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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Applewood on August 14, 2020, 11:08:38 am
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Trump requests mail-in ballot for Florida congressional primary
President Trump and first lady Melania Trump have both requested mail-in ballots for the upcoming Florida primaries despite the president's frequent criticism of mail-in ballot systems in the U.S., USA Today reported.
The president, who changed his permanent residence from New York to Florida during his first term in office, is casting a ballot to be counted Aug. 18 in the state's congressional primary elections.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511969-trump-requests-mail-in-ballot-for-florida-primary-after-railing
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Mail-in voting is ok for me, but not for you.
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I believe what Trump requested is a 'absentee ballot' and I don't recall him ever being against those versus 'mail in ballots' where everyone on the voter rolls, no matter how corrupted the voter rolls may be, would receive one. There has been ample evidence from just the few recent elections using 'mail in' ballots to show the process, to put it bluntly, is full of shit. Amazingly people have no problem with congregating at stores to shop, my local DMV has had people lined up close to a hundred deep at times and of course rioters and 'peaceful protesters' have absolutely no problems with gathering in massive numbers..........................................so why exactly can't the general voting population go to the polls?
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Seniors and those compromised can and should use the absentee ballot system but to insist that all of our voting be done through a method that, at least at this time, is riddled with problems and ripe with the possibilities for corruption is in my opinion foolish. Of course YMMV.
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I believe what Trump requested is a 'absentee ballot' and I don't recall him ever being against those versus 'mail in ballots' where everyone on the voter rolls, no matter how corrupted the voter rolls may be, would receive one. There has been ample evidence from just the few recent elections using 'mail in' ballots to show the process, to put it bluntly, is full of shit. Amazingly people have no problem with congregating at stores to shop, my local DMV has had people lined up close to a hundred deep at times and of course rioters and 'peaceful protesters' have absolutely no problems with gathering in massive numbers..........................................so why exactly can't the general voting population go to the polls?
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Seniors and those compromised can and should use the absentee ballot system but to insist that all of our voting be done through a method that, at least at this time, is riddled with problems and ripe with the possibilities for corruption is in my opinion foolish. Of course YMMV.
Big thumbs up good buddy...unfortunately the distinction between the two is lost on some, especially those whose hatred of Trump outweighs their concern for the country’s future.
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Trump requests mail-in ballot....'they' are mixing up the terms mail-in ballot with request absentee voting on purpose.
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Trump requests mail-in ballot....'they' are mixing up the terms mail-in ballot with request absentee voting on purpose.
Of course.
After all this time and all the examples where the rat media attempted to mislead us you'd think we'd all view this kind of crap with a jaundiced eye. Or at least a little less credulity.
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False reporting.
Trump requested an "Absentee" ballot, as he most likely won't be in Florida to cast his vote.
Different than just getting an unsolicited ballot in the mailbox, and mailing it back.
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Of course.
After all this time and all the examples where the rat media attempted to mislead us you'd think we'd all view this kind of crap with a jaundiced eye. Or at least a little less credulity.
It is all in the eye of the observer.
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Yes, I believe I know what he meant about absente ballots. But that type of ballot is also a mail-in ballot. His efforts to stymie mail-in ballots could, if successful, adversely affect all forms of mail-in ballots, including the absentee variety.
I wonder if Trump has considered that by trying to kill mail-in ballots, he may be frustrating voting for seniors and others who may intend to vote for him. I read somewhere that the elderly make up 39% of his base. Don't know that I agree with that figure, but whatever the percentage, it would be a significant number of votes he could lose if there is no mail-in voting.
The other thing is that we are not just voting for president in November. What will happen to house and senate races if Trump frustrates mail-in voting? He does want a Republican majority in both houses, right?
My apologies to Trump supporters, but I believe his efforts to kill mail-in voting will, if successful, backfire on him "bigly." I don't believe he has considered that his actions could have negative consequences not only on his re-election efforts, but also in getting a congress that would work with him if he is re-elected.
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Mail-in voting is ok for me, but not for you.
