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Title: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 07, 2020, 11:36:43 pm
    I've been shucking my duties as the Poll Thread Moderator and First and Foremost I want to apologize, for that (only).   wink777

    I've just been so busy lately working on my ol house trying to divert my attention away from all this $hit of late, Covid AND Riots.

                                                                   HISTORICALLY

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Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 07, 2020, 11:42:26 pm
    I've been shucking my duties as the Poll Thread Moderator and First and Foremost I want to apologize, for that (only).   wink777

    I've just been so busy lately working on my ol house trying to divert my attention away from all this $hit of late, Covid AND Riots.

                                                                   HISTORICALLY

(https://inflationdata.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Misery-Index-Sep-2017.png)

I hear ya ... diversion is necessary --- with what's happening on the home front, COVID crap and the race riots ... I needed a moment of sanity...so I've redecorated the bedroom and am working on landscaping along the fence.  These past couple of months have been difficult.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 07, 2020, 11:44:33 pm
I voted for praying and more ammo.  Praying is a daily thing of mine ... and ammo ... can't hurt to have a goodly supply on hand.  :yowsa:

I'm 60 something and I don't ever remember things being this bad -- the liberal DEMS are even more nuts, Antifa & BLM are beyond bat crap crazy, the GOPe is even more screwed up then ever, so yes ... prayers and more ammo.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 07, 2020, 11:45:32 pm
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Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: dfwgator on June 07, 2020, 11:51:19 pm
Civil War is Coming, no doubt.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 08, 2020, 12:17:58 am
Meh - Praying and ammo is normal around here anyway...

And other than eating my stores down near to the nub, not really much different around here. And my pantry is getting better...

Don't let the bastards grind you down man. Maybe time to sell and head for that river country you keep on about...

That's all I will do if it goes cattywompus... Just fade back into the sticks and wait it out. If I never come down again, suits me fine.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 08, 2020, 12:20:42 am
Civil War is Coming, no doubt.

A few years ago, I would have laughed at that notion...
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 08, 2020, 12:24:59 am
Civil War is Coming, no doubt.

Well, the way I see it, I believe that the civil war has already started; neither party, nor Trump is doing a darn thing to stop it, and we are headed towards total anarchy in which every man will need to fend for himself.  Nope ... not real optimistic these days and in fact, I have doubts that we are going to see another election. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 08, 2020, 12:26:31 am
Well, the way I see it, I believe that the civil war has already started; neither party, nor Trump is doing a darn thing to stop it, and we are headed towards total anarchy in which every man will need to fend for himself.  Nope ... not real optimistic these days and in fact, I have doubts that we are going to see another election.

That or we need a Kent State moment. Not sure what that would look like though.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 08, 2020, 12:33:03 am
That or we need a Kent State moment. Not sure what that would look like though.

Unfortunately, Trump seems to have walked back the idea of using the military.  So, they've called his bluff.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 08, 2020, 01:58:39 am
   I spent yesterday doing the Community thing first, Met the Mayor who said 'Good to see ya, Mark, didn't recognize you with the Long Hair' (my hairs been long since 75), he lied, I was invited by his FIL who was celebrating 90.
   Then I went for what would pass today as a 'Trump Rallye', My Mothers 87th BD, at least it was Family, but still somewhat surreal, they blocked my car in so I'd have to stay and listen to them, it was painful.

    *Still a little of a Jagged Disposition.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: dfwgator on June 08, 2020, 02:06:25 am
Unfortunately, Trump seems to have walked back the idea of using the military.  So, they've called his bluff.

Trump is literally all alone.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 08, 2020, 02:07:15 am
   I spent yesterday doing the Community thing first, Met the Mayor who said 'Go to see ya, Mark, didn't recognize you with the Long Hair' (my hairs been long since 75), he lied, I was invited by his FIL who was celebrating 90.
   Then I went for what would pass today as a 'Trump Rallye', My Mothers 87th BD, at least it was Family, but still somewhat surreal, they blocked my car in so I'd have to stay and listen to them, it was painful.

    *Still a little of a Jagged Disposition.

Sounds just as stressful as dealing with COVID and the riots. Joy!
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 08, 2020, 04:00:27 am
Unfortunately, Trump seems to have walked back the idea of using the military.  So, they've called his bluff.

He was tweeting before thinking again, because he couldn't use the military unless he was invited... and DC was controllable with non-lethal rounds. That's another thing, Trump suppressed a major civil disturbance with, as far as I know, not a single person getting killed (in DC, which arguably fell under his jurisdiction). Yet he's still criticized.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: dfwgator on June 08, 2020, 04:26:35 am
He was tweeting before thinking again, because he couldn't use the military unless he was invited... and DC was controllable with non-lethal rounds. That's another thing, Trump suppressed a major civil disturbance with, as far as I know, not a single person getting killed (in DC, which arguably fell under his jurisdiction). Yet he's still criticized.

If Trump walked on water, the headline would read "Trump Can't Swim!"
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Lando Lincoln on June 08, 2020, 10:42:14 am
I’m miserable. The upshot?  I’m preppin’ for a colonoscopy.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: jafo2010 on June 08, 2020, 04:38:55 pm
Trump is not a complicated individual.  He always threatens to do something extreme, or beyond expectation only to settle for something less.  I doubt he intended to use the military, he just wanted people on their toes.

There is no revolution coming unless the shelves are going to be bare of food.  Apathy is still well entrenched in American society.

And in regard to BLACK LIVES MATTER, that whole movement which has steam one moment and dissipates into nothing the next, it doesn't get wheels either.  Until the day comes that black lives matter to blacks, and that day just does not exist, then again, nothing much changes.  In one week recently, I believe 28 people were shot and killed in just Chicago.  Nothing much was said about it.  It is expected.  The jungle of south Chicago is largely ignored.

I have never owned a gun.  When I decided recently it was time to get one and stock up on some ammo, the weapon I wanted for home defense was nowhere to be found.  When I went to Bass Pro to meet a friend one day, I went on a walk about through the store, landed at the gun counter to find the shelves basically bare.  I asked one of the sales reps if they had a Mossberg shotgun, and he chuckled and said no.  When I asked if they carried them he said yes, but he had no idea when they would be restocked.  So, for the moment, all I have for home defense is a baseball bat from my youth.

In terms of misery level, I was slated for a consulting gig in February, and a tornado blew through Tennessee, which delayed the project, then the virus flared up, and I sit here waiting for a project that might just not come to fruition.  So, my misery is the lost income.

And that brings me to one major irritant about Trump.  He could create 1 - 1.5 million jobs over night by fulfilling a campaign promise from 2016 that he flip flopped on, that being the elimination of the H1-b Visa Program.  We have a huge number of largely folks from India working on system development projects in the USA at half the income and no benefits, having displaced AMerican workers.  But Trump sold out to the tech power brokers.  Better to kiss their *ss apparently.  I know quite a few conservative people that lost jobs that are disappointed in Trump, many threatening not to vote for Trump in November.  His decision on this might just cost him the election, because a lot of these folks are in Florida and Michigan, two states he definitely needs to win in November.

I have worked on so many projects staffed with folks from India, and I know that these low cost folks bring little to the job.  Also we are outsourcing a lot of development to India, China and the Ukraine, and the only group I thought were productive were the folks in Ukraine.  However, there is additional cost with folks flying back and forth from the Ukraine, and the language differences in working together.

Due to the greed of the tech power brokers, the USA will ultimately be left behind with China, India or other nations leaving the USA in the dust.  We just do not care about our people in this country any longer.  That is why Trump's certain election is in doubt for me.  His failure to deliver on this one issue proves how he just does not care about the American people, that his stances are nothing more than empty rhetoric.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: catfish1957 on June 08, 2020, 04:44:50 pm
As a young adult in the Carter administration, I well remember how disheartening it was to have the price shoot up everytime you went to grocery or department store.  In fact back in that day, you didn't need expiration date or "use by" dates.   You just used the item from the pantry with lowest price first.

People were pissed, and miserable.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 08, 2020, 04:52:58 pm
He was tweeting before thinking again, because he couldn't use the military unless he was invited... and DC was controllable with non-lethal rounds. That's another thing, Trump suppressed a major civil disturbance with, as far as I know, not a single person getting killed (in DC, which arguably fell under his jurisdiction). Yet he's still criticized.

People are being injured all over the country with businesses being destroyed and 60 of his SS were injured. "They" stormed the white house, they are demanding that law enforcement be dismantled. He's being criticized because one again, he's back pedaled when he should be showing strength.  That is the last thing this country needed right now; a President who doesn't do what he says he's going to do. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 10, 2020, 12:46:12 pm
I don't think even ammo will save us at this point, and God is sitting on His hands. It's over.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: XenaLee on June 10, 2020, 12:59:23 pm
I don't think even ammo will save us at this point, and God is sitting on His hands. It's over.

Um.... God told us pretty much what was going to happen so that his followers could prepare.   He just didn't tell us the "exact" timing.  Be grateful that at least we know this is all going according to His plan and His word.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 10, 2020, 02:42:32 pm
I'm past worrying about it,and even past planning for it.

I'm waiting for the opening ceremony and hoping it happens soon because I see it as inevitable at this point,and the sooner it begins the fewer people that will die or lose loved ones.

I am determined to survive this thing because the one thing I dream of in life now is to attend the public hangings.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 10, 2020, 02:45:50 pm
People are being injured all over the country with businesses being destroyed and 60 of his SS were injured. "They" stormed the white house, they are demanding that law enforcement be dismantled. He's being criticized because one again, he's back pedaled when he should be showing strength.  That is the last thing this country needed right now; a President who doesn't do what he says he's going to do.

