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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: libertybele on July 19, 2019, 09:05:05 pm
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Arkancide? Murder of Arkansas Senator Linda Collins-Smith linked to Epstein pedophilia and sex trafficking scandal
New information is surfacing to suggest that the unsolved murder of Arkansas Senator Linda Collins-Smith may be connected to the public unveiling of pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and his child sex trafficking ring.
While the details are still forthcoming, CD Media is reporting that a “confidential source that has been accurate consistently†recently came forward with proof tying Collins-Smith’s mysterious death to her involvement with blowing the lid off an alleged child sex trafficking ring in Arkansas.
Collins-Smith, a Republican, had also been working to expose “massive corruption in the local and state government†in Arkansas, which suggests that she may have been “Arkancided†for getting a little bit too close to the truth.
According to CD Media‘s “confidential source,†the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is currently investigating this alleged link, which potentially also implicates Bill and Hillary Clinton, after which the term “Arkancide†was first coined.
Is it possible that Collins-Smith is simply the latest casualty of the “Clinton Body Count†phenomenon, in which individuals who are on the verge of blowing the lid on some Clinton crime suddenly end up “suicided?†It certainly is, and this would seem to be where the FBI probe could be headed.
As it turns out, Collins-Smith had been in the process of investigating corruption within her state’s Department of Human Services, or Child Protective Services, just prior to her death, which only adds to its suspicious circumstances..........
ttps://www.intellihub.com/arkancide-murder-of-arkansas-senator-linda-collins-smith-linked-to-epstein-pedophilia-and-sex-trafficking-scandal/
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It's an around strange story.
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I don't doubt this one bit. Have you ever wondered why Trump went soft on "lock her up" calls as soon as the election was over? I think there are many powerful people who were involved with the Epstein pedophile ring. I think that even our President is. There was a case against him in 2016 the rape of a 13 year old by Trump and Epstein. She backed down because of threats. But you can find the court papers on the internet.
And if you look for images of Epstein and Trump there are many. He partied with the guy. He was friends with the Clintons too. And he famously said that Epstein was a fun guy who loved women and many were on the young side.
Just saying. He was friends with him. None of my friends are pedophiles.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits (https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits)
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Never put anything beyond the Clintons. They have, can, and will do anything to protect themselves from the repercussions of their actions.
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I don't doubt this one bit. Have you ever wondered why Trump went soft on "lock her up" calls as soon as the election was over? I think there are many powerful people who were involved with the Epstein pedophile ring. I think that even our President is. There was a case against him in 2016 the rape of a 13 year old by Trump and Epstein. She backed down because of threats. But you can find the court papers on the internet.
And if you look for images of Epstein and Trump there are many. He partied with the guy. He was friends with the Clintons too. And he famously said that Epstein was a fun guy who loved women and many were on the young side.
Just saying. He was friends with him. None of my friends are pedophiles.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits (https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits)
I hear what you are saying. The past relationship between Epstein and Trump are indeed troubling. I for one, don't see Trump going after someone under age. My hunch is that he knew of Epstein role in the creation of the Clinton Global initiative and perhaps realized that there may be something else going on and decided to halt his relationship with Epstein.
I could be wrong but it seems that Trump severed the relationship with Epstein and Clinton around the same time; shorty after he and Melania married.
As for Bill and Hill; I believe they are both involved in sex trafficking and quite capable of silencing the AR Senator.
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I don't doubt this one bit. Have you ever wondered why Trump went soft on "lock her up" calls as soon as the election was over? I think there are many powerful people who were involved with the Epstein pedophile ring. I think that even our President is. There was a case against him in 2016 the rape of a 13 year old by Trump and Epstein. She backed down because of threats. But you can find the court papers on the internet.
And if you look for images of Epstein and Trump there are many. He partied with the guy. He was friends with the Clintons too. And he famously said that Epstein was a fun guy who loved women and many were on the young side.
Just saying. He was friends with him. None of my friends are pedophiles.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits (https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits)
@Chosen Daughter
Why the hell do you have to bring President Trump into the thread? WTF is wrong with you?
And how the hell do you know if any of your friends are pedophiles? Did you ask them all? /s
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I hear what you are saying. The past relationship between Epstein and Trump are indeed troubling. I for one, don't see Trump going after someone under age. My hunch is that he knew of Epstein role in the creation of the Clinton Global initiative and perhaps realized that there may be something else going on and decided to halt his relationship with Epstein.
I could be wrong but it seems that Trump severed the relationship with Epstein and Clinton around the same time; shorty after he and Melania married.
As for Bill and Hill; I believe they are both involved in sex trafficking and quite capable of silencing the AR Senator.
You don't? OK.
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@Chosen Daughter
Why the hell do you have to bring President Trump into the thread? WTF is wrong with you?
And how the hell do you know if any of your friends are pedophiles? Did you ask them all? /s
I don't know. In my brain all the people who were friends together is relevant.
Is that abnormal?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=young+frankenstein+abby+normal+scene&view=detail&mid=FE4D627C09F693A6BF70FE4D627C09F693A6BF70&FORM=VIRE (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=young+frankenstein+abby+normal+scene&view=detail&mid=FE4D627C09F693A6BF70FE4D627C09F693A6BF70&FORM=VIRE)
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I think that even our President is. There was a case against him in 2016 the rape of a 13 year old by Trump and Epstein. She backed down because of threats. But you can find the court papers on the internet.
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This is nothing but disproven trash, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting it. Sheer idiocy to keep seeing this crap here again and again.
*****rollingeyes*****
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This is nothing but disproven trash, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting it. Sheer idiocy to keep seeing this crap here again and again.
*****rollingeyes*****
I am not ashamed of myself at all. Yes, unproven, but she had a witness. She said she backed down because of threats. I guess we will never know. I fully admit that I didn't like Trump. I think he is a disgusting person. @libertybele didn't think he would like young girls. He was on the Howard Stern saying how he liked Brittany Spears because she was saying she was a virgin. He talked about his own daughter on the Howard Stern show like she was a piece of meat.
So we know he hung out with Epstein. There are plenty of images of him with Epstein. Whether he raped the girl or not he was at the Epstein parties. So just because Trump is the only alternative to the Socialist/Communists we aren't supposed to mention what a creep he is?
*****rollingeyes*****
Even his ex wife accused him of rape.
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I am not ashamed of myself at all. Yes, unproven, but she had a witness. She said she backed down because of threats. I guess we will never know. I fully admit that I didn't like Trump. I think he is a disgusting person. @libertybele didn't think he would like young girls. He was on the Howard Stern saying how he liked Brittany Spears because she was saying she was a virgin. He talked about his own daughter on the Howard Stern show like she was a piece of meat.
So we know he hung out with Epstein. There are plenty of images of him with Epstein. Whether he raped the girl or not he was at the Epstein parties. So just because Trump is the only alternative to the Socialist/Communists we aren't supposed to mention what a creep he is?
*****rollingeyes*****
Even his ex wife accused him of rape.
There was a long thread on this a few weeks back, and it was pretty decisively shown to be not true. That's why it's dangerous to repeat unproven rumors.
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There was a long thread on this a few weeks back, and it was pretty decisively shown to be not true. That's why it's dangerous to repeat unproven rumors.
I don't think that it can be proven he did or didn't without a trial. What we do know is that he had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. He attended parties with him etc, etc. So the media is reporting Clinton flying on the Lolita Express. Both the Clintons and Trumps have had friendships and attended things with Epstein. Lots of politicians are involved. Its gross. I guess its New York values. The right will report on the Clintons. The left will continue to report on Trumps ties. Not one of them has a moral high ground. And I can't imagine that Trump went to these things and hung out in the corner reading his Bible.
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I don't think that it can be proven he did or didn't without a trial. What we do know is that he had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. He attended parties with him etc, etc. So the media is reporting Clinton flying on the Lolita Express. Both the Clintons and Trumps have had friendships and attended things with Epstein. Lots of politicians are involved. Its gross. I guess its New York values. The right will report on the Clintons. The left will continue to report on Trumps ties. Not one of them has a moral high ground. And I can't imagine that Trump went to these things and hung out in the corner reading his Bible.
That's not the point; the point is repeating unsubstantiated rumor and gossip as facts.
