stupidity for a bit longer and support will grow for direct action...acting before that, might feel good, but would severely damage the support for the President specifically and for Conservatism more broadly.
Right. The way these things ordinarily go, there will come a time when the surviving residents of the area are practically begging to bee liberated from their 'liberators'.
Wait for it...timing is everything.
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I think Trump should have a press conference and give the country a civics lesson on the duties in State government of Mayors and Governors and the duties in the federal government and the President to control the events in sovereign states. Break it down like Mr. Rogers and put the shame on those idiotic pandering officials. Tell the people of Seattle to let their voices be heard if they are being ignored and put in danger by the people they elected. If they don’t speak up and demand the federal governments help, that he is more than willing to give, then enjoy the free state of Chaz.
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I think Trump should have a press conference and give the country a civics lesson on the duties in State government of Mayors and Governors and the duties in the federal government and the President to control the events in sovereign states. Break it down like Mr. Rogers and put the shame on those idiotic pandering officials. Tell the people of Seattle to let their voices be heard if they are being ignored and put in danger by the people they elected. If they don’t speak up and demand the federal governments help, that he is more than willing to give, then enjoy the free state of Chaz. He should also tell them while their state is in insurrection all Fed funds and Fed offices will be closed and Federal elections in their state will not be recognized
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Right. The way these things ordinarily go, there will come a time when the surviving residents of the area are practically begging to bee liberated from their 'liberators'.
Wait for it...timing is everything.
@Smokin Joe
Wait long enough,and you may even force them to face the reality that ultimately THEY are responsible for allowing it to continue,and THAT is when the left begins to fall.
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I think Trump should have a press conference and give the country a civics lesson on the duties in State government of Mayors and Governors and the duties in the federal government and the President to control the events in sovereign states. Break it down like Mr. Rogers and put the shame on those idiotic pandering officials. Tell the people of Seattle to let their voices be heard if they are being ignored and put in danger by the people they elected. If they don’t speak up and demand the federal governments help, that he is more than willing to give, then enjoy the free state of Chaz.
@LilLamb
Yup. Elections have consequences. You can elect the candidate that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about how "woke" the special human being you are really is,or you can elect a candidate that performs the duties of his or her office.
Your choice,and you WILL have to live with the consequences of your vote.
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What good is that going to do at this point? Trump is becoming irrelevant in all of this because he isn't doing anything. He is making idle threats. He isn't doing what he said he's going to do. So his words don't mean squat.
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@LilLamb
Yup. Elections have consequences. You can elect the candidate that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about how "woke" the special human being you are really is,or you can elect a candidate that performs the duties of his or her office.
Your choice,and you WILL have to live with the consequences of your vote.
Yes elections have consequences, but obviously those elected don't always necessarily do what they say. Electing a new mayor or governor? Months away from the elections, meanwhile the problem grows and festers and the police force continues to dwindle and the movement to rid them spreads.
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@LilLamb
Yup. Elections have consequences. You can elect the candidate that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about how "woke" the special human being you are really is, or you can elect a candidate that performs the duties of his or her office.
Your choice,and you WILL have to live with the consequences of your vote.
@sneakypete
Except the one running for re-election this year has been quite casual about performing the duties of his office, and if re-elected, I doubt he will do better in his second term.
And no, I'm not a closet Biden supporter either. :tongue2:
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@sneakypete
Except the one running for re-election this year has been quite casual about performing the duties of his office, and if re-elected, I doubt he will do better in his second term.
And no, I'm not a closet Biden supporter either. :tongue2:
Whatever "Trump" now says on this issue is absolutely futile. The movement is already underway. What is he going to do? Ask the police officers to come back with a "pretty please" and a cherry on top?? He should have calmed the riots long before and certainly when they attacked the WH. He talked the talk and then walked it back with no action.
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What good is that going to do at this point? Trump is becoming irrelevant in all of this because he isn't doing anything. He is making idle threats. He isn't doing what he said he's going to do. So his words don't mean squat.
You sound the protesters who were screaming not 24 hrs after Floyd died that they weren’t getting any justice. Don’t mind that they had to investigate because the officers had rights and they had to charge them with the right thought out charges.
Trump HAS to give them time to Work their own business out. He couldn’t march in the next day. He could voice a warning that’s it! Now he has to talk behind scenes to all the players, watch, access and make plans
for the most strategic way to go into an area with innocent US civilians and anarchist all bunched together and sort the good, the bad and the ugly out with as little collateral damage as possible.
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@sneakypete
Except the one running for re-election this year has been quite casual about performing the duties of his office, and if re-elected, I doubt he will do better in his second term.
And no, I'm not a closet Biden supporter either. :tongue2:
@Applewood
You might as well be because you are a part of the problem,not the solution.
We are rabidly reaching a point in this "Black Lives Matter" bullshit,and blood is going to start flowing.
Where will YOU be standing when it reaches your area,with the BLM thugs,or standing along the sidelines wringing your hands while you whimper and beg your new Globalist masters to be nice to you?
If you see ME standing along side the road,you will see me holding my rifle.
As someone famous once said,"THIS far,and no further!" I am DONE kissing ass.
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@sneakypete
Except the one running for re-election this year has been quite casual about performing the duties of his office, and if re-elected, I doubt he will do better in his second term.
And no, I'm not a closet Biden supporter either. :tongue2:
You will get to live in an America being run by Biden or, more accurately, the radical left, should he win though.
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Whatever "Trump" now says on this issue is absolutely futile. The movement is already underway. What is he going to do? Ask the police officers to come back with a "pretty please" and a cherry on top?? He should have calmed the riots long before and certainly when they attacked the WH. He talked the talk and then walked it back with no action.
If Trump had gone in knocking heads it would be have been futile. We would have lost the next election for sure. The liberals who still have a couple of synapses firing are slowly waking up in the past week because they are seeing that the little Utopia they were dreaming of is going to be run by these useless figureheads and a bunch of anarchist.
If you take the time to check out WalkAway and some of the conservative black YouTube and Instagram accounts you will see there is an awakening happening. I am gaining more and more hope by the day. They are thinking Wait this is not what I wanted. This is totally backfiring. The corporations hopping on and the celeb virtue signaling is becoming too much for even them. The blacks turning on them calling them racist for questioning anything about the agitators and violence. They are eating their own and it’s beautiful for us.
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You sound the protesters who were screaming not 24 hrs after Floyd died that they weren’t getting any justice. Don’t mind that they had to investigate because the officers had rights and they had to charge them with the right thought out charges.
Trump HAS to give them time to Work their own business out. He couldn’t march in the next day. He could voice a warning that’s it! Now he has to talk behind scenes to all the players, watch, access and make plans
for the most strategic way to go into an area with innocent US civilians and anarchist all bunched together and sort the good, the bad and the ugly out with as little collateral damage as possible.
Most innocent citizens have the smarts to realize that they shouldn't go into an area that is rioting...or stay home lock their doors with arms ready.
Trump made a comment that he would bring in the military and now he's made this comment about Seattle.
If he had no intent of doing anything he should have kept his mouth shut. If he indeed he is talking to all his "players" ... he still should have kept his mouth shut until he was ready to act.
So far, he's done nothing. So the rioters, protesters, takeovers will proceed as they darn well please and that's exactly what they're doing with little to no resistance. Meanwhile we have squat teams walking off the force and police making an exodus.
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If Trump had gone in knocking heads it would be have been futile. We would have lost the next election for sure. The liberals who still have a couple of synapses firing are slowly waking up in the past week because they are seeing that the little Utopia they were dreaming of is going to be run by these useless figureheads and a bunch of anarchist.
If you take the time to check out WalkAway and some of the conservative black YouTube and Instagram accounts you will see there is an awakening happening. I am gaining more and more hope by the day. They are thinking Wait this is not what I wanted. This is totally backfiring. The corporations hopping on and the celeb virtue signaling is becoming too much for even them. The blacks turning on them calling them racist for questioning anything about the agitators and violence. They are eating their own and it’s beautiful for us.
Wow. Therein lies the problem! First and foremost he needs to do his job and protect the very people that will vote for him. IMHO, he doesn't get this under control, he'll lose anyways due to massive corruption that is being allowed to further develop or we won't see another election.
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@libertybele
It's all in the timing. Go in too late and there's nothing left to save, but if troops go in too early, then both sides will turn on the soldiers to the great delight of the leftist press. It's like trying to break up a barroom fight.
As long as the Rats claim they don't want the help, help cannot be forced upon them. You want the President to win reelection, don't you?
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Most innocent citizens have the smarts to realize that they shouldn't go into an area that is rioting...or stay home lock their doors with arms ready.
Trump made a comment that he would bring in the military and now he's made this comment about Seattle.
If he had no intent of doing anything he should have kept his mouth shut. If he indeed he is talking to all his "players" ... he still should have kept his mouth shut until he was ready to act.
So far, he's done nothing. So the rioters, protesters, takeovers will proceed as they darn well please and that's exactly what they're doing with little to no resistance. Meanwhile we have squat teams walking off the force and police making an exodus.
Are you saying the President should send the Army into a city when the governor and mayor don't want him to? @libertybele
Asking for a friend. happy77
(BTW the report I read stated 10 swat team members resigned. Worth watching, but not quite an exodus)
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Are you saying the President should send the Army into a city when the governor and mayor don't want him to? @libertybele
Asking for a friend. happy77
(BTW the report I read stated 10 swat team members resigned. Worth watching, but not quite an exodus)
I really don't understand the war-mongering. :shrug:
I'd be pretty upset if O'Bastard sent troops into recalcitrant cities at the drop of a hat, why would I root for Trump to do it?
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Whatever "Trump" now says on this issue is absolutely futile.
@libertybele
100 percent true. He,as President,is OBLIGATED by his oath and the law to subdue violence in the streets and outright rebellion,and that is EXACTLY what he,and we as a nation,are now facing.
The Trust Fund Children and their parents that are behind this have realized there is zero chance of Biden winning election and decades of their planning will be flushed down the toilet if he isn't,have decided to straight to violent revolution in order to maintain power and establish the Global Government they have been working towards all their lives.
To do this they MUST create a state of anarchy in order to destabilize the government to the point where the typical America loses all faith in it,and quits supporting it. In other words,essentially demands we surrender control to the globalists in order to have a return to peace.
"Peace with Slavery" would be an apt slogan,but they would never use it in public,even though that is their goal.
They are using the blacks for Storm Troopers (with white and Jewish Trust Fund Children supervision,of course because they know the darkies would just get ripped on stolen Ripple if left without adult supervision) because our black population has been conditioned to believe they are professional victims for the last 50 + years,and are ready and raring to go.
Also,the government could put down a violent rebellion by white thugs,and the result would be "Who cares? They needed to be put down!"
That is not the case with black rioters. Whites have been conditioned to accept "White Guilt" as a burden they MUST carry for things their ancestors may,or may not have done prior to 1865. These fools actually think they have been HELPING blacks obtain true equality,and the exact opposite is true. All they have done is make blacks even more dependent on the welfare state.
The movement is already underway.
Yes,it is,and unless the feral government goes after the leadership in the way the leadership needs to be gone after,it is only going to get worse until eventually a State of National Emergency is called,and the BoR are suspended "for the duration of the troubles". Which will be "forever".
Gee,if you didn't know better,you would almost think that was the plan from the beginning,wouldn't you?
What is he going to do?
All he CAN do is try to bluster them into compliance at first with threats of "bringing down the hammer by bringing in armed Federal troops to stop the rioting and seize back the private property stolen by the left.
I am about as far from being a "insider" in DC or the Pentagram,but I rate Trump's chances of getting the army to cooperate at 50/50 at BEST. The US Military is too "Powellized" by now with Affirmative Action appointments and promotions. I don't like saying this,but I fully expect at least half the senior serving officers today are more likely to take the side of the black rioters than the side of the Constitution.
Speaking of hangings once the dust settles........ They are going to happen regardless of which side is still left standing.
The Second American Revolution is ON,because the Globalists realize they have zero chance of obtaining their goals politically because Biden is the best they have to offer,and he is a certified fool and crook and everybody knows it. So they are left with violent revolution as their only hope.
Ask the police officers to come back with a "pretty please" and a cherry on top??
Well,since their PC AA leadership have all sided with the rioters,and so will the Dims in Congress,they would be fools to come back to put their lives on the line,and end up facing felony charges if the left wins. SOMEBODY is going to end up being blamed for all the deaths and destruction,and it damn sure ain't going to be any of the Saintly blacks!
He should have calmed the riots long before and certainly when they attacked the WH.
When was the WH assaulted?
He talked the talk and then walked it back with no action.
Only a fool would blame him for trying. You can back off from words,but there is no backing off from bloodletting.
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You sound the protesters who were screaming not 24 hrs after Floyd died that they weren’t getting any justice. Don’t mind that they had to investigate because the officers had rights and they had to charge them with the right thought out charges.
Trump HAS to give them time to Work their own business out. He couldn’t march in the next day. He could voice a warning that’s it! Now he has to talk behind scenes to all the players, watch, access and make plans
for the most strategic way to go into an area with innocent US civilians and anarchist all bunched together and sort the good, the bad and the ugly out with as little collateral damage as possible.
@LilLamb @libertybele
You are making too much sense. STOP THAT IMMEDIATELY!
Don't you know there are people here who have too much "moral" hatred for Trump to back anything he says?
If Trump were to say he likes ice cream,these people would immediately be against it being legal to sell ice cream.
We need to focus on the IMPORTANT things!
BTW,did you know that Trump has had sex with women he wasn't married to? No kidding!
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@Applewood
You might as well be because you are a part of the problem,not the solution.
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@sneakypete
Actually, you and your fellow Trump supporters are part of the problem because you don't demand he do what he was elected to do. You just blindly listen to his BS and make excuses when he doesn't do his job.
