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Trump claims thousands had to be rescued after going 'out in their boats to watch' Hurricane Harvey
By Jacqueline Thomsen - 06/06/18 10:46 PM EDT
President Trump claimed Tuesday that people had to be rescued during Hurricane Harvey last year after they “went out in their boats to watch the hurricane.â€
Trump made the comments at a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) briefing on the upcoming hurricane season, praising the Coast Guard’s efforts during last year’s storm in Texas.
"They saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is," Trump said of the Coast Guard. "People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out too well."
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391116-trump-claims-thousands-had-to-be-rescued-after-going-out-in-their (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/391116-trump-claims-thousands-had-to-be-rescued-after-going-out-in-their)
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People do it.
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*****rollingeyes*****
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Killer waves, dude.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IydBcGTZzH4#)
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People do it.
Insurance fraud on maryjane.
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*****rollingeyes*****
Is that good or is that bad?
:happyny:
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Is that good or is that bad?
:happyny:
Oh, you know...
10144
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Oh, you know...
10144
No. I don't. You guys with the rolling eyes shit has me confused and scared.
***suicide***
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***menorah
To both of you.
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***menorah
To both of you.
Candlelight Dinner?
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Candlelight Dinner?
Of course. I like it when everyone gets along and there's peace amongst all members.
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Of course. I like it when everyone gets along and there's peace amongst all members.
Oh yeah. I know you do. Peace, love and harmony are your middle names. *****rollingeyes*****
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Oh yeah. I know you do. Peace, love and harmony are your middle names. *****rollingeyes*****
Oh baby, I know you know I love the eyeroll, but don't overuse it. You're cheapening it and by extension, us.
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Oh baby, I know you know I love the eyeroll, but don't overuse it. You're cheapening it and by extension, us.
Are you shitting me? You two dizzy broads use that damn eye roll 50 times a day. I'm convinced that the emoji is sending some sort of secret code that only you two know.
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:beer: to both of you.
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:whocares:
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Insurance fraud on maryjane.
@corbe
If you've never seen a major storm come ashore it is an awesome spectacle. Up to the part where you die.
Still many people who live around the see are used to it and feel like they know how to handle it. In many cases being out to sea during these storms is safer then being on the coast.
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:whocares:
@Wingnut
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"People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out too well."
Uhhh.....
Not exactly.
In fact, not at all.
It didn't happen.
Boats in the flood water, going through neighborhoods, were there to pull people out.
Why?
The coast guard, or any other government entity, couldn't get enough people there to do it.
They didn't have the time or the resources.
If anybody can find me just one instance of someone out there in a boat, just "watching the hurricane", send it my way.
This has made a lot of noise here, and rightly so.
These are disparaging remarks, minimizing the role that 100's, perhaps 1000's, played in getting their fellow citizens, and in most cases, complete strangers, to safety.
Unless he's talking about some fool out in the Gulf on a boat trying to ride it out, I don't like this statement, not one bit.
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"People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out too well."
Uhhh.....
Not exactly.
In fact, not at all.
It didn't happen.
Boats in the flood water, going through neighborhoods, were there to pull people out.
Why?
The coast guard, or any other government entity, couldn't get enough people there to do it.
They didn't have the time or the resources.
If anybody can find me just one instance of someone out there in a boat, just "watching the hurricane", send it my way.
This has made a lot of noise here, and rightly so.
These are disparaging remarks, minimizing the role that 100's, perhaps 1000's, played in getting their fellow citizens, and in most cases, complete strangers, to safety.
Unless he's talking about some fool out in the Gulf on a boat trying to ride it out, I don't like this statement, not one bit.
Of course it didn't happen. Every time Trump says something off the cuff he makes himself sound like an idiot. But that's not the point, y'all Texans are some dumbasses who had to be rescued by the government. Oh, and Trump is God.
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people had to be rescued during Hurricane Harvey last year after they “went out in their boats to watch the hurricane.â€
Quite a slap in the face to all that pitched in and helped.
Government agencies rescued 60,049 residents in Harris County, most of them from their homes, and 32,000 to 34,000 evacuees stayed in 65 temporary shelters. Civilian volunteers rescued tens of thousands more.
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Of course it didn't happen. Every time Trump says something off the cuff he makes himself sound like an idiot. But that's not the point, y'all Texans are some dumbasses who had to be rescued by the government. Oh, and Trump is God.
@RoosGirl
Yep, can get out of our own way, LOL.
Now, we all know Trump says things like this.
If he was talking about people in boats offshore, trying to ride it out, he would have a valid point.
I like that.
Of course, he doesn't make his statements clear enough.
If he was talking about the rescue efforts by the citizens, he's wrong.
I do not like that.
I think that 16,000 coast guard rescues seems like an awfully high number.
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By Special to The News Herald
Posted Sep 8, 2017 at 8:00 AM http://www.newsherald.com/news/20170908/coast-guard-totals-11022-harvey-rescues (http://www.newsherald.com/news/20170908/coast-guard-totals-11022-harvey-rescues)
NEW ORLEANS — The Coast Guard announced Thursday it has completed its search and rescue operations in response to Hurricane Harvey but continues to work alongside the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and other federal, state and local partners to address pollution concerns as a result of the storm.
During their response to Hurricane Harvey, the Coast Guard rescued 11,022 people and 1,384 pets.
Involved in the response were 2,060 active duty, Reserve, civil servant and Auxiliary personnel; 50 rotary and fixed-wing aircraft; 75 shallow-water boats; and 29 cutters.
Of the 2,519 Coast Guard members who live in the impacted areas in Texas, 51 suffered catastrophic property loss and 124 others reported property damage.
“The Coast Guard’s response to Hurricane Harvey is one of the largest our organization has seen in decades, and men and women from the furthest reaches of our service answered the call to assist others in their time of need,†said Rear Adm. Paul Thomas, commander of the Coast Guard 8th District. “I’m incredibly proud and humbled by the resiliency of our first responders who were deeply impacted but continued to work around the clock to save more than 11,000 people in a matter of days.â€
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It is not uncommon for commercial fishermen and large ship operators to take larger craft out to sea instead of leaving them docked during a hurricane. It is less risk of damage. At that, during some bad storms, the Coast Guard will often order large craft out to sea. I doubt a lot of these just went out to watch the storm.
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By Special to The News Herald
Posted Sep 8, 2017 at 8:00 AM http://www.newsherald.com/news/20170908/coast-guard-totals-11022-harvey-rescues (http://www.newsherald.com/news/20170908/coast-guard-totals-11022-harvey-rescues)
NEW ORLEANS — The Coast Guard announced Thursday it has completed its search and rescue operations in response to Hurricane Harvey but continues to work alongside the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and other federal, state and local partners to address pollution concerns as a result of the storm.
During their response to Hurricane Harvey, the Coast Guard rescued 11,022 people and 1,384 pets.
Involved in the response were 2,060 active duty, Reserve, civil servant and Auxiliary personnel; 50 rotary and fixed-wing aircraft; 75 shallow-water boats; and 29 cutters.
Of the 2,519 Coast Guard members who live in the impacted areas in Texas, 51 suffered catastrophic property loss and 124 others reported property damage.
