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Title: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Emjay on January 20, 2018, 01:56:48 am
The neighbor of Sen. Rand Paul who is accused of attacking the Kentucky Republican has been charged with a federal crime, the Department of Justice announced Friday.

Rene Boucher, 58, of Bowling Green, Ky., has been charged with assaulting a member of Congress, resulting in personal injury, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Indiana Josh Minkler announced.

On Nov. 3, Boucher allegedly "had enough" after seeing Paul stack brush onto a pile near the senator's property, according to court documents. Boucher then ran onto Paul's property and tackled him, leaving him with six broken ribs, the documents state.

Paul returned to the Senate two weeks after the incident. Earlier this month, he described the initial weeks of his recovery as "a living hell."

While Boucher has signed a plea agreement, no date has been set for him to enter his guilty plea, the Justice Department said. He faces up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000,
according to the agreement

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/369857-rand-pauls-alleged-attacker-charged-with-federal-crime (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/369857-rand-pauls-alleged-attacker-charged-with-federal-crime)
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Emjay on January 20, 2018, 01:57:37 am
I'm glad this guy is getting charged.  Rand sustained serious injuries.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Fantom on January 20, 2018, 01:59:09 am


He needs to be charged with more. A politically motivated attack..terrorism.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 02:10:14 am
Rand Paul's Attacker Pleads Guilty To Felony

[excerpt]

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/19/rand-pauls-attacker-pleads-guilty-to-felony/ (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/19/rand-pauls-attacker-pleads-guilty-to-felony/)

The Kentucky man who attacked Sen. Rand Paul last year pleaded guilty to a felony assault charge on Friday.

In the plea deal, Rene Boucher, a neighbor of Paul’s, admitted to tackling the Republican from behind while he was mowing his lawn in Bowling Green. Boucher said that he was triggered after seeing Paul stack a pile of brush near their mutual property line.

Boucher had “had enough,” he said, according to the plea agreement.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Victoria33 on January 20, 2018, 02:23:42 am
He could get up to 10 years.  He should at least get five years as he could have killed Paul by a broken rib entering his lung or his heart.  He needs to stay in prison at least 5 yrs. so he never attacks another person.  A slap on the wrist is not enough for this felony attack.  The fine of money means nothing - he needs prison time.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: ConservativeGranny on January 20, 2018, 02:32:51 am
He could get up to 10 years.  He should at least get five years as he could have killed Paul by a broken rib entering his lung or his heart.  He needs to stay in prison at least 5 yrs. so he never attacks another person.  A slap on the wrist is not enough for this felony attack.  The fine of money means nothing - he needs prison time.

And a psych exam.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 02:39:39 am
And a psych exam.

What for?

Help him reverse his conviction as a matter of diminished capacity?

Let him serve out his time in a prison psych ward being fed mind altering drugs as if they were vitamins?

What the hell good is That going to do?
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: austingirl on January 20, 2018, 02:40:03 am
Take away his medical license.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: 240B on January 20, 2018, 03:00:08 am
He could get up to 10 years.  He should at least get five years as he could have killed Paul by a broken rib entering his lung or his heart.  He needs to stay in prison at least 5 yrs. so he never attacks another person.  A slap on the wrist is not enough for this felony attack.  The fine of money means nothing - he needs prison time.


He should be charged with attempted murder. But the fines are just a criminal fine. I have no doubt that he will be sued civilly separately on so many levels. By the time the whole thing is over with, this guy will be in Federal prison, homeless, and bankrupt.


Rand Paul's lawyers will clean him out. IMO


And I do agree that he does need some kind of serious psychological help. He has certainly proved with no doubt that he is definitely a danger to self and others.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: libertybele on January 20, 2018, 03:01:59 am
10 years in prison and he'll have to be worried about more than brush near his 'property' line. 
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Fantom on January 20, 2018, 03:02:56 am
10 years in prison and he'll have to be worried about more than brush near his 'property' line.

Club fed.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 03:08:05 am

He should be charged with attempted murder. But the fines are just a criminal fine. I have no doubt that he will be sued civilly separately on so many levels. By the time the whole thing is over with, this guy will be in Federal prison, homeless, and bankrupt.