The problem here is that we are faced with two terrible candidates for the election in November. One choice is obviously wrong -- a member of the party that has gone full-on communist, determined to take down this nation. But the other choice makes promises, threatens to take action, but does nothing. I keep hearing how we have to vote for Trump to "save us" from the evil on the other side. But what has Trump done in four years to prevent the situation we are in now? Do you really believe he is going to really do anything he didn't do in his first term if he is re-elected to a second term? I can guarantee you, if the Republicans lose the senate in addition to the house they have already lost -- even if Trump wanted to be a real leader and fight the evil from the other side, he won't be able to do it. We will have a eunuch in the White House, a puppet who will sign whatever monstrous legislation put in front of him. Hell, he does that now with the spending spree bills.
Trump and the Republicans had their chance to "save us" from Democrat evil -- back when the party owned both houses of congress and the presidency. It was their laziness in not doing their jobs that has brought us into the situation we are in now. Why would you and other Trump supporters think they are going to "save us" now? Why would you continue to vote for them?
My friend, it is obvious to anyone not a Trump supporter that he is not our savior, not our last line of defense against the evil that is already here. We cannot look to him or his party to defend us. Right now, we are all on our own.
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Some are overcomplicating this.
For the most part, the President can do little until the people of Washington actually want him to intervene...and that pressure will eventually come from the bottom up and will be applied, IMHO, most heavily on the Governor. If the Governor does nothing, that will have a consequence and the more outrage amongst the citizenry grows...the better. Intervention from the Fed let's all of these idiots off the hook. So by all means, the President should apply pressure and suggest that he will intervene if necessary...this makes it crystal clear that the Feds are ready and able to restore order and that the one allowing this fiasco to continue is Governor Inslee.
Tennessee, as mentioned, is entirely different because the Governor there will either handle it directly...or will ask for help. Once asked, the Fed becomes a savior...not an oppressor. Further, with public support on the ground, the mission to clear these idiots out because exponentially more manageable.
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@sneakypete
Actually, you and your fellow Trump supporters are part of the problem because you don't demand he do what he was elected to do. You just blindly listen to his BS and make excuses when he doesn't do his job.
The problem here is that we are faced with two terrible candidates for the election in November. One choice is obviously wrong -- a member of the party that has gone full-on communist, determined to take down this nation. But the other choice makes promises, threatens to take action, but does nothing. I keep hearing how we have to vote for Trump to "save us" from the evil on the other side. But what has Trump done in four years to prevent the situation we are in now? Do you really believe he is going to really do anything he didn't do in his first term if he is re-elected to a second term? I can guarantee you, if the Republicans lose the senate in addition to the house they have already lost -- even if Trump wanted to be a real leader and fight the evil from the other side, he won't be able to do it. We will have a eunuch in the White House, a puppet who will sign whatever monstrous legislation put in front of him. Hell, he does that now with the spending spree bills.
Trump and the Republicans had their chance to "save us" from Democrat evil -- back when the party owned both houses of congress and the presidency. It was their laziness in not doing their jobs that has brought us into the situation we are in now. Why would you and other Trump supporters think they are going to "save us" now? Why would you continue to vote for them?
Obviously you haven't been paying attention these past 3+ years.
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@sneakypete
Actually, you and your fellow Trump supporters are part of the problem because you don't demand he do what he was elected to do. You just blindly listen to his BS and make excuses when he doesn't do his job.
@Applewood
Orange man bad,blah,blah,blah.
You should copy and paste the above and save yourself a lot of typing because that is ALL you have.
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@sneakypete
Actually, you and your fellow Trump supporters are part of the problem because you don't demand he do what he was elected to do. You just blindly listen to his BS and make excuses when he doesn't do his job.
What isn't he doing right now? @Applewood Or put another way, what would you like him to do?
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Some are overcomplicating this.
For the most part, the President can do little until the people of Washington actually want him to intervene...and that pressure will eventually come from the bottom up and will be applied, IMHO, most heavily on the Governor. If the Governor does nothing, that will have a consequence and the more outrage amongst the citizenry grows...the better. Intervention from the Fed let's all of these idiots off the hook. So by all means, the President should apply pressure and suggest that he will intervene if necessary...this makes it crystal clear that the Feds are ready and able to restore order and that the one allowing this fiasco to continue is Governor Inslee.
Tennessee, as mentioned, is entirely different because the Governor there will either handle it directly...or will ask for help. Once asked, the Fed becomes a savior...not an oppressor. Further, with public support on the ground, the mission to clear these idiots out because exponentially more manageable.
@Mesaclone
Every word true,and 90 percent of the people you are directing it to as seasoned political observers who have been reading and posting to political message boards for years,and know it.
NONE of that matters.
The ONLY thing that matters to them is "Orange man bad".
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@Mesaclone
Every word true,and 90 percent of the people you are directing it to as seasoned political observers who have been reading and posting to political message boards for years,and know it.
NONE of that matters.
The ONLY thing that matters to them is "Orange man bad".
Sadly, you are 100% correct.
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I think Trump should have a press conference and give the country a civics lesson on the duties in State government of Mayors and Governors and the duties in the federal government and the President to control the events in sovereign states. Break it down like Mr. Rogers and put the shame on those idiotic pandering officials. Tell the people of Seattle to let their voices be heard if they are being ignored and put in danger by the people they elected. If they don’t speak up and demand the federal governments help, that he is more than willing to give, then enjoy the free state of Chaz.
Trump is slated to give the Commencement address at West Point today. Maybe he’ll address some of your points. He has a habit of always incorporating current issues into every speaking opportunity.
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@Mesaclone
Every word true,and 90 percent of the people you are directing it to as seasoned political observers who have been reading and posting to political message boards for years,and know it.
NONE of that matters.
The ONLY thing that matters to them is "Orange man bad".
Sadly, you are 100% correct.
Not a lot of big picture people around these day. But, enough of that. Let’s talk about Trump’s bad manners.
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Not a lot of big picture people around these day. But, enough of that. Let’s talk about Trump’s bad manners.
No matter what you think of Trump, the alternative is a dementia laden Biden POTUS, an ultra left wing VPOTUS, and dim senate and house.
That will allow them to implement their plan to expand SCOTUS to 11 judges. We will not have any defenses against the socialist onslaught.
Even our most ardent Trump haters need to realize this.
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Trump is slated to give the Commencement address at West Point today. Maybe he’ll address some of your points. He has a habit of always incorporating current issues into every speaking opportunity.
POTUS is giving the speech live now happy77
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No matter what you think of Trump, the alternative is a dementia laden Biden POTUS, an ultra left wing VPOTUS, and dim senate and house.
That will allow them to implement their plan to expand SCOTUS to 11 judges. We will not have any defenses against the socialist onslaught.
Even our most ardent Trump haters need to realize this.
There seems to be a school of thought that society, as we know it, must completely collapse before it can be fixed. This is, coincidentally, the desire of both the far left and far right, both so far away from the center they are more alike than different. They're all nihilists.
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POTUS is giving the speech live now happy77
Yikes, I’m behind the curve. Too busy flattening it, I guess.
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There seems to be a school of thought that society, as we know it, must completely collapse before it can be fixed. This is, coincidentally, the desire of both the far left and far right, both so far away from the center they are more alike than different. They're all nihilists.
That’s what happens when you try to be 99 and 44/100 percent pure. :smokin:
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POTUS is giving the speech live now happy77
Watching.
What a contrast to the dung in Seattle.
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No matter what you think of Trump, the alternative is a dementia laden Biden POTUS, an ultra left wing VPOTUS, and dim senate and house.
That will allow them to implement their plan to expand SCOTUS to 11 judges. We will not have any defenses against the socialist onslaught.
Even our most ardent Trump haters need to realize this.
You are right....but they won't.
Their self-righteousness outweighs their common sense...and its not a close contest.
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Whatever "Trump" now says on this issue is absolutely futile. The movement is already underway. What is he going to do? Ask the police officers to come back with a "pretty please" and a cherry on top?? He should have calmed the riots long before and certainly when they attacked the WH. He talked the talk and then walked it back with no action.
The local authorities should have stopped this crap early. The studies were done in the '60s of what force levels should be used when to get the rioters and looters off the streets to shut the whole mess down.
It isn't anything we haven't seen before, and when law and order were prized over political correctness in the Media and our society, those actions were figured out and used where those in power had the fortitude to do so.
This transcends mere ignorance on the part of officials, for which there is no excuse, and instead represents betrayal of their constituencies by officials, elected and appointed alike.
While yes, Virginia, the POTUS does have the power to order insurrection quelled, to do so prematurely and without the request of those more immediately responsible to do so only invites charges and claims that he used his authority to override solutions the others had put in place or were about to implement and abused his power.
He can do nothing from a political standpoint until either requested, or the situation is such that it is clear intervention is matter of national import.
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@sneakypete
Actually, you and your fellow Trump supporters are part of the problem because you don't demand he do what he was elected to do. You just blindly listen to his BS and make excuses when he doesn't do his job.
The problem here is that we are faced with two terrible candidates for the election in November. One choice is obviously wrong -- a member of the party that has gone full-on communist, determined to take down this nation. But the other choice makes promises, threatens to take action, but does nothing. I keep hearing how we have to vote for Trump to "save us" from the evil on the other side. But what has Trump done in four years to prevent the situation we are in now? Do you really believe he is going to really do anything he didn't do in his first term if he is re-elected to a second term? I can guarantee you, if the Republicans lose the senate in addition to the house they have already lost -- even if Trump wanted to be a real leader and fight the evil from the other side, he won't be able to do it. We will have a eunuch in the White House, a puppet who will sign whatever monstrous legislation put in front of him. Hell, he does that now with the spending spree bills.
Trump and the Republicans had their chance to "save us" from Democrat evil -- back when the party owned both houses of congress and the presidency. It was their laziness in not doing their jobs that has brought us into the situation we are in now. Why would you and other Trump supporters think they are going to "save us" now? Why would you continue to vote for them?
My friend, it is obvious to anyone not a Trump supporter that he is not our savior, not our last line of defense against the evil that is already here. We cannot look to him or his party to defend us. Right now, we are all on our own.
Dear heart, there is only One Saviour, and he isn't in politics.
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Dear heart, there is only One Saviour, and he isn't in politics.
I know that, but apparently, some do not.
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Dear heart, there is only One Saviour, and he isn't in politics.
What? You mean Trump can’t walk on water? I hope someone around the president (biting my finger nails) convinces Trump to scratch that off his to do list, :silly:
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I know that, but apparently, some do not.
I prefer Kipling's approach to humans:
"If all men count with you, but none too much..."
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What? You mean Trump can’t walk on water? I hope someone around the president (biting my finger nails) convinces Trump to scratch that off his to do list, :silly:
I don't get it.
If he needs lessons, just come up this way next January and we'll teach him. :tongue2:
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He can do nothing from a political standpoint until either requested, or the situation is such that it is clear intervention is matter of national import.
And there hasn't been enough time to establish to the public mind the State is not acting. It's. Not. Ripe.
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He shouldn't say he can when he cannot. He should say the situation exactly as it is: He has to be invited in by the idiot Democrats running these cities.
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He shouldn't say he can when he cannot. He should say the situation exactly as it is: He has to be invited in by the idiot Democrats running these cities.
Except that wouldn't be true, either. tri22
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@libertybele
It's all in the timing. Go in too late and there's nothing left to save, but if troops go in too early, then both sides will turn on the soldiers to the great delight of the leftist press. It's like trying to break up a barroom fight.
As long as the Rats claim they don't want the help, help cannot be forced upon them. You want the President to win reelection, don't you?
IMHO this situation may have been avoided in the first place when Trump made threats the first time to use the military. He backpedaled the then and he's backpedaled again.
Of course I don't want to see Biden seated and want Trump to be re-elected. However, the premise of screw that state of the union as long as he wins re-election doesn't sit well with me. Also, after he's re-elected, there is no incentive for him to remain loyal to his base and act accordingly; a concern that I've always had.
One honest clarification though, come election time (and hopefully we'll still see one) IF I feel that Trump is no longer taking us in a positive direction, then I would have no reason to vote for him, nor anyone for that matter.
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Not a lot of big picture people around these day. But, enough of that. Let’s talk about Trump’s bad manners.
@aligncare
After all,manners and BEING A PROPER REPUBLICAN are what is important.
Damn shame Boy Jorge can't run again,isn't it? He is a PROPER Republican,and knows how to cave to the left. Ain't got one of them evil "strategy bones" in his body. You can count on him to not surprise anybody.
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Except that wouldn't be true, either. tri22
Care to explain?
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No matter what you think of Trump, the alternative is a dementia laden Biden POTUS, an ultra left wing VPOTUS, and dim senate and house.
That will allow them to implement their plan to expand SCOTUS to 11 judges. We will not have any defenses against the socialist onslaught.
Even our most ardent Trump haters need to realize this.
@catfish1957
Yet they don't seem to,and it is as obvious as the rising sun if you even glance at it..
It really is a total freaking mystery to me,other than the "Orange Man Bad because he's not a "proper" Republican" thing,and even that makes no sense to me.
After all,if you are flying somewhere on a trip or a vacation,you don't care who the pilot is,as long as he gets you there safely.
This is a "political trip",so why can't some people see and accept the similarities?
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There seems to be a school of thought that society, as we know it, must completely collapse before it can be fixed. This is, coincidentally, the desire of both the far left and far right, both so far away from the center they are more alike than different. They're all nihilists.
@Cyber Liberty
I hate to admit it,but you do have a valid point. I don't personally understand that way of thinking,but I do know it exists.
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I know that, but apparently, some do not.
@Applewood
OUCH! Ya got me! If there is one thing I am known for,it is looking for a Savior.</S>
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IMHO this situation may have been avoided in the first place when Trump made threats the first time to use the military. He backpedaled the then and he's backpedaled again.
Of course I don't want to see Biden seated and want Trump to be re-elected. However, the premise of screw that state of the union as long as he wins re-election doesn't sit well with me. Also, after he's re-elected, there is no incentive for him to remain loyal to his base and act accordingly; a concern that I've always had.
