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Briefing Room Polls (Guests Welcome!) => The Briefingroom Polls => Topic started by: Dexter on November 21, 2018, 04:27:49 am
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I find it weird that it's illegal for a woman to get paid for sex unless there's a camera recording and it's uploaded to the internet for money. Should two adults be able to engage in this behavior? I think if it were legalized it would be easier to ensure the safety of both parties. It'd also create more tax revenue. Also people are just going to do it anyway. How many police resources get wasted on stopping people from paying for sex? It seems ridiculous to me. When you try to force people to not do this all you're doing is increasing crime. Let's stop funding the black market with bad laws.
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Yes. I am always looking for new cash revenue streams....
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Assuming that, as a matter of theory, it should be legal because consenting adults should generally be left to run their own lives as they please, it is possible to prevent women (or men, for that matter) who don’t wish to engage in the business from being forced into it? And is blanket prohibition simply the only way to prevent legalizing sex slavery.
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Assuming that, as a matter of theory, it should be legal because consenting adults should generally be left to run their own lives as they please, it is possible to prevent women (or men, for that matter) who don’t wish to engage in the business from being forced into it? And is blanket prohibition simply the only way to prevent legalizing sex slavery.
I think sex slavery would be diminished with legalization because legal businesses would take an enormous chunk out of overall sex traffic. That makes the whole process a lot harder for sex slavers because they have a lot less funds and most people will be looking for a legal business rather that some sketchy illegal sex trafficker. Also legalization would lead to regulations to ensure the girls don't have STDs and to make sure they're not being forced to make the choice to be a sex worker; there'd be regular checkups and verification for these things.
Legal prostitution would reduce the spread of STDs. Nothing good is happening as a result of us trying to prevent this practice. I can't think of a single element of this that won't improve with legalization.
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I think sex slavery would be diminished with legalization because legal businesses would take an enormous chunk out of overall sex traffic. That makes the whole process a lot harder for them because they have a lot less funds and most people will be looking for a legal business rather that some sketchy pimp. Also legalization would lead to regulations to ensure the girls don't have STDs; there'd be regular checkups and verification.
Legal prostitution would reduce the spread of STDs. Nothing good is happening as a result of us trying to prevent this practice. I can't think of a single element of this that won't improve with legalization.
Legalization also makes it a lot easier to run a sex slave ring out in the open. Do you really think most customers are going to check first to make sure the girl is really there of her own free will, and will question her carefully to make sure she’s not just lying because of threats of violence from the pimp or madam? If not the customers, then who? Will we have a massive force of sex inspectors going to every place where sex might conceivably be sold to check that each and every purveyor is really selling herself or himself voluntarily? At that point, making it illegal may simply be the most cost-effective solution; that is, not without its own costs, but still less costly than the alternative.
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Do you really think most customers are going to check first to make sure the girl is really there of her own free will, and will question her carefully to make sure she’s not just lying because of threats of violence from the pimp or madam? If not the customers, then who?
The government can do that and it can be paid for with the taxes generated. Even more jobs. You could tax the shit out of that industry and it would still be profitable. Other countries have clearly demonstrated that this can be done well. Also I don't see how sex slavery doesn't become much less common with legalization. It pulls a giant chunk of it out of the black market. The whole situation becomes a lot less dangerous when it becomes legal. That's true for pretty much any service or product that people want.
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The government can do that and it can be paid for with the taxes generated. Even more jobs. You could tax the shit out of that industry and it would still be profitable. Other countries have clearly demonstrated that this can be done well. Also I don't see how sex slavery doesn't become much less common with legalization. It pulls a giant chunk of it out of the black market. The whole situation becomes a lot less dangerous when it becomes legal. That's true for pretty much any service or product that people want.
Legalizing prostitution makes it easier to run sex slavery, not harder, because the business now has the blessing of the government.
And taxing the shit out of it doesn’t make it better; taxing it at the same level at which cigarettes are taxed, for example, would simply encourage even more illegal behavior.
You really seem to have wasted that six years in college.
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The government can do that and it can be paid for with the taxes generated. Even more jobs. You could tax the shit out of that industry and it would still be profitable. Other countries have clearly demonstrated that this can be done well. Also I don't see how sex slavery doesn't become much less common with legalization. It pulls a giant chunk of it out of the black market. The whole situation becomes a lot less dangerous when it becomes legal. That's true for pretty much any service or product that people want.
If you tax it, you're still going to have "black market" prostitution which then defeats the purpose of the whole thing.
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Pimpin ain't easy.
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you're still going to have "black market" prostitution
Not nearly as much.
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Legalizing prostitution makes it easier to run sex slavery, not harder, because the business now has the blessing of the government.
And taxing the shit out of it doesn’t make it better; taxing it at the same level at which cigarettes are taxed, for example, would simply encourage even more illegal behavior.
You really seem to have wasted that six years in college.
The situation overall would be better if it was legal and taxed.
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Pimpin ain't easy.
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The situation overall would be better if it was legal and taxed.
That is a conclusion desperately seeking facts to support it. Maybe find some support that takes the additional costs into account as well as the starry-eyed benefits.
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That is a conclusion desperately seeking facts to support it. Maybe find some support that takes the additional costs into account as well as the starry-eyed benefits.
There sure seems to be a lot of conservatives that aren’t liberty minded at all.
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How about simply "de-criminalize" it with no taxes or regulation?
IOW if I want to date a gal, enjoy a walk, then a meal, and sex later, why can't I simply pay an agreed fee?
Same for a movie,, a day at the zoo, or just a roll in the hay so to speak? My place or hers.
Taxing and regulation are not needed, in my reckoning.
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How about simply "de-criminalize" it with no taxes or regulation?
IOW if I want to date a gal, enjoy a walk, then a meal, and sex later, why can't I simply pay an agreed fee?
Same for a movie,, a day at the zoo, or just a roll in the hay so to speak? My place or hers.
Taxing and regulation are not needed, in my reckoning.
You don’t snatch that business from the black market unless you let people start businesses. I want our economy to take giant bites out of black market cash flow.
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What needs to happen is that the johns get penalized for their crime, and investigations take place to find out if the prostitutes are sex slaves with heavy penalties and jail time for the slave owners/pimps.
As long as prostitutes are punished and johns go free, there will be great injustice in the system. Many of them are enslaved by their pimps and forced into prostitution. I know that there has been progress lately in calling the pimps to account as well as those who solicit their 'services' but much progress needs to take place.
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There sure seems to be a lot of conservatives that aren’t liberty minded at all.
Slavery isn't liberty.
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There sure seems to be a lot of conservatives that aren’t liberty minded at all.
Giving the government’s imprimatur to an enterprise that enslaves young vulnerable women for your sexual gratification is not the sort of liberty interest that should be advocated for by those who actually care about liberty and freedom.
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You don’t snatch that business from the black market unless you let people start businesses. I want our economy to take giant bites out of black market cash flow.
Uh, the black market is, by definition, already part of the economy.
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Oh..this is a nice Thanksgiving thread and poll.... :facepalm:
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Slavery isn't liberty.