Rand Paul's lawyers will clean him out. IMO


And I do agree that he does need some kind of serious psychological help. He has certainly proved with no doubt that he is definitely a danger to self and others.


Define please.

Psychological 'Help' is an oxymoron.

The Pros make more money pushing drugs in a 5 minute Interview than they do in a 15 minute counseling session, and the drugs cause violence.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Emjay on January 20, 2018, 03:35:36 am
What for?

Help him reverse his conviction as a matter of diminished capacity?

Let him serve out his time in a prison psych ward being fed mind altering drugs as if they were vitamins?

What the hell good is That going to do?

I agree.  The guy obviously has mental problems but that doesn't mean he's insane.  It means that he is a bad person who apparently nursed a grudge against Rand for a long time.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: 240B on January 20, 2018, 03:47:08 am

Define please.

Psychological 'Help' is an oxymoron.

The Pros make more money pushing drugs in a 5 minute Interview than they do in a 15 minute counseling session, and the drugs cause violence.
@To-Whose-Benefit

I did define it. "A danger to self and others", is what I, and most people and organizations (such as the military or the police), define as someone who needs psychological help.

What this guy did was violent and crazy. Would you attack a Senator like that who is your next door neighbor or would you simply walk over and talk to him? Or, you can go to the city and file a complaint. Or you can go to court if you feel your property is being diminished in some way, and ask for damages. There is no question that what this guy did is the very definition of 'crazy', and in an aggressively violent way. He is a danger to society at large. What would happen if you cut him off in traffic?

However, I do concede your larger point. American psychology has become a pill factory for profit. And too often these pills do more damage than good to the patient. I agree with what you are getting at. There is real psychology as a medical profession. But in America, it has devolved into a vending machine for the pharmaceutical industries.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: ConservativeGranny on January 20, 2018, 05:50:36 am
What for?

Help him reverse his conviction as a matter of diminished capacity?

Let him serve out his time in a prison psych ward being fed mind altering drugs as if they were vitamins?

What the hell good is That going to do?

He obviously has some serious issues and is a danger to others. He is not going to go to prison for life. He'll be out again and the next time a neighbor lets their tree clippings fall on his lawn he may succeed in acting killing them this time. He's not going to spend his life in prison so what would you suggest would be a better way to protect his neighbors once he gets out?
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: ConservativeGranny on January 20, 2018, 05:58:35 am
I agree.  The guy obviously has mental problems but that doesn't mean he's insane.  It means that he is a bad person who apparently nursed a grudge against Rand for a long time.

As you said, he obviously has mental problems. There is a difference between that and being insane. Insane people have no sense of what is right and wrong. But I understand that talking about these types of issues isn't a popular topic among some here lately.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 06:05:15 am
To ALL of you supporting getting this guy psychological help.

What he did was ILLEGAL. What he did, from a Christian POV was EVIL.

What is it you don't get?

None of these Psychological 'Helpers' have ever cured Anyone of Anything.

So where do you get the idea that they're going cure him of EVIL, CRIMINAL behaviors?

What is the Disconnect?

Show me a Single Psychological Cure for Anything, Anytime, Anywhere.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 07:02:38 am
As you said, he obviously has mental problems. There is a difference between that and being insane. Insane people have no sense of what is right and wrong. But I understand that talking about these types of issues isn't a popular topic among some here lately.

You can talk about these types of issues till the cows come home.

Nothing is going to change the fact that the very Word 'Psychological' itself implies a verifiable falsehood.

Just Use the word 'Psychological' and a grey, impenetrable fog descends over people's otherwise functional Bullshit Detectors.

It is not Science. It is not Help. It is Bait and Switch.

If it were either Science or Beneficial it would not require a Lifetime of repeated Counseling/Brain Washing sessions.

If it had Any benefit that lasted beyond the next appointment, that benefit would become cumulative, and eventually there wouldn't be a Need for a lifetime of weekly or monthly, repeat applications, return appointments.

For Chrissakes the knowledge base Psychology comes from is a mish mash of Ancient Mythologies and Seances.

Carl Jung is the current Weathervane for this field.