One honest clarification though, come election time (and hopefully we'll still see one) IF I feel that Trump is no longer taking us in a positive direction, then I would have no reason to vote for him, nor anyone for that matter.
Elections are no longer the answer. Yes, we have reached that point.
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Care to explain?
It's incorrect to say the President cannot, under any circumstances, dispatch Federal troops to a state if the Governor doesn't want them. There is no way that Governor Faubus invited the Airborne Division into the state or Arkansas to impose desegregation, yet there they were.
It's possible I misread your earlier post.
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And there hasn't been enough time to establish to the public mind the State is not acting. It's. Not. Ripe.
Exactly. :beer:
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Elections are no longer the answer. Yes, we have reached that point.
@dfwgator
Sadly,I agree.
The time for public hangings are approaching.
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All talk, no action. Didn't he say he was going to send in the military a week or so ago if cities couldn't get the anarchy under control? Maybe if he had, Seattle wouldn't be occupied.
Yeah he's so tough. He just pandered to the left and let them call him a White Nationalist. Now he's going to go in?
The guy is hugely mixed messages. Who even knows who he is or what he believes?
He's trying to play both sides of the coin. Be the African American president to a people who have chosen liberalism for 60 years. And then he talks tough, which will enrage them. Good luck with that Donald.
Cannot support crime (First Act) and fight it at the same time.
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He shouldn't say he can when he cannot. He should say the situation exactly as it is: He has to be invited in by the idiot Democrats running these cities.
He CAN...and he CAN without an invitation...so its untrue to say he cannot. That he let the Governor and others know he CAN but currently WILL not...is very different. Letting them know he CAN pressures them to act. Not actually intervening is equally as wise, as it...again...puts pressure on the Governor to act.
In other words, the President has chosen the best course by which to get the Governor to take care of his own problem...because that is who SHOULD take care of it....yet stands ready if/when the time comes for Federal intervention.
I wrote this before seeing CyberLiberty's apt reply...sorry for jumping in.
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There seems to be a school of thought that society, as we know it, must completely collapse before it can be fixed. This is, coincidentally, the desire of both the far left and far right, both so far away from the center they are more alike than different. They're all nihilists.
I will take offense at that.
The far right is not nihilistic.
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smokin joe wrote (re the president):
"He can do nothing from a political standpoint until either requested, or the situation is such that it is clear intervention is matter of national import."
OK, Joe, I'm gonna call you out on the floor about it.
Just what kind of "national import" would have to occur in order to warrant "intervention"....?
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Only problem is, Trump keeps making threats .... idle threats accomplishes nothing and in my opinion after awhile makes what ever he says irrelevant. Adhering to the "will of the people"? This country is governed by a set of laws and rules. We are not governed by mob rule, which is exactly what is being allowed to happen and no one is doing a darn thing about it.
Ranting Stephanie here! Good post.
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I will take offense at that.
The far right is not nihilistic.
No offense meant.
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I would not otherwise answer a post by roamer, but I happened to see this quote in the reply above:
"The far right is not nihilistic."
Not nihilistic.
But most certainly sophistic...!
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No offense meant.
Again, with emphasis, the far right is not nihilistic.
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I would not otherwise answer a post by roamer, but I happened to see this quote in the reply above:
"The far right is not nihilistic."
Not nihilistic.
But most certainly sophistic...!
No @Fishrrman , The sophists are on the left, in liberalism.
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Again, with emphasis, the far right is not nihilistic.
I don't consider you "far right." You are a "Normal."
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I don't consider you "far right." You are a "Normal."
No, I am far right - Principled Conservatism is as far to the right as the right goes.
This scale that seems to honor moderates is false.
The scale runs from individualism to collectivism, from liberty to tyranny.
Anarchy and Nihilism belong to the left, and are part of the process leading to tyranny.
Moderation is nothing but a chickenshit that thinks the line down the middle of the road is safe. Neither long on smarts nor courage.
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No, I am far right - Principled Conservatism is as far to the right as the right goes.
This scale that seems to honor moderates is false.
The scale runs from individualism to collectivism, from liberty to tyranny.
Anarchy and Nihilism belong to the left, and are part of the process leading to tyranny.
Moderation is nothing but a chickenshit that thinks the line down the middle of the road is safe. Neither long on smarts nor courage.
Once again, great post. Thank you.
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Once again, great post. Thank you.
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No, I am far right - Principled Conservatism is as far to the right as the right goes.
This scale that seems to honor moderates is false.
The scale runs from individualism to collectivism, from liberty to tyranny.
Anarchy and Nihilism belong to the left, and are part of the process leading to tyranny.
Moderation is nothing but a chickenshit that thinks the line down the middle of the road is safe. Neither long on smarts nor courage.
LOL! You have ALL the answers to our problems as a country.
Too bad that we live in Realville....not on a game board.
The country has allowed our children to be indoctrinated...while two-income households were securing their notion of the American Dream.
We're f***ed at this point unless we become dictators and completely revamp and take over the Education system.
...which is impossible because the Left owns Academia.
To get rid of everybody and start anew is NOT going to provide favorable optics for decades. There are countless elections in between.
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Dave Alvin and Phil Alvin - "World's In A Bad Condition" (Official Video)
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What's the 'NEW' Normal, anyway? :shrug:
I'll let up on the Doom P0rn soon, I promise.
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LOL! You have ALL the answers to our problems as a country.
Too bad that we live in Realville....not on a game board.
The country has allowed our children to be indoctrinated...while two-income households were securing their notion of the American Dream.
We're f***ed at this point unless we become dictators and completely revamp and take over the Education system.
...which is impossible because the Left owns Academia.
To get rid of everybody and start anew is NOT going to provide favorable optics for decades. There are countless elections in between.
@DCPatriot
What the hell are you carrying on about?
I got the insult alright, standard myopic DCP fare... but then you go twizzling off into some sparkly little wandering notion like a malformed bottle-rocket abortively finding the ground...
Ground Control to Major Tom... WTF, over?
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@DCPatriot
What the hell are you carrying on about?
I got the insult alright, standard myopic DCP fare... but then you go twizzling off into some sparkly little wandering notion like a malformed bottle-rocket abortively finding the ground...
Ground Control to Major Tom... WTF, over?
Your idealist Conservative bent when it comes to deficits has blinded you. It works in the classroom. At this moment, on the street, NOT SO MUCH.
To change peoples' mind toward Conservatism and Republicanism would take a complete overhaul of the education system.
That of course isn't pragmatic, because the entire MSM is as corrupt as Academia.
They would never allow us to get away with it. We fulfill their charge that we're Hitleresque
I'm not patient enough to write in paragraphs like I did many years ago. Learned long ago that people such as yourself just aren't worth the trouble.
Have a good day.
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@DCPatriot
What the hell are you carrying on about?
I got the insult alright, standard myopic DCP fare... but then you go twizzling off into some sparkly little wandering notion like a malformed bottle-rocket abortively finding the ground...
Ground Control to Major Tom... WTF, over?
@roamer_1
Sorry I triggered you. But please point out my 'insult' in the post to which your refer.
If I insult you, it won't be translucent to anyone.
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Your idealist Conservative bent when it comes to deficits has blinded you. It works in the classroom. At this moment, on the street, NOT SO MUCH.
@DCPatriot
No, Conservatism works all the time. And always will. It is not idealist to adhere to what works. To adhere to and advocate for Truth.
To change peoples' mind toward Conservatism and Republicanism would take a complete overhaul of the education system.
Foremost, your concatenation of Conservatism and Republicanism is false. Either you are Conservative or you are not. Republicans have nothing to do wit it, having broken the charter made with Conservatives lately through Reagan.
That of course isn't pragmatic, because the entire MSM is as corrupt as Academia.
They would never allow us to get away with it. We fulfill their charge that we're Hitleresque
I'm not patient enough to write in paragraphs like I did many years ago. Learned long ago that people such as yourself just aren't worth the trouble.
Have a good day.
And again, pragmatism has nothing to do with it, Either you adhere to what works, or you do not. Your argument being 'We can't do what works because it won't work'... Which is hilariously circular... And advocates doing what doesn't work instead... :laugh:
I won't go up against the education system - The education system Republicans let grow and even fed when they should have risen in opposition (with the Conservatives). Too big to kill now... But your thinking is collective and only sees collective answers... The answer I have is like to my kind - Pull YOUR kids out of the education system and teach them yourself... Liberty has responsibility. Then at least your own are not part of the problem. I cannot change them all, but I can change my own.
So no, Standing on what's right and true is not just the right thing to do... It is the only thing to do.
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@DCPatriot
No, Conservatism works all the time. And always will. It is not idealist to adhere to what works. To adhere to and advocate for Truth.What you see as truth, is very different from what others see as truth...the reality is, there are roughly 340 million versions of what is "truth" within the nation. Who's truth prevails? We can't even agree amongst conservatives and amongst Christians on a single definition of truth...so rest assured, YOUR truth is of no more value than anyone elses. The answer, of course, is that we must use reason and empathy and a democratic process to reach a functional compromise. On this site, we are conservatives...despite your personal claim that only you and those in complete agreement with you fit that description. But the mark of civilization...and an absolute requirement for a functional Republc is the ability to compromise, and since at least half the country has a different version of the "truth" than we do, compromise is also "what works"...in fact, it is the ONLY thing that works short of assuming dictatorial powers.
Foremost, your concatenation of Conservatism and Republicanism is false. Either you are Conservative or you are not. Republicans have nothing to do wit it, having broken the charter made with Conservatives lately through Reagan. Despite your protestations, the Republican party IS the only politically functional repository of conservatism in the United States. Your being part of one rather small sliver of that conservative coalition within the party does not change this fact. If conservatives cannot disagree amongst themselves whilst coming together to win national elections, than the cause of conservatism is doomed...by those who claim their pure version alone is acceptable. Narrow minded stupidity that ensures defeat...that's the hallmark of the NeverTrumpists.
And again, pragmatism has nothing to do with it, Either you adhere to what works, or you do not. Your argument being 'We can't do what works because it won't work'... Which is hilariously circular... And advocates doing what doesn't work instead... :laugh:You misstate the argument. The argument is that we follow the Reagan doctrine of attaining the most conservative legislation possible within a democratic process...if we can get an 80% conservative bill we take it...while fools who demand purity will damn such a bill because its 20% moderate or progressive. You forget, that we do not get to dictate policy...nor does the President...here in the real world we must operate within the realm of what is actually possible. Purity tests equal political surrender and defeat...which is why so few of us agree with your approach to politics, leadership and the Presidency.
I won't go up against the education system - The education system Republicans let grow and even fed when they should have risen in opposition (with the Conservatives). Too big to kill now... But your thinking is collective and only sees collective answers... The answer I have is like to my kind - Pull YOUR kids out of the education system and teach them yourself... Liberty has responsibility. Then at least your own are not part of the problem. I cannot change them all, but I can change my own.
The one thing that you should stand up against, that we should all stand up against...you determine its best to simply accept surrender. Let me help you out...home schooling will never be enough to counter the Progressive monopoly on education. That must be faced and fought....and yes its a fight that will last generations...and can never be "ceded" to the Left. Changing your "own" is just another type of surrender, because if we can't persuade our fellow citizens of the rightness of our cause...our cause is lost. So what you are advocating is...again...defeat and surrender.
So no, Standing on what's right and true is not just the right thing to do... It is the only thing to do.Sounds very pure and simple. In fact, all of us are standing for what we perceive as right and true...no less than yourself. We are as "true" of conservatives as are you, and unless all of us within that broader understanding of conservatism...not your narrow self approving version...can work in concert to fight progressivism...well...we will lose this country. Those too pure to work in this way will be at fault...that's not an accusation as much as it is a simple statement of what is.
@roamer_1 @DCPatriot
Wow. That’s the highest I’ve ever seen bullshit stacked. And pure too...not an ounce of historical context, intellectual honesty, philosophical depth nor an iota of common sense to muck up the shite pile.
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@roamer_1
Sorry I triggered you. But please point out my 'insult' in the post to which your refer.
If I insult you, it won't be translucent to anyone.
@DCPatriot
Not triggered... Your petty jibes have become mundane. Pedestrian. This is what I referred to:
LOL! You have ALL the answers to our problems as a country.
Too bad that we live in Realville....not on a game board.
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Wow. That’s the highest I’ve ever seen bullshit stacked. And pure too...not an ounce of historical context, intellectual honesty, philosophical depth nor an iota of common sense to muck up the shite pile.
Then you should be able to tear it down. Bring it.
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Then you should be able to tear it down. Bring it.
Why would I want to tear it down? It’s a monument to the absurdity of your position, I’d like it to stand in all its fecal glory for as long as possible.
Though I will add this....those who think they have the market on Truth cornered go by certain names. You know...Robespierre, Torquemada, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Khomeini, Jim Jones...well...the list is long but I think you can see where I’m heading with it.
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Wow, I stumbled into another Trumper Lecture on Fecal Matter, will wonders ever cease.
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Why would I want to tear it down? It’s a monument to the absurdity of your position, I’d like it to stand in all its fecal glory for as long as possible.
Too bad. I'd have liked to see you try to twist the thought of standing for what's right and true.
Oh, but then you did:
Though I will add this....those who think they have the market on Truth cornered go by certain names. You know...Robespierre, Torquemada, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Khomeini, Jim Jones...well...the list is long but I think you can see where I’m heading with it.
Yeah. Funny how Conservatives in standing on the truth, have never been thus inclined. I wonder if you understand the difference.
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Here's an insult for you... @roamer_1
If you think THAT which triggered you was an insult...you're one whiny little b*tch. :tongue2:
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Wow, I stumbled into another Trumper Lecture on Fecal Matter, will wonders ever cease.