“The Coast Guard’s response to Hurricane Harvey is one of the largest our organization has seen in decades, and men and women from the furthest reaches of our service answered the call to assist others in their time of need,†said Rear Adm. Paul Thomas, commander of the Coast Guard 8th District. “I’m incredibly proud and humbled by the resiliency of our first responders who were deeply impacted but continued to work around the clock to save more than 11,000 people in a matter of days.â€
So then another 5000 unrelated to Harvey throughout the rest of the year. I guess that seems like a reasonable enough number. I think the issue is the claim that so many people were rescue because they went out in their boats to watch the hurricane.
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...I think that 16,000 coast guard rescues seems like an awfully high number.
Coast Guard Completes Search and Rescue Operations in Response to Harvey
http://www.wkrg.com/news/national/coast-guard-completes-search-and-rescue-operations-in-response-to-harvey/867859645 (http://www.wkrg.com/news/national/coast-guard-completes-search-and-rescue-operations-in-response-to-harvey/867859645)
Sep 07, 2017
..."The Coast Guard's response to Hurricane Harvey is one of the largest our organization has seen in decades, and men and women from the furthest reaches of our service answered the call to assist others in their time of need," said Rear Adm. Paul Thomas, commander of the Coast Guard 8th District. "I'm incredibly proud and humbled by the resiliency of our first responders who were deeply impacted but continued to work around the clock to save more than 11,000 people in a matter of days."...
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Some more Coast Guard rescues in 2017:
Admiral Schultz had commanded the Coast Guard’s Atlantic area and last year oversaw the fleet’s response to Hurricanes Irma, Maria and Harvey. The service rescued nearly 12,000 people along the East Coast and in Puerto Rico and the United States Virgin Islands during the deadly 2017 hurricane season.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/us/politics/coast-guard-commandant-schultz-.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/01/us/politics/coast-guard-commandant-schultz-.html)
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FTA:
President Trump claimed Tuesday that people had to be rescued during Hurricane Harvey last year after they “went out in their boats to watch the hurricane.â€
Trump made the comments at a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) briefing on the upcoming hurricane season while praising the Coast Guard’s efforts during last year’s storm in Texas.
"They saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is," Trump said of the Coast Guard. "People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out too well."
Disjointed quotes, likely out of context (haven’t we learned our lesson yet? Enemedia whores have an agenda with these hair-on-fire stories).
Fake news again. And the usual suspects jump whenever the media says jump. Predictable.
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It is not uncommon for commercial fishermen and large ship operators to take larger craft out to sea instead of leaving them docked during a hurricane. It is less risk of damage. At that, during some bad storms, the Coast Guard will often order large craft out to sea. I doubt a lot of these just went out to watch the storm.
This is true, larger ships will indeed do this.
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FTA:
Disjointed quotes, likely out of context (haven’t we learned our lesson yet? Enemedia whores have an agenda with these hair-on-fire stories).
Fake news again. And the usual suspects jump whenever the media says jump. Predictable.
Bullshit. Did you watch the video? I did. They're not disjointed quotes at all. It's exactly what he said. It just seems disjointed because he speaks like a fool.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-harvey/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-harvey/index.html)
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FTA:
Disjointed quotes, likely out of context (haven’t we learned our lesson yet? Enemedia whores have an agenda with these hair-on-fire stories).
Fake news again. And the usual suspects jump whenever the media says jump. Predictable.
Well, I did see the comment made on our local news, and it didn't seem cut up, but you never know if they played it in it's entirety.
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Bullshit. Did you watch the video? I did. They're not disjointed quotes at all. It's exactly what he said. It just seems disjointed because he speaks like a fool.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-harvey/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-harvey/index.html)
You forget, I understand Trumpese. You on the other hand, simply go after him with an agenda, which coincidentally mirrors the media’s.
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You forget, I understand Trumpese. You on the other hand, simply go after him with an agenda, which coincidentally mirrors the media’s.
First the media was making up fake news, taking quotes out of order to make Trump looks stupid. Now it's my fault he looks stupid because I pay attention to what he's actually said. I can't imagine why some Trump supporters here get so much shit for being "AlwaysTrump".
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You forget, I understand Trumpese. You on the other hand, simply go after him with an agenda, which coincidentally mirrors the media’s.
@aligncare
The media sets the agenda, the left and the NT follow it lockstep. Because like good marketing it tells them what they want to hear. Not necessarily the truth.
Of course you could argue that the left sets the medias agenda but lets not quibble
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@aligncare
The media sets the agenda, the left and the NT follow it lockstep. Because like good marketing it tells them what they want to hear. Not necessarily the truth.
Of course you could argue that the left sets the medias agenda but lets not quibble
So the video is wrong then? It's been doctored?
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So the video is wrong then? It's been doctored?
@RoosGirl
Well hey the media says its right so it must be. Continue on following your leader.
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@RoosGirl
Well hey the media says its right so it must be. Continue on following your leader.
I posted a link to the video of the conference call. The quote is exactly what Trump said. Watch the video. Come back and tell me that it's been doctored. Y'all are just wrong about this.
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I'm glad we have a Fourth estate to protect us from Trump's statements that mean nothing.
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I'm glad we have a Fourth estate to protect us from Trump's statements that mean nothing.
Yes, exactly. That’s the point, to create as much doubt (noise) about Trump everyday. So, they take every utterance as a daily opportunity to post breathless headlines, knowing most people won’t bother to dissect the narrative. And that includes his detractors here that like to vent at TBR.
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@aligncare
The media sets the agenda, the left and the NT follow it lockstep. Because like good marketing it tells them what they want to hear. Not necessarily the truth.
Of course you could argue that the left sets the medias agenda but lets not quibble
It seems Trump is setting the agenda with his constant exagerrations, lies, and 'truthful hyperbole'. Aren't we always being told he is playing the media brilliantly through nth degree chess. If so, it isn't the media leading this agenda.
The thing is, it wouldnt be an issue if he were an honest person who took measure of his words and deeds.
Truth matters, character matters.
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Yes, exactly. That’s the point, to create as much doubt (noise) about Trump everyday. So, they take every utterance as a daily opportunity to post breathless headlines, knowing most people won’t bother to dissect the narrative. And that includes his detractors here that like to vent at TBR.
I know, it's so inconvenient when your guy says something stupid. Especially when it happens so frequently. It's much easier to just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen. Now, who exactly should I be listening to that can tell me what the important stuff is and what the stuff I can ignore is?
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I posted a link to the video of the conference call. The quote is exactly what Trump said. Watch the video. Come back and tell me that it's been doctored. Y'all are just wrong about this.
They are. Regardless of his message or viewpoint, his manner and style of speaking is as you say - disjointed.
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First the media was making up fake news, taking quotes out of order to make Trump looks stupid. Now it's my fault he looks stupid because I pay attention to what he's actually said. I can't imagine why some Trump supporters here get so much shit for being "AlwaysTrump".
Funny also how we are always being told that Trump is always playing and controlling the media, nth degree chess and all that.....
....right up to the point the lies are called out, then he is just a poor victim of the reporting...
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It seems Trump is setting the agenda with his constant exagerrations, lies, and 'truthful hyperbole'. Aren't we always being told he is playing the media brilliantly through nth degree chess. If so, it isn't the media leading this agenda.
