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Briefing Room Polls (Guests Welcome!) => The Briefingroom Polls => Topic started by: Dexter on November 18, 2018, 08:52:40 pm
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I'd be fine with our departure from the U.N. I am tired of the expectation that America gives and gives and gives.
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My answer is a very loud YES!!!
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Yeah, like yesterday.
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The U.S. is one of the few members that possesses a veto over important actions by the U.N. Leaving the U.N. would mean abandoning that veto, which might not be in the best interests of the U.S.
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The U.S. is one of the few members that possesses a veto over important actions by the U.N. Leaving the U.N. would mean abandoning that veto, which might not be in the best interests of the U.S.
Maybe that's a good thing, but right now I don't see a whole lot of advantage to the US by staying in. What other benefits to the US do we have in membership? Probably early on when the US was a super power, we could do and get a lot more. But the US' position in the world has steadily eroded over the years -- particularly during the 8 years of Obama -- and I don't see America regaining world power status under Trump. Most of the UN members are hostile to the United States. Obama let the UN members walk over us and rule over us. Trump can try his tough guy approach, but the other nations will just ignore him.
I say, we leave. Will save us a lot of money and a lot more grief. And the UN can move its headquarters to some friendly third world country like Nigeria.
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Maybe that's a good thing, but right now I don't see a whole lot of advantage to the US by staying in. What other benefits to the US do we have in membership? Probably early on when the US was a super power, we could do and get a lot more. But the US' position in the world has steadily eroded over the years -- particularly during the 8 years of Obama -- and I don't see America regaining world power status under Trump. Most of the UN members are hostile to the United States. Obama let the UN members walk over us and rule over us. Trump can try his tough guy approach, but the other nations will just ignore him.
I say, we leave. Will save us a lot of money and a lot more grief. And the UN can move its headquarters to some friendly third world country like Nigeria.
So, not being able to veto a security council resolution recommending the arrest, detention, and “trial†of senior American leaders for alleged “war crimes†is not worth the while?
Don’t get me wrong; I’m no fanboi of the UN, but when you were part of the original group that asked the devil to pick up his fiddle, walking out by yourself because you don’t like the tunes he’s picked can be lethal.
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a security council resolution recommending the arrest, detention, and “trial†of senior American leaders for alleged “war crimes†is not worth the while?
LOL! They can try.
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OK, before I bite I want to know where the hook is....
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OK, before I bite I want to know where the hook is....
You think I'm tricking you? Mass immigration and attaching our nut sack and coin purse to the U.N is crazy. America doesn't need the U.N. It's the U.N that needs America. Let them deal with their own shit. Why should we have to take blows for them?
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So, not being able to veto a security council resolution recommending the arrest, detention, and “trial†of senior American leaders for alleged “war crimes†is not worth the while?
Don’t get me wrong; I’m no fanboi of the UN, but when you were part of the original group that asked the devil to pick up his fiddle, walking out by yourself because you don’t like the tunes he’s picked can be lethal.
You make a good point.
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So, not being able to veto a security council resolution recommending the arrest, detention, and “trial†of senior American leaders for alleged “war crimes†is not worth the while?
Don’t get me wrong; I’m no fanboi of the UN, but when you were part of the original group that asked the devil to pick up his fiddle, walking out by yourself because you don’t like the tunes he’s picked can be lethal.
The issue might be moot, since the UN probably couldn’t survive without the US.
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The U.S. is one of the few members that possesses a veto over important actions by the U.N. Leaving the U.N. would mean abandoning that veto, which might not be in the best interests of the U.S.
I agree. However, we should ignore the mandates that the UN is trying to force on us.
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we should ignore the mandates that the UN is trying to force on us.
What would they do? Stop taking our funding? Stop accepting our protection? They have nothing.
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If only there was an option for "Hell Yes".
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So, not being able to veto a security council resolution recommending the arrest, detention, and “trial†of senior American leaders for alleged “war crimes†is not worth the while?
Don’t get me wrong; I’m no fanboi of the UN, but when you were part of the original group that asked the devil to pick up his fiddle, walking out by yourself because you don’t like the tunes he’s picked can be lethal.
