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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: mystery-ak on September 01, 2016, 06:29:03 pm
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Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
By Meghan Keneally
JOHN SANTUCCI
Sep 1, 2016, 10:06 AM ET
Donald Trump stressed his push for increased patriotism in a speech to the American Legion this morning.
Specifically, he said that a shared goal of the Trump administration and the American Legion, a veterans' association, is "promoting American pride and patriotism in America’s schools."
"We want young Americans to recite the pledge of allegiance," Trump said.
"We will stop apologizing for America, and we will start celebrating America. We will be united by our common culture, values and principles -- becoming one American nation. One country, under one constitution, saluting one American flag. And always saluting it," he said.
This morning's speech in Cincinnati, Ohio, comes hours after Trump gave a long-awaited address on immigration in Arizona.
He reiterated several of his immigration proposals during this morning's speech, including greater screening for immigrants, a ban on accepting Syrian refugees and a stronger border defense.
video at link
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-pushes-patriotism-schools/story?id=41796093
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Yes. You WILL recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Trump's federalized and centralized America.
Meanwhile:
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Yes. You WILL recite the Pledge of Allegiance in Trump's federalized and centralized America.
So after 60 years of it, now you're offended? :shrug:
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So after 60 years of it, now you're offended? :shrug:
Yes. If Trump is for it, we're against it. Period.
Damn the principles, full speed ahead on anti-cultism. Hate hate hate.
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So after 60 years of it, now you're offended? :shrug:
Huh?
I have always opposed federal mandates in local matters.
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The man doing his damndest to pander some form of amnesty that will get him elected is about the last person in America with the credibility to discuss patriotism.
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I have always opposed federal mandates in local matters.
"Promoting American pride and patriotism" does not imply a federal mandate. I realize you hate Trump, and I'm not exactly enthralled with him myself, but perhaps we could be truthful about what he actually has said.
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The man doing his damndest to pander some form of amnesty that will get him elected is about the last person in America with the credibility to discuss patriotism.
Ultimately how I look at it. I don't believe for a second what flies out of his mouth based on the long track record, but I am opposed to shooting the messenger too. I get irked by negating a legitimate viewpoint because he accidentally said it.
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Making good little nationalist socialists...
The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), Christian socialist minister and author, to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored in 1892.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg)
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Donald Trump Pushes Patriotism in Schools
By Meghan Keneally
JOHN SANTUCCI
Sep 1, 2016, 10:06 AM ET
"We want young Americans to recite the pledge of allegiance," Trump said.
"We will stop apologizing for America, and we will start celebrating America. We will be united by our common culture, values and principles -- becoming one American nation. One country, under one constitution, saluting one American flag. And always saluting it," he said.
Even if that interferes with the Supreme Court ruling that says otherwise? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette
"The Witnesses taught and still teach that the obligation imposed by the law of God is superior to that of laws enacted by temporal government. Their religious beliefs include a literal version of Exodus, Chapter 20, verses 4 and 5, which says: 'Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them.' They consider that the flag is an 'image' within this command. For this reason they refused to salute the flag."
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Making good little nationalist socialists...
The Bellamy salute is the salute described by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), Christian socialist minister and author, to accompany the American Pledge of Allegiance, which he had authored in 1892.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg)
I don't have any issues with the pledge of allegiance in schools but I'm glad that someone recognizes the Bellamy Salute. Here in the USA they called it the Bellamy salute but it was actually quite common over much of the world prior to WWII. The origins go back to ancient Rome I believe.
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"We want young Americans to recite the pledge of allegiance."
And that’s all fine and good and I am not opposed to it nor of promoting patriotism and eliminating revisionist, anti-American history curriculums, but it is not a Federal matter one way or another nor should it be. I also do not think The Pledge (nor prayers in public schools) should be compulsory. As @Texas Yellow Rose mentioned - West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette.
And as @Suppressed noted, The Pledge of Allegiance has a bit of a controversial history. I was rather shocked when a few years ago, I learned the history of The Pledge of Allegiance and that the “One Nation Under God” was only added in 1954.
I am of the opinion that most of the Founding Fathers would not have been for it, especially making it compulsory.
If your child’s school doesn’t recite The Pledge of Allegiance and you think they should, take it up with your local school board or State school board or even better yet, get involved and run for your local school board.
But to me this statement by Trump is a lot like what he said last year – “If I’m president, you’re going to see ‘Merry Christmas’ in department stores, believe me, believe me. You’re going to see it.”
What is Trump going to do? Issue an EO that makes it mandatory? Impose a special tax or fee on all and any stores that don’t force their employees to say Merry Christmas to each and every customer? Fine anyone who says “Happy Holidays”? Would that apply to the Jewish deli, the Hindu owned Indian restaurant, the “humanist” book store?