The thing is, it wouldnt be an issue if he were an honest person who took measure of his words and deeds.
Truth matters, character matters.
It's like the jobs numbers. They're really improving. So why "lie" by using the same numbers that were previously fake?
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I posted a link to the video of the conference call. The quote is exactly what Trump said. Watch the video. Come back and tell me that it's been doctored. Y'all are just wrong about this.
@RoosGirl
People misspeak each and every day. yet you are fixated on every single word Trump says. You sit around waiting for him to say something stupid and then explode in gyrations of ecstasy over another opportunity to proclaim your superiority over anyone foolish or dimwitted enough to support the President.
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They are. Regardless of his message or viewpoint, his manner and style of speaking is as you say - disjointed.
As long as his actions on policy are conservative, I don’t care how he plays the media with his comments, whether intentional, exaggerated, or simply part of his speech pattern.
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As long as his actions on policy are conservative, I don’t care how he plays the media with his comments, whether intentional, exaggerated, or simply part of his speech pattern.
I can accept that, ac.
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I posted a link to the video of the conference call. The quote is exactly what Trump said. Watch the video. Come back and tell me that it's been doctored. Y'all are just wrong about this.
Saying it's been doctored, or you don't understand is much easier than trying to absorb and make sense of what he's saying.
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Not speaking for anyone else, I never said anything about a doctored video.
The headline and tone of the story is enough to make my point. The media have an agenda, a mission. Make up breathless headlines, leave an impression, then move on. The doubt is set.
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@RoosGirl
People misspeak each and every day. yet you are fixated on every single word Trump says. You sit around waiting for him to say something stupid and then explode in gyrations of ecstasy over another opportunity to proclaim your superiority over anyone foolish or dimwitted enough to support the President.
That's not what happens at all, but you go on with your bad self. I'm enjoying *your* gyrations on trying to explain why he didn't say what he said. He didn't "misspeak", he was just making shit up. Hilarious. Again, this is why Trump supporters here get so much shit about being "AlwaysTrump".
PS I love that this is my fault
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PS I love that this is my fault
Soooohhh... it's been you all along...
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As long as his actions on policy are conservative, I don’t care how he plays the media with his comments, whether intentional, exaggerated, or simply part of his speech pattern.
That's fine, but then say that. Not some nonsense about this being "fake news" because the article obviously is pasting quotes together that don't belong.
Not speaking for anyone else, I never said anything about a doctored video.
The headline and tone of the story is enough to make my point. The media have an agenda, a mission. Make up breathless headlines, leave an impression, then move on. The doubt is set.
No, you just claimed the article was wrong because they had pasted together quotes that Trump hadn't said.
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Soooohhh... it's been you all along...
:smokin:
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Saying it's been doctored, or you don't understand is much easier than trying to absorb and make sense of what he's saying.
Truth.
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That's not what happens at all, but you go on with your bad self. I'm enjoying *your* gyrations on trying to explain why he didn't say what he said. He didn't "misspeak", he was just making shit up. Hilarious. Again, this is why Trump supporters here get so much shit about being "AlwaysTrump".
PS I love that this is my fault
@RoosGirl
Never said he didn't misspeak. I said people misspeak all the time.
Your life is defined by his mistakes. Thats really strange
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Candlelight Dinner?
That's a temple menorah. The type used in at home would have nine lamps so, as they say in Flatbush, she's two lamps short of a menorah.
@RoosGirl
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You forget, I understand Trumpese. You on the other hand, simply go after him with an agenda, which coincidentally mirrors the media’s.
Get the flock out of here. Roos is one of the hardest of the hard core Trumpists on the forum. She has no agenda. She is just setting the record straight.
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@RoosGirl
Never said he didn't misspeak. I said people misspeak all the time.
Your life is defined by his mistakes. Thats really strange
No no, you misunderstand me! My life is defined by relishing the explanations from ATs on how Trump didn't do what he actually just did, whatever that thing may be.
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Get the flock out of here. Roos is one of the hardest of the hard core Trumpists on the forum. She has no agenda. She is just setting the record straight.
Thank you for defending me. I even said upthread "Trump is God." How much clearer could I be?
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That's a temple menorah. The type used in at home would have nine lamps so, as they say in Flatbush, she's two lamps short of a menorah.
@RoosGirl
LOL I wondered if anyone else that read this thread would notice that.
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No no, you misunderstand me! My life is defined by relishing the explanations from ATs on how Trump didn't do what he actually just did, whatever that thing may be.
@RoosGirl
Keep trying, perhaps you'll get someone to believe it.
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Get the flock out of here. Roos is one of the hardest of the hard core Trumpists on the forum. She has no agenda. She is just setting the record straight.
I concur. Wrong target this time.
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I concur. Wrong target this time.
This time. :silly:
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Thank you for defending me. I even said upthread "Trump is God." How much clearer could I be?
I'm here to set the record straight for records being straightened.
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He really should be more careful. No reason to piss off those who don't need to be pissed off. Hurricane Harvey was a record setting storm, both in terms of rainfall and damage done. Texans and our neighbors in Louisiana reacted magnificently and did a great job of rescuing, cleaning up and rebuilding. We don't need anyone going off half cocked and saying stupid and untrue stuff.
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That's fine, but then say that. Not some nonsense about this being "fake news" because the article obviously is pasting quotes together that don't belong.
No, you just claimed the article was wrong because they had pasted together quotes that Trump hadn't said.
Apparently, you never tire of being wrong.
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Apparently, you never tire of being wrong.
I do get tired of it, very quickly. Today ain't the day.
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@RoosGirl
Keep trying, perhaps you'll get someone to believe it.
dd... roos is making a valid observation. I believe it despite attempts to deflect it. President Trump often speaks in a disjointed, simple and poorly constructed style. It was especially so at the FEMA session. It is plainly and honestly true.
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FWIW...
https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-remarks-fema-hurricane-briefing-june-6-2018
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FWIW...
https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-remarks-fema-hurricane-briefing-june-6-2018
Who are you trying to fool? That's a fake transcript.
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Who are you trying to fool? That's a fake transcript.
Apparently, I can't fool anyone.
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Apparently, I can't fool anyone.
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I read the story. The quote was treated as a run-on sentence in the deceitful headline.
First sentence: “They saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is," Trump said of the Coast Guard.†[period].
Next sentence: "People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out too well."
First sentence was probably an exaggeration (though we don’t know what figures he was privy to and was using).
The second sentence was not subordinate to the first, it was a second thought, an anecdote. In Trump’s way of speaking the two weren’t connected.
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But that's not the point, y'all Texans are some dumbasses who had to be rescued by the government.
Such B.S.! In case you missed it, Texans got out there by the 1000s to help other Texans. Louisianans pitched in as well ... and Texans returned the favor. My cousin was one 100s that used their own boats to go out daily in the Houston area helping survivors.
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Such B.S.! In case you missed it, Texans got out there by the 1000s to help other Texans. Louisianans pitched in as well ... and Texans returned the favor. My cousin was one 100s that used their own boats to go out daily in the Houston area helping survivors.
Yeah, well you wouldn't have had to gone out and saved people if you didn't build a city in a swamp.