Uh, no. There is a huge difference between absentee voting for those who make a formal request due to a legal exemption and mass mail-in voting for anyone who has a ballot show up in their mailbox.
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False reporting.
Trump requested an "Absentee" ballot, as he most likely won't be in Florida to cast his vote.
Different than just getting an unsolicited ballot in the mailbox, and mailing it back.
Correctamundo.
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Trump requests mail-in ballot for Florida congressional primary
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511969-trump-requests-mail-in-ballot-for-florida-primary-after-railing
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Mail-in voting is ok for me, but not for you.
If you have to lie to make your point...well...you might need to reconsider your position Applewood.
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Yes, I believe I know what he meant about absente ballots. But that type of ballot is also a mail-in ballot. His efforts to stymie mail-in ballots could, if successful, adversely affect all forms of mail-in ballots, including the absentee variety.
I wonder if Trump has considered that by trying to kill mail-in ballots, he may be frustrating voting for seniors and others who may intend to vote for him. I read somewhere that the elderly make up 39% of his base. Don't know that I agree with that figure, but whatever the percentage, it would be a significant number of votes he could lose if there is no mail-in voting.
The other thing is that we are not just voting for president in November. What will happen to house and senate races if Trump frustrates mail-in voting? He does want a Republican majority in both houses, right?
My apologies to Trump supporters, but I believe his efforts to kill mail-in voting will, if successful, backfire on him "bigly." I don't believe he has considered that his actions could have negative consequences not only on his re-election efforts, but also in getting a congress that would work with him if he is re-elected.
I can see why you would not see a difference in the distinction.
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Yes, I believe I know what he meant about absente ballots. But that type of ballot is also a mail-in ballot. His efforts to stymie mail-in ballots could, if successful, adversely affect all forms of mail-in ballots, including the absentee variety.
I wonder if Trump has considered that by trying to kill mail-in ballots, he may be frustrating voting for seniors and others who may intend to vote for him. I read somewhere that the elderly make up 39% of his base. Don't know that I agree with that figure, but whatever the percentage, it would be a significant number of votes he could lose if there is no mail-in voting.
The other thing is that we are not just voting for president in November. What will happen to house and senate races if Trump frustrates mail-in voting? He does want a Republican majority in both houses, right?
My apologies to Trump supporters, but I believe his efforts to kill mail-in voting will, if successful, backfire on him "bigly." I don't believe he has considered that his actions could have negative consequences not only on his re-election efforts, but also in getting a congress that would work with him if he is re-elected.
The elderly with health problems, the disabled, and those away from their primary place of residence (such as serving in the military) all can, and have, asked for and received, "Absentee" Ballots, by mail.
This can still be done, right now, today.
The "mail-in" ballots that the left is pushing for, is having ballots mailed to the last known address of every registered voter.
This is wide open for fraud and abuse.
There is a distinction.
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My apologies to Trump supporters, but I believe his efforts to kill mail-in voting will, if successful, backfire on him "bigly."
Trump isn't the one here trying to change the system. Democrats are. Try to keep that in mind. Trump is only trying to prevent a fraudulent takeover of our political system by blocking the very attempts (by Democrats) to do so. Just look at what happened in Orange County, CA in 2018. Democrats changed the election laws there, and by doing so were able to submit enough fraudulent ballots to flip seven Republican districts over to Democrat control. Are you OK with that? I certainly am not. And I will back anyone's efforts to prevent that change from being implemented nationwide. Trump isn't the bad guy here. Democrats are. They are the ones tinkering with the system. They are the ones who are discounting your vote by sending seven ballots to your vacant neighbor's house - all seven mysteriously getting returned as Democrat votes after some operative pays a visit to the mailbox.
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The elderly with health problems, the disabled, and those away from their primary place of residence (such as serving in the military) all can, and have, asked for and received, "Absentee" Ballots, by mail.
This can still be done, right now, today.
The "mail-in" ballots that the left is pushing for, is having ballots mailed to the last known address of every registered voter.