FWIW:
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Ultimately how I look at it. I don't believe for a second what flies out of his mouth based on the long track record, but I am opposed to shooting the messenger too. I get irked by negating a legitimate viewpoint because he accidentally said it.
I look at it like the guy that goes out, getts sauced and sleeps with the local whore at the bar, then shows up Sunday morning in the pews with his wife and kids all buttoned down and pious.
Trump cheapens the message because of what he is and believes. Just like a Democrat crying about racism 24/7. They made the idea meaningless because there is no greater racist than a liberal democrat. And when the idea/word/words lose their meaning, that is a very, very bad thing.
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I ain't got a dog in this hunt other than to say.. you know a little patriotism wouldn't have hurt little Colin Whatshisname before the liberal washed it from the classroom.
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I ain't got a dog in this hunt other than to say.. you know a little patriotism wouldn't have hurt little Colin Whatshisname before the liberal washed it from the classroom.
I'd be happiest if every state would adopt constitutional and civics proficiency as a requirement for graduating from high school.
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Huh?
I have always opposed federal mandates in local matters.
Who said anything about a federal mandate?
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I'd be happiest if every state would adopt constitutional and civics proficiency as a requirement for graduating from high school.
Agreed! 888high58888
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I'd be happiest if every state would adopt constitutional and civics proficiency as a requirement for graduating from high school.
Wouldn't that first require that teachers and administrators and school boards know the Constitution and
basic civics?
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Who said anything about a federal mandate?
How else would a President "make" local schools to this?
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I'd be happiest if every state would adopt constitutional and civics proficiency as a requirement for graduating from high school.
And for voting.
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And for voting.
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How else would a President "make" local schools to this?
He didn't saying anything about making local schools do this.
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I'd be happiest if every state would adopt constitutional and civics proficiency as a requirement for graduating from high school.
I agree as long as it is not infected with political correctness and revisionist anti-American history.
When I graduated from HS, way, way, way, back in 1979, in Baltimore City no less, passing a civics class in the senior year was a requirement to graduate. IIRC, the class covered the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the three branches of government, how a bill becomes a law, etc.
The HS I went to was what would now be called a “magnet school”. I had to apply to get in, had to have had excellent grades and with zero disciplinary problems all through middle school along with two teacher recommendations. The school, while a public school, was also all girls but was at the time one of the very top rated public high schools in the country, rivaling even some local private schools and you could be booted out for not only failing grades but also for any disciplinary infractions which were pretty strict including a dress code and a code of honor.
As I was in the Advanced College Prep course and had excellent grades in all my previous history classes, so I was able to opt out of the civics class and instead could opt to take Advanced Political Thought instead of the basic civics class.
The Advanced Political Thought class started with the ancient Greeks and Romans, covered medieval feudalism and the Age of Enlightenment, the American and French revolutions, the industrial revolution and the social reforms that came about, and the rise of Communism and Socialism, modern liberalism vs. modern conservatism.
As I had enough credits for graduation in math and science and English in my senior year, I could take an elective course. While most in my position opted for the easiest of classes (gardening, folk dancing), I took Advanced European History (yes I was a bit of history nerd even then) and that class dovetailed nicely with the Political Thought class as they both covered the same time periods during the school year. So much so that my Advanced Political Thought teacher would say, “as those of you in Mr. Smith’s Advanced European History class already know” and “as those of you in Ms. Jones’ Political Thought class have already covered…
My Advanced Political Thought teacher was, as I recall was young and a liberal but she was a fair and balanced teacher.
In order to pass her class, you had to write a term paper (50% of the final grade was based on this) and it was really more of a thesis, and by thesis, it was really expected to be on at least a first year college level paper - a title page, an abstract, a table of contents, foot notes and attributions, bibliography and a conclusion.
I wrote my paper on Marx and Engle and the Communist Manifesto but from a conservative prospective; on why conservatism and a free market economy frees people while communism and socialism enslaves them.
I got an A.
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I agree as long as it is not infected with political correctness and revisionist anti-American history.
When I graduated from HS, way, way, way, back in 1979, in Baltimore City no less, passing a civics class in the senior year was a requirement to graduate. IIRC, the class covered the Constitution, Bill of Rights, the three branches of government, how a bill becomes a law, etc.
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I got an A.
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Wow. You sure were an over achiever!
I was just trying to get laid back then. I submitted a paper on the subject. It was rejected.
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I don't have any issues with the pledge of allegiance in schools but I'm glad that someone recognizes the Bellamy Salute. Here in the USA they called it the Bellamy salute but it was actually quite common over much of the world prior to WWII. The origins go back to ancient Rome I believe.