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Yeah, well you wouldn't have had to gone out and saved people if you didn't build a city in a swamp.
Ever been to Houston?
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dd... roos is making a valid observation. I believe it despite attempts to deflect it. President Trump often speaks in a disjointed, simple and poorly constructed style. It was especially so at the FEMA session. It is plainly and honestly true.
@Lando Lincoln
Sure he does. What I can't figure out is why people still get in a tizzy over it.
Seriously
They've found organic compounds on Mars but people would rather talk about Trump misspeaking, something he does just about every day.
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Ever been to Houston?
I spent a week there one rush hour.
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Ever been to Houston?
Nah.....my boats in the shop.
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I spent a week there one rush hour.
Sounds more like Austin.
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I spent a week there one rush hour.
:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
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Of course. I like it when everyone gets along and there's peace amongst all members.
But, but but, @RoosGirl I thought you're purpose in life was to piss off @Frank Cannon at least once
a day? FYI, that is a good thing and you are very talented.
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LOL I wondered if anyone else that read this thread would notice that.
I noticed the number candles seemed off, but I didn't want to put my ignorance on full display (today).
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Bullshit. Did you watch the video? I did. They're not disjointed quotes at all. It's exactly what he said. It just seems disjointed because he speaks like a fool.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-harvey/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/07/politics/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-harvey/index.html)
Trump says stupid things all the time, no big deal, since he usually gets the policy right.
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Such B.S.! In case you missed it, Texans got out there by the 1000s to help other Texans. Louisianans pitched in as well ... and Texans returned the favor. My cousin was one 100s that used their own boats to go out daily in the Houston area helping survivors.
Yer new here ain'tcha? So I'll help you out this time. That was sarcasm. Everyone but you knew that, but now you do too so all is well with the world.
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In Trump’s way of speaking [. . .]
I think we should mandate the use of English in government.
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Apparently, I can't fool anyone.
"You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. But you can't
fool all of the people all of the time."
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Yer new here ain'tcha? So I'll help you out this time. That was sarcasm. Everyone but you knew that, but now you do too so all is well with the world.
Don't be going off on a tangent and running off the newer members. Besides He knows sarcasm. He laughed at my one liner. You need to work on your delivery. Now skedaddle . Let the men work
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Trump says stupid things all the time, no big deal, since he usually gets the policy right.
The problem really wasn't that he said something wrong (again). The problem was he said something wrong, we were kinda discussing what was the wrong part of it, and then big mouth tries telling us the article made it all up, things were taken out of context, sentences were added out of order, I'm picking on Trump, you name it.
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Don't be going off on a tangent and running off the newer members. Besides He knows sarcasm. He laughed at my one liner. You need to work on your delivery. Now skedaddle . Let the men work
Uh oh...
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Don't be going off on a tangent and running off the newer members. Besides He knows sarcasm. He laughed at my one liner. You need to work on your delivery. Now skedaddle . Let the men work
Each
And every
Day i have to tell you the same thing.
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Each
And every
Day i have to tell you the same thing.
Don't use that language around her youn lady! Your aren't to big for me to put over my knee!
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I think we should mandate the use of English in government.
Can't. Arizona tried that, and the Ninth Circus threw it out (SCOTUS refused to hear the case).
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Don't use that language around her youn lady! Your aren't to big for me to put over my knee!
Sure, if you coukd catch me, old fart.
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Sure, if you coukd catch me, old fart.
I'll hop on my bike and spot you 20 yards whippersnapper.
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I'll hop on my bike and spot you 20 yards whippersnapper.
I prefer swimming. I'll even refrain from shaving my legs so I'm less aquadynamic. :smokin:
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I prefer swimming. I'll even refrain from shaving my legs so I'm less aquadynamic. :smokin:
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Yer new here ain'tcha? So I'll help you out this time. That was sarcasm. Everyone but you knew that, but now you do too so all is well with the world.
Not new ... just don't spend much time here. Carry on, then. :beer:
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Don't be going off on a tangent and running off the newer members. Besides He knows sarcasm. He laughed at my one liner. You need to work on your delivery. Now skedaddle . Let the men work
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Not new ... just don't spend much time here. Carry on, then. :beer:
Also, your avatar picture is a little blurry. You may consider fixing that. ^-^
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Yeah, well you wouldn't have had to gone out and saved people if you didn't build a city in a swamp.
This part is true.
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Also, your avatar picture is a little blurry. You may consider fixing that. ^-^
It's "Artsy."
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I saw what I saw and I heard what I heard, and as a Houston area native, it rubbed me the wrong way.
Still, I know he says stuff that isn't all there, all the time, so I'll just repeat what I'd said earlier (with one additions):
Now, we all know Trump says things like this.
If he was talking about people in boats offshore, trying to ride it out, he would have a valid point. (exception being larger ships will ride out storms in open waters, rather than docked, as it can be safer and cause less damage).
I like that.
Of course, he doesn't make his statements clear enough.
If he was talking about the rescue efforts by the citizens, he's wrong.
I do not like that
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I prefer swimming. I'll even refrain from shaving my legs so I'm less aquadynamic. :smokin:
Disclamer. This is not Roos. Mearly an artistic representation of how shaving can make you "aero" and or Aqua ....
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5FPTKNkN90#)
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A lot of brouha about nothing.
Trump made a statement that said that some of those who got into harm's way were spectators. No doubt about it. It always happens, whether a traffic accident or some weather phenomena.
Was it prudent to say this? No. Was it a stretch to say 'thousands'? Likely.
So somebody give the punch line here.
That Trump is a jerk? Maybe.
That people should not be stupid and place themselves in harm's way? Absolutely.
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Disclamer. This is not Roos. Mearly an artistic representation of how shaving can make you "aero" and or Aqua ....
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5FPTKNkN90#)
I was just hoping to gross you out enough that you wouldn't chase me. I don't want a whippin.
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A lot of brouha about nothing.
Trump made a statement that said that some of those who got into harm's way were spectators. No doubt about it. It always happens, whether a traffic accident or some weather phenomena.
Was it prudent to say this? No. Was it a stretch to say 'thousands'? Likely.
So somebody give the punch line here.
That Trump is a jerk? Maybe.
That people should not be stupid and place themselves in harm's way? Absolutely.
No, that is not what Trump said.
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I was just hoping to gross you out enough that you wouldn't chase me. I don't want a whippin.
Whatever bloats your float! :cool:
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Fine, so he says "the Coast Guard rescued 16,000 people, most from Texas, who for whatever reason, were in their bots watching the hurricane. It didn't work out so well."
And, everyone here says no big deal, right?
Just Trump being Trump, okay?
I say, the man who is always hollering "fake news" just engaged in it, with this statement.
But, hey, MAGA, SCOTUS, economy, etc.....
He wrong here, and I am calling him out.
I'm sure he'll fix it.
In the next 72 hours, after he talks to Senator Cruz and others, this story will change.
He'll come out and say he didn't mean the brave men and women,etc.....
SSDD.
It gets tiring.
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Whatever bloats your float! :cool:
Ugh, Gatorade does that to me.
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"People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out too well."
Uhhh.....
Not exactly.
In fact, not at all.
It didn't happen.
Boats in the flood water, going through neighborhoods, were there to pull people out.