And nobody died from Trump's actions. Some snowflakes got some gas and rubber bullets but that's it.

Why isn't anyone pointing that out?
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 10, 2020, 02:48:23 pm
Trump is literally all alone.

@dfwgator

I agree. I seriously doubt anyone has flat refused to cooperate with him,but I also seriously doubt that no one has whispered into his ear to not ask for things he can't get,and for the most part,our military leadership is shit. Most seem to be paving the way for corporate board seats on seats in "think tanks" once they retire,and we know that the only way to assure either is to kiss the asses of the globalists causing the problems.

I am HOPING that Trump get's re-elected,and after the election he starts cleaning house at the Pentagram by forcing senior officers into retirement,and most important of all,passing a law that makes it illegal for retired military officers to have seats on the boards of corporations with links or contracts to the US military.

ONLY a President that will never face an election again can get away with that,but it's one of the most important things that needs to be done or we will never end this state of perpetual war for profits.

Either that,or we should just be honest enough to rename it "The Offense Department" and be done with it.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 10, 2020, 03:45:25 pm
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Trump is not a complicated individual.  He always threatens to do something extreme, or beyond expectation only to settle for something less.  I doubt he intended to use the military, he just wanted people on their toes.

@jafo2010

It's called "negoiating". It's such a simple concept,I can't understand why so many people can't understand it.
 

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And that brings me to one major irritant about Trump.  He could create 1 - 1.5 million jobs over night by fulfilling a campaign promise from 2016 that he flip flopped on, that being the elimination of the H1-b Visa Program.  We have a huge number of largely folks from India working on system development projects in the USA at half the income and no benefits, having displaced AMerican workers.  But Trump sold out to the tech power brokers.  Better to kiss their *ss apparently.


You have your finger stuck in your eye,so you can't see clearly.

Trump is our President,NOT our dictator,and he is facing a re-election. He has to focus on the things he CAN do at the moment,and set other things aside until after he no longer needs political and financial support.

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I know quite a few conservative people that lost jobs that are disappointed in Trump, many threatening not to vote for Trump in November.


These people have all the intellectual depth and political understanding of a gold fish. We elect Presidents to represent ALL the people of America,not just a few.

The fact that in the last 50 years the majority of our Presidents have mostly represented donors and political supporters with influence is WHY we are where we are today.

It's ain't about "me". It's about "us".

 
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His decision on this might just cost him the election, because a lot of these folks are in Florida and Michigan, two states he definitely needs to win in November.

In that case,those people need to be bitching at their mirrors when they start to spread the blame around about President Hilderbeast sitting in the WH.

 BTW,PLEASE do me a favor and ask them "How do you like THESE apples you helped put in office by not supporting Trump?",and let us know what their whines tell you.

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I have worked on so many projects staffed with folks from India, and I know that these low cost folks bring little to the job.  Also we are outsourcing a lot of development to India, China and the Ukraine, and the only group I thought were productive were the folks in Ukraine.  However, there is additional cost with folks flying back and forth from the Ukraine, and the language differences in working together.

This is what you will ALWAYS end up with when you have Presidents and legislators that are essentially elected by international corporations AND THE AMERICANS THAT WORK FOR THEM AND WANT TO KEEP ALL THAT SWEET MONEY ROLLING IN TO BENEFIT THEM.

The ONLY way to break that chain is to vote for the best interests of the nation,not your personal bank account.

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Due to the greed of the tech power brokers, the USA will ultimately be left behind with China, India or other nations leaving the USA in the dust.  We just do not care about our people in this country any longer.

Complete agreement!

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That is why Trump's certain election is in doubt for me.  His failure to deliver on this one issue proves how he just does not care about the American people, that his stances are nothing more than empty rhetoric.

You can't see the writing on the wall because of one finger being stuck in your eye and your head is stuck up your ass?

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Due to the greed of the tech power brokers, the USA will ultimately be left behind with China, India or other nations leaving the USA in the dust.


Not really. If we end up with a Dim President,America will no longer exist as a free and independent nation 8 years from now. We,and most likely Canada and Mexico,will become something with a name like "The North America Trade Zone",and we will be governed locally be an appointed corporate board that in turn reports to the board of something with a name like "World Wide Government,Inc".

Just wait until you see what THOSE guys pay you and your high-tech buds!

Not that you will need much cash because you will be living free in housing provided by "The Company",and your children will be going to company schools. Providing of course that you behave yourself and are a good little cog in the machine,and they behave themselves in school.

 
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We just do not care about our people in this country any longer.


I know. You can look at the selfish self-interest voting blocks for proof of that.


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That is why Trump's certain election is in doubt for me.  His failure to deliver on this one issue proves how he just does not care about the American people, that his stances are nothing more than empty rhetoric.

Uh,huh.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 11, 2020, 01:27:16 pm
Um.... God told us pretty much what was going to happen so that his followers could prepare.   He just didn't tell us the "exact" timing.  Be grateful that at least we know this is all going according to His plan and His word.
If this is God's plan, I'd hate to see Satan's.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Gefn on June 13, 2020, 05:55:08 pm
It’s not over if @corbe gives us a poll.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 13, 2020, 06:49:12 pm
As of the time of this post,sadness,with a touch of extreme anger at the people trying to destroy our nation and turn it into a leftist police state.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 13, 2020, 09:22:57 pm
   I'm very pizzed and seeing how I can't do a damn thing to change the direction my Beloved Country is going in, It just depresses me even further. 
   So, as to not further alienate myself from what little respect I've earned here, I refrain from lashing out all my frustrations on the person I feel most responsible, I never liked him anyway.

    (https://lindanee.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/the-buck-stops-here.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 16, 2020, 03:03:44 pm
   I'm very pizzed and seeing how I can't do a damn thing to change the direction my Beloved Country is going in, It just depresses me even further. 
   So, as to not further alienate myself from what little respect I've earned here, I refrain from lashing out all my frustrations on the person I feel most responsible, I never liked him anyway.

    (https://lindanee.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/the-buck-stops-here.jpg)

Clownworld. We're living in a clownworld. No other way to describe it.

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Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 17, 2020, 01:44:30 am
   I'm very pizzed and seeing how I can't do a damn thing to change the direction my Beloved Country is going in, It just depresses me even further. 
   So, as to not further alienate myself from what little respect I've earned here, I refrain from lashing out all my frustrations on the person I feel most responsible, I never liked him anyway.

    (https://lindanee.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/the-buck-stops-here.jpg)

Well, I'm pretty damned pizzed at the same man ....yes it is depressing and it could have easily been avoided.  Let' see; Russiagate, impeachment, COVID, Autozones .... we're losing our Republic while the horse and pony show continues on.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure I'm up to seeing the next act.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 17, 2020, 02:02:13 am
Well, I'm pretty damned pizzed at the same man ....yes it is depressing and it could have easily been avoided.  Let' see; Russiagate, impeachment, COVID, Autozones .... we're losing our Republic while the horse and pony show continues on.

Quite frankly, I'm not sure I'm up to seeing the next act.

@libertybele

This is the time that passes between before the shooting starts and after the shooting starts.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on June 17, 2020, 02:18:57 am
I ordered an all lives matter shirt on Amazon today...
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 17, 2020, 02:46:51 am
   I almost ordered a Lone Ranger mask to wear at the grocery store, yesterday but I live in the town that arrested a guy, at the grocery store, a few years ago for having F*ck It on a T Shirt.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5658/22751397649_11e87fa9c5_b.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Applewood on June 23, 2020, 11:26:04 am
Depressed doesn't begin to describe how I feel.  Today I just read about Trump and the Republicans being all gung-ho about yet another "stimulus."  This one will be focused on "infrastructure."  Didn't Obama throw a ton of taxpayer money at "infrastructure" not that many years ago?  But many of those who squawked about Obama's "infrastructure" spending spree are positively giddy over this latest giveaway just because it's their guy and his party who are doing it.  Don't know how many trillions this "infrastructure" scheme will cost us taxpayers, but I'm told it's necessary.  They're all necessary.  Hey, this spending buys votes and who cares that down the road the kids and grandkids will be paying for it?  Actually, I can see where we are paying for it now and it's just going to get worse. 

I was happy because a friend I haven't seen for months called and we made plans to finally get together for lunch on Thursday.  Was really looking forward to a meal with my bud because, among other things, it means for me another step toward normalcy after being isolated for so long.  But I read stuff like this latest giveaway and it makes me want to crawl under a rock and hide.  Just not good.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Lando Lincoln on June 23, 2020, 11:31:01 am
Well, after careful consideration, I'll just say; it all sucks.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Applewood on June 23, 2020, 11:54:16 am
Well, after careful consideration, I'll just say; it all sucks.

Now that is being succinct.  Alas, I worked for lawyers for so long, I can't say anything in 25 words or less.

 :beer:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 23, 2020, 12:10:15 pm
Another day of no positive news. The President and Congress will be throwing more $$ out the window...meanwhile chaos continues in the street; monuments are being toppled.  There are now threats of destruction to churches and in our President's infinite wisdom...he again makes another idle threat; "stiff prison time after night of chaos".    Yet Seattle officials in their infinite wisdom announce that some protesters cases will be dismissed.

Hello??  Congress?  Mr. President? Anyone??  STOP THIS INSANITY!!!!!