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That's not the point; the point is repeating unsubstantiated rumor and gossip as facts.
That is not unsubstantiated rumor or gossip. You can see him in images on the internet with his friend. He went to the parties. And there are court documents on the rape. I have said the truth. The case was dropped because the woman said she was threatened. Nobody can prove or disprove. But it is a fact that he had a friendship with the pedophile and attended events with him.
And just so we are clear here FOX news is reporting on Clintons travels on Lolita Express. The reporting is hypocritical. All of them had contacts in Epstein's little black book. You would think if FOX didn't want to draw attention to Trumps "unsubstantiated" rape accusation they wouldn't be bringing this crap up every day. Because the left will want to draw attention to Trump and they have the mud to do it. And the right will draw attention to the Clintons and they also have the mud to do it.
And all it really does is draw attention to the ugly truth that both sides like pedophiles.
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That is not unsubstantiated rumor or gossip. You can see him in images on the internet with his friend. He went to the parties. And there are court documents on the rape. I have said the truth. The case was dropped because the woman said she was threatened. Nobody can prove or disprove. But it is a fact that he had a friendship with the pedophile and attended events with him.
And just so we are clear here FOX news is reporting on Clintons travels on Lolita Express. The reporting is hypocritical. All of them had contacts in Epstein's little black book. You would think if FOX didn't want to draw attention to Trumps "unsubstantiated" rape accusation they wouldn't be bringing this crap up every day. Because the left will want to draw attention to Trump and they have the mud to do it. And the right will draw attention to the Clintons and they also have the mud to do it.
And all it really does is draw attention to the ugly truth that both sides like pedophiles.
It's way too soon to be attempting to rewrite this bit of history. You said:
I am not ashamed of myself at all. Yes, unproven, but she had a witness. She said she backed down because of threats. I guess we will never know. I fully admit that I didn't like Trump. I think he is a disgusting person. @libertybele didn't think he would like young girls. He was on the Howard Stern saying how he liked Brittany Spears because she was saying she was a virgin. He talked about his own daughter on the Howard Stern show like she was a piece of meat.
If you want to hate on Trump that's fine, just don't let it blind you to the truth and maintaining your integrity. You really want to blow that over Trump?
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It's way too soon to be attempting to rewrite this bit of history. You said:
If you want to hate on Trump that's fine, just don't let it blind you to the truth and maintaining your integrity. You really want to blow that over Trump?
I am not worried about my integrity. It isn't me in those pictures with Epstein. I have stated the truth. What comes to my mind is a verse in Luke that talks about what is discussed in the dark is shouted from the rooftops. Nothing is hidden in this dark world.
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I am not worried about my integrity. It isn't me in those pictures with Epstein. I have stated the truth. What comes to my mind is a verse in Luke that talks about what is discussed in the dark is shouted from the rooftops. Nothing is hidden in this dark world.
OK, rewrite away then.
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OK, rewrite away then.
I thought about not even replying to this. You question my integrity. Saying it again. I haven't rewritten anything. Nothing I said is untrue. Trump partied with Epstein. He said Epstein was a fun guy that liked his girls on the young side. He was accused of rape. Court documents were filed accusing him of rape. The case was dropped. The woman cited threats to her life. This is what has happened. My integrity is fully in tact.
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I thought about not even replying to this. You question my integrity. Saying it again. I haven't rewritten anything. Nothing I said is untrue. Trump partied with Epstein. He said Epstein was a fun guy that liked his girls on the young side. He was accused of rape. Court documents were filed accusing him of rape. The case was dropped. The woman cited threats to her life. This is what has happened. My integrity is fully in tact.
Nope, not even close. You leave out all of the exculpatory information. But, that's fine, do as you wish.
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If you want to hate on Trump that's fine, just don't let it blind you to the truth and maintaining your integrity. You really want to blow that over Trump?
That ship has sailed. :laugh:
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That ship has sailed. :laugh:
:2popcorn:
Why Q-Anon Is Celebrating the Arrest of Jeffrey Epstein
by Nancy LeTourneau
July 8, 2019
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/07/08/why-q-anon-is-celebrating-the-arrest-of-jeffrey-epstein/
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I thought about not even replying to this. You question my integrity. Saying it again. I haven't rewritten anything. Nothing I said is untrue. Trump partied with Epstein. He said Epstein was a fun guy that liked his girls on the young side. He was accused of rape. Court documents were filed accusing him of rape. The case was dropped. The woman cited threats to her life. This is what has happened. My integrity is fully in tact.
Nope, not even close! Do some research beyond snopes. These people ("victim" and "witness," you know, the Doe sisters) didn't exist! It was a total scam pushed by proven fraudsters trying to extort some $$$ from a civil court. This was blown clear out of the water years ago, yet you trot it out now. Hell, this crap was slapped down here on this forum recently.
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Nope, not even close! Do some research beyond snopes. These people ("victim" and "witness," you know, the Doe sisters) didn't exist! It was a total scam pushed by proven fraudsters trying to extort some $$$ from a civil court. This was blown clear out of the water years ago, yet you trot it out now. Hell, this crap was slapped down here on this forum recently.
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I can take correction. provide the information.
What isn't blown out of the water is his friendship with the pedophile. His friendship with the Clintons. His name and contacts in Epsteins book. Pictures and video's at various events with Epstein. And Trump himself speaking of Epstein "likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
Nothing less than Clinton has been accused of. So what is there for FOX to talk about? Trumps name and contacts are in the book also.
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You don't? OK.
???? @Chosen Daughter
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@libertybele
According to CD Media‘s “confidential source,†the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is currently investigating this alleged link, which potentially also implicates Bill and Hillary Clinton, after which the term “Arkancide†was first coined.
In other words,all the evidence will be buried quicker than she is.
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I can take correction. provide the information.
@Chosen Daughter
Do you recall the picture of Donald Trump at some function with Bill and Hillary Clinton....in her yellow dress?
The NTs globed onto this as irrefutable proof that he was just like them...and that he was just a NYC liberal (cue @roamer_1 )
We stated that in order for any global developer has to get themselves into a position that they would 'owe' him a favor....grease the skids...to navigate the permit gauntlets.
...that it didn't mean he was in cahoots and a stealth candidate in order to help Hillary win.
Weren't you one of those 'NTs'?? Hmmmmm??
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I don't know. In my brain all the people who were friends together is relevant.
Is that abnormal?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=young+frankenstein+abby+normal+scene&view=detail&mid=FE4D627C09F693A6BF70FE4D627C09F693A6BF70&FORM=VIRE (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=young+frankenstein+abby+normal+scene&view=detail&mid=FE4D627C09F693A6BF70FE4D627C09F693A6BF70&FORM=VIRE)
@DCPatriot
She does this because she is a RINO Pod Person,and loves Jayzus. Trump "took the presidency away" from her usual RINO suspect biblethumper,and she will never forgive him for that.
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???? @Chosen Daughter
Well I just wondered what you were basing that on? Feelings? A desire to not want to believe it is possible?
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There was a long thread on this a few weeks back, and it was pretty decisively shown to be not true. That's why it's dangerous to repeat unproven rumors.
@Chosen Daughter
@Sanguine
She doesn't care. He is a Gawdless heaten,and she wants him punished!
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@DCPatriot
She does this because she is a RINO Pod Person,and loves Jayzus. Trump "took the presidency away" from her usual RINO suspect biblethumper,and she will never forgive him for that.
Far from RINO. I would say the exact opposite direction. McConnel and Trump are RINO. He has given Nancy Pelosi everything she demanded. I am Conservative. But go ahead and pull out the standard for you. Attack me because of my faith.
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Far from RINO. I would say the exact opposite direction. McConnel and Trump are RINO. He has given Nancy Pelosi everything she demanded. I am Conservative. But go ahead and pull out the standard for you. Attack me because of my faith.
If you are going to use your faith as a shield, you had better be sure you are practicing it.
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I am Conservative.
Maybe when it comes to thumping on your bible and damning people to hell,but you damn sure are not politically conservative. Political conservatives believe in individual freedoms,and you believe in a religious police state.
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@Chosen Daughter
Do you recall the picture of Donald Trump at some function with Bill and Hillary Clinton....in her yellow dress?