Why?
The coast guard, or any other government entity, couldn't get enough people there to do it.
They didn't have the time or the resources.
If anybody can find me just one instance of someone out there in a boat, just "watching the hurricane", send it my way.
This has made a lot of noise here, and rightly so.
These are disparaging remarks, minimizing the role that 100's, perhaps 1000's, played in getting their fellow citizens, and in most cases, complete strangers, to safety.
Unless he's talking about some fool out in the Gulf on a boat trying to ride it out, I don't like this statement, not one bit.
As one who got to participate in Harvey...... I sure wish this POTUS could go one week without saying something stupid.
Boats????? Geeeeeez.......
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The thing is, it wouldnt be an issue if he were an honest person who took measure of his words and deeds.
Truth matters, character matters.
FACT.
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As one who got to participate in Harvey...... I sure wish this POTUS could go one week without saying something stupid.
Boats????? Geeeeeez.......
I wished he'd have gone through the same week we all did.
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I wish we could go a week without the media covering every single minute thing Trump says. Isn't there any real news out there?
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I wish we could go a week without the media covering every single minute thing Trump says. Isn't there any real news out there?
Naw, he's okay with it.
He's been in a fishbowl most of his life.
He likes it.
He wants it.
He isn't naive enough to not know what he was getting into.
He just doesn't care.
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I wish we could go a week without the media covering every single minute thing Trump says. Isn't there any real news out there?
There's a lot of Trump-free news posted here. Thankfully. ^-^
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I wished he'd have gone through the same week we all did.
@GrouchoTex
Well, not to diminish what all y'all went through...
But to watch not only Texas, but the whole South and much of the Desert SW descend with every sort of duck boat and john boat, and air boat and, and, and... THAT friend, was a thing of beauty.
There's a vid out there somewhere of mile after mile of pickups with boat trailers riding in with the rain still coming down.
Chokes me up just thinking about that.
That's still the story as far as I am concerned.
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I wish we could go a week without the media covering every single minute thing Trump says. Isn't there any real news out there?
There is a market for it, unfortunately. As we can see.
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@GrouchoTex
Well, not to diminish what all y'all went through...
But to watch not only Texas, but the whole South and much of the Desert SW descend with every sort of duck boat and john boat, and air boat and, and, and... THAT friend, was a thing of beauty.
There's a vid out there somewhere of mile after mile of pickups with boat trailers riding in with the rain still coming down.
Chokes me up just thinking about that.
That's still the story as far as I am concerned.
And, that's why this particular Trumpism really gets to us.
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@GrouchoTex
Well, not to diminish what all y'all went through...
But to watch not only Texas, but the whole South and much of the Desert SW descend with every sort of duck boat and john boat, and air boat and, and, and... THAT friend, was a thing of beauty.
There's a vid out there somewhere of mile after mile of pickups with boat trailers riding in with the rain still coming down.
Chokes me up just thinking about that.
That's still the story as far as I am concerned.
Pretty amazing.
I heard this week that someone is putting out a book about it all soon, that has first hand accounts, etc.
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And, that's why this particular Trumpism really gets to us.
Exactly.
This one hits a little close to home.
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And, that's why this particular Trumpism really gets to us.
That's right.
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Pretty amazing.
I heard this week that someone is putting out a book about it all soon, that has first hand accounts, etc.
My cuz couldn't go... but some of his friends did... all the way from Colorado, mind you...
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Pretty amazing.
I heard this week that someone is putting out a book about it all soon, that has first hand accounts, etc.
There's the Houston Chronicle book
https://www.pediment.com/products/hurricane-harvey-by-the-houston-chronicle-hardcover-book (https://www.pediment.com/products/hurricane-harvey-by-the-houston-chronicle-hardcover-book)
The Houston Chronicle is proud to present "Hurricane Harvey: by the staff of the Houston Chronicle," a hardcover book that captures Harvey's wide-reaching devastation and Houston's indomitable spirit.
This 200-page book will feature breathtaking photos and compelling stories from the award-winning staff of the Houston Chronicle. A portion of the proceeds from this book will go to help those impacted by the hurricane in Houston and across the Texas Gulf Coast, donating to the Greater Houston Community Foundation Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund and Rebuild Texas Fund.
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There's the Houston Chronicle book
https://www.pediment.com/products/hurricane-harvey-by-the-houston-chronicle-hardcover-book (https://www.pediment.com/products/hurricane-harvey-by-the-houston-chronicle-hardcover-book)
The Houston Chronicle is proud to present "Hurricane Harvey: by the staff of the Houston Chronicle," a hardcover book that captures Harvey's wide-reaching devastation and Houston's indomitable spirit.
This 200-page book will feature breathtaking photos and compelling stories from the award-winning staff of the Houston Chronicle. A portion of the proceeds from this book will go to help those impacted by the hurricane in Houston and across the Texas Gulf Coast, donating to the Greater Houston Community Foundation Hurricane Harvey Relief Fund and Rebuild Texas Fund.
Could be this.
I heard it on KTRH.
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I wished he'd have gone through the same week we all did.
I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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My cuz couldn't go... but some of his friends did... all the way from Colorado, mind you...
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I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Fair enough, you're right about that.
I'm just frustrated by it..
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No, that is not what Trump said.
So those going out to watch the hurricane were not spectators?
Then what were they?
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So those going out to watch the hurricane were not spectators?
Then what were they?
Newscasters
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So those going out to watch the hurricane were not spectators?
Then what were they?
Who are you talking about?
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Also, your avatar picture is a little blurry. You may consider fixing that. ^-^
Looks perfectly fine to me. Maybe you should cut back on the drinking. :silly:
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It's "Artsy."
It's artsy Legos.
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Who are you talking about?
Was in answer to this comment
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,319255.msg1705312.html#msg1705312 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,319255.msg1705312.html#msg1705312)
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Newscasters
No one went out to watch the hurricane but newscasters?
That is a first for weather disasters.
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Was in answer to this comment
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,319255.msg1705312.html#msg1705312 (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,319255.msg1705312.html#msg1705312)
"Saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is. People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well."
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"Saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is. People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well."
What exactly is your point?
I made mine in my post already, and all I got from you was something like "that is not what Trump said".
Point out what in my post that is erroneous.
Here it is again in its entirety.
A lot of brouha about nothing.
Trump made a statement that said that some of those who got into harm's way were spectators. No doubt about it. It always happens, whether a traffic accident or some weather phenomena.
Was it prudent to say this? No. Was it a stretch to say 'thousands'? Likely.
So somebody give the punch line here.
That Trump is a jerk? Maybe.
That people should not be stupid and place themselves in harm's way? Absolutely.
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What exactly is your point?
I made mine in my post already, and all I got from you was something like "that is not what Trump said".
Point out what in my post that is erroneous.
Here it is again in its entirety.
I take issue with the "some". That's not what he said. It might have been what he meant, but I'm not going to try to guess what he meant, I'm going to go by what he actually said.
"Saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is. People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well."
So let's break down what he said:
Saved 16,000 people last year,
Many of them in Texas, Agreed, looks like there were about 14,000 rescues just in Texas.
for whatever reason that is. As though he doesn't understand why the bulk of rescues were in Texas.