Don't you have any pornographic/risque memes that need posting in another category? :smokin:
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Here's an insult for you... @roamer_1
If you think THAT which triggered you was an insult...you're one whiny little b*tch. :tongue2:
:yawn2: :boring:
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I didn't vote for Perot because I knew that a Successful Business Man is not an automatic 'Hall Pass' for POTUS. Trump needs new script writers/Advisors on this reality show, the Kushner husband/wife team is failing him badly, or maybe it's his 'fly by the pants' producing/directing, but something ain't working and America is feeling it. Other than his hardcore base (though fat and happy, aren't enough to get him reelected), we are all up the proverbial $hit creek without a paddle, if he fks this up.
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smokin joe wrote (re the president):
"He can do nothing from a political standpoint until either requested, or the situation is such that it is clear intervention is matter of national import."
OK, Joe, I'm gonna call you out on the floor about it.
Just what kind of "national import" would have to occur in order to warrant "intervention"....?
When enough of these pukes decide 'if Seattle can do this, we can too', and try to get a movement going. When the residents of those zones are crying out for relief from the occupiers, loudly enough to get past the Communist MSM screen. But the issue has to be front and center at the breakfast table, and the solution has to be something the overwhelming majority of people see as necessary. Short of these people seizing military arms, entering federal buildings, and literally making a federal case out of it, he really can't do anything or it will be spun against him till the wheels come off.
A man I respect who was a machine gunner in Korea, said once you got good with your gun you could pop off single rounds or maybe a couple close enough together they sounded like two riflemen firing about the same time. Emboldened by this sound, the North Koreans, and later the Chinese Communist Troops would break cover and charge. Once they were well out of their holes, it was time to 'go to work' and put them down.
Let them think the POTUS is impotent to do anything.
Get the vids, the drone images, identify as many as possible, especially ringleaders.. Identify networks. Track all financial transactions and communications. locate support personnel, trainers, financiers. Isn't that how we deal with ANY terrorist groups? Get intel, verify intel, act on it. It's still in the first two stages.
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Then you should be able to tear it down. Bring it.
@roamer_1
It IS BS,pure and simple. A freaking fantasy for a fantasy world of "what if" and "make believe" that doesn't exist.
It CAN'T be "torn down" because it only exists in your mind,and because of that it is a waste of time to try to argue with you over any of it.
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@roamer_1
It IS BS,pure and simple. A freaking fantasy for a fantasy world of "what if" and "make believe" that doesn't exist.
It CAN'T be "torn down" because it only exists in your mind,and because of that it is a waste of time to try to argue with you over any of it.
Amen, @sneakypete
Use your scroll wheel and let him talk to himself.
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@roamer_1
It IS BS,pure and simple. A freaking fantasy for a fantasy world of "what if" and "make believe" that doesn't exist.
It CAN'T be "torn down" because it only exists in your mind,and because of that it is a waste of time to try to argue with you over any of it.
Riiight. Another non-argument drive-by.
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Amen, @sneakypete
Use your scroll wheel and let him talk to himself.
Followed by a nyah, nyah, nyah from the cheap seats.
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An Answer to Roamer's earlier post.
@DCPatriot
No, Conservatism works all the time. And always will. It is not idealist to adhere to what works. To adhere to and advocate for Truth.What you see as truth, is very different from what others see as truth...the reality is, there are roughly 340 million versions of what is "truth" within the nation. Who's truth prevails? We can't even agree amongst conservatives and amongst Christians on a single definition of truth...so rest assured, YOUR truth is of no more value than anyone elses. The answer, of course, is that we must use reason and empathy and a democratic process to reach a functional compromise. On this site, we are conservatives...despite your personal claim that only you and those in complete agreement with you fit that description. But the mark of civilization...and an absolute requirement for a functional Republc is the ability to compromise, and since at least half the country has a different version of the "truth" than we do, compromise is also "what works"...in fact, it is the ONLY thing that works short of assuming dictatorial powers.
Foremost, your concatenation of Conservatism and Republicanism is false. Either you are Conservative or you are not. Republicans have nothing to do wit it, having broken the charter made with Conservatives lately through Reagan. Despite your protestations, the Republican party IS the only politically functional repository of conservatism in the United States. Your being part of one rather small sliver of that conservative coalition within the party does not change this fact. If conservatives cannot disagree amongst themselves whilst coming together to win national elections, than the cause of conservatism is doomed...by those who claim their pure version alone is acceptable. Narrow minded stupidity that ensures defeat...that's the hallmark of the NeverTrumpists.
And again, pragmatism has nothing to do with it, Either you adhere to what works, or you do not. Your argument being 'We can't do what works because it won't work'... Which is hilariously circular... And advocates doing what doesn't work instead... :laugh:You misstate the argument...deliberately I think. The argument is that we follow the Reagan doctrine of attaining the most conservative legislation possible within a democratic process...if we can get an 80% conservative bill we take it...while fools who demand purity will damn such a bill because its 20% moderate or progressive. You forget, that we do not get to dictate policy...nor does the President...here in the real world we must operate within the realm of what is actually possible. Purity tests equal political surrender and defeat...which is why so few of us agree with your approach to politics, leadership and the Presidency.
I won't go up against the education system - The education system Republicans let grow and even fed when they should have risen in opposition (with the Conservatives). Too big to kill now... But your thinking is collective and only sees collective answers... The answer I have is like to my kind - Pull YOUR kids out of the education system and teach them yourself... Liberty has responsibility. Then at least your own are not part of the problem. I cannot change them all, but I can change my own.
The one thing that you should stand up against, that we should all stand up against...you determine its best to simply accept surrender. Let me help you out...home schooling will never be enough to counter the Progressive monopoly on education. That must be faced and fought....and yes its a fight that will last generations...and can never be "ceded" to the Left. Changing your "own" is just another type of surrender, because if we can't persuade our fellow citizens of the rightness of our cause...our cause is lost. So what you are advocating is...again...defeat and surrender.
So no, Standing on what's right and true is not just the right thing to do... It is the only thing to do.Sounds very pure and simple. In fact, all of us are standing for what we perceive as right and true...no less than yourself. We are as "true" of conservatives as are you, and unless all of us within that broader understanding of conservatism...not your narrow self approving version...can work in concert to fight progressivism...well...we will lose this country. Those too pure to work in this way will be at fault...that's not an accusation as much as it is a simple statement of what is.
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An Answer to Roamer's earlier post.
@Mesaclone
Nicely thought out and stated op-ed on conservative values and unity. Problem is and not wanting sound defeatist......
We are getting demographically close to where 50% + 1 of the population is part of the entitlement class. When "free stuff" drives the electorate, we as conservatives are a dwindling faction and can do little to stop it. If I am wrong, I sure would like to hear your counter and solutions.......
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An Answer to Roamer's earlier post.
@DCPatriot
No, Conservatism works all the time. And always will. It is not idealist to adhere to what works. To adhere to and advocate for Truth.What you see as truth, is very different from what others see as truth...the reality is, there are roughly 340 million versions of what is "truth" within the nation. Who's truth prevails? We can't even agree amongst conservatives and amongst Christians on a single definition of truth...so rest assured, YOUR truth is of no more value than anyone elses. The answer, of course, is that we must use reason and empathy and a democratic process to reach a functional compromise. On this site, we are conservatives...despite your personal claim that only you and those in complete agreement with you fit that description. But the mark of civilization...and an absolute requirement for a functional Republc is the ability to compromise, and since at least half the country has a different version of the "truth" than we do, compromise is also "what works"...in fact, it is the ONLY thing that works short of assuming dictatorial powers.
Foremost, your concatenation of Conservatism and Republicanism is false. Either you are Conservative or you are not. Republicans have nothing to do wit it, having broken the charter made with Conservatives lately through Reagan. Despite your protestations, the Republican party IS the only politically functional repository of conservatism in the United States. Your being part of one rather small sliver of that conservative coalition within the party does not change this fact. If conservatives cannot disagree amongst themselves whilst coming together to win national elections, than the cause of conservatism is doomed...by those who claim their pure version alone is acceptable. Narrow minded stupidity that ensures defeat...that's the hallmark of the NeverTrumpists.
And again, pragmatism has nothing to do with it, Either you adhere to what works, or you do not. Your argument being 'We can't do what works because it won't work'... Which is hilariously circular... And advocates doing what doesn't work instead... :laugh:You misstate the argument...deliberately I think. The argument is that we follow the Reagan doctrine of attaining the most conservative legislation possible within a democratic process...if we can get an 80% conservative bill we take it...while fools who demand purity will damn such a bill because its 20% moderate or progressive. You forget, that we do not get to dictate policy...nor does the President...here in the real world we must operate within the realm of what is actually possible. Purity tests equal political surrender and defeat...which is why so few of us agree with your approach to politics, leadership and the Presidency.
I won't go up against the education system - The education system Republicans let grow and even fed when they should have risen in opposition (with the Conservatives). Too big to kill now... But your thinking is collective and only sees collective answers... The answer I have is like to my kind - Pull YOUR kids out of the education system and teach them yourself... Liberty has responsibility. Then at least your own are not part of the problem. I cannot change them all, but I can change my own.
The one thing that you should stand up against, that we should all stand up against...you determine its best to simply accept surrender. Let me help you out...home schooling will never be enough to counter the Progressive monopoly on education. That must be faced and fought....and yes its a fight that will last generations...and can never be "ceded" to the Left. Changing your "own" is just another type of surrender, because if we can't persuade our fellow citizens of the rightness of our cause...our cause is lost. So what you are advocating is...again...defeat and surrender.
So no, Standing on what's right and true is not just the right thing to do... It is the only thing to do.Sounds very pure and simple. In fact, all of us are standing for what we perceive as right and true...no less than yourself. We are as "true" of conservatives as are you, and unless all of us within that broader understanding of conservatism...not your narrow self approving version...can work in concert to fight progressivism...well...we will lose this country. Those too pure to work in this way will be at fault...that's not an accusation as much as it is a simple statement of what is.
OUTSTANDING, @Mesaclone !! :beer: :patriot:
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@Mesaclone
Nicely thought out and stated op-ed on conservative values and unity. Problem is and not wanting sound defeatist......
@catfish1957
Sadly,it has now gotten to the point where saying you are a Republican is equivalent to saying you are a defeatist. If there is one the Republicans have done well it is fail to perform since the first Bush scum was elected. It has done nothing more than drop their trousers and bend over and grab their ankles for the Dims ever since. Anybody whose motto isn't "compromise" has became a party outsider.
It is now and has been the RINO Party ever since Mr.Babs was elected. Actually,before that or he would have never been a candidate.
The RINO's are now entrenched and jealously guarding their power. They don't give a damn about being number 2 because they understand they still get their cuts for betraying their oaths and America under the table,and don't have to take the risks to get it.
THEN we got lucky and got a Presidential candidate that isn't owned by anybody,and who wants to be seen as a hero and the "savior of America" in the history books who can't be bribed into line because he is already wealthy and NOTHING is as important to him as his ego/how he is written about in the history books. He also can't be blackmailed because he has evidence of these same people demanding he pay them bribes when he was still in the construction business.
Plus,he is borderline batshit crazy,so they have no idea how to even approach him.
I VERY reluctantly voted for Trump,and only decided to vote the night before the election,when it occurred to me that he couldn't possibly be worse than Clinton if he tried,so I,and America had nothing to lose.
He has accomplished more to benefit America and bring her back as a stable world power than any president in my lifetime,and THAT was when he was being held back by having to face voters again to run for a second term.
Just imagine what he is going to do to the left after re-election,and he has no more reason to play kissy-face with them,
It is truly going to be a wonderful thing to watch.
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THEN we got lucky and got a Presidential candidate that isn't owned by anybody,and who wants to be seen as a hero and the "savior of America" in the history books who can't be bribed into line because he is already wealthy and NOTHING is as important to him as his ego/how he is written about in the history books. He also can't be blackmailed because he has evidence of these same people demanding he pay them bribes when he was still in the construction business.
Plus,he is borderline batshit crazy,so they have no idea how to even approach him.
I VERY reluctantly voted for Trump,and only decided to vote the night before the election,when it occurred to me that he couldn't possibly be worse than Clinton if he tried,so I,and America had nothing to lose.
He has accomplished more to benefit America and bring her back as a stable world power than any president in my lifetime,and THAT was when he was being held back by having to face voters again to run for a second term.
Just imagine what he is going to do to the left after re-election,and he has no more reason to play kissy-face with them,
It is truly going to be a wonderful thing to watch.
The act of physically stepping into a voting booth focuses the mind. People are cheated out of that focus when they stuff their ballot into an envelope and mail it in.
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The act of physically stepping into a voting booth focuses the mind. People are cheated out of that focus when they stuff their ballot into an envelope and mail it in.
@Cyber Liberty
And they are REALLY cheated when someone else does it for them,their parents,their grandparents,and their great-great grandparents.
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...still wondering when the time will be "ripe" for Trump to restore some law and order and preserve our police force.
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...still wondering when the time will be "ripe" for Trump to restore some law and order and preserve our police force.
When the Mayors/ Governors break down and ask him to step in, that way he is not being a tyrant/ dictator, and he can point to them and say "They requested...."
He is off the hook and they have admitted their own incompetence.
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...still wondering when the time will be "ripe" for Trump to restore some law and order and preserve our police force.
It's not, as of June 14th. I think we have a basic disagreement on when it's "ripe." Ripe is when people start demanding in in very large majorities because their Rat Governors officially fumbled the ball. People differ on when exactly that is, other than it isn't yet. :shrug:
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When the Mayors/ Governors break down and ask him to step in, that way he is not being a tyrant/ dictator, and he can point to them and say "They requested...."
He is off the hook and they have admitted their own incompetence.
@libertybele @verga
She and the other Never Trumpers know this,but they have ego invested in Trump failing now,and will never admit it.
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It's not, as of June 14th. I think we have a basic disagreement on when it's "ripe." Ripe is when people start demanding in in very large majorities because their Rat Governors officially fumbled the ball. People differ on when exactly that is, other than it isn't yet. :shrug:
Ripe is when we can still reserve as many police officers without them walking off the job or before we start seeing them murdered because of their profession, or before we see complete anarchy. In either case, it will be too late when those issues become the norm.