The NTs globed onto this as irrefutable proof that he was just like them...and that he was just a NYC liberal (cue @roamer_1 )
We stated that in order for any global developer has to get themselves into a position that they would 'owe' him a favor....grease the skids...to navigate the permit gauntlets.
...that it didn't mean he was in cahoots and a stealth candidate in order to help Hillary win.
Weren't you one of those 'NTs'?? Hmmmmm??
Chosen shakes head. I know you probably have an excuse too why after months of campaigning and the chant "lock her up" he folds. He immediately drops any rhetoric to have her investigated or imprisoned because she suffered already too much. Then he honors her at Inauguration breakfast where his daughter is seated at the Clinton table.
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Maybe when it comes to thumping on your bible and damning people to hell,but you damn sure are not politically conservative. Political conservatives believe in individual freedoms,and you believe in a religious police state.
I don't believe in any such thing. I believe in the Constitution to rule this Country. One example of me ever promoting anything that would make this a religious police state. Presidents and politicians are and will continue to be people of faith. Faith does not exclude people from running for office. And a person of faith who also believes in the Founding Documents of this country has, can and will be great leaders.
Every person that takes office takes an oath to uphold the Constitution. Many don't abide by it. I consider myself a Constitutionalist.
Someone who believes in:
constitutionalism
[ˌkänstəˈt(y)o͞oSH(ə)nəˌlizəm]
NOUN
constitutional government.
adherence to a system of constitutional government.
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Well I just wondered what you were basing that on? Feelings? A desire to not want to believe it is possible?
I'm not understanding as I stated that I do believe that the Clintons are quite capable of being involved in the murder of Sen. Collins-Smith.
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I'm not understanding as I stated that I do believe that the Clintons are quite capable of being involved in the murder of Sen. Collins-Smith.
She's talking about the "I for one, don't see Trump going after someone under age" part, but for some reason is unwilling to clearly state that. @libertybele
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I'm not understanding as I stated that I do believe that the Clintons are quite capable of being involved in the murder of Sen. Collins-Smith.
I do too. You also said you didn't believe Trump would be interested in young girls.
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Arkancide? Murder of Arkansas Senator Linda Collins-Smith linked to Epstein pedophilia and sex trafficking scandal
While the details are still forthcoming, CD Media is reporting that a “confidential source that has been accurate consistently†recently came forward with proof tying Collins-Smith’s mysterious death to her involvement with blowing the lid off an alleged child sex trafficking ring in Arkansas.
If there is any meat to this story, I sure hope this "confidential source" is working through the Witness Protection Program.
The tenacles of the Clinton Crime Syndicate reach close and far.
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I'm not understanding as I stated that I do believe that the Clintons are quite capable of being involved in the murder of Sen. Collins-Smith.
There's a reason that WJC cited his favorite show is House of Cards. Show's 70% non-fiction.
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I do too. You also said you didn't believe Trump would be interested in young girls.
Trump does lack character in some ways and has made some crude comments, but I don't seem him as a pedophile. He may admire, look at, younger women, but raping or molesting someone under age, I don't see him doing. Just a personal assessment and really nothing to base it on other then I've seen videos and pictures of him around his grandkids and he looks like he adores them; also watching videos of him at the Easter egg roll and he seems to be enjoying the children -- I just don't think he's capable.
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Trump does lack character in some ways and has made some crude comments, but I don't seem him as a pedophile. He may admire, look at, younger women, but raping or molesting someone under age, I don't see him doing. Just a personal assessment and really nothing to base it on other then I've seen videos and pictures of him around his grandkids and he looks like he adores them; also watching videos of him at the Easter egg roll and he seems to be enjoying the children -- I just don't think he's capable.
OK, good enough. I guess that is all we have is our own personal judgment.
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Presidents and politicians are and will continue to be people of faith.
ROFLMAO! You mean like Bubba Bill,Bathhouse Barry,and Boy Jorge Bush? Not to mention wannabes like John McLunatic,Bubbette! Clinton,etc,etc,etc.
Faith does not exclude people from running for office. And a person of faith who also believes in the Founding Documents of this country has, can and will be great leaders.
Name one.
Someone who believes in:
constitutionalism
[ˌkänstəˈt(y)o͞oSH(ə)nəˌlizəm]
NOUN
constitutional government.
adherence to a system of constitutional government.
I don't believe you.
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OK, good enough. I guess that is all we have is our own personal judgment.
No. That's the "post-modernist" way of looking at the world. What we have is truths and the God-given ability of discernment based on those truths.
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The NTs globed onto this as irrefutable proof that he was just like them...and that he was just a NYC liberal (cue @roamer_1 )
Well, all I can say, @DCPatriot , is that I'm touched... And here I thought you weren't paying attention. happy77
And yeah, he is a liberal, just like them... Except, no doubt, considering his globetrotting businesses, he is more of a corporate globalist than a communist/socialist. Which explains why he snuggled in with the Republican moderates - It's their shtick.
He doesn't mind big government - He likes it. He just thinks he can run it better.
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So getting back to Senator Collins-Smith's murder: I found this news story. Seems there is a suspect in custody -- a one time friend of the senator:
https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/friend-of-slain-former-arkansas-state-senator-linda-collins-smith-charged-with-murder/
I don't know guys. The Post article makes it seem like this murder was more the result of a dispute between friends -- not some Clinton conspiracy. :shrug:
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ROFLMAO! You mean like Bubba Bill,Bathhouse Barry,and Boy Jorge Bush? Not to mention wannabes like John McLunatic,Bubbette! Clinton,etc,etc,etc.
Name one.
I don't believe you.
ROTFL The only saving you did was the word wannabe.
I think that Ben Sasse is a Constitutionalist with real faith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sasse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sasse)
Faith April 13, 2017
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) took to Facebook Wednesday evening to share a touching story about “a homeless guy and a feast.â€
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Sasse wrote that he met “Dave†during a visit to a homeless shelter this week. Dave said he is a former resident of the shelter and now works as its cook.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/13/ben-sasse-shares-touching-personal-story-about-a-homeless-guy-and-a-feast (https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/13/ben-sasse-shares-touching-personal-story-about-a-homeless-guy-and-a-feast)
That was a great story about real faith. I hope you read it.
Ted Cruz is Constitutionalist with real faith
https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/ted-cruz-still-wants-el-chapo-to-pay-for-the-wall-11711597 (https://www.dallasobserver.com/news/ted-cruz-still-wants-el-chapo-to-pay-for-the-wall-11711597)
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Politics | Tuesday, May 19, 2015
5 Interesting Facts About Ted Cruz's Christian Faith
Presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, announced his presidential bid at Liberty University, a well-known conservative, Christian college founded by Jerry Falwell. It's a testament to his faith and Southern Baptist roots that have kept him grounded throughout his life. But here are five facts you may not know about Cruz's personal faith.
1. While Cruz says that government should protect the religious rights of people, leaders should avoid using their faith for political gain.
In a 2013 interview, he explained that faith is "a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Life, liberty, and property, the fundamental natural rights of man are given to every one of us by God, and the role of government fundamentally is to protect those rights. I think anyone in politics — you've got a special obligation to avoid being a pharisee, to avoid ostentatiously wrapping yourself in your faith. Because I think in politics, it's too easy for that to become a crutch, for that to be politically useful," he said during his appearance on "The 700 Club.".....
https://www.christianpost.com/news/5-interesting-facts-about-ted-cruzs-christian-faith.html (https://www.christianpost.com/news/5-interesting-facts-about-ted-cruzs-christian-faith.html)
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Presidents and politicians are and will continue to be people of faith.
Or at least make a good show of acting like they are, since historically many Americans were also "people of faith"
But fewer and fewer, actually are; but will fall for good acts, like Bill Clinton caarrrying his Bible.
Politics, above all, is a lot of acting. (Yes I know that true conservatives don't want to admit that)
But you might consider that a big reason why so many so-called "onservatives" later disappont, might be they were acting to begin with.
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I thought about not even replying to this. You question my integrity. Saying it again. I haven't rewritten anything. Nothing I said is untrue. Trump partied with Epstein. He said Epstein was a fun guy that liked his girls on the young side. He was accused of rape. Court documents were filed accusing him of rape. The case was dropped. The woman cited threats to her life. This is what has happened. My integrity is fully in tact.