He subdivided human personality into Archtypes based upon the old Greek Gods/Myths.

Show me where he ever took an honest look into himself in the mirror, because I have yet to find Procrustes who chopped off or stretched peoples limbs to perfectly fit his bed, among them.

Jung was a loud mouthed bully who shouted down other speakers at conferences, from the audience, used a 13 year old niece to research his seances, and then turned on her to characterize and malign her as a simpleton, a dumb, brutish, pathetic wretch.

He was a rabid Anti-Semite who blew sunshine up Hitler's skirts. Not in 1933, but in 1939 when everyone Knew what Hitler was.

When he finally figured out he'd backed the wrong horse he went to Switzerland to share his psychoanalysis of Hitler with Dulles, telling him he knew how to get the German People to surrender. Then Ike invaded France at Normandy. Tells you what Ike, FDR, Churchill, and Dulles thought of Jung and his Psychological Analysis.

If you're ever in a big, used book store, look at all the space Jung's writings take up.

One critic best pegged him as a 'Teutonic Gasbag'.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: ConservativeGranny on January 20, 2018, 02:39:50 pm
You can talk about these types of issues till the cows come home.

Nothing is going to change the fact that the very Word 'Psychological' itself implies a verifiable falsehood.

Just Use the word 'Psychological' and a grey, impenetrable fog descends over people's otherwise functional Bullshit Detectors.

It is not Science. It is not Help. It is Bait and Switch.

If it were either Science or Beneficial it would not require a Lifetime of repeated Counseling/Brain Washing sessions.

If it had Any benefit that lasted beyond the next appointment, that benefit would become cumulative, and eventually there wouldn't be a Need for a lifetime of weekly or monthly, repeat applications, return appointments.

For Chrissakes the knowledge base Psychology comes from is a mish mash of Ancient Mythologies and Seances.

Carl Jung is the current Weathervane for this field.

He subdivided human personality into Archtypes based upon the old Greek Gods/Myths.

Show me where he ever took an honest look into himself in the mirror, because I have yet to find Procrustes who chopped off or stretched peoples limbs to perfectly fit his bed, among them.

Jung was a loud mouthed bully who shouted down other speakers at conferences, from the audience, used a 13 year old niece to research his seances, and then turned on her to characterize and malign her as a simpleton, a dumb, brutish, pathetic wretch.

He was a rabid Anti-Semite who blew sunshine up Hitler's skirts. Not in 1933, but in 1939 when everyone Knew what Hitler was.

When he finally figured out he'd backed the wrong horse he went to Switzerland to share his psychoanalysis of Hitler with Dulles, telling him he knew how to get the German People to surrender. Then Ike invaded France at Normandy. Tells you what Ike, FDR, Churchill, and Dulles thought of Jung and his Psychological Analysis.

If you're ever in a big, used book store, look at all the space Jung's writings take up.

One critic best pegged him as a 'Teutonic Gasbag'.

And to think I used to come here for rational discussion.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 02:45:20 pm
And to think I used to come here for rational discussion.

You haven't discussed anything.

If you want Discussion, you'll need to bring something To the discussion.


Carl Jung in Hearst's International Cosmopolitan magazine 1939.

About Hitler, Jung says, "There is no question but that Hitler belongs in the category of the truly mystic medicine man. As somebody commented about him at the last Nuremberg party congress, since the time of Mohammed nothing like it has been seen in this world. This markedly mystic characteristic of Hitler's is what makes him do things which seem to us illogical, inexplicable, curious and unreasonable...So you see, Hitler is a medicine man, a form of a spiritual vessel, a demi-deity or, even better, a myth."
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: mountaineer on January 20, 2018, 02:51:42 pm
And to think I used to come here for rational discussion.
Sometimes a thread jumps the rails. Hang in there!  ^-^
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 03:05:49 pm
Sometimes a thread jumps the rails. Hang in there!  ^-^

If anyone needs sources, batten down your hatches.

This field and its Government Agency, the NIMH, have between 20% to 25% of everyone suffering from an Incurable Mental Illness.