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Ripe is when we can still reserve as many police officers without them walking off the job or before we start seeing them murdered because of their profession, or before we see complete anarchy. In either case, it will be too late when those issues become the norm.
But if the public is still against it, then it's a guaranteed E-Ticket ride to ex-Presidency status on 1/20/21.
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@libertybele @verga
She and the other Never Trumpers know this,but they have ego invested in Trump failing now,and will never admit it.
@libertybele is as far from Never-Trump as you can get.
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But if the public is still against it, then it's a guaranteed E-Ticket ride to ex-Presidency status on 1/20/21.
@Cyber Liberty
What is what the Dims are having wet dreams thinking about. I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't already recorded some videos for tv,and waiting for the right moment to air them and blame it all on Trump.
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@libertybele is as far from Never-Trump as you can get.
@libertybele @Cyber Liberty
If true,I offer her my apologies,but it sure didn't look like it to me in the post she made that I responded to.
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@libertybele @Cyber Liberty
If true,I offer her my apologies,but it sure didn't look like it to me in the post she made that I responded to.
Exactly what post are you referring to?? I am definitely not a Never Trumper but there is no way that I will give him or any other politician a free pass just because they have an 'R' next to their name.
As I have stated many many times, I will vote for the candidate that I believe will take this country in a more positive direction; if Trump doesn't continue to meet that criteria in the next couple of months, then I would consider not voting at all.
At present, I firmly believe that Trump IS who is standing between us and socialism. I have stated and argued that point several times.
There have been several things that he has done that concerns me with him, that doesn't mean that I'm a Never Trumper.
Those that give our politicians free pasess just because of party is why we are in the predicament that we're in.
I am opposed to his runaway spending. I've been less than pleased with his actions along the border for sometime though things have improved. I think he was too complacent in not using the full GOP majority when he had it. I applaud his quick and swift action with Qassem Soleimani that saved lives. So far I am uncomfortable with his inaction in handling the Black b.s. thug situation. I applaud his handling of the Chinese and renegotiating NAFTA. I applaud his platform of Americans first. I applaud tremendously his last State of the Union speech. He has a tremendous ability to sell himself and connect with people. I see him as a tremendous leader with backbone.
If you want to label me as a Never Trumper because I'm not 100% behind everything that he does ... so be it.
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To Whom It May Concern:
@libertybele was only briefly a Member of our little TBR TDS Matters club and that was way back when it was considered Kewl to be in our club. She was expelled for non payment of dues, most the rest of our Members have been banned due to the tremendous pressure from our resident Trumpers. Today we are only a figment of their vivid imagination.
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...still wondering when the time will be "ripe" for Trump to restore some law and order and preserve our police force.
IMO, it will be the first day of very bad weather (for demonstrating)
This way there will be a minimum of casualties.
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IMO, it will be the first day of very bad weather (for demonstrating)
This way there will be a minimum of casualties.
We still have to "wave a dead chicken" to allow the Governors to screw it up before the Fed can "insist" they clean up their cities. We know they're going to muck it up, and we have to let them do a good job of that first. Then it's ripe.
Move in too quickly and the crowd that never gave Trump a chance will be furious their buffoons didn't get a chance to foul it up first.
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If you want to label me as a Never Trumper because I'm not 100% behind everything that he does ... so be it.
The same goes for me.
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The same goes for me.
And just about everybody else who posts here.
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Well, what have we here? A wide ranging discussion. Ooh, my favorite.
Thee hundred thirty million people and only two (effective) parties. That’s it—two; we’re a two-party country. That means if we want to change direction, we gotta either find a third party that can compete and win (not likely), or form broad coalitions within the republican party.
Democrats got that covered. Imposing strict party discipline they virtually own big city governments, and managed to elect socialists and near socialists across large segments of the country.
To change the party’s direction republicans should impose party discipline and work within the primary system, re @Mesaclone ’s 80/20 point. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, individualism is strong in the republican base so broad coalitions that have common agreement on ultimate goals have to dominate the party if we ever hope to reclaim our republican (capital R) government.
We gotta fight fire with fire and impose strong party discipline; starting at the top with leadership.
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It's not, as of June 14th. I think we have a basic disagreement on when it's "ripe." Ripe is when people start demanding in in very large majorities because their Rat Governors officially fumbled the ball. People differ on when exactly that is, other than it isn't yet. :shrug:
When its like an Apocalyptic movie playing out on local news isn't soon enough for some real leadership? Talking about defunding police. Total anarchy?
I agree this is past peaceful protest. This is total anarchy. Putting all citizens in danger.
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Well, what have we here? A wide ranging discussion. Ooh, my favorite.
Thee hundred thirty million people and only two (effective) parties. That’s it—two; we’re a two-party country. That means if we want to change direction, we gotta either find a third party that can compete and win (not likely), or form broad coalitions within the republican party.
Democrats got that covered. Imposing strict party discipline they virtually own big city governments, and managed to elect socialists and near socialists across large segments of the country.
To change the party’s direction republicans should impose party discipline and work within the primary system, re @Mesaclone ’s 80/20 point. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, individualism is strong in the republican base so broad coalitions that have common agreement on ultimate goals have to dominate the party if we ever hope to reclaim our republican (capital R) government.
We gotta fight fire with fire and impose strong party discipline; starting at the top with leadership.
When was the last time a 3rd party won? Or if there was even a time when a 3rd party won? The GOP remains splintered because some are trying to change the direction of the party or swing the party back in the direction of conservatism.
Yes, we need to fight fire with fire, but it seems that the majority of our politicians are unwilling to do so.
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IMO, it will be the first day of very bad weather (for demonstrating)
This way there will be a minimum of casualties.
Nope, you should have seen it this last week. It dumped like there was a huge bucket being poured out of the sky. Yesterday I went shopping and I couldn't even hardly see on the freeway.
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Well, what have we here? A wide ranging discussion. Ooh, my favorite.
Thee hundred thirty million people and only two (effective) parties. That’s it—two; we’re a two-party country. That means if we want to change direction, we gotta either find a third party that can compete and win (not likely), or form broad coalitions within the republican party.
Democrats got that covered. Imposing strict party discipline they virtually own big city governments, and managed to elect socialists and near socialists across large segments of the country.
To change the party’s direction republicans should impose party discipline and work within the primary system, re @Mesaclone ’s 80/20 point. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, individualism is strong in the republican base so broad coalitions that have common agreement on ultimate goals have to dominate the party if we ever hope to reclaim our republican (capital R) government.
We gotta fight fire with fire and impose strong party discipline; starting at the top with leadership.
This makes more sense than anything I've seen here in a coon's age.
Thanks for summing it up so nicely.
I would love to see Mitch & McCarthy kick some ass whenever a Mulkowski or Romney stand in front of a microphone & run off at the mouth while trying to get a little love from the rat media. Promise a primary challenge, or cut a committee assignment, or SOMETHING.
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When its like an Apocalyptic movie playing out on local news isn't soon enough for some real leadership? Talking about defunding police. Total anarchy?
I agree this is past peaceful protest. This is total anarchy. Putting all citizens in danger.
And when the Rat Governors demonstrate they can only bravely order hair-dressers and gym owners around, but not violent rioters because they are cowards, then it will be time. Governors like Washington's Inslee try to buy themselves time by refusing to admit something has happened, but it's not working.
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When its like an Apocalyptic movie playing out on local news isn't soon enough for some real leadership? Talking about defunding police. Total anarchy?
I agree this is past peaceful protest. This is total anarchy. Putting all citizens in danger.
Total anarchy isn't here yet, but certainly my fear that that scenario could evolve very rapidly if there is no push back. Perhaps it will get to the point where the GOP governors will defend law enforcement and the DEMS won't .... then I'd say maybe Trump has some valid reason to wait ... people will hopefully finally see for themselves what the DEM party is all about. Then it gets back to strictly a political move rather than saving our Republic from destruction.
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When was the last time a 3rd party won? Or if there was even a time when a 3rd party won? The GOP remains splintered because some are trying to change the direction of the party or swing the party back in the direction of conservatism.
Yes, we need to fight fire with fire, but it seems that the majority of our politicians are unwilling to do so.
Yes, there was a time when a 3rd Party won, it was the Republicans who deposed the Whigs, and it's for the same reason the GOP has trouble with 3rd parties. The Whigs could not bring themselves to stand against slavery so they half-assed their opposition to it, in the same manner that the 21st Century GOP half-asses our goals.
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Yes, there was a time when a 3rd Party won, it was the Republicans who deposed the Whigs, and it's for the same reason the GOP has trouble with 3rd parties. The Whigs could not bring themselves to stand against slavery so they half-assed their opposition to it, in the same manner that the 21st Century GOP half-asses our goals.
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An Answer to Roamer's earlier post.
@DCPatriot
No, Conservatism works all the time. And always will. It is not idealist to adhere to what works. To adhere to and advocate for Truth.What you see as truth, is very different from what others see as truth...the reality is, there are roughly 340 million versions of what is "truth" within the nation. Who's truth prevails? We can't even agree amongst conservatives and amongst Christians on a single definition of truth...so rest assured, YOUR truth is of no more value than anyone elses. The answer, of course, is that we must use reason and empathy and a democratic process to reach a functional compromise. On this site, we are conservatives...despite your personal claim that only you and those in complete agreement with you fit that description. But the mark of civilization...and an absolute requirement for a functional Republc is the ability to compromise, and since at least half the country has a different version of the "truth" than we do, compromise is also "what works"...in fact, it is the ONLY thing that works short of assuming dictatorial powers.
Foremost, your concatenation of Conservatism and Republicanism is false. Either you are Conservative or you are not. Republicans have nothing to do wit it, having broken the charter made with Conservatives lately through Reagan. Despite your protestations, the Republican party IS the only politically functional repository of conservatism in the United States. Your being part of one rather small sliver of that conservative coalition within the party does not change this fact. If conservatives cannot disagree amongst themselves whilst coming together to win national elections, than the cause of conservatism is doomed...by those who claim their pure version alone is acceptable. Narrow minded stupidity that ensures defeat...that's the hallmark of the NeverTrumpists.
And again, pragmatism has nothing to do with it, Either you adhere to what works, or you do not. Your argument being 'We can't do what works because it won't work'... Which is hilariously circular... And advocates doing what doesn't work instead... :laugh:You misstate the argument...deliberately I think. The argument is that we follow the Reagan doctrine of attaining the most conservative legislation possible within a democratic process...if we can get an 80% conservative bill we take it...while fools who demand purity will damn such a bill because its 20% moderate or progressive. You forget, that we do not get to dictate policy...nor does the President...here in the real world we must operate within the realm of what is actually possible. Purity tests equal political surrender and defeat...which is why so few of us agree with your approach to politics, leadership and the Presidency.
I won't go up against the education system - The education system Republicans let grow and even fed when they should have risen in opposition (with the Conservatives). Too big to kill now... But your thinking is collective and only sees collective answers... The answer I have is like to my kind - Pull YOUR kids out of the education system and teach them yourself... Liberty has responsibility. Then at least your own are not part of the problem. I cannot change them all, but I can change my own.
The one thing that you should stand up against, that we should all stand up against...you determine its best to simply accept surrender. Let me help you out...home schooling will never be enough to counter the Progressive monopoly on education. That must be faced and fought....and yes its a fight that will last generations...and can never be "ceded" to the Left. Changing your "own" is just another type of surrender, because if we can't persuade our fellow citizens of the rightness of our cause...our cause is lost. So what you are advocating is...again...defeat and surrender.
So no, Standing on what's right and true is not just the right thing to do... It is the only thing to do.Sounds very pure and simple. In fact, all of us are standing for what we perceive as right and true...no less than yourself. We are as "true" of conservatives as are you, and unless all of us within that broader understanding of conservatism...not your narrow self approving version...can work in concert to fight progressivism...well...we will lose this country. Those too pure to work in this way will be at fault...that's not an accusation as much as it is a simple statement of what is.
All of that just to call those who don't go along purist? Lengthy post just so you could blame others for what Trump is doing to himself. Trump is not and has never been Conservative. He was a Democrat until 2012. He said he was going to have a different party. A workers party. His party is Trump party of populism. He doesn't say a word he doesn't think will give him votes and its risky business trying to please everyone.
Compromise is where we are today. Anarchy.
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Total anarchy isn't here yet, but certainly my fear that that scenario could evolve very rapidly if there is no push back. Perhaps it will get to the point where the GOP governors will defend law enforcement and the DEMS won't .... then I'd say maybe Trump has some valid reason to wait ... people will hopefully finally see for themselves what the DEM party is all about. Then it gets back to strictly a political move rather than saving our Republic from destruction.
Problem being that Republicans are going along with the pandering. You saw the Tucker video. Even VP Pence is pandering.
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All of that just to call those who don't go along purist? Lengthy post just so you could blame others for what Trump is doing to himself. Trump is not and has never been Conservative. He was a Democrat until 2012. He said he was going to have a different party. A workers party. His party is Trump party of populism. He doesn't say a word he doesn't think will give him votes and its risky business trying to please everyone.
Compromise is where we are today. Anarchy.
He has governed as a rock ribbed conservative on the vast majority of issues. You doubting his sincerity in doing so is irrelevant...as are the tweets and off the wall statements he makes. All that matters is action...he dramatically cut taxes, he IS building the wall (albeit slowly), he IS rebuilding our military strength, he IS reducing regulation and setting business free to launch the stock markets and reduce unemployment (despite the derailment of Coronavirus), he IS nominating a tremendous number of conservative justices to the courts including two Supremes, he IS fighting the Left at every step...which is why they are becoming, almost literally, insane.
Why the hell do you think the Left despises the man...why are they frantic to the point of madness to get rid of him? Let me give you a clue...its not because he's a liberal furthering their liberal agenda. Open your eyes for god's sake...we all KNOW the man is imperfect...but he fights the Left with all his heart and soul and fights for the conservative cause EVERY GODDAMM DAY...while folks like you undermine our conservative coalition and provide daily aid and comfort to the Left by relentlessly attacking him.