People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. He didn't say "Some of those people", he said "People", just prior to indicating he didn't understand why there were 14,000 rescues in Texas.
That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well.
If he didn't mean what he said he should think about what he's saying before he says it.
Someone suggested previously that the sentence structure was more like: Saved 16,000 people last year, many of them in Texas. For whatever reason that is, people went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out to well.
But that does not make sense. Any one of us would say "For whatever reason, people went out in their boats to watch the hurricane." They wouldn't add the "that is".
Put the whole statement together and I can understand why Texans would be annoyed with the way what Trump actually said comes across. Add to that Coasties saying they have no data on people rescued from boats because they went out to watch the hurricane and this is just more dumb shit that Trump made up unnecessarily.
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I take issue with the "some". That's not what he said. It might have been what he meant, but I'm not going to try to guess what he meant, I'm going to go by what he actually said.
"Saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is. People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well."
So let's break down what he said:
Saved 16,000 people last year,
Many of them in Texas, Agreed, looks like there were about 14,000 rescues just in Texas.
for whatever reason that is. As though he doesn't understand why the bulk of rescues were in Texas.
People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. He didn't say "Some of those people", he said "People", just prior to indicating he didn't understand why there were 14,000 rescues in Texas.
That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well.
If he didn't mean what he said he should think about what he's saying before he says it.
Someone suggested previously that the sentence structure was more like: Saved 16,000 people last year, many of them in Texas. For whatever reason that is, people went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn't work out to well.
But that does not make sense. Any one of us would say "For whatever reason, people went out in their boats to watch the hurricane." They wouldn't add the "that is".
Put the whole statement together and I can understand why Texans would be annoyed with the way what Trump actually said comes across. Add to that Coasties saying they have no data on people rescued from boats because they went out to watch the hurricane and this is just more dumb shit that Trump made up unnecessarily.
Lots of brouha about nothing. I saw nothing in the comments which precipitate such a response.
Some people have agendas it appears.
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Lots of brouha about nothing. I saw nothing in the comments which precipitate such a response.
Some people have agendas it appears.
Going through natural disasters tends to make people more sensitive to callous remarks. Trump should have kept is trap shut.
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Lots of brouha about nothing. I saw nothing in the comments which precipitate such a response.
Some people have agendas it appears.
The "brouha" in part comes from people trying to say that Trump didn't say what he said.
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It has already been well-established..... that Trump says (and tweets) stupid things. His tendency to exaggerate and emit hyperbole on even minor issues is a given. It has also been well-established....
that the leftist idiots and the never-Trumpers will point and laugh at ANYTHING Trump says or tweets... even while ignoring any good things he has accomplished for the nation.
Ho effing hum.
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The "brouha" in part comes from people trying to say that Trump didn't say what he said.
I know several dozen families who lost their homes and all its contents to Harvey. They became local refugees who had to find lodging with friends and families, and are still struggling to rebuild their lives.
Ironic thing, is this is Trump Country. Saying dumb callous things sure isn't helping his base.
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Lots of brouha about nothing. I saw nothing in the comments which precipitate such a response.
Some people have agendas it appears.
Hurricane Harvey wasn't exactly nothing, and saying stupid and insulting things about the people who went through it isn't nothing.
And, newsflash: all people have agendas.
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Hurricane Harvey wasn't exactly nothing, and saying stupid and insulting things about the people who went through it isn't nothing.
And, newsflash: all people have agendas.
I never said the hurricane was nothing. Where did that come from?
And I already said he was out of line with the statement and may have proved him to be a jerk. What more are you itching for? Blasphemy?
Yes, those on NTS indeed have agendas.
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I never said the hurricane was nothing. Where did that come from?
And I already said he was out of line with the statement and may have proved him to be a jerk. What more are you itching for? Blasphemy?
Yes, those on NTS indeed have agendas.
NTS?
No, I said ALL people have agendas. Pretending otherwise makes you seem disingenuous and clearly agenda-driven.
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@RoosGirl
Conroe, TX.. Montgomery County, meets up with Harris County (Houston) county line going north up Hwy. 45. Conroe was declared a disaster area - whole subdivisions covered in water. I knew the townhouse I have there must have flooded. I have a man who checks on my house and when he could get to Conroe, he called me and the townhouse did not flood. It is in the one hundred yr. flood designation, but I bought flood insurance after this happened - that one hundred yr. flood designation is bound to change after this terrible flood.
I am apprehensive about this year's hurricane season and it has started. The worst hurricane floods, in Texas, tend to happen in late August, Sept./Oct., after the gulf coast water is heated up by summer temps.
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@RoosGirl
Conroe, TX.. Montgomery County, meets up with Harris County (Houston) county line going north up Hwy. 45. Conroe was declared a disaster area - whole subdivisions covered in water. I knew the townhouse I have there must have flooded. I have a man who checks on my house and when he could get to Conroe, he called me and the townhouse did not flood. It is in the one hundred yr. flood designation, but I bought flood insurance after this happened - that one hundred yr. flood designation is bound to change after this terrible flood.
I am apprehensive about this year's hurricane season and it has started. The worst hurricane floods, in Texas, tend to happen in late August, Sept./Oct., after the gulf coast water is heated up by summer temps.
I think by now most urban and suburban areas have been pretty well modeled to fairly accurately know what the 100 year flood elevation is. Harvey was much more than a hundred year storm, if I had to guess probably a thousand year or more. The chances of y'all be hit with another storm like that in even our great-grandchildrens' lifetime is extremely low. And if your place didn't flood in that storm then you should be pretty darn safe from it ever flooding.
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The "brouha" in part comes from people trying to say that Trump didn't say what he said.
Never try to parse the words of an inarticulate speaker. One never gets anywhere, and it annoys the audience.
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I think by now most urban and suburban areas have been pretty well modeled to fairly accurately know what the 100 year flood elevation is.
I don't believe most of the area has been updated in the flood plain elevation over a couple decades. While levers and retainage ponds have changed the borders, the elevation is often not recalculated.
In my case, multiple flood control lakes have been built upstream but the impact on the river is unchanged in over 4 decades.
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I don't believe most of the area has been updated in the flood plain elevation over a couple decades. While levers and retainage ponds have changed the borders, the elevation is often not recalculated.
In my case, multiple flood control lakes have been built upstream but the impact on the river is unchanged in over 4 decades.
It's slow, but there is a process in place by FEMA that requests municipalities update the flood maps in their region. I dont recall how often they try to do it. Are you sure that whatever "improvements" have been made just haven't significantly affected the flood area? Really, the flood elevation stays the same, just certain areas may be removed if compensating storage is provided elsewhere.
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It's slow, but there is a process in place by FEMA that requests municipalities update the flood maps in their region. I dont recall how often they try to do it. Are you sure that whatever "improvements" have been made just haven't significantly affected the flood area? Really, the flood elevation stays the same, just certain areas may be removed if compensating storage is provided elsewhere.
Seems to me wide variations in actual rainfall would somewhat invalidate the models. A location could get one inch of rain over a given time, and another location a couple miles away could get many inches of rainfall in that same period of time.
You are the Civil Engineer here, not I, so I defer to your understanding of this.
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@GrouchoTex
Well, not to diminish what all y'all went through...