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Indeed it is, as you were simply expressing an opinion; yet you must grasp that
when that opinion offends the Trump Posse, the horses get mighty rambunctious.
Anyway, a thought for you.
By now, even the Family Dog understands that Trump cannot discern character in subordinates.
As such, isn't it plausible to conclude that he doesn't even know what attitudes and behaviors
are the essence of character???
If so, is it fair or unfair to ask whether he has engaged in prior activities that call into question
his honor and integrity?????
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Or at least make a good show of acting like they are, since historically many Americans were also "people of faith"
But fewer and fewer, actually are; but will fall for good acts, like Bill Clinton caarrrying his Bible.
Politics, above all, is a lot of acting. (Yes I know that true conservatives don't want to admit that)
But you might consider that a big reason why so many so-called "onservatives" later disappont, might be they were acting to begin with.
True faith is walked out.
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Indeed it is, as you were simply expressing an opinion; yet you must grasp that
when that opinion offends the Trump Posse, the horses get mighty rambunctious.
Anyway, a thought for you.
By now, even the Family Dog understands that Trump cannot discern character in subordinates.
As such, isn't it plausible to conclude that he doesn't even know what attitudes and behaviors
are the essence of character???
If so, is it fair or unfair to ask whether he has engaged in prior activities that call into question
his honor and integrity?????
Fair or unfair. The question. Politics is dirty business. I remember when Trump had that story about Cruz in the gossip magazine............ Well I guess that is how he thought he should play the game.
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True faith is walked out.
That's right - And why Conservatives prefer the record to any campaign promises. If they walk the walk, it shows long before the hat is in the ring.
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Indeed it is, as you were simply expressing an opinion; yet you must grasp that
when that opinion offends the Trump Posse, the horses get mighty rambunctious.
Anyway, a thought for you.
By now, even the Family Dog understands that Trump cannot discern character in subordinates.
As such, isn't it plausible to conclude that he doesn't even know what attitudes and behaviors
are the essence of character???
If so, is it fair or unfair to ask whether he has engaged in prior activities that call into question
his honor and integrity?????
"The Trump Posse"? *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
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"The Trump Posse"? *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
LOL! I take that over being part of the "Orange Brigade" :laugh:
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"The Trump Posse"? *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
LOL! I take that over being part of the "Orange Brigade" :laugh:
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That's right - And why Conservatives prefer the record to any campaign promises. If they walk the walk, it shows long before the hat is in the ring.
Amen.
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LOL! I take that over being part of the "Orange Brigade" :laugh:
I almost pinged you @DCPatriot and @Right_in_Virginia so that you could confirm that I am part of the "Trump Posse". :silly:
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I almost pinged you @DCPatriot and @Right_in_Virginia so that you could confirm that I am part of the "Trump Posse". :silly:
888high58888 @Sanguine :laugh:
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"The Trump Posse"? *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
I'll add that to my colledtion
Eisenhower Posse
Goldwater posse
Nixon Posse
Ford Posse
Reagan Posse
Bush Posse
Dole Posse
Bush Posse
McCain Posse
Romney Posse
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So getting back to Senator Collins-Smith's murder: I found this news story. Seems there is a suspect in custody -- a one time friend of the senator:
https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/friend-of-slain-former-arkansas-state-senator-linda-collins-smith-charged-with-murder/
I don't know guys. The Post article makes it seem like this murder was more the result of a dispute between friends -- not some Clinton conspiracy. :shrug:
@Applewood
(https://articlebio.com/uploads/news/image/friend-arrested-in-death-of-former-arkansas-state-senator-linda-collins-smith.jpg)
Never, Ever pizz off your (Lesbian) Lover
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@Applewood
(https://articlebio.com/uploads/news/image/friend-arrested-in-death-of-former-arkansas-state-senator-linda-collins-smith.jpg)
Never, Ever pizz off your (Lesbian) Lover
LOL. You sure she was a lesbian, @corbe ? I have several female friends with whom I am very close. But as lovers? Ewwwwwww!
Did find it interesting that Miss Collins-Smith's former husband was involved in some kind of scandal in 2017 -- which apparently led to their divorce. Not sure what that scandal was about though. Hmmmmmmm.
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@Applewood
Never, Ever pizz off your (Lesbian) Lover
@corbe
I will try to keep that in mind.
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"The Trump Posse"? *****rollingeyes***** :laugh:
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Doncha remember those old Cowboy Comedies where,
in the closing scene, Jerry Calonna, galloping in front of
the Deputies, shouted "Well we're here, now what???"
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Doncha remember those old Cowboy Comedies where,
in the closing scene, Jerry Calonna, galloping in front of
the Deputies, shouted "Well were here, now what???"
No, not sure what shows you're talking about.
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I can take correction. provide the information.
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@Chosen Daughter
What do I look like? Your personal Google Assistant?
:silly:
Just teasing…
Links are below the excerpts. (Not surprisingly, there were not a lot of news organizations covering the so called “accusations†and even less covering the demise. Interestingly, the outlets below are certainly not “pro Trump†at all, and actually could be better termed “anti-Trump†in the main.)
Lawsuits accusing Donald Trump of sexually assaulting a child in the 1990s appear to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities.
Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show, has previously been involved with disputed allegations that OJ Simpson bought illegal drugs on the day Simpson’s wife was murdered, and that Kurt Cobain’s widow had the Nirvana frontman killed.
Court filings in California and New York against Trump, purportedly on behalf of a woman using the name Katie Johnson, have in recent weeks alleged that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee raped Johnson when she was 13. Trump vehemently denies the allegations.
A publicist using the pseudonym “Al Taylor†is acting as a representative for Johnson, and has been shopping around to media outlets a video of a woman who wears a disguise while recounting the allegations against Trump. “Taylor†said in telephone calls last month that he was seeking $1m for the tape. Jezebel has published a segment of the video along with a detailed account of how the allegations against Trump were being pushed to reporters.
A telephone number and an email address used by “Taylor†have also been used by Lubow, according to three sources who have worked with them. A longtime associate of Lubow also told the Guardian that Lubow used the identity “Al Taylorâ€.
“Taylor†told the Guardian that he helped the alleged victim Johnson put together her first lawsuit against Trump, which was filed in California earlier this year. “She is a friend of mine,†he said, declining to make her available for interview.
He then became threatening when asked more about his motivations in seeking the money for the video and about his true identity. “Just be warned: we’ll sue you if we don’t like what you write,†he said. “We’ll sue your ass, own your ass and own your newspaper’s ass as well, punk.â€
In 2011, “Al Taylor†claimed to cable news channels and gossip websites that he was negotiating a $1m deal for an exclusive TV interview with Casey Anthony, who was acquitted in a high-profile trial in Florida of killing her young daughter. Anthony’s attorneys denied the claims and the interview never took place.
The Guardian has established that a photograph supplied to those media outlets to illustrate the interviews, purporting to be of “Al Taylorâ€, was in fact a picture of Al Bowman, a minor Hollywood promoter who has known Lubow for more than 20 years. Bowman, also a former Jerry Springer Show producer, claims to have been a chauffeur to celebrities such as Whitney Houston.
In telephone interviews, Bowman insisted that he knew nothing about the lawsuits against Trump. Bowman said he actually supported Trump’s campaign for president and intended to vote for him – a claim backed up by a series of pro-Trump postings in past months on his personal Facebook page. Bowman’s accent and tone of voice appeared not to match that used by “Taylor†during the 2011 cable news interviews and in recent phone calls.
Bowman eventually said he knew the true identity of the man involved in the action against Trump, and that it was a former colleague of his. “Al Taylor’s real name is Norm Lubow,†he said.
Speaking about the lawsuit against Trump, “Al Taylor†first introduced himself to the Guardian as “the attorney in Californiaâ€, before later clarifying that he was not a lawyer. “My brother and sister were attorneys,†he said. Lubow’s brother Owen is an attorney, as was their late sister Barbara. A message left for Owen Lubow was not returned.