This is wide open for fraud and abuse.
There is a distinction.
Not really. Trump is attacking the USPS, refusing to allow appropriation of resources to deal with the volume of mail-in ballots. The USPS is not going to be able to distinguish between ballots that were mass mailed to voters and those ballots that were applied for. If the USPS can't do its job, his absentee ballot and the ballots of a whole lot of other voters may not be delivered on time. That. my friend, is disenfranchisement.
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Not really. Trump is attacking the USPS, refusing to allow appropriation of resources to deal with the volume of mail-in ballots.
Yet they are able to do exactly that with tax returns every April.
The USPS is not going to be able to distinguish between ballots that were mass mailed to voters and those ballots that were applied for.
Not their job.
If the USPS can't do its job, his absentee ballot and the ballots of a whole lot of other voters may not be delivered on time. That. my friend, is disenfranchisement.
Which is exactly why the system (which currently works) should be left just as it is. Why change something that already works?
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Yet they are able to do exactly that with tax returns every April.
These days I don't know how many tax returns are done by mail. I know mine is done online. I suspect the volume of tax returns in April (or this year in June or July) may have been less than the number of mail-in ballots.
Not their job.
Didn't say it was the USPS' job to distinguish these ballots. My point was that no matter what kind of ballot is being submitted by mail. the Post Office may have problems delivering any of them. Not only will those potentially fraudulent ballots that were blanket mailed not be counted, but also, the ballots that were applied for.
Which is exactly why the system (which currently works) should be left just as it is. Why change something that already works?
This year we have a pandemic going on Now we can argue till we are blue in the face over the severity of COVID, but the fact is that a large chunk of voters are not going to want to risk going to the polls to vote. So whether through blanket ballot mailings or through legitimate applications for a mail-in ballot, we are going to have a huge number of people voting by mail. Instead of trying to frustrate that effort and potentially hindering votes that would have gone to him, Trump should be doing what he can to make sure everyone's vote counts, whether in person or by mail. If there really is a high potential for fraud, then fix that. Stymieing the USPS in getting the ballots delivered on time is not going to prevent fraud. It may, however, keep a chunk of people from having their voices heard in this election.
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Trump requests mail-in ballot for Florida congressional primary
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/511969-trump-requests-mail-in-ballot-for-florida-primary-after-railing
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WRONG. HE IS TALKING ABOUT ABSENTEE BALLOTS.....not universal mailed out ballots. THE HILL....wrong again. On purpose. Why do they do this? We have a video where he says this too. HILL...get it correct or STFU.
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False reporting.
Trump requested an "Absentee" ballot, as he most likely won't be in Florida to cast his vote.
Different than just getting an unsolicited ballot in the mailbox, and mailing it back.
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Didn't say it was the USPS' job to distinguish these ballots. My point was that no matter what kind of ballot is being submitted by mail. the Post Office may have problems delivering any of them. Not only will those potentially fraudulent ballots that were blanket mailed not be counted, but also, the ballots that were applied for.
This year we have a pandemic going on Now we can argue till we are blue in the face over the severity of COVID, but the fact is that a large chunk of voters are not going to want to risk going to the polls to vote. So whether through blanket ballot mailings or through legitimate applications for a mail-in ballot, we are going to have a huge number of people voting by mail. Instead of trying to frustrate that effort and potentially hindering votes that would have gone to him, Trump should be doing what he can to make sure everyone's vote counts, whether in person or by mail. If there really is a high potential for fraud, then fix that. Stymieing the USPS in getting the ballots delivered on time is not going to prevent fraud. It may, however, keep a chunk of people from having their voices heard in this election.
Absentee ballots do not have to be 'mailed' in, I never do with mine I drop it off personally at a County Registrar of voters official depository of which there are hundreds or more around the county. I also do the same with my mothers, as long as she has designated me as approved and signed that portion of the envelope. Right now only 26 states allow another person to legally drop off an absentee ballot, I think it should all fifty so that an invalid or disabled can have a family member or caregiver drop off their ballot rather than depend on the USPS who seem from discussions with others to be slowing their service.