What is so MADDENING is that you can't see that you're defeating your own belief system...because either Trump wins this battle and passes the torch to the next conservative leader in this fight, or the Left wins and we see the end of our Republic. There's no in between...no getting rid of Trump and bringing in the kind of Religio-Conservative anti-Trumpist bloviator to defeat the next Lib President. There is no second chance...no reboot...if we lose this election. If the Left wins THIS fight, we get 25 million new Dem voters...100% mail in ballots and instant registration...state suppression of conservative speech at levels that will make today's college campus safe spaces look like the Continental congress.
The fight is now and its too late to look to alternatives to lead us in that fight...for good or ill we win this battle with Trump or we lose the country...forever. You can sit and bitch on the sidelines and pretend your sooooooo ethical in voting for some 3rd party nincompoop who has zero chance...or you can get in the goddamm fight with the rest of us conservatives. My guess...you lack the courage to fight, the discernment to see that its now or never, the humility to join your "impure" fellow conservatives, and the wisdom to see that any coalition must...well...coalesce... when threatened with extinction.
I don't hate NT'rs, I pity them...as Jesus said "they know not what they do". You are lifting the Left to a victory that will be end of the American Republic...and that is not melodrama...if Biden wins, you will not recognize this nation in 2028.
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He has governed as a rock ribbed conservative on the vast majority of issues. You doubting his sincerity in doing so is irrelevant...as are the tweets and off the wall statements he makes. All that matters is action...he dramatically cut taxes, he IS building the wall (albeit slowly), he IS rebuilding our military strength, he IS reducing regulation and setting business free to launch the stock markets and reduce unemployment (despite the derailment of Coronavirus), he IS nominating a tremendous number of conservative justices to the courts including two Supremes, he IS fighting the Left at every step...which is why they are becoming, almost literally, insane.
Why the hell do you think the Left despises the man...why are they frantic to the point of madness to get rid of him? Let me give you a clue...its not because he's a liberal furthering their liberal agenda. Open your eyes for god's sake...we all KNOW the man is imperfect...but he fights the Left with all his heart and soul and fights for the conservative cause EVERY GODDAMM DAY...while folks like you undermine our conservative coalition and provide daily aid and comfort to the Left by relentlessly attacking him.
What is so MADDENING is that you can't see that you're defeating your own belief system...because either Trump wins this battle and passes the torch to the next conservative leader in this fight, or the Left wins and we see the end of our Republic. There's no in between...no getting rid of Trump and bringing in the kind of Religio-Conservative anti-Trumpist bloviator to defeat the next Lib President. There is no second chance...no reboot...if we lose this election. If the Left wins THIS fight, we get 25 million new Dem voters...100% mail in ballots and instant registration...state suppression of conservative speech at levels that will make today's college campus safe spaces look like the Continental congress.
The fight is now and its too late to look to alternatives to lead us in that fight...for good or ill we win this battle with Trump or we lose the country...forever. You can sit and bitch on the sidelines and pretend your sooooooo ethical in voting for some 3rd party nincompoop who has zero chance...or you can get in the goddamm fight with the rest of us conservatives. My guess...you lack the courage to fight, the discernment to see that its now or never, the humility to join your "impure" fellow conservatives, and the wisdom to see that any coalition must...well...coalesce... when threatened with extinction.
I don't hate NT'rs, I pity them...as Jesus said "they know not what they do". You are lifting the Left to a victory that will be end of the American Republic...and that is not melodrama...if Biden wins, you will not recognize this nation in 2028.
Look around now. Seems pretty unrecognizable to me. I am not lifting Biden to victory Trump is doing that all on his own.
Right now I just read that Trump and Biden are within 1 point in Texas. Texas!
Justice Brett Kavanaugh Confirms Fears Conservatives Had About Him
By Jeff Reynolds Apr 27, 2020 3:41 PM EST
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/04/27/justice-brett-kavanaugh-confirms-fears-conservatives-had-about-him-n386027
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Problem being that Republicans are going along with the pandering. You saw the Tucker video. Even VP Pence is pandering.
I didn't see the video. I don't know of any Republican governors who have gone along with the defunding of police. As for Pence, not much more that I can say about him then I've thought he's been a poor choice for VP. Though he has always found a way to play defense for his boss and that's a positive.
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Look around now. Seems pretty unrecognizable to me. I am not lifting Biden to victory Trump is doing that all on his own.
Right now I just read that Trump and Biden are within 1 point in Texas. Texas!
Justice Brett Kavanaugh Confirms Fears Conservatives Had About Him
By Jeff Reynolds Apr 27, 2020 3:41 PM EST
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/04/27/justice-brett-kavanaugh-confirms-fears-conservatives-had-about-him-n386027
The topic is not Bret Kavanaugh, nor your disappointment with Trump over appointing him.
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What is so MADDENING is that you can't see that you're defeating your own belief system...because either Trump wins this battle and passes the torch to the next conservative leader in this fight, or the Left wins and we see the end of our Republic. There's no in between...no getting rid of Trump and bringing in the kind of Religio-Conservative anti-Trumpist bloviator to defeat the next Lib President. There is no second chance...no reboot...if we lose this election. If the Left wins THIS fight, we get 25 million new Dem voters...100% mail in ballots and instant registration...state suppression of conservative speech at levels that will make today's college campus safe spaces look like the Continental congress.
Very well stated. Trump so far has taken this country in a more positive direction than Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. and Obama. I have reservations about him and always have, but he has backbone and has displayed tremendous patriotism. Right now I believe he is standing between us and socialism and hopefully he will continue to stay on that course.
With Trump I see a glimmer of hope for this Republic, with Biden, there is no hope. None. Zero. Zilch.
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Justice Brett Kavanaugh Confirms Fears Conservatives Had About Him
I didn't bother to read the article, but considering what the left tried to do to him in his hearings, I have a problem thinking he'd start siding with them. He should be on a vendetta.
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Look around now. Seems pretty unrecognizable to me. I am not lifting Biden to victory Trump is doing that all on his own.
Right now I just read that Trump and Biden are within 1 point in Texas. Texas!
Justice Brett Kavanaugh Confirms Fears Conservatives Had About Him
By Jeff Reynolds Apr 27, 2020 3:41 PM EST
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/04/27/justice-brett-kavanaugh-confirms-fears-conservatives-had-about-him-n386027
We don't recognize this country because the left is out of control and they are doing everything to ensure that Trump is not re-elected. Why do you think that is? Do you think if they thought that he would play their games that they would even bother? He IS the resistance to their agenda.
Yes, I have reservations about Trump. I also recognize that he is taking us in a more positive direction.
As for polls, they have proven to be unreliable the past several election cycles and are as biased as the MSM. As for TX, the demographics have changed dramatically so much so that the Hispanics are nearing becoming the majority and many will be eligible to vote this election... same goes for Florida. It really has nothing to do with the popularity of Trump among conservatives or independents.
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I didn't bother to read the article, but considering what the left tried to do to him in his hearings, I have a problem thinking he'd start siding with them. He should be on a vendetta.
Not unlike Clarence Thomas.
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All talk, no action. Didn't he say he was going to send in the military a week or so ago if cities couldn't get the anarchy under control? Maybe if he had, Seattle wouldn't be occupied.
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Applewood, you're a voice in the wilderness, as Trump has been all mouth since a toddler.
Seattle, N. Korea, Venezuela, Spending; name the issue and his behavior and results match.
And his Fan Club is in full support w/every allowance/excuse/justification imaginable.
Seattle represents an insurrection that is seething in the bowels of our urban areas.
Be it the Paris Bastille in July, 1789 or St. Petersburg in Feb 1917; the result was
transformation and upheaval; and it always will be, as Napoleon and Kerensky well understood.
A wise man insisted it was far better the Ruler be feared rather than loved.
Ask yourself whether Louis 16th, Nicholas Romanov or Trump were/are feared???
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Applewood, you're a voice in the wilderness, as Trump has been all mouth since a toddler.
Seattle, N. Korea, Venezuela, Spending; name the issue and his behavior and results match.
And his Fan Club is in full support w/every allowance/excuse/justification imaginable.
Seattle represents an insurrection that is seething in the bowels of our urban areas.
Be it the Paris Bastille in July, 1789 or St. Petersburg in Feb 1917; the result was
transformation and upheaval; and it always will be, as Napoleon and Kerensky well understood.
A wise man insisted it was far better the Ruler be feared rather than loved.
Ask yourself whether Louis 16th, Nicholas Romanov or Trump were/are feared???
So I can put you down in the "Trump's bad because he didn't act like a Dictator" camp?
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Applewood, you're a voice in the wilderness, as Trump has been all mouth since a toddler.
Seattle, N. Korea, Venezuela, Spending; name the issue and his behavior and results match.
And his Fan Club is in full support w/every allowance/excuse/justification imaginable.
Seattle represents an insurrection that is seething in the bowels of our urban areas.
Be it the Paris Bastille in July, 1789 or St. Petersburg in Feb 1917; the result was
transformation and upheaval; and it always will be, as Napoleon and Kerensky well understood.
A wise man insisted it was far better the Ruler be feared rather than loved.
Ask yourself whether Louis 16th, Nicholas Romanov or Trump were/are feared???
@Absalom
Thank you for your well-reasoned response.
I keep asking what Trump is waiting for? The terrorists are occupying Seattle. They have threatened to occupy other cities. But Trump supporters say he has to wait. Wait for what? Till other cities are taken over?
He does this way too often. Look at all his campaign promises that have gone unfulfilled. Oh, his fans say, he was hamstrung by the so-called Deep State. It was congress' fault; it was the Dems' fault; it was his own party's fault, blah, blah, blah.
I mentioned Trump said he was severing our ties with the WHO. Hasn't done that yet. When is he going to do it? Whose fault is it that he hasn't? There is always a scapegoat for his inactions and his failures.
Now we have anarchists taking over the country. I'm told Trump has to wait to see what the states and locals will do where this is happening. Uh...looks to me like the states and locals are on the side of the anarchists. They aren't doing jack. So what is he waiting for? What is his excuse?
So he makes these promises to get tough. When he fails to do so, people (other than his loyal fans) realize he is a paper tiger. They don't fear him because they know he won't do anything but whine, complain and blame others for his failure to act.
As Eli Wallach's character said here, if you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
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So I can put you down in the "Trump's bad because he didn't act like a Dictator" camp?
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Cyber, I suspect that you're a lot smarter than you usually sound.
You know that neither I nor any reasonable person wants Trump to assume the role of Lenin.
Put simply, when issurection simmers, talk encourages more while action produces less.
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Cyber, I suspect that you're a lot smarter than you usually sound.
You know that neither I nor any reasonable person wants Trump to assume the role of Lenin.
Put simply, when issurection simmers, talk encourages more while action produces less.
I'm pretty sure about me, not so sure about you. Doesn't matter.
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To Whom It May Concern:
@libertybele was only briefly a Member of our little TBR TDS Matters club and that was way back when it was considered Kewl to be in our club. She was expelled for non payment of dues, most the rest of our Members have been banned due to the tremendous pressure from our resident Trumpers. Today we are only a figment of their vivid imagination.
Yeah, when the nether trumpets start blowing about conservative "Never Trumpers", discussion is over. Preordained misconceptions of individuals take over and nothing is heard from there, nor can past demonstrations of support for selected actions of the POTUS be remembered. No skin color can elicit such ardent prejudice. Meh.
If we could get away from the crap, maybe we could have an intelligent discussion again.
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Yeah, when the nether trumpets start blowing about conservative "Never Trumpers", discussion is over. Preordained misconceptions of individuals take over and nothing is heard from there, nor can past demonstrations of support for selected actions of the POTUS be remembered. No skin color can elicit such ardent prejudice. Meh.
If we could get away from the crap, maybe we could have an intelligent discussion again.
I am pessimistic.
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Applewood, you're a voice in the wilderness, as Trump has been all mouth since a toddler.
Seattle, N. Korea, Venezuela, Spending; name the issue and his behavior and results match.
And his Fan Club is in full support w/every allowance/excuse/justification imaginable.
Seattle represents an insurrection that is seething in the bowels of our urban areas.
Be it the Paris Bastille in July, 1789 or St. Petersburg in Feb 1917; the result was
transformation and upheaval; and it always will be, as Napoleon and Kerensky well understood.
A wise man insisted it was far better the Ruler be feared rather than loved.
Ask yourself whether Louis 16th, Nicholas Romanov or Trump were/are feared???
Yeah, jump right in, **** it! Nuke Seattle! That will show them!
That'll teach all those alphabet protesters!
Oh, wait, that won't fly here. This isn't the 1960s, and calling out the National Guard or Federal Troops is, like, so mid-century.
Unless and until the people cry for the intervention (with lethal force if necessary) in Seattle or anywhere else in this country, it's better to gather intel and wait.
Haste will net a few, to the vociferous protests of the left, wall to wall, floor to ceiling, 24/7 howling across the cable bands about the Diktator Trump, right up till the election, with such ardent repetition that even those who wanted law and order reestablished will think they have been wronged.
Or, sit back, wait, study the networks, and take the whole bloody mess down. October surprises can go either way.
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We don't recognize this country because the left is out of control and they are doing everything to ensure that Trump is not re-elected. Why do you think that is? Do you think if they thought that he would play their games that they would even bother? He IS the resistance to their agenda.
Yes, I have reservations about Trump. I also recognize that he is taking us in a more positive direction.
As for polls, they have proven to be unreliable the past several election cycles and are as biased as the MSM. As for TX, the demographics have changed dramatically so much so that the Hispanics are nearing becoming the majority and many will be eligible to vote this election... same goes for Florida. It really has nothing to do with the popularity of Trump among conservatives or independents.
No, Trump is doing everything he can to ensure Trump is not elected. He purposely eggs them on. You can't honestly tell me that you didn't expect blow back for clearing peaceful protesters to have a photo op? He knew, they knew. It was like giving a dog a bone. Same thing with the conspiracy tweets. Every problem Trump has had with liberal media he gave it to them himself.