There are further detailed connections between Lubow and “Al Taylorâ€. An email address for Norm Lubow that was provided by Bowman matched an email address that, according to two sources who have done business with “Al Taylorâ€, is also used by “Taylorâ€. A telephone number for Lubow provided by Bowman matched a number used by one of these sources for reaching “Taylorâ€. A separate cellphone number used by “Taylorâ€, which was listed on the California lawsuit against Trump, has the same area code, 760, which covers the city of Palm Desert – Lubow’s last known address.
Lubow, 55, did not return a subsequent series of telephone calls, text messages, emails and online messages over the past two weeks seeking confirmation that he was indeed “Al Taylorâ€. Past media reports have also identified “Taylor†as a spokesman for the Erotic Heritage Museum and the Hustler strip club, both in Las Vegas. Messages left for “Taylor†at both the museum and the club were not returned.
Statements made by Lubow over the past two decades on a variety of topics have been called into question.
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Their federal lawsuit filed last month in New York alleges that Johnson, identified this time as “Jane Doeâ€, was sexually assaulted by Trump in 1994 at the Manhattan home of Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier – and associate of the UK’s Prince Andrew – who was jailed in Florida in 2008 for soliciting sex from an underage girl.
The New York lawsuit was accompanied by a supporting affidavit from a woman using the name “Tiffany Doeâ€, who claims to have worked for Epstein at the time and procured the young girl for the two men. The allegations made in the suit have been reported by several media outlets.
The legal action in Manhattan follows a near-identical suit in California that made the same allegations against Trump and Epstein. That case was promptly thrown out after a federal judge ruled that the complaint cited statutes that did not apply to it. Epstein has through representatives also denied the allegations.
Alan Garten, an attorney for the Trump Organization, described the allegations against Trump as “a complete fabrication†that appeared to be politically motivated. “This is basically a sham lawsuit brought by someone who desires to impact the presidential election,†said Garten.
Trump’s team said the lawsuit was badly flawed. “I don’t even know if there is a plaintiff,†said Garten. “I don’t know a lawyer worthy of the bar who would put his name to this lawsuit.†Meagher, however, insisted that he had met the plaintiff and separately spoken to her over video-conference. “She definitely exists,†said Meagher.
After repeated questions to “Al Taylor†asking him to confirm he was Norm Lubow went ignored, a text message was eventually sent to the Guardian from a cellphone previously answered several times by “Taylorâ€.
It said: “This is Katie Johnson. Why do you keep asking for [Lubow]. I do not know and have never met anybody by this name. If you are really a reporter like you claim are and not just a crank call like thousands of other calls I have gotten since my phone number was published throughout the world, then why don’t you ask how it feels to have the pervert who raped me when I was only 13 years running for President of this great country?
“It sickens me every time I see his evil face on TV. I am not after money, I want revenge for what this evil pedophile did to me. He doesn’t deserve to be President, he deserves to be in jail...
If you really are a reporter like you told my attorney Tom Meagher, then please publish my statement for the millions of other Rape Victims who have no voice. Thank you, Katie Johnson.â€
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow)
Astounded by the claims, I wrote an impassioned plea to Johnson's lawyer, asking him for an interview. He wrote back, simply, "Sure."
A quick Google search revealed that Johnson's lawyer, Thomas Meagher, is a patent lawyer in Princeton, New Jersey.
Meagher took on this case independently of his law firm, and openly admits that he has never tackled this kind of case before. He told me in our first conversation that he discovered the case via the website Gossip Extra. The South Florida-tabloid ran an article about Johnson's failed first filing, and her fruitless search for legal representation. Moved, Meagher contacted the site to offer his help.
Meagher sounded nervous when we spoke for the first time. He asked for the whole interview to be off-the-record, and still refused to answer some of my questions. Not that I blamed him — Trump frequently boasts that he is a litigious man who never settles cases.
After my first article, a video began circulating of a woman, claiming to be Katie Johnson, listing her accusations against Trump and Epstein.
Two weeks later, I got an email from Meagher.
"As I recall, you had asked to interview my client," he said. "Would you be interested in coming here to Princeton to interview her via FaceTime?"
At that point, The Daily Beast and Jezebel had both published articles casting doubt on the case — or at least the men involved in it.
The reports claimed that a man named Al Taylor had been acting as a go-between for Johnson and the press. He was allegedly shopping around a video of someone, claiming to be Johnson, recounting her allegations to the camera. He had also told a Jezebel reporter to suck his d*ck.
Though there were several unpleasant interactions with Taylor on record, no one had spoken to Johnson.
I agreed to do a Skype interview on Friday, July 8, from Meagher’s office. That same day, The Guardian ran an article claiming that Al Taylor is actually Norm Lubow, a former producer for the Jerry Springer show and known purveyor of celebrity scandals. "Taylor" become violent when reporters asked him about these claims.
"Just be warned: we"ll sue you if we don't like what you write," Taylor told The Guardian's Jon Swaine. "We'll sue your ass, own your ass and own your newspaper's ass as well, punk."
I received another email from Meagher while traveling to Princeton to ask Johnson about all of these issues.
"Sorry but she has changed her mind and will no longer do it," he wrote, referring to my interview with his client. "Alas."
I finally spoke to Johnson on July 11 — three days later — at 11:45 pm.
After several days of back-and-forth with Meagher, I secured a conference call with him and his client. Johnson's voice sounded muffled and far away when she answered — she said she was speaking softly because she didn’t want anyone to overhear her. Several times she paused mid-sentence, and I could hear her moving something.
"She has dogs," Meagher explained.
—snip—
Jane Doe and her attorney filed to dismiss their case on Friday, September 16. An email to Revelist indicates that the complaint will be re-filed, with the addition of a new witness. Meagher did not respond to requests for comment.
The plaintiff, using the name Katie Johnson, originally filed the lawsuit in California. Johnson represented herself in that suit, but the judge threw it out for failing to make an adequate civil rights claim.
At the time, Trump's attorney denied the claims, calling them "not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention." But less than a month later, Johnson was suing again — this time with legal representation and a tightly-edited lawsuit.
Astounded by the claims, I wrote an impassioned plea to Johnson's lawyer, asking him for an interview. He wrote back, simply, "Sure."
A quick Google search revealed that Johnson's lawyer, Thomas Meagher, is a patent lawyer in Princeton, New Jersey.
Meagher took on this case independently of his law firm, and openly admits that he has never tackled this kind of case before. He told me in our first conversation that he discovered the case via the website Gossip Extra. The South Florida-tabloid ran an article about Johnson's failed first filing, and her fruitless search for legal representation. Moved, Meagher contacted the site to offer his help.
Meagher sounded nervous when we spoke for the first time. He asked for the whole interview to be off-the-record, and still refused to answer some of my questions. Not that I blamed him — Trump frequently boasts that he is a litigious man who never settles cases.
After my first article, a video began circulating of a woman, claiming to be Katie Johnson, listing her accusations against Trump and Epstein. Two weeks later, I got an email from Meagher.
"As I recall, you had asked to interview my client," he said. "Would you be interested in coming here to Princeton to interview her via FaceTime?"
At that point, The Daily Beast and Jezebel had both published articles casting doubt on the case — or at least the men involved in it.
The reports claimed that a man named Al Taylor had been acting as a go-between for Johnson and the press. He was allegedly shopping around a video of someone, claiming to be Johnson, recounting her allegations to the camera. He had also told a Jezebel reporter to suck his d*ck.
Though there were several unpleasant interactions with Taylor on record, no one had spoken to Johnson.
I agreed to do a Skype interview on Friday, July 8, from Meagher’s office. That same day, The Guardian ran an article claiming that Al Taylor is actually Norm Lubow, a former producer for the Jerry Springer show and known purveyor of celebrity scandals. "Taylor" become violent when reporters asked him about these claims.
"Just be warned: we"ll sue you if we don't like what you write," Taylor told The Guardian's Jon Swaine. "We'll sue your ass, own your ass and own your newspaper's ass as well, punk."
I received another email from Meagher while traveling to Princeton to ask Johnson about all of these issues.
"Sorry but she has changed her mind and will no longer do it," he wrote, referring to my interview with his client. "Alas."
I finally spoke to Johnson on July 11 — three days later — at 11:45 pm.
After several days of back-and-forth with Meagher, I secured a conference call with him and his client. Johnson's voice sounded muffled and far away when she answered — she said she was speaking softly because she didn’t want anyone to overhear her. Several times she paused mid-sentence, and I could hear her moving something.