Anyone want to discuss the ridiculousness of that, rationally?
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Emjay on January 20, 2018, 05:04:32 pm
7

I hate it as much as the next guy, when a gray, impenetrable fog overcomes me.

But, seriously, you told me a lot I didn't know about Carl Jung.  I will consider it the next time someone cites him as an authority.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Emjay on January 20, 2018, 05:10:07 pm
Sometimes a thread jumps the rails. Hang in there!  ^-^

It usually jumps the rails when you hit on someone's big issue and that opens up a can of something.

Obviously, Benefit has serious problems with psychotherapy and I think he's right in a lot of what he says.

He's certainly studied it more than I have.

One problem I have with an insanity defense is that it's insane.  Anybody who murders or commits assault is a little (or a lot) off.  But if you can get a jury to fall for an insanity defense, it often results in far shorter incarceration and early release.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 05:12:32 pm
I hate it as much as the next guy, when a gray, impenetrable fog overcomes me.

But, seriously, you told me a lot I didn't know about Carl Jung.  I will consider it the next time someone cites him as an authority.

I'm not the be all end all expert by any means.

Richard Noll is.

Richard Noll is a clinical psychologist and historian of medicine. His books and scholarly articles have been, or are in the process of being, translated into fourteen languages. His books have won awards from the British Medical Association, the Association of American Publishers, and Cheiron, the International Society for the History of the Behavioral and Social Sciences. Previously Lecturer in the History of Science at Harvard University and a Resident Fellow at the Dibner Institute for the History of Science and Technology at MIT.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Noll (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Noll)


https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Noll/e/B001HCVOJQ/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1516467991&sr=1-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Noll/e/B001HCVOJQ/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1516467991&sr=1-1)

https://www.amazon.com/Aryan-Christ-Secret-Life-Carl/dp/0679449450/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 (https://www.amazon.com/Aryan-Christ-Secret-Life-Carl/dp/0679449450/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8)

https://www.amazon.com/Jung-Cult-Origins-Charismatic-Movement/dp/0684834235/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8 (https://www.amazon.com/Jung-Cult-Origins-Charismatic-Movement/dp/0684834235/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8)


Noll got flak from the Jung family over his research. They blocked him from further accessing Carl Jung's papers in a Govt. Archive rather than have any more truth about their family claim to fame come out.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 20, 2018, 05:24:20 pm
It usually jumps the rails when you hit on someone's big issue and that opens up a can of something.

Obviously, Benefit has serious problems with psychotherapy and I think he's right in a lot of what he says.

{They literally ate my family, alive, before it dawned on me just who and what they were. My wife started seeing a 'Therapist' to help her deal with some old wounds she acquired before we were married. Within months, I was married to Sybil. Never knew Who was going to be in the room when I came back from the kitchen. Then the afternoon arrived when she knocked over her purse. 7, yes Seven, different prescription mind altering drugs spilled out of it onto the floor. Taking them all at the same time, each one to deal with a differing concatenation of 'Side Effects' the others induced.}

He's certainly studied it more than I have.

One problem I have with an insanity defense is that it's insane.  Anybody who murders or commits assault is a little (or a lot) off.  But if you can get a jury to fall for an insanity defense, it often results in far shorter incarceration and early release.


Absolutely! As for him being a Danger to Society, that's not the business of Medicine to Control. It's the purview of the Courts.

That's what we Have prisons for in the first place.

Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: musiclady on January 20, 2018, 05:26:34 pm
I agree.  The guy obviously has mental problems but that doesn't mean he's insane.  It means that he is a bad person who apparently nursed a grudge against Rand for a long time.

I'm inclined to agree with you here in part.   I don't think that abject hatred and rage are an indication that he's mentally ill.

Sometimes the problem is one of the heart and not of the mind.

I'd like to see this guy lose his license and spend more than 5 years in prison for attempted murder of someone simply because he opposed his politics.  (The brush excuse is a bunch of hooey).
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: ConservativeGranny on January 21, 2018, 05:04:14 am
You haven't discussed anything.

If you want Discussion, you'll need to bring something To the discussion.


Carl Jung in Hearst's International Cosmopolitan magazine 1939.