I think the overall situation would be better if we did it like I said. We’d reduce crime and free up police resources. Bad things would still happen sometimes but it would be a lot easier to mitigate those problems if it wasn’t all in the black market. Consenting adults shouldn’t be punished for monetizing sex.
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Uh, the black market is, by definition, already part of the economy.
You are being pedantic. You know what I mean.
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Giving the government’s imprimatur to an enterprise that enslaves young vulnerable women for your sexual gratification is not the sort of liberty interest that should be advocated for by those who actually care about liberty and freedom.
If you actually want less sex slavery you should support my way. Do you really think the situation would get worse compared to now when everything is handled by pimps and traffickers? Yikes...
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Oh..this is a nice Thanksgiving thread and poll.... :facepalm:
I didn’t mean to ruin the holiday Myst.
Thank you for being so tolerant of me even though I make it difficult sometimes. <3
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Yes. Why should politicians be the only ones legally allowed to sell their asses for cash?
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Legalizing prostitution makes it easier to run sex slavery, not harder, because the business now has the blessing of the government.
@Oceander
Wrong! It makes it easier to hide alongside voluntary prostitution,since both are illegal. Chances are legal pros would call the cops on sex slaves if they spotted them because of the competition,if for no other reason.
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Giving the government’s imprimatur to an enterprise that enslaves young vulnerable women for your sexual gratification is not the sort of liberty interest that should be advocated for by those who actually care about liberty and freedom.
And, in fact there was a recent story that found a number of unwilling participants in prostitution in a brothel in that Nevada county where it is legal.
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Slavery isn't liberty.
@musiclady
Bet you don't say that to your cult leader on Sunday.
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Bet you don't say that to your cult leader on Sunday.
Oh, grow up. @@@girlfight
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I think the overall situation would be better if we did it like I said. We’d reduce crime and free up police resources. Bad things would still happen sometimes but it would be a lot easier to mitigate those problems if it wasn’t all in the black market. Consenting adults shouldn’t be punished for monetizing sex.
Consenting adults??
Get yourself educated on the subject before voicing an opinion on it.
If a young girl is enslaved at 15 or 16 and forced to have sex with filthy old men, she does not become a "consenting adult" on her 18th birthday.
I agree totally with @Oceander. You are speaking on a subject that you are completely ignorant about.
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Oh, grow up. @@@girlfight
See why I have him on permanent Ignore?
So I only see his bigoted, ignorant comments in other people's quotes and never when they are directed at me.
His intelligence is swallowed up by his hatred, and it's sad.
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Consenting adults??
Get yourself educated on the subject before voicing an opinion on it.
If a young girl is enslaved at 15 or 16 and forced to have sex with filthy old men, she does not become a "consenting adult" on her 18th birthday.
I agree totally with @Oceander. You are speaking on a subject that you are completely ignorant about.
I’m not talking about 16 year olds. It’ll be easier to mitigate that after legalization.
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@musiclady
Bet you don't say that to your cult leader on Sunday.
I like you Pete, and I think you’re a smart dude. You can do whatever you want, but I would appreciate it if you weren’t disrespectful to members in my threads.
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I’m not talking about 16 year olds. It’ll be easier to mitigate that after legalization.
You're talking about girls who were enslaved when they were underage, but are now adults. They may be of adult age, but they are NOT consenting......even if they are so brainwashed that they say they are.
Until you include that in your arguments, you are missing a crucial piece of information about these women.
Again. Educate yourself to what is really going on. Truth is your friend.
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You're talking about girls who were enslaved when they were underage, but are now adults. They may be of adult age, but they are NOT consenting......even if they are so brainwashed that they say they are.
Until you include that in your arguments, you are missing a crucial piece of information about these women.
Again. Educate yourself to what is really going on. Truth is your friend.
The number of victims will go down if it’s not all handled by pimps and traffickers.
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I like you Pete, and I think you’re a smart dude. You can do whatever you want, but I would appreciate it if you weren’t disrespectful to members in my threads.
@Dexter
Why? Church Ladies are never respectful to anyone else on any thread that isn't a fellow cult member.
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Why? Church Ladies are never respectful to anyone else on any thread that isn't a fellow cult member.
:silly: You probably don't realize how silly you sound, Pete.
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@Dexter
Why? Church Ladies are never respectful to anyone else on any thread that isn't a fellow cult member.
You shouldn’t let the behavior of others diminish the quality of your own behavior. Be the example. Just a thought.
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If a guy wants to pay for a piece of ass who am an I to argue with that?
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The number of victims will go down if it’s not all handled by pimps and traffickers.
You have greater faith in your fellow man than I do, Dexter.
btw, thanks for standing up for me here. But it would take a modicum of self-discipline to make pete stop coming after me, and he just doesn't have it. (I never say a word about him other than to defend myself against his smears. This war is entirely one-sided............. and really dumb).
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Howabout no, because it is wrong.
The further coarsening of culture.
And the beat goes on.
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If a guy wants to pay for a piece of ass who am an I to argue with that?
:thumbsup:
As long as the women is of legal age and willing, I see it as none of my business.
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Howabout no, because it is wrong.
The further coarsening of culture.
And the beat goes on.
@roamer_1
In that case it is an activity you shouldn't participate in.
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@roamer_1
In that case it is an activity you shouldn't participate in.
No, it is an activity that no one should participate in.
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Howabout no, because it is wrong.
The further coarsening of culture.
And the beat goes on.
Lighten up buddy, there is a reason it's called the oldest profession. And when practiced by a real pro
it was a respected profession to the ancients.
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Lighten up buddy, there is a reason it's called the oldest profession. And when practiced by a real pro
it was a respected profession to the ancients.
If you actually research your statement, you will find it to be craven and incorrect.
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You have greater faith in your fellow man than I do, Dexter.
Yeah. :-(
Also you and Pete are both quality people. I bet you two could decide to resolve your differences. Pete may not like your God but I find it hard to believe that deep down he doesn’t know you’re a smart and principled lady. I bet you can sense something similar in him. That’s probably part of why you two have issues.
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No, it is an activity that no one should participate in.
You want to use the law to impose your views on other free people?
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Like Congress?
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You want to use the law to impose your views on other free people?
No, it is you who is imposing.
If you want prostitution so bad, move to Nevada.
Or work to change the laws where you are.
Don't impose your immoral views upon me.
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No, it is you who is imposing
No, nobody is trying to force you to do anything in this instance. You want to decide what’s acceptable for other people. You want the government to force your view on others.
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No, nobody is trying to force you to do anything in this instance. You want to decide what’s acceptable for other people. You want the government to force your view on others.
That is called LAW. And it should be administered close to the people. As in state law and county ordinance. And that is just fine with me.
In a federalist system, you can go where it best suits you.
So move to Nevada and more power to you.
Leave me and mine alone.
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That is called LAW. And it should be administered close to the people. As in state law and county ordinance. And that is just fine with me.
In a federalist system, you can go where it best suits you.
So move to Nevada and more power to you.
Leave me and mine alone.
There are consenting adults where you live that want to engage in these behaviors. You want the government to tell them they can’t, and that if they do it anyway they can lose their freedom. You’re not consistent in principle. It’s okay to use the government to control people as long as you approve of how people are being controlled.