"She has dogs," Meagher explained.
—snip—
But Epstein entertained dozens of high-profile guests, including Revlon chairman Ronald Perelman, real-estate tycoon Leon Black, and even former president Bill Clinton. Is Trump and Epstein’s friendship enough to place him at Epstein’s apartment on the night of the alleged assault? Detective Fisten doesn't think so.
"I interviewed hundreds of victims — people who were victimized by Jeffrey, worked with him, were part of his organization," Fisten told me. "I interviewed them, the FBI interviewed him … Trump never came up involved in this part of his life anywhere, at any time, by anybody."
Asked why Trump was named in this lawsuit, Fisten said flatly, “They threw Trump’s name in there.â€
—snip—
Toward the end of our interview, I asked Johnson whether anyone helped her file her initial lawsuit.
"I'm sorry?" she responded.
"Did anyone help you or encourage you in the filing of that first lawsuit?" I repeated. "I'm sure it was a very monumental decision."
That's when her lawyer jumped in.
"I definitely don't mind you answering this question," Meagher told Johnson. "But because of all the hoopla about the peripheral characters in this, I certainly don't mind you saying that you got help, but I don't want you to identify who helped you."
When I finally convinced Meagher to allow Johnson to speak openly, she admitted that Taylor had been instrumental in the filing of the lawsuit. She said they had been introduced through a mutual friend, who urged her to go to Taylor with the story. The friend believed Taylor had the resources to bring her accusations to light.
"[Taylor is] for lack of a better term, a good team player," Johnson told me. "If I need help with something, he's there to help me. ... He knows a lot about a lot of different fields that just have been really helpful to this entire thing, and I couldn’t have done it without him. I wouldn’t have done it without him."
But when I talked to Steve Baer, a conservative donor who has been rallying media attention around this case (and against Trump) he told me a different version of the story.
"Al says he's a friend of Katie's," Baer told me. "He met her at a party that a friend held — I think it was a Christmas or holiday party — about two years ago."
At that party, Baer recounted, Taylor asked Johnson conversationally whether she had any good celebrity gossip. Eventually, Johnson told him the story of her assault. At the time, Baer claims, Taylor didn't want to touch the story. But when Trump's campaign started picking up steam, he circled back around to Johnson.
"They concluded, I think on advice of friends of Al's in media, that the way journalists would feel comfortable about writing about this story would be if it were attached to a lawyer and a plaintiff's case," Baer told me. "Because that way Katie doesn't have to be out front and at personal risk for her life and safety."
The day after my interview, Baer forwarded me a letter Johnson looked to have written that day.
The letter's recipient is none other than Paul Ryan, speaker of the House of Representatives.
"I am an independent person who wants only one thing," the politically-charged letter says. "I want to stop the evil, sick, pedophile pervert who raped me when I was only 13 from becoming president of this great country of ours."
I don't know if Johnson wrote that letter. In fact, I don't know if the Katie Johnson I spoke to is the same girl who Trump allegedly raped in 1994, or if that girl even exists. I have never seen Johnson — in person, or via FaceTime, as I was originally promised — and I have not spoken to her only eyewitness, Tiffany Doe. To my knowledge, no journalist has.
https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/a-quick-google-search-revealed-that-johnsons-lawyer-thomas-meagher-is-a-patent-lawyer-in-princeton-new-jersey/1 (https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/a-quick-google-search-revealed-that-johnsons-lawyer-thomas-meagher-is-a-patent-lawyer-in-princeton-new-jersey/1)
Johnson has a number of non-anonymous supporters, though it’s a cast of characters who do little to allay Trump’s assertion that her claim was brought solely to influence the election.
According to a lengthy article on the site Jezebel, some eight months before Johnson filed her California lawsuit against Epstein and Trump, a man named Al Taylor—who claimed to be the “PR person†for something called the Erotic Heritage Museum in Las Vegas—reached out to a reporter at Gawker to shop a video recording of Johnson and her rape story. Taylor, who identified himself to The Daily Beast as “a friend†to Johnson, claims to have met her at a party where she revealed her alleged childhood assault by Trump. In a video published in part on Jezebel, a woman claiming to be Katie Johnson appears—wearing a blond wig, her face pixelated and her voice disguised. In it, she details the allegations of rape.
When The Daily Beast asked Taylor for a copy of the video, Taylor suggested it was still for sale. “I heard it would be worth $1 million,†Taylor said, claiming the proceeds from the sale would go to Johnson’s protection.
“We’ve got her in hiding,†he said.
Taylor has coincidentally been the subject of Epstein-related news before. In 2011, Taylor, at first freelance producing for The Jerry Springer Show then working alone, claimed to have made a million-dollar deal with Casey Anthony for an interview after the Florida woman’s acquittal in the murder of her 2-year-old daughter. When the interview didn’t happen, Taylor retained the services of Spencer Kuvin, a Palm Beach lawyer who also represented three Epstein victims. Taylor says he met Kuvin during an attempt to interview his Epstein clients. They settled with Epstein out of court and declined to be interviewed by Taylor.
But Taylor wasn’t the only party working to get the tape and Katie Johnson’s story to the media. According to Jezebel, Steve Baer, described in National Review as “a conservative activist and major, if secretive, donor to the conservative movement,†lobbied their reporter to publish Johnson’s claims. Baer is also, according to Jezebel, the father of Chandler Smith, an Ohio woman who happens to be the co-founder of an organization called Vote Trump Get Dumped, a campaign that urges ladies to withhold sex from Trump supporters. “Until Trump is defeated, we don’t date, sleep with, or canoodle with Trump supporters,†the group’s manifesto reads.
When Johnson’s case was thrown out in California, Taylor says he began looking for an attorney to file a new case for his “friend.†They approached Brad Edwards, the lawyer who has represented a number of Epstein victims through settlements—and who is now representing Virginia Roberts Guiffre in her claim against Epstein’s former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell as well as four alleged victims in the case against the federal government.
“I will say I’ve never represented [Johnson] and I won’t be representing her,†Edwards told The Daily Beast.
Edwards couldn’t comment on the conversations he had with Johnson or her representatives, citing attorney-client privilege. Concerning Trump’s involvement in Epstein’s illicit affairs, Edwards said he hadn’t seen any evidence that would implicate the GOP nominee and described Trump as “extremely helpful and honest,†during questioning.
When Edwards declined to take the case, Taylor told the website GossipExtra they were shopping for representation. That’s how Johnson’s current attorney, Tom Meagher, says he found his client.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton (https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton)
@Sanguine
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No, you're not Google, you're much better!
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No, you're not Google, you're much better!
LOL
Actually, you could search until the cows come home on Google and will never surface those articles.... have to use DuckDuckGo to find those.....
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No, not sure what shows you're talking about.
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Er............no doubt you've heard of transplants???
Urge you to explore one involving a sense of humor.
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No. That's the "post-modernist" way of looking at the world. What we have is truths and the God-given ability of discernment based on those truths.
There is no complete evidence that Trump participated in Epstein's pedophilia. Until there is something conclusive, I'm judging by what I've seen. Yes, Trump was affiliated with Epstein long ago, made some questionable comments, but unless I've missed something, that's about it.
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Er............no doubt you've heard of transplants???
Urge you to explore one involving a sense of humor.
A sense of humor is not going to clear up your obscure comment. Perhaps you are referring to something before my time and outside my areas of interest.
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@Chosen Daughter
@EdJames
@Chosen Daughter
Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show,
HEY! If you can't trust a producer from the Jerry Springer show to tell you the truth,who CAN you trust?
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No. That's the "post-modernist" way of looking at the world. What we have is truths and the God-given ability of discernment based on those truths.
I don't see that any concrete 'truth' has been uncovered about Trump's involvement or not being involved in Epstein's sex ring. So ... until then, I'm judging by how I have seen him act around his own grandchildren and the few times that media has shown him around children.
Serious crimes have been committed and I hope those guilty are held accountable. No one should be deemed above the law and escape taking responsibility.
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HEY! If you can't trust a producer from the Jerry Springer show to tell you the truth,who CAN you trust?