Misery Index on a scale of 1-10; 8.  I'm reserving 9 for when they start destroying churches and I'm reserving 10 for when we hit complete anarchy.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 23, 2020, 12:14:42 pm
On second thought; there is a positive; this poll is still up so I can gauge my misery  :crying:  and we have this forum so I can vent.  Thanks @corbe and @mystery-ak
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Lando Lincoln on June 23, 2020, 12:50:24 pm
 :beer:
Now that is being succinct.  Alas, I worked for lawyers for so long, I can't say anything in 25 words or less.

 :beer:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Idiot on June 23, 2020, 01:04:23 pm
:beer:
My brother being a lawyer is the same, except he's about to fall on his left side he's leaning so far.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: XenaLee on June 23, 2020, 01:13:24 pm
If this is God's plan, I'd hate to see Satan's.

Spoken like a true nonbeliever.   Satan's plan is that you end up right next to him in that Lake of Fire for all eternity.   Looks like his plan may be going accordingly.   

Free will = there has been evil stuff going on in every generation.  This is all leading to the end of the world, as that evil rises.....as written in the Bible.   We can't control what others do but we can control how we respond to events in our time.  That's the point.  The difference is faith in God vs. no faith or faith in a false god.  Your choice.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 23, 2020, 01:42:14 pm
Spoken like a true nonbeliever.   Satan's plan is that you end up right next to him in that Lake of Fire for all eternity.   Looks like his plan may be going accordingly.   

Free will = there has been evil stuff going on in every generation.  This is all leading to the end of the world, as that evil rises.....as written in the Bible.   We can't control what others do but we can control how we respond to events in our time.  That's the point.  The difference is faith in God vs. no faith or faith in a false god. Your choice.

Thank you @XenaLee   I needed that.  happy77 :0001:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: XenaLee on June 23, 2020, 01:44:31 pm
Thank you @XenaLee   I needed that.  happy77 :0001:

 888high58888 :patriot: happy77
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 23, 2020, 02:58:04 pm
   Oftentimes lately, the daily events we discuss here just seems so surreal to me, like a fairy tale from Mother Grimms (without the lessons of Aesop) regardless of whether I'm sober, drunk and/or stoned.  I seem to be lost perpetually in a world that makes no sense what so ever and I'm running out of things to do to keep me preoccupied.

   Anyway I removed the time expiration on the Misery Poll.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: XenaLee on June 23, 2020, 03:01:43 pm
   Oftentimes lately, the daily events we discuss here just seems so surreal to me, like a fairy tale from Mother Grimms (without the lessons of Aesop) regardless of whether I'm sober, drunk and/or stoned.  I seem to be lost perpetually in a world that makes no sense what so ever and I'm running out of things to do to keep me preoccupied.

   Anyway I removed the time expiration on the Misery Poll.

Dear corbe.... that is exactly why faith is so important in this life.   It's the only thing that, in times like these, keeps us believers sane and calm.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 23, 2020, 03:14:47 pm
As for me, I am happy. Nice weather. Beautiful weather this week... The fridge is full, the pantry is dang near full, and I am working on the freezer - This weekend just might be my first time out to Chain of Lakes in years and years to start throwin some trout back in that freezer. That'll be car campin, but man will it be good to be in the woods for a change!

Fixin to put 50 chickens in the freezer too, to wait on canning as I can. that's maybe another 30 days off.

Just traded some pooter services to a hillbilly, and he gave me a backpack full of chaga - So I have chaga tea again... fixin to sit on the porch with a knife peeling chaga burls... How can that be bad?

My brother and his will be here in a week, for our customary 4th of July shindig.... Looks like it won't be as well attended, as many from out of town will not be coming... But my brother and his are. And I cannot wait... A wonderful cook out, with all the trimmins... Tater salad, crab salad, chili, burgers, hot dogs, sweet tea and lemonade... Aw man, but I can't wait!

All y'all need to shut the damn news off and walk outside... get back to your lives and make something beautiful happen. Life is good, good, good. And I ain't gonna let these a$$holes fill me full of fear.

iIf the time comes that I gotta go knock a few heads, I'll worry about it when the time comes. Ain't a damn thing I can do about it now.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 23, 2020, 07:39:28 pm
Depressed doesn't begin to describe how I feel.  Today I just read about Trump and the Republicans being all gung-ho about yet another "stimulus."  This one will be focused on "infrastructure."

@Applewood

Well,I am a Republican,mostly because that seems to be the only sensible option,and I am sure as hell fired up about this.

Not in the way you are implying,though.

It's like using a credit card to cover a bounced check. Nothing good is going to come from it.

If Trump wants to do this,the thing to do is pull the money that has already been appropriated from another program not deemed to be as vital.

Unless of course you want me to die from laughing by claiming there are no unnecessary programs or spending in the feral budget.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 23, 2020, 07:43:31 pm
I'll go with the glass half full, but I thank that glass is starting to get a leak in it...........
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: catfish1957 on June 23, 2020, 07:49:02 pm
I think things will start lookng up when we start reading about more rioting BLM/Antifa casualites. 

Yes, it's gotten to the point that that people are that fed up.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 23, 2020, 07:52:07 pm
I think things will start lookng up when we start reading about more rioting BLM/Antifa casualites. 



@catfish1957

That would surely cheer ME up.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Victoria33 on June 23, 2020, 10:50:20 pm
Oftentimes lately, the daily events we discuss here just seems so surreal to me, like a fairy tale from Mother Grimms (without the lessons of Aesop) regardless of whether I'm sober, drunk and/or stoned.  I seem to be lost perpetually in a world that makes no sense what so ever and I'm running out of things to do to keep me preoccupied.
 Anyway I removed the time expiration on the Misery Poll.
@corbe
@Gefn
@sneakypete
@mystery-ak   

Poll: "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"

corbe, your poll is, "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"  I will make this post about just me in the midst of this virus.

1.  I can't walk due to my right knee collapsing with major pain, therefore the virus isn't stopping me from leaving my house; my knee is stopping me.

2.  Tomorrow, a knee surgeon will take water out of my swollen right knee, then inject hyaluronic acid into the knee as he did one week ago tomorrow.  If this doesn't allow the knee to work without major pain and collapsing, I will have knee replacement as everything has been tried for 8 months to save this knee.  The surgeon does not want to operate on an elderly person, which I am, but it will be surgery or never walk independently again.

3.  The knee replacement will happen in a hospital where COVID-19 patients are.  I know that is true since Bob had to go there a few weeks ago and there were 10 patients with that virus.  Since numbers are going up here, they likely have more of these patients, not less.

4.  My level of current misery is a 20 on a scale of 1-10.

Don't want to have surgery where virus patients are.
With knee replacement, have to go to physical therapy for months.

Doc says it will take six months or longer to completely get over knee replacement.

Unfortunately, @sneakypete, you can't do this for me, have your knee replaced instead of mine, but I know you would, if you could.   :beer:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 24, 2020, 12:38:49 am
My level basically never changes because I truly don't give rabid rat's ass what anyone else thinks. I make an honest effort to live my life the way I want to live it,and need neither permission or approval to do so as long as I remain without shouting distance of the law.

I also make an honest effort,even if I occasionally fail,to be fair to everyone and to treat almost everyone equally. With certain exceptions,of course. For example, no man that wants to live a peaceful home life treats other women like he treats his sweetie,and any that does deserves the mountain of grief that will be unloaded on him.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 24, 2020, 12:45:09 am
@corbe
@Gefn
@sneakypete
@mystery-ak   

Poll: "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"

corbe, your poll is, "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"  I will make this post about just me in the midst of this virus.

1.  I can't walk due to my right knee collapsing with major pain, therefore the virus isn't stopping me from leaving my house; my knee is stopping me.

2.  Tomorrow, a knee surgeon will take water out of my swollen right knee, then inject hyaluronic acid into the knee as he did one week ago tomorrow.  If this doesn't allow the knee to work without major pain and collapsing, I will have knee replacement as everything has been tried for 8 months to save this knee.  The surgeon does not want to operate on an elderly person, which I am, but it will be surgery or never walk independently again.

3.  The knee replacement will happen in a hospital where COVID-19 patients are.  I know that is true since Bob had to go there a few weeks ago and there were 10 patients with that virus.  Since numbers are going up here, they likely have more of these patients, not less.

4.  My level of current misery is a 20 on a scale of 1-10.

Don't want to have surgery where virus patients are.
With knee replacement, have to go to physical therapy for months.

Doc says it will take six months or longer to completely get over knee replacement.

Unfortunately, @sneakypete, you can't do this for me, have your knee replaced instead of mine, but I know you would, if you could.   :beer:

@Victoria33

Hah! I need at least 4 myself. Two to replace the junk ones I have thanks to having been a career paratrooper,and a couple of spares because I am no longer as graceful as I once was.

Every morning when I wake up,getting out of bed is an adventure. First,I have to make sure everything is working,and then I  had to determine how well it is working at that moment,and then try to convince it all to work together. NOT as easy as it used to be.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2020, 03:56:08 am
Well, Aside from watching the savings swirl around the drain, the uncertainty if I will ever work another well as a geologist, not getting enough hours on the current job, I'm still a mite optimistic. The job is outside, no contact, and essential, so maybe that will improve.
But overall, some scattered videos have shown me a couple of things. Aside from the looting and burning riots, the numbers at these demonstrations don't seem to be as great as the Media are trying to portray. It's a typical Bolshevik tactic of saying you are in the majority when actually your numbers are relatively few. Sure, some show up for something to do, the lockdowns have been tough, but others are tired of the BS, are tired of being played (as Blacks generally are at this point) and are, I believe tired of the petty tyranny of feeling unable to speak their minds against any of this crap, even as they watch their businesses or jobs go up in smoke.
People are getting tired of do-nothing politicians who have allowed lawless zones to proliferate, are tired of the destruction of memorials, which no longer have to have anything to do with slaves, and just want their lives back without all the crap. A growing number of whites, despite the media BS, are saying "Hell NO! I'm not taking a knee. I never owned or mistreated anyone, and I'll be damned if I'm kissing anyone's ass just because it is darker than mine."