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There are consenting adults where you live that want to engage in these behaviors. You want the government to tell them they can’t, and that if they do it anyway they can lose their freedom. You’re not consistent in principle. It’s okay to use the government to control people as long as you approve of how people are being controlled.
I am absolutely consistent in principle. I am Conservative, and therefore a federalist. Law is fine with me... Local law. You are trying to shove your immorality down my throat from a statist position. Federal law.
Never content to let the various states work according to their design...
Like I said. You literally have no right to impose your sensibilities on me.
Do your thing where you are, and leave me the hell alone.
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So Fed Gov can create more regulations and governing bodies? No thanks.
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Yeah. :-(
Also you and Pete are both quality people. I bet you two could decide to resolve your differences. Pete may not like your God but I find it hard to believe that deep down he doesn’t know you’re a smart and principled lady. I bet you can sense something similar in him. That’s probably part of why you two have issues.
We can't resolve our differences because he hates the principles I live by and he hates the Savior whom I love. I never say anything to him because it isn't worth the pain he tries to inflict on me (even when I say nothing at all). He just despises who I am, and I can't do a blasted thing about that.
Wishing you all a Blessed Thanksgiving. My sisters and their families are coming (we already had Thanksgiving with our kids).
God is GOOD, and we still have much to be thankful for.
@Dexter
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Local law.
So you’re fine with local laws that restrict the liberty or other free people based on your preferences.
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So Fed Gov can create more regulations and governing bodies? No thanks.
The government is a better boss than pimps and sex traffickers.
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I am absolutely consistent in principle. I am Conservative, and therefore a federalist. Law is fine with me... Local law. You are trying to shove your immorality down my throat from a statist position. Federal law.
Never content to let the various states work according to their design...
Like I said. You literally have no right to impose your sensibilities on me.
Do your thing where you are, and leave me the hell alone.
Absolutely so.
These people have Nevada, we don't need this law where people don't vote for it or want it. There's community values too. There's still "We the people".
Like John Adams said, the Constitution could be dangerous if the people were not moral AND religious.
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So you’re fine with local laws that restrict the liberty or other free people based on your preferences.
No, based on OUR preferences. Our local preferences. If I didn't like it here, I would move.
The problem is, your one-size-fits-all intention, dictated from 3000 miles away, means that it wouldn't matter where I move, unless out of the country.
That is why federal law was strictly bound by the constitution - To keep law local and let folks do as they see fit, except for a few well thought out guarantees that span the nation.
If we want the ten commandments in front of our courthouse, no gay marriage, no prostitution, no gun laws, no speed limits (which I guarantee we do), what the hell business is it of yours?
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The government is a better boss than pimps and sex traffickers.
Oh HELL no. All the way around.
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The government is a better boss than pimps and sex traffickers.
Umm, no.
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No, based on OUR preferences. Our local preferences. If I didn't like it here, I would move.
The problem is, your one-size-fits-all intention, dictated from 3000 miles away, means that it wouldn't matter where I move, unless out of the country.
That is why federal law was strictly bound by the constitution - To keep law local and let folks do as they see fit, except for a few well thought out guarantees that span the nation.
If we want the ten commandments in front of our courthouse, no gay marriage, no prostitution, no gun laws, no speed limits (which I guarantee we do), what the hell business is it of yours?
People don’t all have the same preferences anywhere. You’re okay with a majority using their majority to oppress a minority with the law. You want to restrict the liberty of other people based on your preferences. Money exchanged for sex between consenting adults is none of your business, but you want to make it your business anyway. Your views on this matter are authoritarian.
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Umm, no.
You don’t think the government would handle prostitution better than law breaking pimps and sex traffickers?
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People don’t all have the same preferences anywhere. You’re okay with a majority using their majority to oppress a minority with the law. You want to restrict the liberty of other people based on your preferences. Money exchanged for sex between consenting adults is none of your business, but you want to make it your business anyway. Your views on this matter are authoritarian.
Bullshit. My views on this are federalist. I am not telling you what to do. YOU are telling ME what to do. Butt the hell out of my business and worry about your own. If you don't like how it is where you are, then change it there, or move where it suits you better.
You are not advocating for an oppressed minority - you are advocating for the tyranny of the minority, which is a wholly different thing.
If literally everyone is for prayer in school, and one atheist objects, according to you, the atheist's tyranny can be imposed upon all the rest. From 3000 miles away.
Bullshit. Pure and simple. If the atheist doesn't like it, then the atheist is free to move elsewhere.
Prostitution is the same sort of thing.
If your sensibilities endorse the degradation of women then go where such a thing is acceptable, don't impose your bullshit on me.
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You don’t think the government would handle prostitution better than law breaking pimps and sex traffickers?
Government doesn't handle anything better, ever.
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You don’t think the government would handle prostitution better than law breaking pimps and sex traffickers?
They are the government. They ARE NOT here to help. Prostitutes and pimps don’t pay taxes now; what makes you think they’re going to willingly pay taxes because prostitution is legalized, regulated, and taxed? Also, sex trafficking is a multi billion dollar and international problem. US gov legalizing prostitution has nothing to do with sex trafficking.
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Bullshit. My views on this are federalist. I am not telling you what to do. YOU are telling ME what to do. Butt the hell out of my business and worry about your own. If you don't like how it is where you are, then change it there, or move where it suits you better.
You are not advocating for an oppressed minority - you are advocating for the tyranny of the minority, which is a wholly different thing.
If literally everyone is for prayer in school, and one atheist objects, according to you, the atheist's tyranny can be imposed upon all the rest. From 3000 miles away.
Bullshit. Pure and simple. If the atheist doesn't like it, then the atheist is free to move elsewhere.
Prostitution is the same sort of thing.
If your sensibilities endorse the degradation of women then go where such a thing is acceptable, don't impose your bullshit on me.
Grown people having sex for money imposes nothing on you. The imposition is yours. You really think your example is equivalent? Also “Deal with what the majority wants or get bent.†doesn’t sound very libertarian to me, especially when the thing doesn’t involve you. Views like that delegitimize the conservative message because they’re hypocritical.
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They are the government. They ARE NOT here to help. Prostitutes and pimps don’t pay taxes now; what makes you think they’re going to willingly pay taxes because prostitution is legalized, regulated, and taxed? Also, sex trafficking is a multi billion dollar and international problem. US gov legalizing prostitution has nothing to do with sex trafficking.
You take business from the black market when you legalize. That mitigates some of the worst of it. There would be less victims all around if it was legalized.
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Grown people having sex for money imposes nothing on you.
Actually, it does. It imposes a moral statement on society that can be detrimental to that society. The people of a society have the right to come together and determine through their legislators the moral code under which they will live under. And if they choose to legalize prostitution, then so be it. And if they choose for prostitution to remain illegal, then that is their right.
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The people of a society have the right to come together and determine through their legislators the moral code under which they will live under.
I look forward to using this against you in future debates.
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You take business from the black market when you legalize. That mitigates some of the worst of it. There would be less victims all around if it was legalized.
Okay, pay attention here: There will always be a black market when gov regulations and taxes are involved.