LOL That's why I don't care for these conspiracy theories. Most of the people who espouse them are not exactly trustworthy.
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I don't see that any concrete 'truth' has been uncovered about Trump's involvement or not being involved in Epstein's sex ring. So ... until then, I'm judging by how I have seen him act around his own grandchildren and the few times that media has shown him around children.
Serious crimes have been committed and I hope those guilty are held accountable. No one should be deemed above the law and escape taking responsibility.
I was just talking about individual "truths" vs universal truth.
Otherwise, I agree with what you say here. We just don't know what Trump's level of involvement with Epstein was at all times, but this particular claim has been pretty thoroughly debunked.
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A sense of humor is not going to clear up your obscure comment. Perhaps you are referring to something before my time and outside my areas of interest.
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Er.................yes I am but stay well!
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Actually, you could search until the cows come home on Google and will never surface those articles.... have to use DuckDuckGo to find those.....
Well I found it on Bing.
https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/two-weeks-later-i-got-an-email-from-meagher/3 (https://www.revelist.com/politics/i-talked-with-katie-johnson/3573/two-weeks-later-i-got-an-email-from-meagher/3)
Read through the whole thing. I don't think it proves anything. You are basing your judgment on this guy Edwards who suggests that nobody except Epstein engaged in any sex with all these victims. That would exclude Clinton and Prince Andrew too. It would create the idea that Epstein's Lolita Express didn't exist and there were no sex parties. I guess then FOX should stop talking about Epstein and Clinton too.
Well reading through the revelist article I was even more convinced that it did happen and my disgust in Trump was elevated. All the talk about Lublow didn't distract me at all. We are talking about Donald Trump who's friend and fixer is David Pecker of the National Enquirer. I guess that guy is pretty credible too?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/aug/23/david-pecker-donald-trump-michael-cohen-immunity (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/aug/23/david-pecker-donald-trump-michael-cohen-immunity)
And if you want to know what kind of a person Trump is you need only listen to his Howard Stern interviews. Here is from the same news media you posted.
Donald Trump’s Craziest Interview Ever: ‘Any Girl You Have, I Can Take From You’
Back in 2001, Trump got in an on-air fight on Howard Stern’s radio show with an angry gossip columnist where a gloating Trump bragged about stealing the man’s girlfriend.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-craziest-interview-ever-any-girl-you-have-i-can-take-from-you?ref=scroll (https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trumps-craziest-interview-ever-any-girl-you-have-i-can-take-from-you?ref=scroll)
Which brings me back to my original assessment....Donald Trump is a creep. A sexually motivated slime ball who has been accused by more than one woman of sexual assault. And he liked to talk about his prowess on Howard Stern exposing the women he had been with. He talked about Britany Spears. He went to Stern over and over.
We have a slime ball President. Period. Whether he raped the girl or not the information that you posted doesn't prove a thing. Furthermore if it did it also proves that there are no other people involved in Epsteins crimes against these young girls. And thus this whole thread leads to nothing.
Everyone knew before Donald was elected that there was plenty of information on his past about who he was. The Evangelicals didn't care. Trump isn't any different than the sexual dog Bill Clinton.
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And this piece is all about Epstein's life, clients, friends, business.. Makes him sound like a great guy that every rich person should have known. The list of people who partied with and did business deals with even includes the Queen of England. Must read. And if you do you would see why Epstein got a sweet deal.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303 (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303)
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And this piece is all about Epstein's life, clients, friends, business.. Makes him sound like a great guy that every rich person should have known. The list of people who partied with and did business deals with even includes the Queen of England. Must read. And if you do you would see why Epstein got a sweet deal.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303 (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303)
So....is the Queen a rapist too?
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None of my friends are pedophiles.
Same for me. Have you noticed how none of the Grab-Em-By-The-Posse can say it?
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So....is the Queen a rapist too?
I think that was the point. They were talking about him as if he was all of their business advisors and that is how he made his money. It talks about how Dershowitz only sends first copies of his unpublished books to Epstein first. The list of people who attended his parties is extensive. You have to read it.
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If you dare listen to this interview between our president and Howard Stern.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Trump+talks+sex+on+Howard+Stern&view=detail&mid=F7A0CEFBE4B601515536F7A0CEFBE4B601515536&FORM=VIRE (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Trump+talks+sex+on+Howard+Stern&view=detail&mid=F7A0CEFBE4B601515536F7A0CEFBE4B601515536&FORM=VIRE)
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And the plot thickens
Is Epstein an Israeli Intelligence operative?
https://www.trunews.com/podcast/massages-by-mossad-is-jeffrey-epstein-an-israeli-intelligence-operative# (https://www.trunews.com/podcast/massages-by-mossad-is-jeffrey-epstein-an-israeli-intelligence-operative#)!
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That's not the point; the point is repeating unsubstantiated rumor and gossip as facts.
@Sanguine
It is true a case was filed against Trump for sexual assault of a 13 yr. old, more than once, at Epstein's house in New York City. That case did exist. We will likely know what is true and what is not, during the Epstein trial, if he lives long enough to be on trial.
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@Sanguine
It is true a case was filed against Trump for sexual assault of a 13 yr. old, more than once, at Epstein's house in New York City. That case did exist. We will likely know what is true and what is not, during the Epstein trial, if he lives long enough to be on trial.
The case did exist, but was found to be baseless.
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@Sanguine
It is true a case was filed against Trump for sexual assault of a 13 yr. old, more than once, at Epstein's house in New York City. That case did exist. We will likely know what is true and what is not, during the Epstein trial, if he lives long enough to be on trial.
The case existed, but appears to have been dismissed.
I would not lightly accept these sorts of allegations against someone, particularly someone like Trump, without some extrinsic, objective evidence.
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The case existed, but appears to have been dismissed.
I would not lightly accept these sorts of allegations against someone, particularly someone like Trump, without some extrinsic, objective evidence.
His recent tweets on the Epstein subject...he's asking for an investigation into exactly who visited his private hedonistic getaway.
That's compelling evidence to me that he's never been there.
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His recent tweets on the Epstein subject...he's asking for an investigation into exactly who visited his private hedonistic getaway.
That's compelling evidence to me that he's never been there.
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I don’t think it’s compelling one way or the other, but then again, I don’t see anything that in the least supports the accusations against Trump for pedophilia, and I think it’s very irresponsible for people to be making those accusations without any evidence.
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I don’t think it’s compelling one way or the other, but then again, I don’t see anything that in the least supports the accusations against Trump for pedophilia, and I think it’s very irresponsible for people to be making those accusations without any evidence.
Yes, it's a shame. :shrug:
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I don’t think it’s compelling one way or the other, but then again, I don’t see anything that in the least supports the accusations against Trump for pedophilia, and I think it’s very irresponsible for people to be making those accusations without any evidence.
That's right, in the main.
But in saying that, I will point out the value of character in bolstering a man against such charges, or rather that a poor character leads to a condition where his record causes such things to be believable, leaving him indefensible in the public eye.
And I find the hypocrisy delicious, by the way... many of those who leap to Tump's defense in the face of his lurid history, are the very same who publicly convicted Moore who's record was without blemish...
Yes, I will wait for the evidence to present, but should I be surprised to find a few underage girls in Tumpy's sordid past? LOL! c'mon. Not in the least.
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That's right, in the main.
But in saying that, I will point out the value of character in bolstering a man against such charges, or rather that a poor character leads to a condition where his record causes such things to be believable, leaving him indefensible in the public eye.
And I find the hypocrisy delicious, by the way... many of those who leap to Tump's defense in the face of his lurid history, are the very same who publicly convicted Moore who's record was without blemish...
Yes, I will wait for the evidence to present, but should I be surprised to find a few underage girls in Tumpy's sordid past? LOL! c'mon. Not in the least.
Like who, @roamer_1 ? Me and @Bill Cipher? I don't think so.
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Like who, @roamer_1 ? Me and @Bill Cipher? I don't think so.
No @Sanguine not you or @Bill Cipher - I was thinking of a larger scale than this thread.
And I won't call em out.
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You should call then out @roamer, not much typing, it's only 3 or 4 besides it's been a while since the Mods have earned their salary around here. :smokin:
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No @Sanguine not you or @Bill Cipher - I was thinking of a larger scale than this thread.