About Hitler, Jung says, "There is no question but that Hitler belongs in the category of the truly mystic medicine man. As somebody commented about him at the last Nuremberg party congress, since the time of Mohammed nothing like it has been seen in this world. This markedly mystic characteristic of Hitler's is what makes him do things which seem to us illogical, inexplicable, curious and unreasonable...So you see, Hitler is a medicine man, a form of a spiritual vessel, a demi-deity or, even better, a myth."

You don't want to discuss anything. I made a one sentence comment about a guy who attacked someone needing a psych exam and you took that opportunity to attack the mental health field including some quote about Hitler? I don't know why you seem to want to pick a fight but  you seem very angry and I'm not willing to be your punching bag today.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 21, 2018, 07:28:55 am
You don't want to discuss anything. I made a one sentence comment about a guy who attacked someone needing a psych exam and you took that opportunity to attack the mental health field including some quote about Hitler? I don't know why you seem to want to pick a fight but  you seem very angry and I'm not willing to be your punching bag today.

I have merely shown you where the concept itself of Mental Health comes from.

There is much, much more to be said about it than I have offered here.

I made a one sentence comment about a guy who attacked someone needing a psych exam

Why? To What End? For What Purpose? Your comment implies that someone, either the guy who attacked Rand Paul or a bunch of unspecified somebodies (Society at Large) would benefit from him getting a Psych Exam.

HOW? In What Way?

What do you expect the Psych/s doing the exam to Do?

Cure Him?

The only people Psychs ever cure are Themselves and their Co-Workers, and That, is Chargeable Federal Civil Rights Crime.

http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs (http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs)

This is a Screaming, Slam Dunk Violation of the patient's 5th and 14th Amendment Rights.

Understand this with perfect, unflinching clarity.

A Psychiatric/Psychological 'Diagnosis' is an Opinion, not fact, and it is a Lifetime Stink. Anyone who gets suckered into being pasted with a 'Diagnosis' has their entire Life dumped into the Toilet in more ways than I have time, or you have the interest, to go through.

A Psych Exam/Diagnosis is Forever. It doesn't expire. It is a legal nightmare and the only road out of it is to go to Court where the Victim will run into the same Laissez Faire, 'I don't know about that and I don't care about that' from Judges which your desire to just Dump it into the Psych's laps advocates.

If you wish to discuss this then Discuss it based on actual Fact and Verifiable information.

Not on uniformed "Well, Everybody Knows Psychs are the Experts in this Area. Let Them Deal With It."

Psychs are not the experts on this issue.

Psychiatrists Are Not Reliable Expert Witnesses

http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2014/11/psychiatrists-and-psychologists-not.html?m=0 (http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2014/11/psychiatrists-and-psychologists-not.html?m=0)

They are Multiple Unindicted Federal Felons, Racketeers and Federal Civil Rights Statute Violators.


You don't know Why I seem to want to pick a fight?

I don't know Why you're calling yourself a Conservative since your preconceptions/misconceptions identify you as someone who doesn't give a Hoot for the Bill of Rights itself.


I can teach it to you, but I can't learn it for you.

Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: WingNot on January 21, 2018, 01:29:58 pm
Sometimes a thread jumps the rails. Hang in there!  ^-^

We are the "Amtrak" of political discussion sites.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: mountaineer on January 21, 2018, 01:43:03 pm
Nothing new.
(https://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20161120&t=2&i=1162406290&r=LYNXMPECAJ0E7&w=940)
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: ConstitutionRose on January 21, 2018, 04:02:07 pm
It would seem "alleged" is no longer appropriate as he has signed a plea agreement.   For that matter he has admitted the attack in the course of the state charges.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 21, 2018, 05:24:54 pm
And to think I used to come here for rational discussion.

And you stay...why?  Irrational discussion?
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Oceander on January 21, 2018, 05:26:07 pm
I have merely shown you where the concept itself of Mental Health comes from.

There is much, much more to be said about it than I have offered here.

I made a one sentence comment about a guy who attacked someone needing a psych exam

Why? To What End? For What Purpose? Your comment implies that someone, either the guy who attacked Rand Paul or a bunch of unspecified somebodies (Society at Large) would benefit from him getting a Psych Exam.