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Trump isn't the one here trying to change the system. Democrats are. Try to keep that in mind. Trump is only trying to prevent a fraudulent takeover of our political system by blocking the very attempts (by Democrats) to do so. Just look at what happened in Orange County, CA in 2018. Democrats changed the election laws there, and by doing so were able to submit enough fraudulent ballots to flip seven Republican districts over to Democrat control. Are you OK with that? I certainly am not. And I will back anyone's efforts to prevent that change from being implemented nationwide. Trump isn't the bad guy here. Democrats are. They are the ones tinkering with the system. They are the ones who are discounting your vote by sending seven ballots to your vacant neighbor's house - all seven mysteriously getting returned as Democrat votes after some operative pays a visit to the mailbox.
People who can't "see' that, are purposely blind. 888high58888
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I believe what Trump requested is a 'absentee ballot' and I don't recall him ever being against those versus 'mail in ballots' where everyone on the voter rolls, no matter how corrupted the voter rolls may be, would receive one. There has been ample evidence from just the few recent elections using 'mail in' ballots to show the process, to put it bluntly, is full of shit. Amazingly people have no problem with congregating at stores to shop, my local DMV has had people lined up close to a hundred deep at times and of course rioters and 'peaceful protesters' have absolutely no problems with gathering in massive numbers..........................................so why exactly can't the general voting population go to the polls?
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Seniors and those compromised can and should use the absentee ballot system but to insist that all of our voting be done through a method that, at least at this time, is riddled with problems and ripe with the possibilities for corruption is in my opinion foolish. Of course YMMV.
My niece posted this on FB and I just had to go explain to her that, no, Trump is not a hypocrite. Then she launched into how the administration is trying to block states from being able to vote absentee because her state won’t let you vote absentee without proof of disability or reason for being out of town. I had to explain to her that she had a problem with state government, not the Trump administration. Low info voters make me crazy.
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My niece posted this on FB and I just had to go explain to her that, no, Trump is not a hypocrite. Then she launched into how the administration is trying to block states from being able to vote absentee because her state won’t let you vote absentee without proof of disability or reason for being out of town. I had to explain to her that she had a problem with state government, not the Trump administration. Low info voters make me crazy.
Now explain it to the Nevers....
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This year we have a pandemic going on Now we can argue till we are blue in the face over the severity of COVID, but the fact is that a large chunk of voters are not going to want to risk going to the polls to vote.
Democrats were pushing mail-in voting long before coronavirus appeared on the scene. I call BS.
H.R.92 - Vote By Mail Act of 2019 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/92)
Let's examine the motives here. The ONLY reason for mail-in voting is to help Democrats win. Period. It has nothing at all to do with making sure every vote counts. It has everything to do with achieving a favorable result despite the voters.
We have had a post office since the inception of our Constitution. And never before has it been a necessary instrument of US elections. Not through epidemics of dysentery, small pox, polio, or influenza has it kept people from showing up at the polls to cast their vote as members of a free society.
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Democrats were pushing mail-in voting long before coronavirus appeared on the scene. I call BS.
H.R.92 - Vote By Mail Act of 2019 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/92)
Let's examine the motives here. The ONLY reason for mail-in voting is to help Democrats win. Period. It has nothing at all to do with making sure every vote counts. It has everything to do with achieving a favorable result despite the voters.
We have had a post office since the inception of our Constitution. And never before has it been a necessary instrument of US elections. Not through epidemics of dysentery, small pox, polio, or influenza has it kept people from showing up at the polls to cast their vote as members of a free society.
Yep. Democrats have seized on this covid19 “Red Death†to scare people and pull the wool over the eyes of the voters. The sad thing is they might just get away with it.
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@Applewood
@mystery-ak
Apple, you said: "My apologies to Trump supporters, but I believe his efforts to kill mail-in voting will, if successful, backfire on him "bigly." I don't believe he has considered that his actions could have negative consequences not only on his re-election efforts, but also in getting a congress that would work with him if he is re-elected."