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I am pessimistic.
With me it ebbs and flows. I swear some mornings I can’t do a thing with my hair! Others days I just wish I could get off the streets and into the gutter and go bowling.
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Yeah, jump right in, **** it! Nuke Seattle! That will show them!
That'll teach all those alphabet protesters!
Oh, wait, that won't fly here. This isn't the 1960s, and calling out the National Guard or Federal Troops is, like, so mid-century.
Unless and until the people cry for the intervention (with lethal force if necessary) in Seattle or anywhere else in this country, it's better to gather intel and wait.
Haste will net a few, to the vociferous protests of the left, wall to wall, floor to ceiling, 24/7 howling across the cable bands about the Diktator Trump, right up till the election, with such ardent repetition that even those who wanted law and order reestablished will think they have been wronged.
Or, sit back, wait, study the networks, and take the whole bloody mess down. October surprises can go either way.
@Smokin Joe
Who do you think you are,trying to talk reason to those people?
They have their opinions,and by GAWD they ain't about to let a little thing like reason stand in their way!
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@Smokin Joe
Who do you think you are,trying to talk reason to those people?
They have their opinions,and by GAWD they ain't about to let a little thing like reason stand in their way!
I have a weakness for explaining basic rocket surgery to farm animals. My bad. Usually they don't get so upset.
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An Answer to Roamer's earlier post.
Ahh... Thanks right off the bat, @Mesaclone , for showing yourself to be so petty as to pointedly refuse to ping me to to the argument, either by actual ping or by the built in quotation system. . As with other things said herein, you prove yourself more than willing to discard standards and mores.
So thanks again for the sophomoric slight. It stands perfectly as a shining standard of the Tump campaign.
What you see as truth, is very different from what others see as truth...the reality is, there are roughly 340 million versions of what is "truth" within the nation. Who's truth prevails? We can't even agree amongst conservatives and amongst Christians on a single definition of truth...so rest assured, YOUR truth is of no more value than anyone elses.
Typically liberal thought... The fetid voice of indefinition. The destruction of standards. As with liberal Christianity, which has bent the words of Yeshua and what they mean to the point that they can mean anything at all, this thought pretty well leaves Conservatism to be anything anyone wants it to be. I reject that outright.
No dear Mesaclone, there is only ONE truth. and with Conservatism, like Christianity, those approaching orthodoxy are closest to understanding... Because to them the origin of the thing is precious. They do not dare to bend the meaning.
The answer, of course, is that we must use reason and empathy and a democratic process to reach a functional compromise. On this site, we are conservatives...despite your personal claim that only you and those in complete agreement with you fit that description. But the mark of civilization...and an absolute requirement for a functional Republc is the ability to compromise, and since at least half the country has a different version of the "truth" than we do, compromise is also "what works"...in fact, it is the ONLY thing that works short of assuming dictatorial powers.[/b]
And therein lies confusion. You describe a political vehicle, not immovable truth. You describe the Republican party, truly replacing principle things, Conservatism, with political expedience. Certainly you can compromise within a political vehicle. That is what it is for... But in the meaning of things, in the definition of truth, compromise is called corruption. Truly.
In fact, that which works is timeless. A principle thing is always true. In that there is no substitution, and there can be no compromise. There is only law. Those essentials just ARE. You may as well claim the ability to mess with gravity or thermodynamics.
And the problem for you in this context is that those principles are the thing that bind us to form unity and drive that political vehicle you hold so dear... Without those things, the unorthodox creep in, and soon enough the principle things apparently dissolve in the caricature that becomes the 'reality' instead. That is the 'reality' to which you refer... A caricature that vaguely resembles the real thing, in just the same way a liberal church resembles Christianity.
Despite your protestations, the Republican party IS the only politically functional repository of conservatism in the United States.
No in fact, it is not, and that is precisely the point.
Your being part of one rather small sliver of that conservative coalition within the party does not change this fact. If conservatives cannot disagree amongst themselves whilst coming together to win national elections, than the cause of conservatism is doomed...by those who claim their pure version alone is acceptable. Narrow minded stupidity that ensures defeat...that's the hallmark of the NeverTrumpists.
Having sullied the definition of Conservatism to mean just about anything at all, It becomes nothing but a patch without rockers. But it is the rockers that define the patch - That provide authenticity. The patch has no value without the rockers, and is in fact, counterfeit. Again, a caricature. An empty vessel.
That is in fact the doom of the Conservative cause in the way you would go. Hollowed out and meaningless. In every way that same liberal church, devoid of value. Corruption and caricature. To the point that most people on this site could not define Conservatism by the numbers... Could not cite the principles they claim.
You misstate the argument...deliberately I think. The argument is that we follow the Reagan doctrine of attaining the most conservative legislation possible within a democratic process...if we can get an 80% conservative bill we take it...while fools who demand purity will damn such a bill because its 20% moderate or progressive. You forget, that we do not get to dictate policy...nor does the President...here in the real world we must operate within the realm of what is actually possible. Purity tests equal political surrender and defeat...which is why so few of us agree with your approach to politics, leadership and the Presidency.
You misstate Reagan, leaving out the resolve to never again let liberalism infect the party. And with your malformed definition of what Conservatism even IS, who the hell can say what is conservative versus moderate or progressive? It's whatever you like it to be, as malleable as the Republican party desires. You preach an empty doctrine. A blank sheet. And it is why the liberals are winning.
The one thing that you should stand up against, that we should all stand up against...you determine its best to simply accept surrender. Let me help you out...home schooling will never be enough to counter the Progressive monopoly on education. That must be faced and fought....and yes its a fight that will last generations...and can never be "ceded" to the Left. Changing your "own" is just another type of surrender, because if we can't persuade our fellow citizens of the rightness of our cause...our cause is lost. So what you are advocating is...again...defeat and surrender.
You have no cause.
In the first place, by the Conservative way of thinking, Federal meddling in education is unconstitutional. Y'all ain't fighting for that, and never will. Just like every other Conservative principle that has seen no gain and only erosion across the length of my life. Not a single win. None. Bupkis. Take the niggling little bits thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. In thirty more years you'll still be preaching the same damn thing and still nothing to show for it.
And to the contrary, if every conservative had the wherewithal of purpose, and pulled their children out of the school system, the system would necessarily collapse. And it is not surrender to do what I can. In fact that means far more - the battle at the local level - than at the federal level. And that describes the failure of your party and your cause more than anything else... Describing independence and individualism as surrender.
Sounds very pure and simple. In fact, all of us are standing for what we perceive as right and true...no less than yourself. We are as "true" of conservatives as are you, and unless all of us within that broader understanding of conservatism...not your narrow self approving version...can work in concert to fight progressivism...well...we will lose this country. Those too pure to work in this way will be at fault...that's not an accusation as much as it is a simple statement of what is.
You are progressivism. You just don't know it.
It is pure and simple. Conservatism in all its reach is well defined. And as it touches politics, it is also well defined. It stands upon pillars of truth. Principle things. Named things that contain meaning.
Those well defined things are what provide the impetus for your political vehicle. It's unity and structure are found therein. There is plenty of room for compromise beyond those pillars. But pillars have a purpose. You should think of what they do before you so blithely knock them down.
Liberalism is winning. Not by it's merit. It holds no merit. It is winning because it has no opposition. That opposition is found in those very pillars you seek to destroy.
And it isn't merely a narrow definition. It is the very marrow of the thing, and the basis of coalition.
That coalition no longer exists in the Republican party, because the Republican party does not provide service, and really never has... And it shows. With more than 60% of the country espousing conservatism, you can't hardly win an election... barely ekeing out a paltry win... In the meantime, the non-voting have become the biggest bloc of all. The disaffected. And the Republicans have been hemorrhaging members for decades. Where do you think they are going? PSST! They're going where I am.
You have it all wrong. The customer is always right, and your Republican big tent barely can pay to keep the lights on. You demand I buy your product - A product that I do not like, and in fact, cannot stand. It is vomit to me. Flatulence. Yet somehow you think I owe it to you. That you have a right to shove it down my throat and make me buy it... And then have the unmitigated gall to blame ME when I walk away and you can't keep the lights on.
The failure is not coming, it is here... That is not my fault. I am right here where I have always been. Fighting for exactly the same things I have always fought for. To lean on Reagan: I didn't leave the Republican party. The Republican party left me.
And it is pointless to support you. You suggest there is unity, for instance, in throwing fiscal conservatism under the bus... That I BETRAY my oath to my fellows made all those years ago.
LISTEN to that. Unity in betrayal.
And the price of that betrayal? Trillions upon trillions... I frankly don't give a single damn what else you do or have done... All that matters is the fiscal doom you have brought so near. A literal fiscal tsunami with a wave a thousand feet tall.
That is what betrayal brings. And then you have the sheer hubris to demand that I let you do it some more, and call it surrender when I won't.
Screw that.
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Democrats got that covered. Imposing strict party discipline they virtually own big city governments, and managed to elect socialists and near socialists across large segments of the country.
To change the party’s direction republicans should impose party discipline and work within the primary system, re @Mesaclone ’s 80/20 point. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, individualism is strong in the republican base so broad coalitions that have common agreement on ultimate goals have to dominate the party if we ever hope to reclaim our republican (capital R) government.
We gotta fight fire with fire and impose strong party discipline; starting at the top with leadership.
Absolutely agreed, within the context of what, in fact that discipline imposes.
No doubt you can predict what I would suggest. :laugh:
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All of that just to call those who don't go along purist? Lengthy post just so you could blame others for what Trump is doing to himself. Trump is not and has never been Conservative. He was a Democrat until 2012. He said he was going to have a different party. A workers party. His party is Trump party of populism. He doesn't say a word he doesn't think will give him votes and its risky business trying to please everyone.
Compromise is where we are today. Anarchy.
That's right.
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He has governed as a rock ribbed conservative on the vast majority of issues.
Whatever that means... *****rollingeyes*****
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Ahh... Thanks right off the bat, @Mesaclone , for showing yourself to be so petty as to pointedly refuse to ping me to to the argument, either by actual ping or by the built in quotation system. . As with other things said herein, you prove yourself more than willing to discard standards and mores.
So thanks again for the sophomoric slight. It stands perfectly as a shining standard of the Tump campaign.
Typically liberal thought... The fetid voice of indefinition. The destruction of standards. As with liberal Christianity, which has bent the words of Yeshua and what they mean to the point that they can mean anything at all, this thought pretty well leaves Conservatism to be anything anyone wants it to be. I reject that outright.
No dear Mesaclone, there is only ONE truth. and with Conservatism, like Christianity, those approaching orthodoxy are closest to understanding... Because to them the origin of the thing is precious. They do not dare to bend the meaning.
And therein lies confusion. You describe a political vehicle, not immovable truth. You describe the Republican party, truly replacing principle things, Conservatism, with political expedience. Certainly you can compromise within a political vehicle. That is what it is for... But in the meaning of things, in the definition of truth, compromise is called corruption. Truly.
In fact, that which works is timeless. A principle thing is always true. In that there is no substitution, and there can be no compromise. There is only law. Those essentials just ARE. You may as well claim the ability to mess with gravity or thermodynamics.
And the problem for you in this context is that those principles are the thing that bind us to form unity and drive that political vehicle you hold so dear... Without those things, the unorthodox creep in, and soon enough the principle things apparently dissolve in the caricature that becomes the 'reality' instead. That is the 'reality' to which you refer... A caricature that vaguely resembles the real thing, in just the same way a liberal church resembles Christianity.
No in fact, it is not, and that is precisely the point.
Having sullied the definition of Conservatism to mean just about anything at all, It becomes nothing but a patch without rockers. But it is the rockers that define the patch - That provide authenticity. The patch has no value without the rockers, and is in fact, counterfeit. Again, a caricature. An empty vessel.
That is in fact the doom of the Conservative cause in the way you would go. Hollowed out and meaningless. In every way that same liberal church, devoid of value. Corruption and caricature. To the point that most people on this site could not define Conservatism by the numbers... Could not cite the principles they claim.
You misstate Reagan, leaving out the resolve to never again let liberalism infect the party. And with your malformed definition of what Conservatism even IS, who the hell can say what is conservative versus moderate or progressive? It's whatever you like it to be, as malleable as the Republican party desires. You preach an empty doctrine. A blank sheet. And it is why the liberals are winning.
You have no cause.
In the first place, by the Conservative way of thinking, Federal meddling in education is unconstitutional. Y'all ain't fighting for that, and never will. Just like every other Conservative principle that has seen no gain and only erosion across the length of my life. Not a single win. None. Bupkis. Take the niggling little bits thrown by the clown at the front of the parade. In thirty more years you'll still be preaching the same damn thing and still nothing to show for it.
And to the contrary, if every conservative had the wherewithal of purpose, and pulled their children out of the school system, the system would necessarily collapse. And it is not surrender to do what I can. In fact that means far more - the battle at the local level - than at the federal level. And that describes the failure of your party and your cause more than anything else... Describing independence and individualism as surrender.
You are progressivism. You just don't know it.
It is pure and simple. Conservatism in all its reach is well defined. And as it touches politics, it is also well defined. It stands upon pillars of truth. Principle things. Named things that contain meaning.
Those well defined things are what provide the impetus for your political vehicle. It's unity and structure are found therein. There is plenty of room for compromise beyond those pillars. But pillars have a purpose. You should think of what they do before you so blithely knock them down.
Liberalism is winning. Not by it's merit. It holds no merit. It is winning because it has no opposition. That opposition is found in those very pillars you seek to destroy.
And it isn't merely a narrow definition. It is the very marrow of the thing, and the basis of coalition.
That coalition no longer exists in the Republican party, because the Republican party does not provide service, and really never has... And it shows. With more than 60% of the country espousing conservatism, you can't hardly win an election... barely ekeing out a paltry win... In the meantime, the non-voting have become the biggest bloc of all. The disaffected. And the Republicans have been hemorrhaging members for decades. Where do you think they are going? PSST! They're going where I am.