They 👏 will 👏 not 👏 pay 👏 taxes 👏
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Okay, pay attention here: There will always be a black market when gov regulations and taxes are involved.
They 👏 will 👏 not 👏 pay 👏 taxes 👏
The legal businesses that open up and take over the demand for prostitution will pay taxes.
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Grown people having sex for money imposes nothing on you. The imposition is yours.
That is not true. It degrades culture and degrades women. I have grandchildren here.
You really think your example is equivalent? Also “Deal with what the majority wants or get bent.†doesn’t sound very libertarian to me, especially when the thing doesn’t involve you. Views like that delegitimize the conservative message because they’re hypocritical.
Bullshit sommore. Libertarianism is directly couched in federalism. Civil-libertarianism (Goldwater conservative) is not against law. It is *FOR* law and order. It prefers local law to all others. within the strict confines of an originalist reading of the Constitution, and the constitutions of the various states respectively, with sovereignty housed as close to the people as possible.
What you propose stinks of liberal anarchism, not to be confused with libertarian principles in the least.
Your first mistake is in the abject failure to recognize what prostitution does to a community - To the degradation of women's honor. What it does to promote adultery and divorce, and how it tears families to pieces. To sanction prostitution is to lend it credence - to favor it over the welfare of families and a decent environment to raise children. It endorses broken homes.
Your second mistake is to lend even more power to an overweening federal government, wishing for a federal decree to enforce your ludicrous proposal - No libertarian of any stripe would endorse that.
If you want to try it, then go where it is already legal, or change it where you are. You have zero right to impose it upon me and mine by federal fiat.
And don't try to wrap yourself in libertarianism anymore. It makes your ass look big.
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You don’t think the government would handle prostitution better than law breaking pimps and sex traffickers?
No, the government wouldn't.
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I look forward to using this against you in future debates.
Please do. I use it all the time. But I have serious doubts that you believe likewise.
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That is not true. It degrades culture and degrades women. I have grandchildren here.
Bullshit sommore. Libertarianism is directly couched in federalism. Civil-libertarianism (Goldwater conservative) is not against law. It is *FOR* law and order. It prefers local law to all others. within the strict confines of an originalist reading of the Constitution, and the constitutions of the various states respectively, with sovereignty housed as close to the people as possible.
What you propose stinks of liberal anarchism, not to be confused with libertarian principles in the least.
Your first mistake is in the abject failure to recognize what prostitution does to a community - To the degradation of women's honor. What it does to promote adultery and divorce, and how it tears families to pieces. To sanction prostitution is to lend it credence - to favor it over the welfare of families and a decent environment to raise children. It endorses broken homes.
Your second mistake is to lend even more power to an overweening federal government, wishing for a federal decree to enforce your ludicrous proposal - No libertarian of any stripe would endorse that.
If you want to try it, then go where it is already legal, or change it where you are. You have zero right to impose it upon me and mine by federal fiat.
And don't try to wrap yourself in libertarianism anymore. It makes your ass look big.
People are going to engage in prostitution either way. Legalization would mean less victims, less STDs, less all of the bad stuff. Your way is futile and illogical. It’s a waste of police resources and it restricts individual liberty. I’d be fine with state legalization by the way, but you’d fight against that too. This is a conversation about the viability of legal prostitution. You think prostitution should stay illegal and I disagree with you.
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The legal businesses that open up and take over the demand for prostitution will pay taxes.
And women who are collecting unemployment will be expected to take legal prostitution jobs lest they lose their benefits.
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People are going to engage in prostitution either way. Legalization would mean less victims, less STDs, less all of the bad stuff. Your way is futile and illogical. It’s a waste of police resources and it restricts individual liberty. I’d be fine with state legalization by the way, but you’d fight against that too. This is a conversation about the viability of legal prostitution. You think prostitution should stay illegal and I disagree with you.
Shouldn't it be up to each State to determine whether prostitution is legal or not?
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I look forward to using this against you in future debates.
You'd do better to listen to him. He's as libertarian as they come.
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And women who are collecting unemployment will be expected to take legal prostitution jobs lest they lose their benefits.
They don’t have to apply for those jobs if they don’t want them. Those jobs wouldn’t have existed without legalized prostitution anyway. They can apply to other jobs and meet their quota. Maintaining unemployment benefits is absurdly easy.
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He's as libertarian as they come.
I disagree.
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No, it is an activity that no one should participate in.
@roamer_1
Maybe,but you don't get to make the rules for other adults.
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@roamer_1
Maybe,but you don't get to make the rules for other adults.
He disagrees. Consenting adults shouldn’t be allowed to engage in prostitution and that doesn’t conflict with libertarianism apparently.
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I am absolutely consistent in principle. I am Conservative, and therefore a federalist. Law is fine with me... Local law. You are trying to shove your immorality down my throat from a statist position. Federal law.
Never content to let the various states work according to their design...
Like I said. You literally have no right to impose your sensibilities on me.
Do your thing where you are, and leave me the hell alone.
@roamer_1
Are you somehow so confused you think that if prostitution is made legal in your state you will be required to participate?
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Bullshit. My views on this are federalist. I am not telling you what to do. YOU are telling ME what to do. Butt the hell out of my business and worry about your own. If you don't like how it is where you are, then change it there, or move where it suits you better.
You are not advocating for an oppressed minority - you are advocating for the tyranny of the minority, which is a wholly different thing.
If literally everyone is for prayer in school, and one atheist objects, according to you, the atheist's tyranny can be imposed upon all the rest. From 3000 miles away.
Bullshit. Pure and simple. If the atheist doesn't like it, then the atheist is free to move elsewhere.
Prostitution is the same sort of thing.
If your sensibilities endorse the degradation of women then go where such a thing is acceptable, don't impose your bullshit on me.
@roamer_1
You have it 100 percent backwards. YOU are guilty of everything you charge Dexter with when it comes to the power of government to legislate morality.
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People are going to engage in prostitution either way.
I know. Making it 'legal', like 'gay marriage', only serves to legitimize it.
Legalization would mean less victims, less STDs, less all of the bad stuff.
A bold statement without proof.
Your way is futile and illogical.
I would say the same, the other way around.
It’s a waste of police resources
Another unproven statement. There will still be unlicensed whores. And Johns that will use them.
and it restricts individual liberty.
No.
Liberty has responsibilities.
What you are thinking of is freedom.
Freedom has consequences.
I’d be fine with state legalization by the way, but you’d fight against that too.
Sure I would, as is my right and my wont. The point being that it is already legal in a state. Go there and be happy.
This is a conversation about the viability of legal prostitution. You think prostitution should stay illegal and I disagree with you.
All you have to do is look to Vegas, and how well the Chicken Ranch was managed by your dear federal government. Those two things should tell you the tale.
And you are quite within your right to disagree with me. Where your right ends is in your imposition upon me.
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Shouldn't it be up to each State to determine whether prostitution is legal or not?
Sure, but that isn’t the debate. It’s a deflection. We’re debating the merits of legalized prostitution and whether or not keeping it illegal infringes on individual liberty.
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And women who are collecting unemployment will be expected to take legal prostitution jobs lest they lose their benefits.
@Hoodat
Now THERE is an argument I have never heard before.
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I disagree.