So, I think the "revolution" is more fake news, not that destruction and death hasn't accompanied it, just that it doesn't have the broad based support the media would have us believe. When (as in @DCPatriot  's video) a black woman with an apparently hand crafted (not slick preprinted) sign is holding up something that says "Stop pretending that you give a F***", there is a narrative we are not getting from the media, where what bleeds leads and fire is above the fold. (Good news may be found, occasionally, in the legal notices).

We are not getting the whole story, and what we are getting is seriously skewed. So, there's hope. Keep your powder dry and get in your range time just in case, but put a mite more faith in The Almighty. We'll survive all this, too.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: DCPatriot on June 24, 2020, 05:53:13 am
Well, Aside from watching the savings swirl around the drain, the uncertainty if I will ever work another well as a geologist, not getting enough hours on the current job, I'm still a mite optimistic. The job is outside, no contact, and essential, so maybe that will improve.
But overall, some scattered videos have shown me a couple of things. Aside from the looting and burning riots, the numbers at these demonstrations don't seem to be as great as the Media are trying to portray. It's a typical Bolshevik tactic of saying you are in the majority when actually your numbers are relatively few. Sure, some show up for something to do, the lockdowns have been tough, but others are tired of the BS, are tired of being played (as Blacks generally are at this point) and are, I believe tired of the petty tyranny of feeling unable to speak their minds against any of this crap, even as they watch their businesses or jobs go up in smoke.
People are getting tired of do-nothing politicians who have allowed lawless zones to proliferate, are tired of the destruction of memorials, which no longer have to have anything to do with slaves, and just want their lives back without all the crap. A growing number of whites, despite the media BS, are saying "Hell NO! I'm not taking a knee. I never owned or mistreated anyone, and I'll be damned if I'm kissing anyone's ass just because it is darker than mine."

So, I think the "revolution" is more fake news, not that destruction and death hasn't accompanied it, just that it doesn't have the broad based support the media would have us believe. When (as in @DCPatriot  's video) a black woman with an apparently hand crafted (not slick preprinted) sign is holding up something that says "Stop pretending that you give a F***", there is a narrative we are not getting from the media, where what bleeds leads and fire is above the fold. (Good news may be found, occasionally, in the legal notices).

We are not getting the whole story, and what we are getting is seriously skewed. So, there's hope. Keep your powder dry and get in your range time just in case, but put a mite more faith in The Almighty. We'll survive all this, too.

@Smokin Joe     :patriot:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Idiot on June 24, 2020, 01:43:56 pm
@corbe
@Gefn
@sneakypete
@mystery-ak   

Poll: "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"

corbe, your poll is, "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"  I will make this post about just me in the midst of this virus.

1.  I can't walk due to my right knee collapsing with major pain, therefore the virus isn't stopping me from leaving my house; my knee is stopping me.

2.  Tomorrow, a knee surgeon will take water out of my swollen right knee, then inject hyaluronic acid into the knee as he did one week ago tomorrow.  If this doesn't allow the knee to work without major pain and collapsing, I will have knee replacement as everything has been tried for 8 months to save this knee.  The surgeon does not want to operate on an elderly person, which I am, but it will be surgery or never walk independently again.

3.  The knee replacement will happen in a hospital where COVID-19 patients are.  I know that is true since Bob had to go there a few weeks ago and there were 10 patients with that virus.  Since numbers are going up here, they likely have more of these patients, not less.

4.  My level of current misery is a 20 on a scale of 1-10.

Don't want to have surgery where virus patients are.
With knee replacement, have to go to physical therapy for months.

Doc says it will take six months or longer to completely get over knee replacement.

Unfortunately, @sneakypete, you can't do this for me, have your knee replaced instead of mine, but I know you would, if you could.   :beer:
Praying for you @Victoria33
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Bigun on June 24, 2020, 01:47:07 pm
I have resigned myself to the fact that the Republic I grew up loving is history and now plan to try and enjoy what little remains of my life here on this earth.  I do worry about what will become of those I leave behind.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: catfish1957 on June 24, 2020, 01:49:12 pm
I have resigned myself to the fact that the Republic I grew up loving is history and now plan to try and enjoy what little remains of my life here on this earth.  I do worry about what will become of those I leave behind.
Same here.  I just hope there is a location of refuge for my descendents, because this country is becoming a hell hole. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 24, 2020, 01:51:16 pm
1.  I can't walk due to my right knee collapsing with major pain, therefore the virus isn't stopping me from leaving my house; my knee is stopping me.

2.  Tomorrow, a knee surgeon will take water out of my swollen right knee, then inject hyaluronic acid into the knee as he did one week ago tomorrow.  If this doesn't allow the knee to work without major pain and collapsing, I will have knee replacement as everything has been tried for 8 months to save this knee.  The surgeon does not want to operate on an elderly person, which I am, but it will be surgery or never walk independently again.

3.  The knee replacement will happen in a hospital where COVID-19 patients are.  I know that is true since Bob had to go there a few weeks ago and there were 10 patients with that virus.  Since numbers are going up here, they likely have more of these patients, not less.

4.  My level of current misery is a 20 on a scale of 1-10.


Oof. I know about that... the chronic knee thing, I mean... I know all about that...

 :nono: :nono:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 24, 2020, 02:15:22 pm
Same here.  I just hope there is a location of refuge for my descendents, because this country is becoming a hell hole.

I feel the same way.  The glimmer of hope that I saw under Trump to lead us in a more positive direction and keeping our Republic in tact has dwindled significantly.  I fear for my kids and grandkids. My kids, especially the oldest holds this country dear; most of the grandkids are too young to realize what is going on and understand. I'm kicking myself everyday for not moving to a more rural and secluded area ... I didn't want to leave family behind.  At least though, perhaps they would have had a safer area to come to.  Too late now.  We don't have the health nor the energy to pick up and get out.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: libertybele on June 24, 2020, 02:19:45 pm
@corbe
@Gefn
@sneakypete
@mystery-ak   

Poll: "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"

corbe, your poll is, "What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?"  I will make this post about just me in the midst of this virus.

1.  I can't walk due to my right knee collapsing with major pain, therefore the virus isn't stopping me from leaving my house; my knee is stopping me.

2.  Tomorrow, a knee surgeon will take water out of my swollen right knee, then inject hyaluronic acid into the knee as he did one week ago tomorrow.  If this doesn't allow the knee to work without major pain and collapsing, I will have knee replacement as everything has been tried for 8 months to save this knee.  The surgeon does not want to operate on an elderly person, which I am, but it will be surgery or never walk independently again.

3.  The knee replacement will happen in a hospital where COVID-19 patients are.  I know that is true since Bob had to go there a few weeks ago and there were 10 patients with that virus.  Since numbers are going up here, they likely have more of these patients, not less.

4.  My level of current misery is a 20 on a scale of 1-10.

Don't want to have surgery where virus patients are.
With knee replacement, have to go to physical therapy for months.

Doc says it will take six months or longer to completely get over knee replacement.

Unfortunately, @sneakypete, you can't do this for me, have your knee replaced instead of mine, but I know you would, if you could.   :beer:

@Victoria 33 -- I am faced with a similar problem; supposed to go in for a couple of heart procedures -- risky and even riskier as I'll have to be on blood thinners --- then there's the whole COVID thing on top of that.

Focus on yourself -- think ahead and picture yourself feeling better and getting through all this.  Positive positive positive thinking right now is a must!  Lots of prayer too.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: skeeter on June 24, 2020, 02:22:20 pm
I have resigned myself to the fact that the Republic I grew up loving is history and now plan to try and enjoy what little remains of my life here on this earth.  I do worry about what will become of those I leave behind.

I don't know what gave me the idea the age of the sovereign individual would last forever - its not how the human race rolls.

But as always God is in control & we already know how this story ends.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: catfish1957 on June 24, 2020, 02:29:22 pm
I don't know what gave me the idea the age of the sovereign individual would last forever - its not how the human race rolls.

But as always God is in control & we already know how this story ends.

Till then, I hope Ayn Rand's vision comes to fruition.  Many Briefers here embody that spirit.  In fact, I'll venture many of the younger ones here will be happy residents of Galtville, when this whole sorry mess finally crumbles.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Gefn on June 24, 2020, 02:40:49 pm
@Victoria33

I’d gladly go through your surgery in your place for you too.

Feel better, you are a dear lady. I don’t want to see you suffer. Kisses to you and Prissy.

 6666kiss
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: aligncare on June 24, 2020, 02:41:02 pm
The first time a day goes by without my hearing the words Corona or virus on the news, my misery index will plummet. Except of course unless it’s a beer commercial or an ad for Windows operating system  :smokin:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: skeeter on June 24, 2020, 02:54:22 pm
Till then, I hope Ayn Rand's vision comes to fruition.  Many Briefers here embody that spirit.  In fact, I'll venture many of the younger ones here will be happy residents of Galtville, when this whole sorry mess finally crumbles.