How many divisions does the UN have?
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LOL! They can try.
Why do you think the US withdrew from the international criminal court? For precisely that concern (membership conferred jurisdiction over your nationals).
Putting embassy staff at even greater risk because the US no longer has a veto over the UN Security Council would be a really dumb move.
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How many divisions does the UN have?
All member states, and arresting US embassy staff doesn’t generally require divisions; a few thuggish cops will do.
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Why do you think the US withdrew from the international criminal court? For precisely that concern (membership conferred jurisdiction over your nationals).
Putting embassy staff at even greater risk because the US no longer has a veto over the UN Security Council would be a really dumb move.
If our embassy staff became at risk due to our departure from the U.N then maybe we'd just have to bring them home. They can talk to us online if they need to. The idea that we'll somehow be endangered by leaving the U.N is preposterous. Nobody can touch us; let them try.
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If our embassy staff became at risk due to our departure from the U.N then maybe we'd just have to bring them home. They can talk to us online if they need to. The idea that we'll somehow be endangered by leaving the U.N is preposterous. Nobody can touch us; let them try.
Uh, yeah. Remember what you said about not having an opinion about AGW because you hadn’t studied climate science? You should apply the same rule to foreign affairs, because you clearly know nothing.
Or perhaps you should talk to some of the US diplomats who got to spend some involuntary “vacation†time in Tehran back in 1979. Or to be survivors of the soldiers who lost their lives on the ill-fated attempted rescue mission.
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Or perhaps you should talk to some of the US diplomats who got to spend some involuntary “vacation†time in Tehran back in 1979. Or to be survivors of the soldiers who lost their lives on the ill-fated attempted rescue mission.
Maybe you can enlighten me on how the US helped up with the Ayatollah Assahola? If memory serves right, they didn't do dick.
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Maybe you can enlighten me on how the US helped up with the Ayatollah Assahola? If memory serves right, they didn't do dick.
Do you mean the UN?
Assuming you did (with all of the attendant dangers), I never said the UN was helpful in the least. I brlight up Tehran in 1979 because it clearly demonstrates that just being the US is not enough to prevent other countries from seizing US personnel, contrary to Dexter’s assertion that this was sufficient and “let them try.â€
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Do you mean the UN?
Assuming you did (with all of the attendant dangers), I never said the UN was helpful in the least. I brlight up Tehran in 1979 because it clearly demonstrates that just being the US is not enough to prevent other countries from seizing US personnel, contrary to Dexter’s assertion that this was sufficient and “let them try.â€
Being America is enough in most circumstances. If memory serves, there was an ineffectual slug as President at that time. Weakness invites trouble.
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Being America is enough in most circumstances. If memory serves, there was an ineffectual slug as President at that time. Weakness invites trouble.
I don’t think I need to dredge up the litany of attacks under less weak presidents. It suffices that US embassy personnel are at risk, and thus a UN Security Council resolution that authorized the seizure of Americans abroad, which the US could not veto if it left the UN, would leave them in significantly more jeopardy.
Perhaps you should try serving as a rank-and-file FSO before spouting off.
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I don’t think I need to dredge up the litany of attacks under less weak presidents. It suffices that US embassy personnel are at risk, and thus a UN Security Council resolution that authorized the seizure of Americans abroad, which the US could not veto if it left the UN, would leave them in significantly more jeopardy.
Perhaps you should try serving as a rank-and-file FSO before spouting off.
I really doubt the U.N would have the balls to start seizing Americans against the wishes of the United States government. If we shook off the shackles and let the world know we're done bleep around I don't think anybody would stand in our way.
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I don’t think I need to dredge up the litany of attacks under less weak presidents.
Dredge away and then cite to me how us involved with the UN lessened the casualties and mayhem of those events.
Perhaps you should try serving as a rank-and-file FSO before spouting off.
Nah. Someone needs to pay for this circus act and that's a bigger contribution to this than anything. Any moron can run around with a gun and shoot shit. It takes skill to earn six figures in taxable income.