HOW? In What Way?

What do you expect the Psych/s doing the exam to Do?

Cure Him?

The only people Psychs ever cure are Themselves and their Co-Workers, and That, is Chargeable Federal Civil Rights Crime.

http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs (http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/search/label/California%20Diversion%20Programs)

This is a Screaming, Slam Dunk Violation of the patient's 5th and 14th Amendment Rights.

Understand this with perfect, unflinching clarity.

A Psychiatric/Psychological 'Diagnosis' is an Opinion, not fact, and it is a Lifetime Stink. Anyone who gets suckered into being pasted with a 'Diagnosis' has their entire Life dumped into the Toilet in more ways than I have time, or you have the interest, to go through.

A Psych Exam/Diagnosis is Forever. It doesn't expire. It is a legal nightmare and the only road out of it is to go to Court where the Victim will run into the same Laissez Faire, 'I don't know about that and I don't care about that' from Judges which your desire to just Dump it into the Psych's laps advocates.

If you wish to discuss this then Discuss it based on actual Fact and Verifiable information.

Not on uniformed "Well, Everybody Knows Psychs are the Experts in this Area. Let Them Deal With It."

Psychs are not the experts on this issue.

Psychiatrists Are Not Reliable Expert Witnesses

http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2014/11/psychiatrists-and-psychologists-not.html?m=0 (http://psychroaches.blogspot.com/2014/11/psychiatrists-and-psychologists-not.html?m=0)

They are Multiple Unindicted Federal Felons, Racketeers and Federal Civil Rights Statute Violators.


You don't know Why I seem to want to pick a fight?

I don't know Why you're calling yourself a Conservative since your preconceptions/misconceptions identify you as someone who doesn't give a Hoot for the Bill of Rights itself.


I can teach it to you, but I can't learn it for you.



:facepalm2:
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 21, 2018, 05:37:57 pm
:facepalm2:

Did I or did I not tell you not to pee on my leg and tell me it's raining, . . . Troll?

You prepared to offer anything Cogent, . . . beyond a Smiley Icon?
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Oceander on January 21, 2018, 05:55:56 pm
Did I or did I not tell you not to pee on my leg and tell me it's raining, . . . Troll?

You prepared to offer anything Cogent, . . . beyond a Smiley Icon?

You don’t deserve anything more cogent because it’s clear beyond any peradventure that you wouldn’t accept the word of God if it wasn’t completely in line with your own half-educated biases and assumptions.

You’re a little like Marx, who took a good insight and ruined it with too much half-witted ideology.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 21, 2018, 06:17:37 pm
You don’t deserve anything more cogent because it’s clear beyond any peradventure that you wouldn’t accept the word of God if it wasn’t completely in line with your own half-educated biases and assumptions.

You’re a little like Marx, who took a good insight and ruined it with too much half-witted ideology.


You're object appears to be goading me into giving you a response that will get the Moderators to jump in and lock this thread down.

Sorry Charlie, only the Best get to to be Star Kissed, . . .  off.

The official Govt supported, funded, and protected Agenda, demonstrated in information I've already shared out is to boot at least 10% of everyone out of employment and onto Lifetime SSDI payouts and turn them into drug addicts at Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, and Private Insurer expense.

You OK with that?

My own half-educated biases and assumptions?

I said Cogent. Off the cuff, unsupported or referenced insults don't qualify as Cogent.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Oceander on January 21, 2018, 06:21:19 pm

You're object appears to be goading me into giving you a response that will get the Moderators to jump in and lock this thread down.

Sorry Charlie, only the Best get to to be Star Kissed, . . .  off.

The official Govt supported, funded, and protected Agenda, demonstrated in information I've already shared out is to boot at least 10% of everyone out of employment and onto Lifetime SSDI payouts and turn them into drug addicts at Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, and Private Insurer expense.

You OK with that?

My own half-educated biases and assumptions?

I said Cogent. Off the cuff, unsupported or referenced insults don't qualify as Cogent.

Nope.  I said exactly what I meant.  And you’ve just proven my point.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 21, 2018, 06:30:48 pm
Nope.  I said exactly what I meant.  And you’ve just proven my point.  Thanks.