Disagree all you like, he has the mileage in this forum to prove it. You do not.
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I know. Making it 'legal', like 'gay marriage', only serves to legitimize it.
A bold statement without proof.
I would say the same, the other way around.
Another unproven statement. There will still be unlicensed whores. And Johns that will use them.
No.
Liberty has responsibilities.
What you are thinking of is freedom.
Freedom has consequences.
Sure I would, as is my right and my wont. The point being that it is already legal in a state. Go there and be happy.
All you have to do is look to Vegas, and how well the Chicken Ranch was managed by your dear federal government. Those two things should tell you the tale.
And you are quite within your right to disagree with me. Where your right ends is in your imposition upon me.
Oh, well I believe in liberty and freedom.
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@roamer_1
Maybe,but you don't get to make the rules for other adults.
Sure I do. Adults make rules for other adults all the damn time.
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@roamer_1
Are you somehow so confused you think that if prostitution is made legal in your state you will be required to participate?
No
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@Hoodat
Now THERE is an argument I have never heard before.
They actually do this in Germany.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html)
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@roamer_1
You have it 100 percent backwards. YOU are guilty of everything you charge Dexter with when it comes to the power of government to legislate morality.
Absolutely wrong.
He is advocating federal imposition by dictate.
I am advocating local dictate by representatives who live here.
Both are legislating morality.
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Oh, well I believe in liberty and freedom.
Do you believe that the people of each State through their elected representatives should have the liberty to decide whether or not prostitution should be legal in their State?
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Oh, well I believe in liberty and freedom.
Never the two shall meet.
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They actually do this in Germany.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html)
An isolated incident in another country, and the article says it’s unclear if the unnamed woman lost her benefits. I’d say there is a pretty good chance she didn’t. I also think Germany would be interested in fixing an oversight like that. This is not an argument. Women would not be forced into the sex industry by the government.
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Sure I do. Adults make rules for other adults all the damn time.
@roamer_1
OK,fair enough. I am going to make a rule that REQUIRES YOU to engage prostitutes.
Turn about is fair play.
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Do you believe that the people of each State through their elected representatives should have the liberty to decide whether or not prostitution should be legal in their State?
Sure, but that’s not the disagreement we are discussing.
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@roamer_1
OK,fair enough. I am going to make a rule that REQUIRES YOU to engage prostitutes.
Turn about is fair play.
LOL!
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They actually do this in Germany.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1482371/If-you-dont-take-a-job-as-a-prostitute-we-can-stop-your-benefits.html)
@Hoodat
Germany is not America. Apples and oranges.
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Sure, but that’s not the disagreement we are discussing.
I look forward to using this against you in future debates.
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@roamer_1
OK,fair enough. I am going to make a rule that REQUIRES YOU to engage prostitutes.
Turn about is fair play.
Go ahead... If you can get that through your county and/or state, more power to ya.
I don't have to visit.
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Absolutely wrong.
He is advocating federal imposition by dictate.
I am advocating local dictate by representatives who live here.
Both are legislating morality.
@roamer_1
Yet you seem to think you hold the moral high ground.
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I look forward to using this against you in future debates.
Can we continue discussing whether or not prostitution should be legal? Legalization through the states is fine.
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@Hoodat
Germany is not America. Apples and oranges.
America doesn't have national legalization of prostitution either. Oranges and apples.
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That is not true. It degrades culture and degrades women. I have grandchildren here.
Bullshit sommore. Libertarianism is directly couched in federalism. Civil-libertarianism (Goldwater conservative) is not against law. It is *FOR* law and order. It prefers local law to all others. within the strict confines of an originalist reading of the Constitution, and the constitutions of the various states respectively, with sovereignty housed as close to the people as possible.
What you propose stinks of liberal anarchism, not to be confused with libertarian principles in the least.
Your first mistake is in the abject failure to recognize what prostitution does to a community - To the degradation of women's honor. What it does to promote adultery and divorce, and how it tears families to pieces. To sanction prostitution is to lend it credence - to favor it over the welfare of families and a decent environment to raise children. It endorses broken homes.
Your second mistake is to lend even more power to an overweening federal government, wishing for a federal decree to enforce your ludicrous proposal - No libertarian of any stripe would endorse that.
If you want to try it, then go where it is already legal, or change it where you are. You have zero right to impose it upon me and mine by federal fiat.
And don't try to wrap yourself in libertarianism anymore. It makes your ass look big.
This is an outstanding post, @roamer_1 .
Thank you for every word of it!
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@roamer_1
Yet you seem to think you hold the moral high ground.
I said no such thing. I don't give a crap what you do where you are, just don't impose it over here.
That way, you can suffer the consequence of your actions, and I can go merrily on my way.
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He is advocating federal imposition by dictate.
I am advocating local dictate by representatives who live here.
Both are legislating morality.
I made no such indication. I am fine with state legalization, so let’s continue our disagreement on legal prostitution.
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Can we continue discussing whether or not prostitution should be legal? Legalization through the states is fine.
Discuss away. But at least be honest about it. Don't try BS'ing us about how wonderful it will be for society.
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America doesn't have national legalization of prostitution either. Oranges and apples.
@Hoodat
And?
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@Hoodat
And?
It is asinine to come up with a hypothetical about prostitution being legal in America, and then when someone brings up a real example of a country that has legal prostitution, to blurt out 'apples and oranges'.
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Discuss away. But at least be honest about it. Don't try BS'ing us about how wonderful it will be for society.
I think sometimes what works best isn’t ideal, but what matters is results. Taking that business from the black market would save police resources and make the process safer. There would still be issues obviously, but they would be mitigated.
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This is an outstanding post, @roamer_1 .
Thank you for every word of it!
:seeya:
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It is asinine to come up with a hypothetical about prostitution being legal in America, and then when someone brings up a real example of a country that has legal prostitution, to blurt out 'apples and oranges'.
You didn’t respond to what I said about your link.
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I made no such indication. I am fine with state legalization, so let’s continue our disagreement on legal prostitution.
Then no... It is against the very aegis by which western civilization was instituted... By which any civility is instituted. To provide a safe place for women and children and to provide for their defense.
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Then no... It is against the very aegis by which western civilization was instituted... By which any civility is instituted. To provide a safe place for women and children and to provide for their defense.
You don’t think legalized prostitution would help keep women and children safe in any way? The opposite even? Can you explain your logic in detail?
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You didn’t respond to what I said about your link.
I find it odd that you would say that considering the numerous post queries to you on the other threads that went unanswered.
But since you made a point of it, I went back to find what I had not seen before:
An isolated incident in another country, and the article says it’s unclear if the unnamed woman lost her benefits. I’d say there is a pretty good chance she didn’t. I also think Germany would be interested in fixing an oversight like that. This is not an argument. Women would not be forced into the sex industry by the government.
The point is that such a policy does exist in Germany. And if you had actually read the article, you would see that this is to be the case. It even shows the same argument you give about reducing crime:
The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.
When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer.
"There is now nothing in the law to stop women from being sent into the sex industry," said Merchthild Garweg, a lawyer from Hamburg who specialises in such cases. "The new regulations say that working in the sex industry is not immoral any more, and so jobs cannot be turned down without a risk to benefits."