I recall someone getting zotted for posting information about Bellamy and that salute over at FR. I decided to learn more about it, after seeing that dangerous post! Nobody wanted to hear that the Pledge was designed to promote the federal government "One Nation" and prepare children for accepting socialism and authoritarianism.
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I recall someone getting zotted for posting information about Bellamy and that salute over at FR. I decided to learn more about it, after seeing that dangerous post! Nobody wanted to hear that the Pledge was designed to promote the federal government "One Nation" and prepare children for accepting socialism and authoritarianism.
I've got my grandmothers high school civics textbook from the 30s and even then they were pushing government as the savior that protects us from all ills.
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"We want young Americans to recite the pledge of allegiance."
And that’s all fine and good and I am not opposed to it nor of promoting patriotism and eliminating revisionist, anti-American history curriculums, but it is not a Federal matter one way or another nor should it be. I also do not think The Pledge (nor prayers in public schools) should be compulsory. As @Texas Yellow Rose mentioned - West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette.
@Neverdul
Yup!
And Robert Byrd's federally mandated Constitution Day always makes me shake my head. Good intention instituted in a perfectly self-defeating way. (An unconstitutional requirement to promote the Constitution!)
And as @Suppressed noted, The Pledge of Allegiance has a bit of a controversial history. I was rather shocked when a few years ago, I learned the history of The Pledge of Allegiance and that the “One Nation Under God” was only added in 1954.
One minor correction. It was only "under God" that was added in 1954. The "one nation, indivisible" was in there since the beginning, because that was part of the core of its intent -- to promote the Federal government over states.
I am of the opinion that most of the Founding Fathers would not have been for it, especially making it compulsory.
I like that you recognize there was a diversity of thought among the Founding Fathers, and there are those who would probably have liked it. But yes, most would have been quite against it!
But to me this statement by Trump is a lot like what he said last year – “If I’m president, you’re going to see ‘Merry Christmas’ in department stores, believe me, believe me. You’re going to see it.”
What is Trump going to do? Issue an EO that makes it mandatory? Impose a special tax or fee on all and any stores that don’t force their employees to say Merry Christmas to each and every customer? Fine anyone who says “Happy Holidays”? Would that apply to the Jewish deli, the Hindu owned Indian restaurant, the “humanist” book store?
"But he's our authoritarian!" --Trumpist cry
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I ain't got a dog in this hunt other than to say.. you know a little patriotism wouldn't have hurt little Colin Whatshisname before the liberal washed it from the classroom.
Admit it....you can't spell "Kaepernick", and was too lazy to look it up. :laugh:
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Admit it....you can't spell "Kaepernick", and was too lazy to look it up. :laugh:
I was trying to get laid. Didn't have time to look it up!
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How else would a President "make" local schools to this?
Like Bammie.......with a phone and a pen.
Withhold all funding...PERIOD>
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I was trying to get laid. Didn't have time to look it up!
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Wow. You sure were an over achiever!
I was just trying to get laid back then. I submitted a paper on the subject. It was rejected.
Nah, not so much an over achiever, just a nerd. As to getting laid, as I said, it was an all-girls school and I never swung that way. ^-^
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I've got my grandmothers high school civics textbook from the 30s and even then they were pushing government as the savior that protects us from all ills.
When I was in elementary school, every morning we said the Pledge Of Allegiance followed by singing a patriotic song – The Star Spangled Banner, God Bless America, America The Beautiful, My Country Tis Of Thee, Battle Hymn of the Republic, etc.
But one of those songs we sang was the Woody Guthrie’s This Land Is My Land. My dad was not very happy when I came home one day and sang it for him. My dad said that Guthrie was a dirty hippy commie. :silly:
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Nah, not so much an over achiever, just a nerd. As to getting laid, as I said, it was an all-girls school and I never swung that way. ^-^
Did you wear a uniform! 888sunglass
Do you still have it? :0001:
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Did you wear a uniform! 888sunglass
Do you still have it? :0001:
:smokin:
:nono: :silly:
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:nono: :silly:
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I was trying to get laid. Didn't have time to look it up!
Way too much information!
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Did you wear a uniform! 888sunglass
Do you still have it? :0001:
:smokin:
Must...fight...urge...to... mention....Zappa...
Failed.
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Must...fight...urge...to... mention....Zappa...
Failed.
The Mothers of Invention, "The Return of the Son of Monster Magnet" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF8Ng9v3vKc)
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When I was in elementary school, every morning we said the Pledge Of Allegiance followed by singing a patriotic song – The Star Spangled Banner, God Bless America, America The Beautiful, My Country Tis Of Thee, Battle Hymn of the Republic, etc.
In Pasadena, Texas (in the vicinity of San Jacinto) we sang a patriotic song too .... only one ... "Texas, Our Texas" ... our national anthem. To this day it is more meaningful than any other patriotic song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5uT3npcDmo