Wear a hat.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Emjay on January 21, 2018, 06:31:13 pm
But ... what about the guy who attacked Rand Paul?

Can't we be mad at him?
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: WingNot on January 21, 2018, 06:32:32 pm
But ... what about the guy who attacked Rand Paul?

Can't we be mad at him?

It is better to be mad at one another. 
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 21, 2018, 06:33:38 pm
But ... what about the guy who attacked Rand Paul?

Can't we be mad at him?

 :jail:

Yes we can.

This guy and his act are what we Have prisons for!
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Emjay on January 21, 2018, 06:47:26 pm
:jail:

Yes we can.

This guy and his act are what we Have prisons for!

Exactly ... and everybody agrees on that (I think)
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Oceander on January 21, 2018, 07:03:22 pm
Exactly ... and everybody agrees on that (I think)

I do.   
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 21, 2018, 07:21:05 pm
I do.

Well that's certainly, something.

The TBR Illuminati has joined the ranks of #MeToo.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Oceander on January 21, 2018, 07:23:22 pm
Well that's certainly, something.

The TBR Illuminati has joined the ranks of #MeToo.

Poor widdle snowflake
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Mod2 on January 21, 2018, 07:34:15 pm
The topic of this thread is the guy who attacked Sen. Paul. No more namecalling. Please stay on topic.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Fishrrman on January 22, 2018, 12:50:57 am
Nothing new.
(https://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20161120&t=2&i=1162406290&r=LYNXMPECAJ0E7&w=940)

That doesn't look like an Amtrak train.
That doesn't even look like America...
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: mountaineer on January 22, 2018, 01:42:06 am
It was India.  Just thought it was a magnificent train wreck.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Fantom on January 22, 2018, 01:57:06 am
The topic of this thread is the guy who attacked Sen. Paul. No more namecalling. Please stay on topic.

Wow, that certainly came out of lawn and garden. 

Sorry, just had to say it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: WingNot on January 22, 2018, 01:57:59 am
It was India.  Just thought it was a magnificent train wreck.   :laugh:

It was glorious.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Victoria33 on January 22, 2018, 02:01:30 am
@To-Whose-Benefit

However, I do concede your larger point. American psychology has become a pill factory for profit. And too often these pills do more damage than good to the patient. I agree with what you are getting at. There is real psychology as a medical profession. But in America, it has devolved into a vending machine for the pharmaceutical industries.
@240B

No, not American psychologists - we can't give pills.  It is American psychiatrists who give pills.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: Victoria33 on January 22, 2018, 02:09:57 am
And to think I used to come here for rational discussion.
@ConservativeGranny

I believe To Whose Benefit might benefit from psychological counseling as he goes into a rage when mental health counselors of any kind come up.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: 240B on January 22, 2018, 02:23:55 am
@240B

No, not American psychologists - we can't give pills.  It is American psychiatrists who give pills.
@Victoria33


That is absolutely true. Thank you. I know what you are explaining very well. I simply wrote the wrong word in a casual unthinking way. I should have written psychiatry, not psychology.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: WingNot on January 22, 2018, 02:27:14 am
@Victoria33


That is absolutely true. Thank you. I know what you are explaining very well. I simply wrote the wrong word in a casual unthinking way. I should have written psychiatry, not psychology.

No worries.  Psychology is like the practice of Chiropractics is to real medicine.
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 22, 2018, 07:24:10 am
@ConservativeGranny

I believe To Whose Benefit might benefit from psychological counseling as he goes into a rage when mental health counselors of any kind come up.


(http://www.texemarrs.com/images/witchdoctor1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rand Paul’s alleged attacker charged with federal crime
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 22, 2018, 08:25:21 am
@240B

No, not American psychologists - we can't give pills.  It is American psychiatrists who give pills.


we can't give pills?????


Wrong rejoinder.

Glosses over the established practice of one Doctor/Medical Practitioner referring the patient to another Doctor/Medical Practitioner.

Look up the law.

It's called being a 'Principle in the case'.


More Psychological, Butt Covering Misdirection.