Miss Garweg said that women who had worked in call centres had been offered jobs on telephone sex lines. At one job centre in the city of Gotha, a 23-year-old woman was told that she had to attend an interview as a "nude model", and should report back on the meeting. Employers in the sex industry can also advertise in job centres, a move that came into force this month. A job centre that refuses to accept the advertisement can be sued.
Tatiana Ulyanova, who owns a brothel in central Berlin, has been searching the online database of her local job centre for recruits.
"Why shouldn't I look for employees through the job centre when I pay my taxes just like anybody else?" said Miss Ulyanova.
Ulrich Kueperkoch wanted to open a brothel in Goerlitz, in former East Germany, but his local job centre withdrew his advertisement for 12 prostitutes, saying it would be impossible to find them.
Mr Kueperkoch said that he was confident of demand for a brothel in the area and planned to take a claim for compensation to the highest court. Prostitution was legalised in Germany in 2002 because the government believed that this would help to combat trafficking in women and cut links to organised crime.
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I think sometimes what works best isn’t ideal, but what matters is results. Taking that business from the black market would save police resources and make the process safer. There would still be issues obviously, but they would be mitigated.
Your hypothesis is unproven and declared a priori.
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I find it odd that you would say that considering the numerous post queries to you on the other threads that went unanswered.
But since you made a point of it, I went back to find what I had not seen before:
The point is that such a policy does exist in Germany. And if you had actually read the article, you would see that this is to be the case. It even shows the same argument you give about reducing crime:
I doubt that lady actually lost her benefits and I am sure Germany fill fix the oversight. Women here would not be forced into prostitution.
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Your hypothesis is unproven and declared a priori.
We should look up whether or not black market prostitution has gone down in places that have legalized brothels. We should also check to see what safety precautions are taken for all involved and whether or not it actually makes the process safer. What do you think we will find?
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You don’t think legalized prostitution would help keep women and children safe in any way? The opposite even? Can you explain your logic in detail?
Legitimizing whores legitimizes johns... It makes it all OK.
It is not OK. There is a reason that prostitution is generally in disfavor across all of history.
It is bad for marriage, and bad for women, leads to sexual addictions and perversions, and destroys families.
And ultimately it goes to the honor of women, degrading them, which degrades everything they do, from motherhood to grandmother-hood. From the child all the way to the matriarch. It is dishonorable and always has been. Why do you think that is?
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We should look up whether or not black market prostitution has gone down in places that have legalized brothels. We should also check to see what safety precautions are taken for all involved and whether or not it actually makes the process safer. What do you think we will find?
You are welcome to. I don't need to.
You need only look to the West when it was a frontier.
Whores were all there was to begin with.
Why do you think they eventually went away as the towns and counties began to spring up?
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This may help:
Human trafficking thrives in legal brothels | Charleston
https://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/10/09/human-trafficking-thrives-legal-brothels-charleston/1578611002/ (https://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices/2018/10/09/human-trafficking-thrives-legal-brothels-charleston/1578611002/)
Oct 9, 2018 ... I was trafficked into Nevada's legal brothels. Legal prostitution worldwide is known to facilitate human traffickers by giving them legal access to ...
Lyon County Sheriff says sex workers in brothels showed signs of ...
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/local/mason-valley/2018/10/18/audit-shows-lack-brothel-enforcement/1684633002/ (https://www.rgj.com/story/news/local/mason-valley/2018/10/18/audit-shows-lack-brothel-enforcement/1684633002/)
Oct 18, 2018 ... Lyon County Sheriff says 30% of sex workers in brothels showed signs of ... 18 were issued to Southern Nevada residents and 168 cards were issued to ... detective-led investigation to determine if they were being trafficked.â€.
How do we know that the women in Nevada Brothels are not victims ...
https://www.quora.com/How-do-we-know-that-the-women-in-Nevada-Brothels-are-not-victims-of-trafficking (https://www.quora.com/How-do-we-know-that-the-women-in-Nevada-Brothels-are-not-victims-of-trafficking)
The women in Nevada's legal brothels are not trafficked. ... Laws state every sex workers employed by brothels must be of legal age, have work cards, paid fair ...
Immigration violations, possible sex trafficking found at Nevada ...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nevada-prostitution/immigration-violations-possible-sex-trafficking-found-at-nevada-brothels-idUSKCN1MG00T (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nevada-prostitution/immigration-violations-possible-sex-trafficking-found-at-nevada-brothels-idUSKCN1MG00T)
Oct 5, 2018 ... An investigation of three legal Nevada brothels owned by a reality TV star ... reality TV show “Cathouse†about prostitutes at one of his brothels, ...
New study shows why brothels should be outlawed - The Nevada ...
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/new-study-shows-why-brothels-should-be-outlawed/ (https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/new-study-shows-why-brothels-should-be-outlawed/)
May 17, 2018 ... Prostitution and sex trafficking are not separate “activities. ... similar risk of being trafficked as a person trafficked in areas without legal brothels.
Nevada's Legal Brothels Make Workers Feel Safer - NYTimes.com
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/nevadas-legal-brothels-make-workers-feel-safer (https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/19/is-legalized-prostitution-safer/nevadas-legal-brothels-make-workers-feel-safer)
Jan 23, 2014 ... Nevada's model is worth considering, but there are plenty of models of legal prostitution throughout the world to draw from, and lots of research ...
Las Vegas pimps look for women of all ages for sex trafficking ...
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/downtown/las-vegas-pimps-look-for-women-of-all-ages-for-sex-trafficking-prostitution/ (https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-las-vegas/downtown/las-vegas-pimps-look-for-women-of-all-ages-for-sex-trafficking-prostitution/)
Apr 22, 2016 ... Sex trafficking in Nevada is defined as the inducing or forcing of a person to engage in prostitution. However, when it comes to adult sex ...
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I doubt that lady actually lost her benefits and I am sure Germany fill fix the oversight.
Based on what? Your feelings? You do this quite a bit. You state assumptions without producing a scintilla of evidence supporting it. Here you say that you are sure - sure that Germany fixed the oversight. So what if they didn't? What then?
Women here would not be forced into prostitution.
Women in Germany aren't forced into prostitution. Some are simply given a choice of taking a prostitution job or having their unemployment benefits cut off.
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Yeah, lets turn the US into a pre-WW2 Berlin... what could go wrong with that? /s
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2847643/Berlin-liberal-hotbed-homosexuality-mecca-cross-dressers-transsexuals-male-female-surgery-performed-Nazis-came-power-new-book-reveals.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2847643/Berlin-liberal-hotbed-homosexuality-mecca-cross-dressers-transsexuals-male-female-surgery-performed-Nazis-came-power-new-book-reveals.html)
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Germany a 'sex tourism hotspot'
Relaxed attitude to prostitution has resulted in Germany attracting sex tourists from France, Italy and beyond to visit its brothels
Germany has become a sex tourism hotspot thanks to the legalisation of prostitution, the country's leading feminist campaigner has warned.
Alice Schwarzer, whose book "Prostitution – a German scandal" was published last week, says sex tourists from France, Italy and Scandinavia travel to Germany to visit its brothels.