But to watch not only Texas, but the whole South and much of the Desert SW descend with every sort of duck boat and john boat, and air boat and, and, and... THAT friend, was a thing of beauty.
There's a vid out there somewhere of mile after mile of pickups with boat trailers riding in with the rain still coming down.
Chokes me up just thinking about that.
That's still the story as far as I am concerned.
@roamer_1 It had the same effect on me...and still does.
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@roamer_1 It had the same effect on me...and still does.
And, me too.
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It's slow, but there is a process in place by FEMA that requests municipalities update the flood maps in their region. I dont recall how often they try to do it. Are you sure that whatever "improvements" have been made just haven't significantly affected the flood area? Really, the flood elevation stays the same, just certain areas may be removed if compensating storage is provided elsewhere.
Improvements such as levees and retainage ponds get shown. But I have found searching through Houston area FEMA maps the flood elevation doesn't seem to change over the decades.
I'm concerned there is a reluctance to identify a home previously in or out of the flood plain as changed.
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Improvements such as levees and retainage ponds get shown. But I have found searching through Houston area FEMA maps the flood elevation doesn't seem to change over the decades.
I'm concerned there is a reluctance to identify a home previously in or out of the flood plain as changed.
You'd think the insurance companies would be pushing for some accuracy.
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Seems to me wide variations in actual rainfall would somewhat invalidate the models. A location could get one inch of rain over a given time, and another location a couple miles away could get many inches of rainfall in that same period of time.
You are the Civil Engineer here, not I, so I defer to your understanding of this.
They start by doing regional models based on elevations and then define drainage basins. The rainfall amounts are based on compiled long term data. Then run the models for a variety of 100 year storms with differing durations. For example, a 100-year 2-hour storm will have less rainfall inches than a 100-year 240-hour storm, but the conditions might be just right that the intensity of the 2 hour storm cause the stage of standing water to be higher than the 240 hour storm. Usually not, but we check just to make sure, particularly in a closed basin such as one that may include a lake with no outfall to a river or the ocean, just as an example.
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Improvements such as levees and retainage ponds get shown. But I have found searching through Houston area FEMA maps the flood elevation doesn't seem to change over the decades.
I'm concerned there is a reluctance to identify a home previously in or out of the flood plain as changed.
Yeah, like I said, those elevations really don't change. My experience is that locations are removed because of fill placed there to raise it above the flood elevation, but only when some compensating storage is provided elsewhere tbat is directly connected to the flood zone. Because if you fill in a portion of a flood zone that will cause the flood elevation to rise and FEMA and the permitting agencies won't allow you to affect other areas. That typically means building a pond or using other land adjacent to the flood zone and digging out some area.
But, I don't have any experience with levees and dams to say how those are modeled. Though I do think FEMA is invested in making their maps as accurate as they can.
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You'd think the insurance companies would be pushing for some accuracy.
They are certainly the prime financial stakeholders in this....
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> Do you live in a floodplain? https://www.hcfcd.org/flooding-floodplains/floodplain-management/ (https://www.hcfcd.org/flooding-floodplains/floodplain-management/)
Floodplain management is defined as a decision making process that aims to achieve the wise use of the Nation's floodplains. Floodplain management aims to achieve a reduction in the loss of life, disruption, and damage cause by floods; and the preservation and restoration of the natural resources and functions of floodplains (which, in turn, lessen damage potential). To achieve the goals of floodplain management, the nation must adopt a new approach- one that takes full advantage of all methods available to reduce vulnerabilities to damages and, in parallel, to protect and enhance the natural resources and functions of the floodplain. This approach would achieve floodplain management through: avoiding the risks of the floodplain, minimizing the impacts of those risks when they cannot be avoided; mitigating the impacts of damages when they occur; and accomplishing the above in a manner that concurrently protects and enhances the natural environment.
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I wasn't low enough in Houston so I moved to Nawlins.
Got out before Katrina, now I'm in the Texas Hill Country (866 msl). Harvey hit us hard.
Houston's problem has always been drainage, Barkers Reservoir, withstanding.
Concrete/Asphalt 620 sq miles of swamp land and let me know how that works out.
Big Yellow Taxi - Joni Mitchell
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Not all of us livin' along the bayou or have us a piece of "Bottom Land" live in a swamp.
A swamp is an area of land permanently saturated, or filled, with water. Many swamps are even covered by water. There are two main types of swamps: freshwater swamps and saltwater swamps.
Swamps are dominated by trees. They are often named for the type of trees that grow in them, such as cypress swamps or hardwood swamps. Freshwater swamps are commonly found inland, while saltwater swamps are usually found along coastal areas. Swamps are transition areas. They are neither totally land nor totally water.
Swamps exist in many kinds of climates and on every continent except Antarctica. They vary in size from isolated prairie potholes to huge coastal salt marshes. Some swamps are flooded woodlands. Some are former lakes or ponds overtaken by trees and shrubs.
Freshwater Swamps
Freshwater swamps form around lakes and streams. Rain and seasonal flooding cause water levels to fluctuate. In the wet soil, water-tolerant vegetation grows and helps maintain a moist, swampy condition.
In many freshwater swamps in the southeastern United States, cypress and tupelo trees grow. Spanish moss may hang from the branches, and tiny plants called duckweed may cover the waters surface. Shrubs and bushes may grow beneath the trees. Sometimes poking as much as 4 meters (13 feet) above the water are angular knobs called cypress knees. They are outgrowths of the trees' root systems.
Alligators, frogs, and many other animals live in these swamps. These animals are adapted to fluctuating water levels. The shadowy tree root system and cypress knobs provide a rich, sheltered habitat for nesting birds, as well as fish, amphibians and reptiles.
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Yeah, like I said, those elevations really don't change. My experience is that locations are removed because of fill placed there to raise it above the flood elevation, but only when some compensating storage is provided elsewhere tbat is directly connected to the flood zone. Because if you fill in a portion of a flood zone that will cause the flood elevation to rise and FEMA and the permitting agencies won't allow you to affect other areas. That typically means building a pond or using other land adjacent to the flood zone and digging out some area.
But, I don't have any experience with levees and dams to say how those are modeled. Though I do think FEMA is invested in making their maps as accurate as they can.
Also, when they don't maintain the needed dredging, it slows the outflow and has to impact the speed water gets out and not build up during flood conditions.
http://thefacts.com/free_share/article_7d87bf33-8bf3-52ed-93c0-11ea4f6125f1.html (http://thefacts.com/free_share/article_7d87bf33-8bf3-52ed-93c0-11ea4f6125f1.html)
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When I bought my house, I discovered it was in the 100 yr flood plain and I was required to get flood insurance. I knew it had never flooded, it was only 3 miles from where I grew up and had several friends that lived in that neighborhood. About the time I had paid it off, abt 19 yrs later, the flood maps had been updated and I was no longer in the 100 year zone. I dropped flood insurance, and several tropical storms and hurricanes later, I have never flooded.
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Yeah, like I said, those elevations really don't change. My experience is that locations are removed because of fill placed there to raise it above the flood elevation, but only when some compensating storage is provided elsewhere tbat is directly connected to the flood zone. Because if you fill in a portion of a flood zone that will cause the flood elevation to rise and FEMA and the permitting agencies won't allow you to affect other areas. That typically means building a pond or using other land adjacent to the flood zone and digging out some area.