And I won't call em out.
Shouldn't be presumptuous here, but just in case.... I've never said anything about Roy Moore's life or qualifications other than to say he couldn't win.
It's a gift.... :shrug:
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You should call then out @roamer, not much typing, it's only 3 or 4 besides it's been a while since the Mods have earned their salary around here. :smokin:
Are you trying to get me a vacation @corbe ?
:beer: :seeya:
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Are you trying to get me a vacation @corbe ?
:beer: :seeya:
You and me both @roamer_1 I've been in trouble here before, it's not pretty.
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Shouldn't be presumptuous here, but just in case.... I've never said anything about Roy Moore's life or qualifications other than to say he couldn't win.
It's a gift.... :shrug:
@DCPatriot
Naw... You already know that of the baptized in orange koolaid crowd, I generally find you to be the most reasonable... Which is close enough to a compliment that you should suppose I intended it to be one...
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Same for me. Have you noticed how none of the Grab-Em-By-The-Posse can say it?
You sure of that?
If we're going to play the guilt by association game, we can go through all your friends and associates and probably find SOMEONE with a criminal record. If they don't, they probably have simply buried their skeletons (e.g. the Cuomos).
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You sure of that?
If we're going to play the guilt by association game, we can go through all your friends and associates and probably find SOMEONE with a criminal record. If they don't, they probably have simply buried their skeletons (e.g. the Cuomos).
I was making a joke, but I was going the other way. I bet most of us don't associate with pedos...or at least few of us could say “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.â€
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The case did exist, but was found to be baseless.
@Sanguine
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
One explanation of that case being dropped (and I am talking about the one filed in New York City, not the one in California with the same woman) was the woman received threats and dropped it. If it was real, it will come out.
I just copied and pasted/arranged into a Word document, 20 pages of Epstein's life, from him being young, how he got into the business he did, what he did through the years, who his friends were, other legal trouble he had, and now the present time. To know a person, start when the person was born and follow the progress or non-progress, then you know someone.
Epstein is a bad guy, but he is mentally brilliant - higher math/physics which means he is a thinker and planner to the max, and I did not know that. That is one reason he has managed to not be in prison until now.
His smarts lead him to only have billionaires for clients for this reason: billionaires have so much money they know they will have as much money as they will need, their worry/problem is, they don't want to lose it, so they hired him to manage it. It is the same with millionaires, their worry is losing it and they don't want to spend every day dealing with it, so they hire a investment professional to deal with it so they can have a life without worry.
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@Sanguine
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
One explanation of that case being dropped (and I am talking about the one filed in New York City, not the one in California with the same woman) was the woman received threats and dropped it. If it was real, it will come out.
I just copied and pasted/arranged into a Word document, 20 pages of Epstein's life, from him being young, how he got into the business he did, what he did through the years, who his friends were, other legal trouble he had, and now the present time. To know a person, start when the person was born and follow the progress or non-progress, then you know someone.
Epstein is a bad guy, but he is mentally brilliant - higher math/physics which means he is a thinker and planner to the max, and I did not know that. That is one reason he has managed to not be in prison until now.
His smarts lead him to only have billionaires for clients for this reason: billionaires have so much money they know they will have as much money as they will need, their worry/problem is, they don't want to lose it, so they hired him to manage it. It is the same with millionaires, their worry is losing it and they don't want to spend every day dealing with it, so they hire a investment professional to deal with it so they can have a life without worry.
I hear you, @Victoria33 , but the case was dropped because the "victim" wasn't. This dog just won't hunt.
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I hear you, @Victoria33 , but the case was dropped because the "victim" wasn't. This dog just won't hunt.
@Sanguine
She used a fake name in California; that is where the "fake" came in.
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His recent tweets on the Epstein subject...he's asking for an investigation into exactly who visited his private hedonistic getaway.
That's compelling evidence to me that he's never been there.
That's how I saw it. Trump made the comment that he would like to know who visited that Island. If he visited he certainly wouldn't want to be caught up in that investigation.
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That's how I saw it. Trump made the comment that he would like to know who visited that Island. If he visited he certainly wouldn't want to be caught up in that investigation.
That is just an assumption I just can't make regarding Trump being thoroughly versed in his past. As @roamer_1 brought up earlier how many of us would be surprised if Trump was caught up in this $hit. Not Me!
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I don’t think it’s compelling one way or the other, but then again, I don’t see anything that in the least supports the accusations against Trump for pedophilia, and I think it’s very irresponsible for people to be making those accusations without any evidence.
@Bill Cipher
Their hatred of Trump for beating their usual suspect out of the presidency is so intense they just don't care. If someone was to report in the media that he was born with a forked tail and demons horns,they would believe it without question.
They have no honor and they have no shame.
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That is just an assumption I just can't make regarding Trump being thoroughly versed in his past. As @roamer_1 brought up earlier how many of us would be surprised if Trump was caught up in this $hit. Not Me!
Yes an assumption and also an assumption that he is innocent until proven guilty. Does he have character flaws and a questionable liberal past? Absolutely. Is it troubling? Without a doubt. Do I want him to be involved in Epstein's sex trafficking? Definitely not.
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@Bill Cipher
Their hatred of Trump for beating their usual suspect out of the presidency is so intense they just don't care. If someone was to report in the media that he was born with a forked tail and demons horns,they would believe it without question.
They have no honor and they have no shame.
I disagree @sneakypete you're assuming the Hate for Trump is strong here among Briefers and I just don't see it, admittedly I am Bias. I could believe he has horns and a forked tounge, but I'd at lest need a photoshop before I start declaring him a Satan. /JS
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I disagree @sneakypete you're assuming the Hate for Trump is strong here among Briefers and I just don't see it, admittedly I am Bias. I could believe he has horns and a forked tounge, but I'd at lest need a photoshop before I start declaring him a Satan. /JS
@corbe It IS that strong amongst a few,and they don't need no stinking photo shop.
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(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5076/7241958776_8412b0cc9a_z.jpg)
Hold On @sneakypete let me get my Pantyhose off and My Waders On.
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@corbe It IS that strong amongst a few,and they don't need no stinking photo shop.
I can only speak for myself, but I don't hate Trump nearly as much as the voters that inflicted him on the nation.
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I can only speak for myself, but I don't hate Trump nearly as much as the voters that inflicted him on the nation.
(https://i.imgflip.com/bb7gs.gif)
Leave it to @Once-Ler to find the 11 knob.
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That is just an assumption I just can't make regarding Trump being thoroughly versed in his past. As @roamer_1 brought up earlier how many of us would be surprised if Trump was caught up in this $hit. Not Me!
@corbe
Research I did about this months ago, indicates Trump went to parties at Epstein's house in New York City - he did not go to the island. That would be the reason Trump showed interest in who went to the island; he knows he wasn't there. He prefers to keep the island the big focus so the city parties are not focused to find out who went there and what happened. Remember Trump has a "thing" about germs. That could be why he did not go to the island.
Epstein's black book has eight phone numbers for Trump and members of his family - they were friends. Trump was in Epstein's plane two times. I have said we may find out who did what IF Epstein lives long enough to go through a trial. I don't care who did what, but it will come out during this trial.
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@corbe
Research I did about this months ago, indicates Trump went to parties at Epstein's house in New York City - he did not go to the island. That would be the reason Trump showed interest in who went to the island; he knows he wasn't there. He prefers to keep the island the big focus so the city parties are not focused to find out who went there and what happened. Remember Trump has a "thing" about germs. That could be why he did not go to the island.
Epstein's black book has eight phone numbers for Trump and members of his family - they were friends. Trump was in Epstein's plane two times. I have said we may find out who did what IF Epstein lives long enough to go through a trial. I don't care who did what, but it will come out during this trial.
There are so many with ties to him. Much bigger than anyone could imagine. I just wonder with all the power and power players if he will get off again.
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Epstein's black book has eight phone numbers for Trump and members of his family - they were friends. Trump was in Epstein's plane two times. I have said we may find out who did what IF Epstein lives long enough to go through a trial. I don't care who did what, but it will come out during this trial.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html)
14 numbers for Donny alone - page 80.
8 numbers for Robert, Ivana, and Ivanka - pages 55 ad 56
“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.â€