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Nah. Someone needs to pay for this circus act and that's a bigger contribution to this than anything.
It's possible that the U.N would just fall apart without our support. Nobody would dare screw with us, and like you've suggested being in the U.N or not hasn't really impacted the issues mentioned.
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Dredge away and then cite to me how us involved with the UN lessened the casualties and mayhem of those events.
Nah. Someone needs to pay for this circus act and that's a bigger contribution to this than anything. Any moron can run around with a gun and shoot shit. It takes skill to earn six figures in taxable income.
Whatever. Since I never said the UN would be helpful, you’re asking the wrong person.
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It's possible that the U.N would just fall apart without our support. Nobody would dare screw with us, and like you've suggested being in the U.N or not hasn't really impacted the issues mentioned.
Other countries routinely “screw us†and you seem a mite bloodthirsty to be the same tyke who was worried several weeks ago that keeping US warships in the South China Sea would upset the Chinese and lead necessarily to nuclear war.
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Other countries routinely “screw us†and you seem a mite bloodthirsty to be the same tyke who was worried several weeks ago that keeping US warships in the South China Sea would upset the Chinese and lead necessarily to nuclear war.
I think we'd very likely get screwed less after the world saw us give the finger to the United Nations and its mandates. I'm not bloodthirsty. I just know they're not stupid and I have no problem calling a bluff. We have the biggest sack in town and nobody can do anything about it, not yet anyway. That might change in a few decades after we've allowed China and Europe to outpace us with technology even though we have the ability to prevent that from happening.
No more giving away money to every country on Earth and then allowing them to control us. America first.
:patriot:
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I think we'd very likely get screwed less after the world saw us give the finger to the United Nations and its mandates. I'm not bloodthirsty. I just know they're not stupid and I have no problem calling a bluff. We have the biggest sack in town and nobody can do anything about it, not yet anyway. That might change in a few decades after we've allowed China and Europe to outpace us with technology even though we have the ability to prevent that from happening.
No more giving away money to every country on Earth and then allowing them to control us. America first.
:patriot:
You’re entitled to believe whatever you want to believe. Such is life.
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@Oceander
@Dexter
No more giving away money to every country on Earth and then allowing them to control us. America first.
:patriot:
Membership in the UN doesn't give them any control over us. We can ignore their mandates. We could pare down our dues to our reasonable pro rata share and stay in the UN just to veto stupid actions by the Security Council and also to keep our message out to the world about doing always and only what's right. In this way, staying in gives us a modicum of control over the UN.
In short, there is no compelling need to leave the UN, and there are couple of very good reasons to stay in.
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In short, there is no compelling need to leave the UN
I kinda like the message it sends to the globalists.
Something like, "Bite me."
It would be a very significant thing if the United States left the United Nations.
Also we might not get forced to do anything, but our membership does create pressure on America to spend its assets on helping other countries.
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@Oceander
@Dexter
Membership in the UN doesn't give them any control over us. We can ignore their mandates. We could pare down our dues to our reasonable pro rata share and stay in the UN just to veto stupid actions by the Security Council and also to keep our message out to the world about doing always and only what's right. In this way, staying in gives us a modicum of control over the UN.
In short, there is no compelling need to leave the UN, and there are couple of very good reasons to stay in.
@the_doc That is an equitable arrangement I could back. happy77
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@Oceander
@Dexter
Membership in the UN doesn't give them any control over us. We can ignore their mandates. We could pare down our dues to our reasonable pro rata share and stay in the UN just to veto stupid actions by the Security Council and also to keep our message out to the world about doing always and only what's right. In this way, staying in gives us a modicum of control over the UN.
In short, there is no compelling need to leave the UN, and there are couple of very good reasons to stay in.
Bingo!
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Absolutely positively yes!! They should not control us. Though we've agreed to some of their mandates, at times those mandates are not in the best interest of this country. The UN has flexed its muscle more than need be and we give a boat load of money. Time to close our wallets AND our borders. They have no right in mandating that we have to take in refugees.