There will always be that kind, the other certainty about the human race.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 24, 2020, 02:59:10 pm
Same here.  I just hope there is a location of refuge for my descendents, because this country is becoming a hell hole.

@catfish1957

Russia. HUGE country with a very low population per acre,and vast resources.

They have also been through the full cycle of this "revolution to install communism/fascism",and are over it. Regardless of the lies told,the typical Russian citizen KNOWS where this crap leads.

Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: GrouchoTex on June 24, 2020, 04:48:41 pm
The first time a day goes by without my hearing the words Corona or virus on the news, my misery index will plummet. Except of course unless it’s a beer commercial or an ad for Windows operating system  :smokin:

 :beer:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2020, 05:55:03 pm
I have resigned myself to the fact that the Republic I grew up loving is history and now plan to try and enjoy what little remains of my life here on this earth.  I do worry about what will become of those I leave behind.
Not content with that, I'm sowing the seeds of the next American Revolution if the Communists prevail.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2020, 05:57:21 pm
@Victoria33 @libertybele I will keep you ladies in my prayers.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: berdie on June 24, 2020, 08:50:34 pm
Well, misery isn't a word that is what I feel.

However, on a scale of one to 10 (10 being the  highest) I'm at an 11. Worried about my family, check. Worried about my country, check. Amazed at the destruction being allowed, check. Deeply concerned about COVID, check. Concerned about the economy, check.

Worried that we are being told the truth by the media...check, check, check.

But on the bright side (a one) getting away from the news is a great mood elevator. happy77
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 24, 2020, 09:00:13 pm
   My knob just went up another notch. 
   I was just refused service at my local lickher store (Spec's) because I wouldn't wear a mask.  Of course I have a backup plan and being a white guy, it doesn't involve arson, it's called 'delivery'.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 24, 2020, 09:03:18 pm
   My knob just went up another notch. 
   I was just refused service at my local lickher store (Spec's) because I wouldn't wear a mask.  Of course I have a backup plan and being a white guy, it doesn't involve arson, it's called 'delivery'.
Takes you back, doesn't it? Paying some guy to bring you a few bottles from the liquor store? Reminds me of my misspent youth.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Applewood on June 24, 2020, 09:24:05 pm
@catfish1957

Russia. HUGE country with a very low population per acre,and vast resources.

They have also been through the full cycle of this "revolution to install communism/fascism",and are over it. Regardless of the lies told,the typical Russian citizen KNOWS where this crap leads.

@sneakypete

I used to correspond with a Russian fella for a few years after the breakup of the Soviet Union.  He told me things really didn't change.  The so-called former communists like Putin are still communists.  Yes, they have elections now, but he said they are fixed.  And from time to time, opposition candidates "disappear."

It's a shame because I understand there is plenty of unspoiled land, natural beauty  The Russian guy sent me some photos.  Beautiful.

Lost touch with this guy -- for all I know he could be in a gulag somewhere.  Anyway, from what I heard from him and others, I don't think I'd want to live there.

Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: berdie on June 24, 2020, 09:26:19 pm
   My knob just went up another notch. 
   I was just refused service at my local lickher store (Spec's) because I wouldn't wear a mask.  Of course I have a backup plan and being a white guy, it doesn't involve arson, it's called 'delivery'.


I don't blame you. But I would file this in the "no shirt, no shoes, etc."
 file.

What you could do, and I have done, is paint mouths on your masks. I have a smiley mouth, a frowny mouth and a generic straight mouth face. Kind of conveys my mood.

My brother, who can really draw well, drew a snorting bull. He's a bar tender and got lots of laughs..and additional tips.

Sometimes ya just have to make your own fun. happy77

 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 24, 2020, 09:41:11 pm
   Mayor issued the proclamation late last night, mandatory next Monday, no penalties/fines for not wearing one but all the companies were on board 5 days ahead, another testament to our corrupt Chamber of Commerce. 
   As San Antonio/Austin area goes so does my little town, too. 
   Just one more major inconvenience that has become the 'new' normal.  We're not getting the 'old' normal back and man that was quick.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: aligncare on June 24, 2020, 09:49:29 pm
@sneakypete

I used to correspond with a Russian fella for a few years after the breakup of the Soviet Union.  He told me things really didn't change.  The so-called former communists like Putin are still communists.  Yes, they have elections now, but he said they are fixed.  And from time to time, opposition candidates "disappear."

It's a shame because I understand there is plenty of unspoiled land, natural beauty  The Russian guy sent me some photos.  Beautiful.

Lost touch with this guy -- for all I know he could be in a gulag somewhere.  Anyway, from what I heard from him and others, I don't think I'd want to live there.

And this differs from the United States how?

We’ve got a stealth state run media, massive political corruption, we’ve got socialist corporations and oligarchs and wealth transference and government social experimentation.

Except for a few superficial differences we’ve become them.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Axeslinger on June 24, 2020, 09:52:19 pm
   My knob just went up another notch. 
   I was just refused service at my local lickher store (Spec's) because I wouldn't wear a mask.  Of course I have a backup plan and being a white guy, it doesn't involve arson, it's called 'delivery'.
My gov just announced mandatory masks for all.   I just ran the numbers.   My state has a population of ~10.5M.  53k cases, 2300 fatalities.

That’s 0.5% have the disease.  And 0.011% (PERCENT!!!) have died. 

Currently I’m leaning towards some civil disobedience.  Either that, or this is how I’m wearing my mask:

(https://s3.envato.com/files/276968286/088-2017_11_26_IMG_18099.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Applewood on June 24, 2020, 10:17:03 pm
   Mayor issued the proclamation late last night, mandatory next Monday, no penalties/fines for not wearing one but all the companies were on board 5 days ahead, another testament to our corrupt Chamber of Commerce. 
   As San Antonio/Austin area goes so does my little town, too. 
   Just one more major inconvenience that has become the 'new' normal.  We're not getting the 'old' normal back and man that was quick.

I think once people get really tired of this nonsense, you will see an all-out rebellion.  Then those face masks, social distancing and the rest will go away. 

Already I think there are cracks in the WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE mantra.  Here in western PA, the media allies of the Democrat/socialist leadership have, for several days now, been trying to scare people by reporting an uptick in COVID cases.  Then tonight one of the local stations had an interview with two medical directors at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC).  One of them said that UPMC has actually seen a downturn in the number of COVID cases.  The other man said  that they believe the alarmist reports are omitting certain facts -- namely, that the vast majority of new cases are patients with very mild symptoms and in some cases, there are no symptoms at all. 

I think people are slowly realizing that all this scary news is bogus.  As they do so, you will see a lot fewer masks, and all that other "new normal" nonsense will be gone too. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: 240B on June 24, 2020, 10:31:18 pm
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This is a literal description of my life right now.
I have become a refund manager, refunding tons of crap to Amazon that I would NEVER buy sober.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 24, 2020, 10:52:57 pm
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Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: 240B on June 24, 2020, 11:05:40 pm

    You need to renew your subscription to P0rnhub, @240B
I've only been to PornHub once or twice.
And even then it was only for the articles.
Why are so many of you guys pushing this?
Are you getting paid by them?
Never heard so much about PornHub ever, except on this site.

(but seriously, anyone who 'subscribes' to any porn site is a fool. you are putting your email/cellphone on dozens of lists, domestic and international, you probably do not want to be on)
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 25, 2020, 12:02:23 am
I think once people get really tired of this nonsense, you will see an all-out rebellion.  Then those face masks, social distancing and the rest will go away. 

Already I think there are cracks in the WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE mantra.  Here in western PA, the media allies of the Democrat/socialist leadership have, for several days now, been trying to scare people by reporting an uptick in COVID cases.  Then tonight one of the local stations had an interview with two medical directors at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC).  One of them said that UPMC has actually seen a downturn in the number of COVID cases.  The other man said  that they believe the alarmist reports are omitting certain facts -- namely, that the vast majority of new cases are patients with very mild symptoms and in some cases, there are no symptoms at all. 

I think people are slowly realizing that all this scary news is bogus.  As they do so, you will see a lot fewer masks, and all that other "new normal" nonsense will be gone too.
Well, one thing about stuffing COVID patients in nursing homes. You can't kill all those old folks a second time.
That means they have to find another way to panic people. Look for percentage increases in states where new case counts were low...It makes the numbers even scarier.

Considering nothing about the "New Normal" was normal, people aren't buying it.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2020, 02:12:22 am
@sneakypete

I used to correspond with a Russian fella for a few years after the breakup of the Soviet Union.  He told me things really didn't change.  The so-called former communists like Putin are still communists. Yes, they have elections now, but he said they are fixed.  And from time to time, opposition candidates "disappear."

It's a shame because I understand there is plenty of unspoiled land, natural beauty  The Russian guy sent me some photos.  Beautiful.

Lost touch with this guy -- for all I know he could be in a gulag somewhere.  Anyway, from what I heard from him and others, I don't think I'd want to live there.

@Applewood

Not true. They are now capitalists,and are more focused on acquiring and keeping personal wealth than they are anything else. Communism is truly a thing of the past there,except for a VERY few knuckleheads,and by now most of them have died out.



Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Applewood on June 25, 2020, 02:16:47 am
@Applewood

Not true. They are now capitalists,and are more focused on acquiring and keeping personal wealth than they are anything else. Communism is truly a thing of the past there,except for a VERY few knuckleheads,and by now most of them have died out.