They are attracted by a relaxed approach to prostitution and legal brothels such as Cologne's Pascha, the largest brothel in Europe, she explained.
"Germany today is a 'sex paradise' for foreigners – thanks to the 2002 reform which permitted conditions that our neighbouring countries are amazed at: large brothels with low fees and flat rates, and 'wellness' brothels," Ms Schwarzer said.
"Foreigners travel from as far as Scandinavia and France by the busload."
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Feminist magazine "Emma", published by Ms Schwarzer, this month launched a campaign to get prostitution banned in Germany once again
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Estimates put the total number of sex workers in Germany at anywhere between 400,000 and one million.
According to Ms Schwarzer's research, only five per cent are German, with the rest coming from Eastern Europe and Africa.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10452246/Germany-a-sex-tourism-hotspot.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10452246/Germany-a-sex-tourism-hotspot.html)
Imagine that. Feminists opposed to legalized prostitution.
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Based on what? Your feelings? You do this quite a bit. You state assumptions without producing a scintilla of evidence supporting it. Here you say that you are sure - sure that Germany fixed the oversight. So what if they didn't? What then?
Women in Germany aren't forced into prostitution. Some are simply given a choice of taking a prostitution job or having their unemployment benefits cut off.
You are assuming the opposite. The article is inconclusive so it’s useless. That would not happen here. I think it’s preposterous to think it would.
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You are assuming the opposite. The article is inconclusive so it’s useless. That would not happen here. I think it’s preposterous to think it would.
Forty years ago marriage was sure and lasting, bastard children and single parent homes were few... A single income provided for a family, and women stayed home to care for children and gardens and schools, and churches.
Imagine all that 'would not happen here' from their perspective.
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It won't happen here because no States are going to suddenly legalize prostitution. Perhaps they are following Sweden's example.
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Forty years ago marriage was sure and lasting, bastard children and single parent homes were few... A single income provided for a family, and women stayed home to care for children and gardens and schools, and churches.
And then one day, liberals took over.
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And then one day, liberals took over.
And they keep trying to tell us it's so much better. *****rollingeyes*****
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Based on what? Your feelings? You do this quite a bit. You state assumptions without producing a scintilla of evidence supporting it. Here you say that you are sure - sure that Germany fixed the oversight. So what if they didn't? What then?
Women in Germany aren't forced into prostitution. Some are simply given a choice of taking a prostitution job or having their unemployment benefits cut off.
@Hoodat
Ok,so in anal places like Germany,don't legalize prostitution. De-criminalize it. The prime difference being that gives the government no authority to make it a job classification.
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Germany a 'sex tourism hotspot'
Alice Schwarzer, whose book "Prostitution – a German scandal" was published last week, says sex tourists from France, Italy and Scandinavia travel to Germany to visit its brothels.
@Hoodat
I have a hard time believing that men from France,Italy,and Scandinavia can't find prostitutes at home,and have to go to Germany to rent a woman.
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@Hoodat
I have a hard time believing that men from France,Italy,and Scandinavia can't find prostitutes at home,and have to go to Germany to rent a woman.
Kinda sounds like those countries need to legalize too. If I was going to use a service like that I might bother to travel for it because a regulated sex establishment would make me feel a lot safer.
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@Hoodat
I have a hard time believing that men from France,Italy,and Scandinavia can't find prostitutes at home,and have to go to Germany to rent a woman.
The distances from Paris to Cologne, Copenhagen to Berlin, and Milan to Munich are all comparable to the distance from LA to Las Vegas, the outskirts of which have a legal prostitution industry fed by clients traveling to Vegas for a fun time.
So yes, people travel to Colorado to have a weed vacation. People travel to Atlantic City to have a gambling vacation. And people who formerly traveled to Thailand for a sex vacation now go to Germany.
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Forty years ago marriage was sure and lasting, bastard children and single parent homes were few... A single income provided for a family, and women stayed home to care for children and gardens and schools, and churches.
Imagine all that 'would not happen here' from their perspective.
And houses of prostitution where everywhere. My small town had at least 3-4. Today there are none. Lot's of married men back then used prostitutes if their wife shut them off. Men kept their mouths shut.
Today these married men have affairs instead of using prostitutes. It has reversed.
@roamer_1
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Not nearly as much.
Because it turned out so well with marijuana in the states that legalized it?
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And houses of prostitution where everywhere. My small town had at least 3-4. Today there are none. Lot's of married men back then used prostitutes if their wife shut them off. Men kept their mouths shut.
Today these married men have affairs instead of using prostitutes. It has reversed.
@mirraflake
Nah. The nearest whorehouse to here was over in Wallace Idaho. In fact, having traveled up and down the Rockies, NoDAk, SODak, and across the southern Midwest into the South, That is the only whorehouse I was aware of - And I was of the sort to be aware of such things.
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Because it turned out so well with marijuana in the states that legalized it?
Marijuana use among teens actually dropped slightly in states that have legalized. It also created a ton of tax revenue.
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The legal businesses that open up and take over the demand for prostitution will pay taxes.
You did not read a thing no I typed. Bye, Felicia.
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Suggest waiting till April Fools Day to raise this absurdity.
A core premise of Principled Conservatism is that the Family Unit
is the bedrock of civilization and so by extension, its nation/state,
its social order and as well as its political structure.
Do divorce, homosexuality, prostitution, among many bad behaviors
advance the well being of the Family Unit?????
Too harebrained for words!!!
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Not all libertarian belief systems are that way, but I do think some libertarians can impose their own belief system such as in this case. You are still imposing your beliefs on others that heck, prostitution is a victimless crime, heroin abuse can be seen in this way. So, why not legalize it? A lot of flyover country would severely disagree with this, it would have to be federal law I gather. If one believes in this concept, try and get your state, county and so on to legalize it, don't impose it on me. I'd think only 20% OR less would want to see prostitution legal. Forget pimps and all of that, that's mainly in the big cities and doesn't affect that many of us.
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Suggest waiting till April Fools Day to raise this absurdity.
A core premise of Principled Conservatism is that the Family Unit
is the bedrock of civilization and so by extension, its nation/state,
its social order and as well as its political structure.
Do divorce, homosexuality, prostitution, among many bad behaviors
advance the well being of the Family Unit?????
Too harebrained for words!!!
Exactly right... As I said upthread, it is against the very purpose of civil union.
Well said.
:beer:
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I'm late to this thread (as usual) But I did read the whole thing and found it interesting @Dexter .
Although you have stated that this is not a federal issue the very implication of tax and regulation suggests federal involvement. It's a state issue...they can tax and regulate as well. I even went so far to look at Nevada laws regarding this. It was pretty interesting and complicated. If a state votes it down...so be it. One of the last interventions by the Feds in Texas came on same sex marriage . The state voted it down. The Feds said "Too bad". I don't agree with that. It's not their place in this matter. 10th Amendment and all that pesky stuff.
You ask if legalization would be good? No, I don't think so. Why would it? Why sanction something that by it's very nature invites depravity and criminal activity? I really don't think the government, state or local, can regulate those things.
I'll leave out moral objections for the sake of this argument. I do believe that if you give an inch...the mile is the limit.