You have it all wrong. The customer is always right, and your Republican big tent barely can pay to keep the lights on. You demand I buy your product - A product that I do not like, and in fact, cannot stand. It is vomit to me. Flatulence. Yet somehow you think I owe it to you. That you have a right to shove it down my throat and make me buy it... And then have the unmitigated gall to blame ME when I walk away and you can't keep the lights on.
The failure is not coming, it is here... That is not my fault. I am right here where I have always been. Fighting for exactly the same things I have always fought for. To lean on Reagan: I didn't leave the Republican party. The Republican party left me.
And it is pointless to support you. You suggest there is unity, for instance, in throwing fiscal conservatism under the bus... That I BETRAY my oath to my fellows made all those years ago.
LISTEN to that. Unity in betrayal.
And the price of that betrayal? Trillions upon trillions... I frankly don't give a single damn what else you do or have done... All that matters is the fiscal doom you have brought so near. A literal fiscal tsunami with a wave a thousand feet tall.
That is what betrayal brings. And then you have the sheer hubris to demand that I let you do it some more, and call it surrender when I won't.
Screw that.
Excellent, excellent post. The argument they have would say that our Constitution too some time could be outdated. Once that is lost we are lost. And it is the same thing with Christianity. When you compromise to be accepting of what is not true then you have lost the meaning and purpose of Christ and His sacrifice on the Cross.
Compromise kills Conservatism. It can no longer exist when there are no pillars, only the truth you make up yourself to become more appetizing.
And right now they call liberalism the evil but we are becoming more and more like them. Not long and there will be no difference at all. Already in just a few short year lines are blurred and there is no set principle. Anything, anything is up for compromise.
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Democrats got that covered. Imposing strict party discipline they virtually own big city governments, and managed to elect socialists and near socialists across large segments of the country.
To change the party’s direction republicans should impose party discipline and work within the primary system, re @Mesaclone ’s 80/20 point. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, individualism is strong in the republican base so broad coalitions that have common agreement on ultimate goals have to dominate the party if we ever hope to reclaim our republican (capital R) government.
We gotta fight fire with fire and impose strong party discipline; starting at the top with leadership.
The problem is that without principle, there is nothing required to be one of those Republican voices but to say you are one. Enough of that, and anyone who wants to veer the party away from conservative principle need only infiltrate and speak up. They only need to differ on this or that, minor points, really, but... and as the Party morphs to include them and their minor deviations from principle, eventually it is headed in a different direction entirely. Such is the long game, and time grows short while that game has been played for decades.
Without that compass of principles, the Party will remain, not merely veer, but remain, off course and ever veering more in the wrong direction.
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The problem is that without principle, there is nothing required to be one of those Republican voices but to say you are one. Enough of that, and anyone who wants to veer the party away from conservative principle need only infiltrate and speak up. They only need to differ on this or that, minor points, really, but... and as the Party morphs to include them and their minor deviations from principle, eventually it is headed in a different direction entirely. Such is the long game, and time grows short while that game has been played for decades.
Without that compass of principles, the Party will remain, not merely veer, but remain, off course and ever veering more in the wrong direction.
Then shoehorn conservative principles into a party platform that reflects a consensus of all the coalitions. Because without political power, conservative principles look nice on a placard behind your desk, and fine as practiced in your life and in your church or synagogue and between lodge members and with the bank teller.
But in Washington, as a guiding hand in crafting legislation? Without compromise nothing will get done. Half your fellow Americans (the lunatic half) want nothing to do with it. They want unicorns and a green new deal and crackers mowing their lawns, oh, and blue eyed Swedish chambermaids.
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Then shoehorn conservative principles into a party platform that reflects a consensus of all the coalitions. Because without political power, conservative principles look nice on a placard behind your desk, and fine as practiced in your life and in your church or synagogue and between lodge members and with the bank teller.
But in Washington, as a guiding hand in crafting legislation? Without compromise nothing will get done. Half your fellow Americans (the lunatic half) want nothing to do with it. They want unicorns and a green new deal and crackers mowing their lawns, oh, and blue eyed Swedish chambermaids.
Then learn a little about horsetrading. You don't start negotiating with what you want, because you will never get it, especially in an environment based on compromise. Time to get "far right" so you can negotiate down to where you want to be, and then repeat the process. It is exactly what the left has done with their agenda for 60 years.
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Then learn a little about horsetrading. You don't start negotiating with what you want, because you will never get it, especially in an environment based on compromise. Time to get "far right" so you can negotiate down to where you want to be, and then repeat the process. It is exactly what the left has done with their agenda for 60 years.
That's a bare fact, right there.
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Excellent, excellent post. The argument they have would say that our Constitution too some time could be outdated. Once that is lost we are lost. And it is the same thing with Christianity. When you compromise to be accepting of what is not true then you have lost the meaning and purpose of Christ and His sacrifice on the Cross.
Compromise kills Conservatism. It can no longer exist when there are no pillars, only the truth you make up yourself to become more appetizing.
And right now they call liberalism the evil but we are becoming more and more like them. Not long and there will be no difference at all. Already in just a few short year lines are blurred and there is no set principle. Anything, anything is up for compromise.
That is exactly how I see it... We have been on the slippery slope for far too long.
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Then learn a little about horsetrading. You don't start negotiating with what you want, because you will never get it, especially in an environment based on compromise. Time to get "far right" so you can negotiate down to where you want to be, and then repeat the process. It is exactly what the left has done with their agenda for 60 years.
Yes, good point. You don’t walk in from the middle in negotiations. The problem is the Washington establishment culture; it’s all negotiable for a price, and that price is usually giving in on principles for pork (no offense to my Jewish friends).
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Yes, good point. You don’t walk in from the middle in negotiations. The problem is the Washington establishment culture; it’s all negotiable for a price, and that price is usually giving in on principles for pork (no offense to my Jewish friends).
That's pert of the problem, selling us down the river for votes bought with our money.
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That's pert of the problem, selling us down the river for votes bought with our money.
Honest question. Do you think Trump does that? And I am just asking. I know you are honest.
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Honest question. Do you think Trump does that? And I am just asking. I know you are honest.
The money to buy votes is proposed and passed in Congress. Trump can only veto or sign a Bill, he doesn't write them. His actions often have economic import far beyond the bills he signs, and those have often been favorable for working people, and definitely so for the oil industry. Considering that has helped Americans reach a situation where the average price of gasoline has come down from a high of $4 per gallon in 2008 to $2 dollar a gallon less, partly because of clearing the way to complete pipelines to move crude oil. Did that buy votes? I don't see it that way, I see an economy stimulated by lower costs, in everything.
I see the COVID mess as a crisis seized upon to damage a man in an election year, with there being the salient question of why Democrat-run areas seem hardest hit, by far and away. His actions seemed reasonable in light of the information he was given, unfortunately that information was often (intentionally?) flawed, and it seems difficult to not notice the connections between some special interests that might have provided motive to provide flawed information (something still occurring).
No, in a nutshell, while the Congress has been shamelessly pandering with our dollars, and while certain elected officials and appointees seem to be acting at odds to the peace, dignity, and well-being of their respective jurisdictions, I do not see him buying votes with our money. I see him taking care of some issues as best he can without the full cooperation of Congress and those who are highly ranked in the Federal bureaucracy, and while that necessitates expenditures, that money should have been spent (and more) to take care of those issues long ago. Kicking that can down the road will only lead to greater expense.
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Then learn a little about horsetrading. You don't start negotiating with what you want, because you will never get it, especially in an environment based on compromise. Time to get "far right" so you can negotiate down to where you want to be, and then repeat the process. It is exactly what the left has done with their agenda for 60 years.
And it's exactly how President Trump negotiates.
As Casey Stengel once said..."...you can look that up!"
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Disagree here. Images of troops cracking skulls in an American city will only hurt Trump in the election. Trump is better off using his bully pulpit and waiting for the inevitable crack up of this movement. Unless lives are in imminent danger. Then the gloves gotta come off.
The movement is already turning on itself! The BLM faction is wondering where the $millions$ donated has gone, 'cause they aren't seeing any. Wait until they find out that it's going to Democrat campaigns via ActBlue pac.
Now they can't agree on what to call their kingdom. CHAZ? CHOP?
Some are ticked because the ptb have let the homeless in and they took all the food!
The vegetarians are whining about not having veggie-meat and soy!
Then the black brigade are demanding that the whites in their faction must stay in the rear of the line. They also state that every white person has to give a black $10.
Now they're growing their own food. Bloomberg inspired, no doubt: dig a hole, put a seed in it and cover it up with dirt. Add water" - why it's so simple, a moron can do it.
But, that's just he beginning of it. Now segregation reigns. Whites are not allowed to share the garden, they must make a garden of their own.
This is hilarious! :2popcorn:
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Quote from: Chosen Daughter on June 14, 2020, 03:27:31 PM
@Chosen Daughter
All of that just to call those who don't go along purist? Lengthy post just so you could blame others for what Trump is doing to himself. Trump is not and has never been Conservative. He was a Democrat until 2012. He said he was going to have a different party. A workers party. His party is Trump party of populism. He doesn't say a word he doesn't think will give him votes and its risky business trying to please everyone.
Compromise is where we are today. Anarchy.
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@roamer_1
That's right.
Right????? You are both religious loons so full of crap you have it dripping out your ears.
America is NOT a freaking dictatorship,religious,or any other kind.
Neither one of you are stupid,so that only leaves one possibility,and that is BOTH of you are purposely lying in order to try to promote and force your dogmatic religious POV's on the rest of us.
No thanks. A police state by any other name is still a police state.
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Then learn a little about horsetrading. You don't start negotiating with what you want, because you will never get it, especially in an environment based on compromise. Time to get "far right" so you can negotiate down to where you want to be, and then repeat the process. It is exactly what the left has done with their agenda for 60 years.
Spot freaking on.
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Right????? You are both religious loons so full of crap you have it dripping out your ears.
America is NOT a freaking dictatorship,religious,or any other kind.
Neither one of you are stupid,so that only leaves one possibility,and that is BOTH of you are purposely lying in order to try to promote and force your dogmatic religious POV's on the rest of us.
No thanks. A police state by any other name is still a police state.
@sneakypete
Keep throwing poo and making absurd charges.
You gotta do what you're good at. happy77
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The movement is already turning on itself! The BLM faction is wondering where the $millions$ donated has gone, 'cause they aren't seeing any. Wait until they find out that it's going to Democrat campaigns via ActBlue pac.
Now they can't agree on what to call their kingdom. CHAZ? CHOP?
Some are ticked because the ptb have let the homeless in and they took all the food!
The vegetarians are whining about not having veggie-meat and soy!
Then the black brigade are demanding that the whites in their faction must stay in the rear of the line. They also state that every white person has to give a black $10.
Now they're growing their own food. Bloomberg inspired, no doubt: dig a hole, put a seed in it and cover it up with dirt. Add water" - why it's so simple, a moron can do it.
But, that's just he beginning of it. Now segregation reigns. Whites are not allowed to share the garden, they must make a garden of their own.
This is hilarious! :2popcorn:
I hope they can go without until those tomatoes ripen.
We need a undercover journalist on the inside who's willing to make a mockumentary when this finally ends.
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I hope they can go without until those tomatoes ripen.
We need a undercover journalist on the inside who's willing to make a mockumentary when this finally ends.
Glenn Beck was talking to someone on the air this morning that has been inside the zone for a while. I was not able to catch all of it, but supposedly another reporter got beat up pretty good last night.
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OAN’s Jack Posobiec spends three days in The CHAZ, exposes ongoing lies
The journalist and activist had a "field source" feeding him video from Seattle's Antifa-occupied territories. As it turned out, the source was him.
by JD Rucker June 15, 2020
The “warlord†of Seattle’s Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ), also known as the Capitol Hill Occupied Protest (CHOP), knew he had someone filming his exploits Sunday night and early Monday morning. Raz Simone, the Seattle rapper whose gun-toting group of “security†officers comb the streets of The CHAZ at night, kept seeing videos popping up on his phone of his team’s activities. There was a “field source†that had infiltrated The CHAZ who was sharing unflattering videos of the happenings in the anarcho-communist six-block section of Seattle to One America News reporter Jack Posobiec, but the warlord couldn’t identify who it was.
As it turned out, it was Posobiec himself. He and a fellow undercover journalist have been living in The CHAZ since Friday, documenting everything mainstream media refuses to report. According to mainstream media, there are no armed security people patrolling the streets or shaking down anyone they believe gets out of line. Posobiec revealed there actually are such security measures that include armed Antifa members to go along with Simone’s crew.
According to mainstream media, The CHAZ is more like a version of Coachella with live music and street art, a truly festive atmosphere. As Posobiec reported, this is mostly true… during the day when mainstream media’s cameras are rolling. At night, it’s completely different story. But at night, the narrative is difficult to capture because anyone with a camera out is instantly mobbed by people asking questions and attempting to block off filming. Like Democrats and mainstream media, many living in The CHAZ do not want the truth getting out.
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https://noqreport.com/2020/06/15/oans-jack-posobiec-spends-three-days-in-the-chaz-exposes-ongoing-lies/ (https://noqreport.com/2020/06/15/oans-jack-posobiec-spends-three-days-in-the-chaz-exposes-ongoing-lies/)
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Trump would be well advised to forget CHAZ. Let the city or state handle this mess.
What Trump should do is begin an admanant effort to end federal presence in the Seattle area. Redshirt all positions that become open. Combine offices with those in Tacoma or elsewhere, and make the idiots of Seattle travel for federal services.
Slowly, begin tapering federal funds to the Seattle region. Nothing like cutting the financial cord to get them smart.
I know too many in the Seattle area, and they are all uber liberals. End the party for them.
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Why Seattle?
Because 'protesters' have run rampant there before.
https://content.lib.washington.edu/wtoweb/index.html (https://content.lib.washington.edu/wtoweb/index.html)