@sneakypete

Russia is still for all practical purposes a dictatorship.  Putin isn't going anywhere anytime soon. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2020, 02:22:46 am
@sneakypete

Russia is still for all practical purposes a dictatorship.  Putin isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

@Applewood

Yeah,sorta mostly true.

BUT........,consider the fact that in today's world,a benign dictatorship gives the normal citizen a pass to live their lives the way they see fit,as long as you don't cause trouble.

Which is more than you can say for most alleged Democracies these days,including our own.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 25, 2020, 02:23:55 am
@Applewood

Yeah,sorta mostly true.

BUT........,consider the fact that in today's world,a benign dictatorship gives the normal citizen a pass to live their lives the way they see fit,as long as you don't cause trouble.

Which is more than you can say for most alleged Democracies these days,including our own.
Well, as long as you aren't too successful, either. Then it's go directly to jail and forfeit your assets.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Applewood on June 25, 2020, 02:39:09 am
@Applewood

Yeah,sorta mostly true.

BUT........,consider the fact that in today's world,a benign dictatorship gives the normal citizen a pass to live their lives the way they see fit,as long as you don't cause trouble.

Which is more than you can say for most alleged Democracies these days,including our own.

@sneakypete

Sorry, but I'm no fan of dictatorships -- benign or otherwise. 

And I still consider Russia as our enemy.  Would never trust Putin.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 25, 2020, 03:50:51 am
I've only been to PornHub once or twice.
And even then it was only for the articles.
Why are so many of you guys pushing this?
Are you getting paid by them?
Never heard so much about PornHub ever, except on this site.

(but seriously, anyone who 'subscribes' to any porn site is a fool. you are putting your email/cellphone on dozens of lists, domestic and international, you probably do not want to be on)

That's what "burner" gmail addresses are for....and never pay more than free.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 25, 2020, 04:22:31 am
@sneakypete

Sorry, but I'm no fan of dictatorships -- benign or otherwise. 

And I still consider Russia as our enemy.  Would never trust Putin.
I don't trust any of OUR politicians, so why would I trust anyone else's?
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 25, 2020, 06:06:01 am
@Applewood

Not true. They are now capitalists,and are more focused on acquiring and keeping personal wealth than they are anything else. Communism is truly a thing of the past there,except for a VERY few knuckleheads,and by now most of them have died out.

Nah Pete... It's the same thing happening all over... Elitists want to reign - It ain't about being rich to them... It's about grinding people under their heel. Communism has always been nothing but a cover to return to feudalism. The right of kings and lords.

And capitalism without its ethics is crony-capitalism - What better way to cut out your competition and secure your fortune than to have the government do it for you?

So put socialism together with crony-capitalism and what do you get? A return to feudalism and mercantilism - Just exactly what has been the norm for aeons.

An unethical people will get the government they deserve.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 25, 2020, 06:09:09 am
@Applewood

Yeah,sorta mostly true.

BUT........,consider the fact that in today's world,a benign dictatorship gives the normal citizen a pass to live their lives the way they see fit,as long as you don't cause trouble.

Which is more than you can say for most alleged Democracies these days,including our own.

Yes, a benign king os the best form of government... The problem is, kings die. Then what?
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2020, 07:17:45 am
@sneakypete

Sorry, but I'm no fan of dictatorships -- benign or otherwise. 

And I still consider Russia as our enemy.  Would never trust Putin.

@Applewood

Russia isn't Putin,any more than America was Obomber.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2020, 07:19:43 am
I don't trust any of OUR politicians, so why would I trust anyone else's?

@Smokin Joe

And there it is. Putin and his followers followed the model of American Presidents like Clinton and Obomber when they set their new system up after the collapse of Communism.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2020, 07:22:11 am
Yes, a benign king os the best form of government... The problem is, kings die. Then what?

@roamer_1

Historically,the nobility get together and fight it out to determine who the next King will be.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Applewood on June 25, 2020, 02:49:40 pm
@roamer_1

Historically,the nobility get together and fight it out to determine who the next King will be.

@sneakypete

Or they pass the crown on to the firstborn son, if there is one. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 25, 2020, 03:07:34 pm
@sneakypete

Or they pass the crown on to the firstborn son, if there is one.

That's the thing. And the son is seldom of the cut of the father... The norm becomes a 'nobility' with pomp and little more, as history attests. And sooner or later comes a tyrant, with all the mechanisms in place for immediate ascension. And terror reigns complete.

That is the problem with a benevolent kingdom.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2020, 03:26:32 pm
@sneakypete

Or they pass the crown on to the firstborn son, if there is one.

@Applewood

And the current Kings children have had bodyguards their entire lives. There were good reasons for this.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Victoria33 on June 25, 2020, 04:33:16 pm
Praying for you @Victoria33
@mrpotatohead
@corbe
@Gefn
@roamer_1
@mystery-ak
@sneakypete

Well, potato, went yesterday to get shots in both knees.  I have a high tolerance for pain and am not afraid of needles, being an EMT.

Wore a face shield instead of hot N95 mask.  That was accepted by the three who check patients before they go into the main waiting room.

The shots were horribly painful this time and I have had numerous shots in the right knee before, but these shots were so bad, I had to control myself and not yell out loud.  Doc kept asking me if I was okay, and I said "yes", each time because I had to have these shots.

What I did not know is what he said after the shots were over.  He said,
"Wait six to eight weeks to see if these shots work. If they do not, come back then."

So, here I sit with a right knee that is painful from the shots and from being bone on bone and collapsing, and wait 8! weeks to see if they worked.   :shrug:

Do you, potato, (and maybe @sneakypete) have time to be a "servant" in our house to bring me whatever I need/want all day?  It will help if you are not white, so I can get "extra points" from whichever group is for/against "servants".   333cleo

Thank you for prayers.   888high58888
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 25, 2020, 04:45:39 pm
@mrpotatohead

Well, potato, went yesterday to get shots in both knees.  I have a high tolerance for pain and am not afraid of needles, being an EMT.

Wore a face shield instead of hot N95 mask.  That was accepted by the three who check patients before they go into the main waiting room.

The shots were horribly painful this time and I have had numerous shots in the right knee before, but these shots were so bad, I had to control myself and not yell out loud.  Doc kept asking me if I was okay, and I said "yes", each time because I had to have these shots.

What I did not know is what he said after the shots were over.  He said,
"Wait six to eight weeks to see if these shots work. If they do not, come back then."

So, here I sit with a right knee that is painful from the shots and from being bone on bone and collapsing, and wait 8! weeks to see if they worked.   :shrug:

Do you have time to be a "servant" in our house to bring me whatever I need/want all day?  It will help if you are not white, so I can get "extra points" from whichever group is for/against "servants".   333cleo

Thank you for prayers.   888high58888

@Victoria33

My mamma went through hell and back with a bad hip and knee from where  horse rubbed her off on a fence post many years prior... Don;t get me wrong, she got over the initial injury, but never quite all the way.

Toward the end of it though, she was suffering awful... Got the knee done first, and man, what a difference. Got the hip done a year later and was back to sailing around town and doing what all...

The only real disability that remained was than she could never more kneel again - The knee was tender to that, so her gardens suffered, and she wound up converting to raised beds and hanging plants... But other than that, man, what a difference! What a grand and wonderful difference...

Some years later, she had the other side done, hip and knee at the same time... That was easy 15 years ago, and she is still putting around just fine.

I feel for you Vic, I do, but if it is time to go at it, just git er done. It;s tough in recovery, but if you are like my mamma, she was much relieved, even right after the surgery, and within 10 days or so, we were having to hold her back.

 :0001: :0001: :0001:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 25, 2020, 07:32:51 pm
@mrpotatohead
@corbe
@Gefn
@roamer_1
@mystery-ak
@sneakypete

Well, potato, went yesterday to get shots in both knees.  I have a high tolerance for pain and am not afraid of needles, being an EMT.

Wore a face shield instead of hot N95 mask.  That was accepted by the three who check patients before they go into the main waiting room.

The shots were horribly painful this time and I have had numerous shots in the right knee before, but these shots were so bad, I had to control myself and not yell out loud.  Doc kept asking me if I was okay, and I said "yes", each time because I had to have these shots.

What I did not know is what he said after the shots were over.  He said,
"Wait six to eight weeks to see if these shots work. If they do not, come back then."

So, here I sit with a right knee that is painful from the shots and from being bone on bone and collapsing, and wait 8! weeks to see if they worked.   :shrug:

Do you, potato, (and maybe @sneakypete) have time to be a "servant" in our house to bring me whatever I need/want all day?  It will help if you are not white, so I can get "extra points" from whichever group is for/against "servants".   333cleo

Thank you for prayers.   888high58888

@Victoria33

Well,technically,I am a "breed". 1/4 Injun,half-Greek,whatever the hell THAT is,and the rest Scots-Irish.
LOOK white,except for the black eyes. That should count for all kinds of points.

I MIGHT sometimes have a temper problem if alcohol is involved,and I move so slow because of my own back and knees these days that you might die of thirst before I could bring you a glass of water.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 25, 2020, 08:15:31 pm
@Smokin Joe

And there it is. Putin and his followers followed the model of American Presidents like Clinton and Obomber when they set their new system up after the collapse of Communism.
Communism is no more dead than I am. But telling everyone it is, is one of the most effective methods of smokescreening its spread,growth, and that peculiar evangelistic rebranding that pervades our society known as "socialism". It's all the same stuff, from the same philosophy, and it all leads to totalitarianism, no matter what warm and fuzzy terms get wrapped around it.
It really isn't so much about the -ism, that's just a selling technique.
At the bottom of it all there is a consolidation of power, with the means to impose it, and the muscle to enforce it.
Add in everything interlaced and monitored, from pocket change purchases, location, communications, personal networking, etc. (Things people here willingly do with a cell phone "for convenience"), and half the job is done for them. Some monitoring software and a set of flags, and there WILL BE NO RESISTANCE, because it will be de-funded by a 'security leak' or interdicted by force if necessary.