But, I don't have any experience with levees and dams to say how those are modeled. Though I do think FEMA is invested in making their maps as accurate as they can.
Don't forget about subsidence.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Brownwood-The-suburb-that-sank-by-the-Ship-4379765.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Brownwood-The-suburb-that-sank-by-the-Ship-4379765.php)
Brownwood: The suburb that sank by the Ship Channel
According to the U.S. Geological Survey, between 1943 and 1973, roughly 4,700 square miles of land southeast of downtown Houston, chiefly Baytown and Pasadena, dropped by at least 6 inches. The area near the Ship Channel sank around 9 feet, and an estimated 100 acres of the San Jacinto Battleground - about a quarter of the original historic park's acreage - disappeared underwater.
What was happening? In the late '60s, hydrologist Robert Gabrysch, with the U.S. Geological Survey, began explaining to neighborhood groups, Rotary Clubs and anyone else who'd listen. Our area's gooey land, a clay-ey gumbo, lacks the firmness of bedrock or even sand. And as water-hungry industries pumped enormous quantities of groundwater out of that land, he explained, the land compacted. Subsidence, the process is called.
"It happened slowly," Mason tells me, the same as he tells the ninth-graders, as we hiked through Baytown Nature Center's tall trees. "Nobody noticed at first. But those incremental changes added up. Pretty soon people's houses started flooding - not just in hurricanes, but in regular storms, and even windy days and high tides."
Some of Brownwood's houses sank into the bay. Others, merely flood-prone, were rented to shaggy young people willing to cope with the occasional inundation. Residents kept their appliances atop concrete blocks or tables, and stowed important papers on the second or third floor. They watched the weather, and could pack and flee at a moment's notice. And they learned that when wading through floodwaters, it's best to avoid snakes and floating balls of fire ants.
"They built levees," Mason says. "They bought pumps. And look around."
Not a house survives.
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Remember that about 1/3 of Holland is below sea level. They do a great job of keeping the sea out of Holland.
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Remember that about 1/3 of Holland is below sea level. They do a great job of keeping the sea out of Holland.
They have a lot of dykes.
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Remember that about 1/3 of Holland is below sea level. They do a great job of keeping the sea out of Holland.
I wouldn't think that their extratropical cyclones are as strong and as frequent as all our tropical storms and hurricanes.
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I wouldn't think that their extratropical cyclones are as strong and as frequent as all our tropical storms and hurricanes.
I don't know, but they do get serious Atlantic storms, and frequent heavy rain.
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They have a lot of dykes.
Maybe that’s Houston’s problem; all the Texas dykes are in Austin.
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Maybe that’s Houston’s problem; all the Texas dykes are in Austin.
OK, O, you earned this one: *****rollingeyes***** :silly:
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Remember that about 1/3 of Holland is below sea level. They do a great job of keeping the sea out of Holland.
"Give me a lever and a firm place to stand and I can move the world."
I don't think Houston has a firm place to stand, Holland may be different in that regard.
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"Give me a lever and a firm place to stand and I can move the world."
I don't think Houston has a firm place to stand, Holland may be different in that regard.
Well....Holland has Europe, Houston has Texas. :shrug:
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"Give me a lever and a firm place to stand and I can move the world."
I don't think Houston has a firm place to stand, Holland may be different in that regard.
So I can see who won't stand with us.
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So I can see who won't stand with us.
You must be making a joke.
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Well....Holland has Europe, Houston has Texas. :shrug:
The article about the sinking Suburb a few posts up says that place was built on clay, not a very firm place to stand.
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Maybe that’s Houston’s problem; all the Texas dykes are in Austin.
I like it when you play ball! I lobbed a fat one and BOOM!
Nice!
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NTS?
No, I said ALL people have agendas. Pretending otherwise makes you seem disingenuous and clearly agenda-driven.
Pretending otherwise and disingenuous is what the headline is doing to Trump's words.
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Pretending otherwise and disingenuous is what the headline is doing to Trump's words.
OK, we're so far from the original statement, I can't even follow you. You could be right, I just can't tell.
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OK, we're so far from the original statement, I can't even follow you. You could be right, I just can't tell.
Headline:
Trump claims thousands had to be rescued after going 'out in their boats to watch' Hurricane Harvey
What Trump said(from corbe):
"Saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is. People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well."
Being a former journalist, I call that journalistic malpractice.
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Headline:
Trump claims thousands had to be rescued after going 'out in their boats to watch' Hurricane Harvey
What Trump said(from corbe):
"Saved 16,000 people, many of them in Texas, for whatever reason that is. People went out in their boats to watch the hurricane. That didn’t work out too well. That didn’t work out too well."
Being a former journalist, I call that journalistic malpractice.
Fine, you're right. Which only leaves what he said as not understanding why people in Houston had to be rescued. *****rollingeyes*****
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You must be making a joke.
I couldn't resist.
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I couldn't resist.
:laugh:
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I like it when you play ball! I lobbed a fat one and BOOM!
Nice!
:thumbsup:
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Trump clueless about do-it-yourself ethos that makes Texas great
By John Daniel Davidson https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Trump-clueless-about-do-it-yourself-ethos-that-12977835.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Trump-clueless-about-do-it-yourself-ethos-that-12977835.php)
June 8, 2018
A reporter once asked Willie Nelson what it means to be an American, and Willie said, “America, to me, is freedom. I’m from Texas, and one of the reasons I like Texas is because there’s no one in control.â€
In his half-joking way, Willie captured something quintessential about Texas: We sort of just do things on our own, without asking permission. Sometimes that makes it seem like no one’s in control, but the flip side is that Texans tend to pitch-in during a crisis — like they did when Hurricane Harvey hit Houston last August and everyone within 150 miles who owned a boat showed up to help rescue those stranded by floodwaters.
With emergency services swamped, ordinary people stepped up, some them coming from as far away as San Antonio with nothing but a canoe strapped to a trailer. They rescued thousands of people, and the effort came to define Hurricane Harvey. It marked a moment of greatness for Texas.
More at link.
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Trump clueless about do-it-yourself ethos that makes Texas great
By John Daniel Davidson https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Trump-clueless-about-do-it-yourself-ethos-that-12977835.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Trump-clueless-about-do-it-yourself-ethos-that-12977835.php)
June 8, 2018
A reporter once asked Willie Nelson what it means to be an American, and Willie said, “America, to me, is freedom. I’m from Texas, and one of the reasons I like Texas is because there’s no one in control.â€
In his half-joking way, Willie captured something quintessential about Texas: We sort of just do things on our own, without asking permission. Sometimes that makes it seem like no one’s in control, but the flip side is that Texans tend to pitch-in during a crisis — like they did when Hurricane Harvey hit Houston last August and everyone within 150 miles who owned a boat showed up to help rescue those stranded by floodwaters.
With emergency services swamped, ordinary people stepped up, some them coming from as far away as San Antonio with nothing but a canoe strapped to a trailer. They rescued thousands of people, and the effort came to define Hurricane Harvey. It marked a moment of greatness for Texas.
More at link.
Good article, Elderberry, they get it.