There is a post on the thread that says people in Europe go to countries where prostitution is legal. So even not all countries in Europe think it's a good idea. Evenly more importantly, I know that Europeans regard the US as backwards, backwoods and provincial. I wish I cared. happy77
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Suggest waiting till April Fools Day to raise this absurdity.
A core premise of Principled Conservatism is that the Family Unit
is the bedrock of civilization and so by extension, its nation/state,
its social order and as well as its political structure.
Do divorce, homosexuality, prostitution, among many bad behaviors
advance the well being of the Family Unit?????
Too harebrained for words!!!
@Absalom
You are confusing conservatism with the fascism of organized religion.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3f/42/95/3f4295cf01391a3d46ee1453bda8502e.jpg)
Just some perspective, this is sort of how one cartoonist viewed Ron Paul per making some of these libertarian-like claims. It's nothing new and I certainly do not mean all libertarians see things that way.
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@Absalom
You are confusing conservatism with the fascism of organized religion.
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Sneaky, a respectful demurral.
The precept that the Family Unit anchors civilization is not derived from any Religion;
rather it's derived from the Natural Law, whose concepts existed the first day of Man.
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Sneaky, a respectful demurral.
@Absalom
Not a problem here. You have as much right to your opinion as anyone else,including me.
The precept that the Family Unit anchors civilization is not derived from any Religion;
rather it's derived from the Natural Law, whose concepts existed the first day of Man.
I am in total agreement with that,but don't let the thumpers hear you say that.
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Sneaky, a respectful demurral.
The precept that the Family Unit anchors civilization is not derived from any Religion;
rather it's derived from the Natural Law, whose concepts existed the first day of Man.
@sneakypete
Don’t worry, it’s just the tyranny of magical mystical natural law, not something as tawdry as a theocracy.
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@sneakypete
Don’t worry, it’s just the tyranny of magical mystical natural law, not something as tawdry as a theocracy.
Strange saying that on Thanksgiving; but I do believe North Korea and Red China would empathize with one's words.
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Strange saying that on Thanksgiving; but I do believe North Korea and Red China would empathize with one's words.
Ahhh, so Thanksgiving is about celebrating theocracy?
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Firearms are well regulated by both states and fed gov, yet people still kill with them. Why? Not because of the gun, but because they are crazy. Those same people that would take my guns away “for the children†but let crazy people roam the streets would be in charge of regulating prostitution. I’m not saying I’m for or against legalizing prostitution, I just know that I’m against it if it comes to government being in control of it. Prostitution control will work as well as gun control.
Edited to add: People don’t traffic humans because they can’t get a piece, they traffic humans because they’re crazy.
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@sneakypete
Don’t worry, it’s just the tyranny of magical mystical natural law, not something as tawdry as a theocracy.
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The Natural Law asserts that certain obligations and rights of Man are inherent
by his nature and can be understood through the application of logic and reason.
The Wise Ancients from Sargon, to Hammurabi, onto the Greeks understood this.
Plato, in his majestic "The Republic" defined the Soul of Man, four hundred years
before Christ, and that descriptive lies at the core of Roman Catholic Theology.
Try getting informed and real once in a while.
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The Natural Law asserts that certain obligations and rights of Man are inherent
by his nature and can be understood through the application of logic and reason.
The Wise Ancients from Sargon, to Hammurabi, onto the Greeks understood this.
Plato, in his majestic "The Republic" defined the Soul of Man, four hundred years
before Christ, and that descriptive lies at the core of Roman Catholic Theology.
Try getting informed and real once in a while.
Sometimes one must rely on abject ignorance to maintain one’s distorted view that all calls for morality come from fundamentalist rubes screaming for theocracy.
What’s most remarkable to me is that those who abhor all people of faith are self hating enough to believe that people like themselves, devoid of faith, cannot believe in a moral society.
I guess they don’t realize how much their derision makes themselves look valueless..... and honestly, quite stupid.
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Ahhh, so Thanksgiving is about celebrating theocracy?
No, we have freedom of religion, freedom of speech here. I know of no Christian theocracies in the world, but thank goodness, we know we won't hear criticism of the numerous Islamic theocracies in the world.
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Can you imagine in this day and age and if someone like Obama was president, there'd be a lot about gay and transgender prostitutes and allegedly no to child prostitutes, man, what a lot of regulation there would be.
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Sometimes one must rely on abject ignorance to maintain one’s distorted view that all calls for morality come from fundamentalist rubes screaming for theocracy.
And sometimes we must recognize that basic truth. If the cowbell fits..........
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The Natural Law asserts that certain obligations and rights of Man are inherent
by his nature and can be understood through the application of logic and reason.
The Wise Ancients from Sargon, to Hammurabi, onto the Greeks understood this.
Plato, in his majestic "The Republic" defined the Soul of Man, four hundred years
before Christ, and that descriptive lies at the core of Roman Catholic Theology.
Try getting informed and real once in a while.
Have you actually read Plato’s The Republic?
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Have you actually read Plato’s The Republic?
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Indeed, several times including Greek!!!
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Marijuana use among teens actually dropped slightly in states that have legalized. It also created a ton of tax revenue.
I find the supposed drop in use among minors to be highly questionable, because we all know minor always, like democrats tell the truth. But going back to the salient point, legalizing marijuana did nothing to reduce the illegal growing and sales, or maybe you have an explanation for all of the illegal farming operations in homes and state and national forest land along with the continued importation of pot to California from mejico?
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maybe you have an explanation for all of the illegal farming operations in homes and state and national forest land along with the continued importation of pot to California from mejico?[/size]
It's still illegal in most states so there is plenty of money to make off of illegal sales. The idea that illegal sales wouldn't go down when a legal option exists seems impossible to me. I never said the black market would go away entirely. It's about liberty and the mitigation of the black market. There are still people that sell booze illegally, but the situation certainly isn't as bad as it was during prohibition.
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Indeed, several times including Greek!!!
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It's still illegal in most states so there is plenty of money to make off of illegal sales. The idea that illegal sales wouldn't go down when a legal option exists seems impossible to me. I never said the black market would go away entirely. It's about liberty and the mitigation of the black market. There are still people that sell booze illegally, but the situation certainly isn't as bad as it was during prohibition.
Odd isn't it that one only hears about busts of marijuana coming into California but not out? Odd too, how your statements are always backed up by qualifiers after the fact, legalizing marijuana in California had not one iota to with liberty or mitigation of the black market, it was first and foremost about revenue thru taxation. If you believe the democrats have any other purpose in life, like altruism, you are sadly mistaken because they live for taking our hard earned cash and control of our lives.
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It's still illegal in most states so there is plenty of money to make off of illegal sales.
Liquor is available in all 50 States, yet I can still buy moonshine in Virginia.
The bigger question is what gives States the power to decide for themselves whether prostitution should be legal or not. It's all about control of women's bodies, right? What allows States to pass laws banning prostitution?
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Liquor is available in all 50 States, yet I can still buy moonshine in Virginia.
The illegal booze business took a bit of a hit after prohibition ended, no?
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The illegal booze business took a bit of a hit after prohibition ended, no?
Not here.