A few snitches on the ground (see something, say something--rewards discreetly transferred to your account) for what the monitors won't catch, and you're in business and in total control.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 26, 2020, 12:23:25 am

  Communism is no more dead than I am.


@Smokin Joe

Better call the meat wagon before the stink gets overpowering,cause communism is DAID,dead,bubba!

The former communists in positions of power are all now Full Race Fascists. Same critter,nicer suits.

The mail difference is everybody has a sudden interest in making money,and the standard of living is MUCH higher now that individuals are allowed to open and run businesses as long as they give the state their cut of the profits.



 
 

 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Victoria33 on June 26, 2020, 12:30:06 am
@mrpotatohead
@corbe
@Gefn
@roamer_1
@mystery-ak
@sneakypete

Hmmm, sneakypete, think if you were here we would need TWO servants, one for you and one for me.

This is the bottom line:
I don't have the virus.
I have a paid-for-house and car, I have some money for food and food in the house.  The power is on.  The bad knee won't kill me but the virus could but, once again, I don't have the virus.  So many people are sick with virus, some will die, others have no job, virus numbers are going up so death numbers will go up within two weeks.

The high death numbers are there - don't tell me this virus is a hoax.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2020, 12:36:08 am
The only people I see crying "Hoax!" are Democrats, pretending the President and task force aren't taking it seriously,  @Victoria33

But, you will have a hard time convincing Joe Sixpack it's a real problem, because none of the Joes failed to notice the government was beyond cool with protests and the attendant rioting.  That was OK, but going to Church is not, and people are pretty angry because they think we've been had.

Approving of riots and statues being torn down blew the entire thing.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Victoria33 on June 26, 2020, 01:16:14 am
The only people I see crying "Hoax!" are Democrats, pretending the President and task force aren't taking it seriously,  @Victoria33
But, you will have a hard time convincing Joe Sixpack it's a real problem, because none of the Joes failed to notice the government was beyond cool with protests and the attendant rioting.  That was OK, but going to Church is not, and people are pretty angry because they think we've been had.
Approving of riots and statues being torn down blew the entire thing.

My dear Cyber, and I mean that, I have read some of your posts regarding the two subjects above.  The killing of black men is one subject and the virus is another and you are putting them together.  One did not cause the other.  Sure, many of the rioters did not wear masks and many of those people will get the virus as they were not standing there silent, they were yelling with sputum flying out their mouths onto each other.

About churches:  Those places filled to the max with no masks, and singing, were the same as the rioters exchanging sputum.  Our church followed the Tarrant County guidelines and shut the doors.  When Tarrant County changed their guidelines, the church could open with 25% capacity with all wearing masks and sitting 6 ft. apart.  PLUS, the church says no person 60 or over should go to church.  At 86, I don't go - I watch it Sunday on their Facebook page.  It starts at 8 am and stays on there all day to watch it later. If you want to see the service anytime on Sunday, go to search, Put "St. Francis Catholic Church, Grapevine, Texas, Face Book" and it will come up. 

Today, Tarrant County has 9,846 in hospital, hundreds more than yesterday.  I expect Tarrant County to change the rules again and church doors could close again just as they will close businesses again.  It is the virus making the rules right now, not rioters. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2020, 01:50:31 am
@Victoria33  My point stands (despite the velvet glove/iron fist insults):  The riots completely undermined the arguments for locking people down, and that may or not be an accurate perception.  That is not the point.  The point is, people are going to refuse to submit to the lockdown conditions they accepted 6 weeks ago.

Expect to see a lot of extended middle fingers if you try to tell them the correctness of your position.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Victoria33 on June 26, 2020, 02:17:11 am
Cyber, you said: "The riots completely undermined the arguments for locking people down, and that may or not be an accurate perception.  That is not the point.  The point is, people are going to refuse to submit to the lockdown conditions they accepted 6 weeks ago."

"The riots completely undermined the arguments for locking people down,..."
How, Cyber?  Are you saying the rioters did not get sick, therefore don't wear mask?

"...people are going to refuse to submit to the lockdown conditions they accepted 6 weeks ago."
Well, here, Gov. Abbott, today, made every business to get fined unless all the employees and customers wear a mask.  That is his first change since the numbers went up so fast in the last several days.  If he has business shut down due to the fast spread, he will encourage people to stay home.  People in Dallas County/Tarrant County/Denton County, stayed home the first time.  I think if the numbers get really high and business closes, they will stay home.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Idiot on June 26, 2020, 02:21:18 am
@mrpotatohead
@corbe
@Gefn
@roamer_1
@mystery-ak
@sneakypete

Well, potato, went yesterday to get shots in both knees.  I have a high tolerance for pain and am not afraid of needles, being an EMT.

Wore a face shield instead of hot N95 mask.  That was accepted by the three who check patients before they go into the main waiting room.

The shots were horribly painful this time and I have had numerous shots in the right knee before, but these shots were so bad, I had to control myself and not yell out loud.  Doc kept asking me if I was okay, and I said "yes", each time because I had to have these shots.

What I did not know is what he said after the shots were over.  He said,
"Wait six to eight weeks to see if these shots work. If they do not, come back then."

So, here I sit with a right knee that is painful from the shots and from being bone on bone and collapsing, and wait 8! weeks to see if they worked.   :shrug:

Do you, potato, (and maybe @sneakypete) have time to be a "servant" in our house to bring me whatever I need/want all day?  It will help if you are not white, so I can get "extra points" from whichever group is for/against "servants".   333cleo

Thank you for prayers.   888high58888
@Victoria33 I play tennis with one guy that's had double knee replacements and is in his upper 80's and one guy that's had a hip replacement.  It's amazing what they can do now.  I hope you can get some relief. 

Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 26, 2020, 03:01:37 am


@Smokin Joe

Better call the meat wagon before the stink gets overpowering,cause communism is DAID,dead,bubba!

The former communists in positions of power are all now Full Race Fascists. Same critter,nicer suits.

The mail difference is everybody has a sudden interest in making money,and the standard of living is MUCH higher now that individuals are allowed to open and run businesses as long as they give the state their cut of the profits.
I don't care what haircut they give it, what clothes they dress it in, what language or dialect they spew it in, it's the same ol' same ol', "new and improved", with just with a little different scent.

"We are trained Marxists" said the gal who is a co-founder of BLM, it's the same poison packaged in a different color box.
The whole proletariat thingy they used in 1917 won't work with people who don't (work), so they had to have a different package to sell it.

Either way it's still the whole "Privileged" Middle Class holding down the Downtrodden underclass, While the real (very) rich b@stards running that sh*tshow manipulate things so they will be left holding the whole mess under their thumb in the end, with as near absolute power as can be had, of course.

The promise is Equality, believed by the foot soldiers to mean increased wealth, but in reality, equal and abject misery for (almost) all. In the meantime, tear down and ignore History (which will predict the outcome) because the 'right' people didn't try it yet and they didn't try hard enough.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 26, 2020, 03:06:12 am
The only people I see crying "Hoax!" are Democrats, pretending the President and task force aren't taking it seriously,  @Victoria33

But, you will have a hard time convincing Joe Sixpack it's a real problem, because none of the Joes failed to notice the government was beyond cool with protests and the attendant rioting.  That was OK, but going to Church is not, and people are pretty angry because they think we've been had.

Approving of riots and statues being torn down blew the entire thing.
But the rioters and art critics were younger, and though they will catch it in droves, they aren't likely to die from it. In this state, the highest infected group is the 20-40, with 1476 cases and zero deaths (total, 1362 recovered so far),

The serious wave to watch for is when they transmit the disease to those who are more at risk. Then the death toll may jump. 
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2020, 03:10:49 am
Cyber, you said: "The riots completely undermined the arguments for locking people down, and that may or not be an accurate perception.  That is not the point.  The point is, people are going to refuse to submit to the lockdown conditions they accepted 6 weeks ago."

"The riots completely undermined the arguments for locking people down,..."
How, Cyber?  Are you saying the rioters did not get sick, therefore don't wear mask?

I am saying the media will never report them as being caused by virtue of being rioters.  In NYC, the contact tracers are not permitted to ask if a COVID Positive patient if they participated in them.  Yes, they'll get sick, but it will be Abbot, Trump and the hated Churches that caused the ghetto rats to get sick.

Quote
"...people are going to refuse to submit to the lockdown conditions they accepted 6 weeks ago."
Well, here, Gov. Abbott, today, made every business to get fined unless all the employees and customers wear a mask.  That is his first change since the numbers went up so fast in the last several days.  If he has business shut down due to the fast spread, he will encourage people to stay home.  People in Dallas County/Tarrant County/Denton County, stayed home the first time.  I think if the numbers get really high and business closes, they will stay home.

Workers are far more likely to refuse to go to work (if they can afford it) than they are to going into a workplace that requires the mask. 

(This would be a good time to mention, as an aside, I worked on the Test Floor of a wafer fabrication facility, under clean room conditions.  That means every day I wore a Bunny Suit, hood, spit mask (those are the cheap paper ones you see people wearing, not the N95), vinyl gloves and protective glasses.  6 years, 6 1/2 days per week.)  I have no shyness when it comes to wearing the mask, but I won't anyway.