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Trump says he will not give money to the United States Postal Service so they will not be able to deliver the ballots back in time for the count on election night. Plus, I heard his new Postmaster (was a big Trump doner) say that. Postmaster is warning voters their ballot might be too late to be counted, if post office doesn't get the money. Trump backs him up by saying he, Trump, won't give them the money.
This problem is going to stay in the news until the election - that Trump is taking away their right to vote a mail ballot, and he said he would do it.
I truly believe, as you do, this action on his part, will/may get him defeated. Repeating: Voters will believe he has taken away their right to vote and he did it on purpose because he said he was going to do it. That is taking away their right to vote in a national election. They will believe that is "Voter Suppression", to take away their constitutional right to vote. Said another way: If that state approves ballots by mail, and Trump acts to stop their votes being counted - he is guilty of "Voter Suppression".
VOTER SUPPRESSION: "Voter suppression is a strategy used to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing specific groups of people from voting. The tactics of voter suppression range from minor changes to make voting less convenient, to physically intimidating and even physically attacking prospective voters, which is illegal. Voter suppression can be effective if a significant number of voters are intimidated or disenfranchised."
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Yep. Democrats have seized on this covid19 “Red Death†to scare people and pull the wool over the eyes of the voters. The sad thing is they might just get away with it.
Not when it occurs to Joe Sixpack his vote is likely to "get lost in the mail." Back in the day, that was rare, but now everybody has had it happen when an important check "got lost."
If the Rats get away with this, we're done, and it will be to our everlasting shame.
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@Applewood
Apple, you said: "My apologies to Trump supporters, but I believe his efforts to kill mail-in voting will, if successful, backfire on him "bigly." I don't believe he has considered that his actions could have negative consequences not only on his re-election efforts, but also in getting a congress that would work with him if he is re-elected."
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Trump says he will not give money to the United States Postal Service so they will not be able to deliver the ballots back in time for the count on election night. Plus, I heard his new Postmaster (was a big Trump doner) say that. Postmaster is warning voters their ballot might be too late to be counted, if post office doesn't get the money. Trump backs him up by saying he, Trump, won't give them the money.
This problem is going to stay in the news until the election - that Trump is taking away their right to vote a mail ballot, and he said he would do it.
I truly believe, as you do, this action on his part, will/may get him defeated. Repeating: Voters will believe he has taken away their right to vote and he did it on purpose because he said he was going to do it. That is taking away their right to vote in a national election. They will believe that is "Voter Suppression", to take away their constitutional right to vote. Said another way: If that state approves ballots by mail, and Trump acts to stop their votes being counted - he is guilty of "Voter Suppression".
VOTER SUPPRESSION: "Voter suppression is a strategy used to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing specific groups of people from voting. The tactics of voter suppression range from minor changes to make voting less convenient, to physically intimidating and even physically attacking prospective voters, which is illegal. Voter suppression can be effective if a significant number of voters are intimidated or disenfranchised."
It all makes sense when one realizes Trump is evil. Like Bert.
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Not when it occurs to Joe Sixpack his vote is likely to "get lost in the mail." Back in the day, that was rare, but now everybody has had it happen when an important check "got lost."
If the Rats get away with this, we're done, and it will be to our everlasting shame.
My entire family got dropped off the registration roles here in CA recently.
The rats are in no holds barred ends justifies the means overdrive to win right now. Its beyond foolish to not expect them to pull whatever BS they think they can get away with.
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My entire family got dropped off the registration roles here in CA recently.
The rats are in no holds barred ends justifies the means overdrive to win right now. Its beyond foolish to not expect them to pull whatever BS they think they can get away with.
Yes, it will get bad, and there will be thunderous applause from some. "Ding, Dong, the Trump is Dead!!!"
Long live Kamala Harris! We can fix it then, for sure. Uh huh.
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Never Trumpers wear masks.
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@Applewood
@mystery-ak
Apple, you said: "My apologies to Trump supporters, but I believe his efforts to kill mail-in voting will, if successful, backfire on him "bigly." I don't believe he has considered that his actions could have negative consequences not only on his re-election efforts, but also in getting a congress that would work with him if he is re-elected."
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Trump says he will not give money to the United States Postal Service so they will not be able to deliver the ballots back in time for the count on election night. Plus, I heard his new Postmaster (was a big Trump doner) say that. Postmaster is warning voters their ballot might be too late to be counted, if post office doesn't get the money. Trump backs him up by saying he, Trump, won't give them the money.
This problem is going to stay in the news until the election - that Trump is taking away their right to vote a mail ballot, and he said he would do it.
I truly believe, as you do, this action on his part, will/may get him defeated. Repeating: Voters will believe he has taken away their right to vote and he did it on purpose because he said he was going to do it. That is taking away their right to vote in a national election. They will believe that is "Voter Suppression", to take away their constitutional right to vote. Said another way: If that state approves ballots by mail, and Trump acts to stop their votes being counted - he is guilty of "Voter Suppression".
VOTER SUPPRESSION: "Voter suppression is a strategy used to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing specific groups of people from voting. The tactics of voter suppression range from minor changes to make voting less convenient, to physically intimidating and even physically attacking prospective voters, which is illegal. Voter suppression can be effective if a significant number of voters are intimidated or disenfranchised."
Really? Does it matter what Trump says about giving money to The USPS except as baiting? When has a President had the power of the purse to fund or defund, isn't that wholly up to Congress? Sure I guess he veto a funding bill...................yeah like that's suddenly gonna happen now :silly:
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Not when it occurs to Joe Sixpack his vote is likely to "get lost in the mail." Back in the day, that was rare, but now everybody has had it happen when an important check "got lost."
If the Rats get away with this, we're done, and it will be to our everlasting shame.
Personally I think a lot of the mail slow downs and other issues are all about squeezing out more funding, why does anyone, other than convalescents or invalids have to depend on the USPS to get their ballots in to be counted? Oh I'm sure that there are rural residents that would have a tough time but why can't people drop their ballots off at polling places, more to the point with months still until the election why aren't states planning for official drop off locations that will be manned and observed where voters can be assured their ballots will be protected and counted? For Christ sake we're America not Dumbassistahn!
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I believe what Trump requested is a 'absentee ballot' and I don't recall him ever being against those versus 'mail in ballots' where everyone on the voter rolls, no matter how corrupted the voter rolls may be, would receive one. There has been ample evidence from just the few recent elections using 'mail in' ballots to show the process, to put it bluntly, is full of shit. Amazingly people have no problem with congregating at stores to shop, my local DMV has had people lined up close to a hundred deep at times and of course rioters and 'peaceful protesters' have absolutely no problems with gathering in massive numbers..........................................so why exactly can't the general voting population go to the polls?
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Seniors and those compromised can and should use the absentee ballot system but to insist that all of our voting be done through a method that, at least at this time, is riddled with problems and ripe with the possibilities for corruption is in my opinion foolish. Of course YMMV.
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I believe what Trump requested is a 'absentee ballot' and I don't recall him ever being against those versus 'mail in ballots' where everyone on the voter rolls, no matter how corrupted the voter rolls may be, would receive one. ...
If Trump requested it that is an absentee ballot request. Mail-in voting is unrequested. The MSM are lyingly pretending the two are the same because Orange Man Bad.
The Hill has gone so Trump-Wasted that lining a bird cage with their sludge would insult the poor innocent parakeet.
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If Trump requested it that is an absentee ballot request. Mail-in voting is unrequested. The MSM are lyingly pretending the two are the same because Orange Man Bad.
The Hill has gone so Trump-Wasted that lining a bird cage with their sludge would insult the poor innocent parakeet.
They're counting on most Americans being too stupid to know the difference. Unfortunately.... there really are a lot of stupid, clueless Americans out there.