Abbot has taken his Scepter and ruled, so let's find out how omnipotent he is.  Good ol' boys all over TX will be giving him the finger, and that's too bad, because I think there is a serious concern, and nobody in government (in either Party) is letting science dictate their actions.  They're stampeding.

I'm worried as all get out, but not about the COVID-19.  I am worried Americans are allowing themselves to be cowed into complying with orders that make no sense.  Reminder:  For the first month, Drs Vauci and Birx insisted masks won't help at all (even harm!), but when the supply of masks was assured, suddenly masks were vital!  Gotta wear 'em under penalty of law!  Have you ever asked, even once, why that was?  Hint:  Factors unrelated to science were in play.  They still are today, 6/25/20.  And the demanded masks (or you will surely die) still choke off enough Oxygen to drive blood saturation levels below those permitted by OSHA regulations.  People driving their cars wearing a mask are still crashing their cars when they pass out from lack of O2.

Yours is a valid perspective borne of hard fought experience.  I have one too, borne of different experience.  Right now, I think a lot of people just had the experience of months of politician-induced panic, followed by an insistence on the part of the same politicians we are to consider rioting to be an OK activity.  What do you think their experience has taught them?
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2020, 03:25:52 am
But the rioters and art critics were younger, and though they will catch it in droves, they aren't likely to die from it. In this state, the highest infected group is the 20-40, with 1476 cases and zero deaths (total, 1362 recovered so far),

The serious wave to watch for is when they transmit the disease to those who are more at risk. Then the death toll may jump.

It might, but it won't be pinned on the rioters, where it belongs.  It'll be because those bastid Republicans took their boots off the necks of their Subjects.  I'll bet some real folding money that my Governor, Ducey, will be announcing a new, more severe lock down order.  That mandatory quarantine order from the New Yorks requiring a 14 day time out is putting a lot of pressure upon someone I know, everybody knows, will cave eventually.  I expect an order to take effect by Monday morning, likely tomorrow being a Friday.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Smokin Joe on June 26, 2020, 04:03:32 am
It might, but it won't be pinned on the rioters, where it belongs.  It'll be because those bastid Republicans took their boots off the necks of their Subjects.  I'll bet some real folding money that my Governor, Ducey, will be announcing a new, more severe lock down order.  That mandatory quarantine order from the New Yorks requiring a 14 day time out is putting a lot of pressure upon someone I know, everybody knows, will cave eventually.  I expect an order to take effect by Monday morning, likely tomorrow being a Friday.
That will be the start of the Economy killer the Communists want.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: 240B on June 26, 2020, 04:47:46 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zi77ZXh.jpeg)
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Gefn on June 26, 2020, 11:49:27 am
@Victoria33  My point stands (despite the velvet glove/iron fist insults):  The riots completely undermined the arguments for locking people down, and that may or not be an accurate perception.  That is not the point.  The point is, people are going to refuse to submit to the lockdown conditions they accepted 6 weeks ago.

Expect to see a lot of extended middle fingers if you try to tell them the correctness of your position.

I don’t know if this is correct or not. I just know I got my absentee ballot in the mail last week, and everyone is complaining about how ridiculous it is. They’re complaining on the news, on the web, the radio, everywhere. At this point, it doesn’t matter, it’s Trump vs Biden, but holy heck, everyone I know can’t fill out the thing properly, plus they want to go to an actual physical poll like you normally do and you cannot do. The entire state is mandatory mail in ballot.

If this is the November election it’s going to be a cluster duck plus I really like being a poll worker. This election is way too important to have it be entirely mail in ballot.
(I’m off my soap box now)  :soangry:

But seriously, I’m almost thinking of not voting because it really is such a cluster duck and that is really how mad I am (voting in the primary. Not November)
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: sneakypete on June 26, 2020, 12:23:27 pm
I don't care what haircut they give it, what clothes they dress it in, what language or dialect they spew it in, it's the same ol' same ol', "new and improved", with just with a little different scent.

"We are trained Marxists" said the gal who is a co-founder of BLM, it's the same poison packaged in a different color box.
The whole proletariat thingy they used in 1917 won't work with people who don't (work), so they had to have a different package to sell it.

Either way it's still the whole "Privileged" Middle Class holding down the Downtrodden underclass, While the real (very) rich b@stards running that sh*tshow manipulate things so they will be left holding the whole mess under their thumb in the end, with as near absolute power as can be had, of course.

The promise is Equality, believed by the foot soldiers to mean increased wealth, but in reality, equal and abject misery for (almost) all. In the meantime, tear down and ignore History (which will predict the outcome) because the 'right' people didn't try it yet and they didn't try hard enough.

@Smokin Joe

Yes,and no. MOST businesses will be able to operate as before,but will have a new "partner" that is also the Chairman of the Board. The name of that partner is "Big Massa Government".

That is the bad news for businesses.

The "good" news is they no longer have to worry about strikes,boycotts,or government agencies making it hard for them to do business because their Chairman is "from the government" and has the authority to send in the military to bust heads and get workers back on the production lines.

Hell,he even has the power to force your customers buy from you at your price!

No worries about environmental laws,either.

Why,if you are a businessman or worker and you work hard and mind your own business you have nothing to worry about and will get to enjoy all the freedom they are willing to allow you to have.

Step out of line and they will crush you like a bug,though.

There are storm clouds in every government-managed paradise,regardless of the alias the government happens to go by.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 26, 2020, 01:57:49 pm
But the rioters and art critics were younger, and though they will catch it in droves, they aren't likely to die from it. In this state, the highest infected group is the 20-40, with 1476 cases and zero deaths (total, 1362 recovered so far),

The serious wave to watch for is when they transmit the disease to those who are more at risk. Then the death toll may jump.

Them kind ain't likely to visit grandma anyhow, so...
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 26, 2020, 02:47:06 pm
I don’t know if this is correct or not. I just know I got my absentee ballot in the mail last week, and everyone is complaining about how ridiculous it is. They’re complaining on the news, on the web, the radio, everywhere. At this point, it doesn’t matter, it’s Trump vs Biden, but holy heck, everyone I know can’t fill out the thing properly, plus they want to go to an actual physical poll like you normally do and you cannot do. The entire state is mandatory mail in ballot.

If this is the November election it’s going to be a cluster duck plus I really like being a poll worker. This election is way too important to have it be entirely mail in ballot.
(I’m off my soap box now)  :soangry:

But seriously, I’m almost thinking of not voting because it really is such a cluster duck and that is really how mad I am (voting in the primary. Not November)

In AZ, Maricopa County (Phoenix) just announced this week they are reducing the nuber of polling places from 500 down to 70.  In 2016 they did that for the Presidential Preference election, and it created three-five hour lines all over the County.  Being a general election, this will be much worse for people wanting to vote in person. 

I am more glad than ever we left that place.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 26, 2020, 05:14:35 pm
Depressed nation: Fewest ever say future looks good, vacations off, retirement jitters

by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist |   | June 26, 2020 12:11 PM


After a spurt of enthusiasm when states started to reopen from the coronavirus shutdown, people have become gloomy, increasingly worried about their retirements, summer vacations, and the future.

In the latest “Back-to-Normal Barometer,” conducted to provide consumer insight to businesses and trade groups post-virus, the number of people who believe their best days are ahead has hit a new low.

In the survey, just 47% strongly agree that “the best years of my life are still to come.”

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/depressed-nation-fewest-ever-say-future-looks-good-vacations-off-retirement-jitters (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/depressed-nation-fewest-ever-say-future-looks-good-vacations-off-retirement-jitters)

Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 28, 2020, 01:06:27 am
It is the virus making the rules right now, not rioters.
No. Viruses have no brains. They do not make rules. The government makes the rules. They are the ones who decided they were going to micromanage the spread of the virus... which, in the long run, is impossible.

Blaming the virus is a cop-out.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: jmyrlefuller on June 28, 2020, 01:30:37 am
Depressed nation: Fewest ever say future looks good, vacations off, retirement jitters

by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist |   | June 26, 2020 12:11 PM


After a spurt of enthusiasm when states started to reopen from the coronavirus shutdown, people have become gloomy, increasingly worried about their retirements, summer vacations, and the future.

In the latest “Back-to-Normal Barometer,” conducted to provide consumer insight to businesses and trade groups post-virus, the number of people who believe their best days are ahead has hit a new low.

In the survey, just 47% strongly agree that “the best years of my life are still to come.”

<..snip..>

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/depressed-nation-fewest-ever-say-future-looks-good-vacations-off-retirement-jitters (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/depressed-nation-fewest-ever-say-future-looks-good-vacations-off-retirement-jitters)
I can certainly relate to that.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Bigun on June 28, 2020, 01:39:52 am
No. Viruses have no brains. They do not make rules. The government makes the rules. They are the ones who decided they were going to micromanage the spread of the virus... which, in the long run, is impossible.

Blaming the virus is a cop-out.

Damned right it is @jmyrlefuller we won our independence from the greatest military power on earth in a war fought in the midst of a raging smallpox epidemic for God's sake!
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 28, 2020, 01:46:37 am
   I finally fixed the spelling of 'otherwise' in the title.  Thanks Briefers for not giving me a hard time about that. 
   I know Spelling wierdo's are plentiful around here.
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Cyber Liberty on June 28, 2020, 01:50:04 am
Damned right it is @jmyrlefuller we won our independence from the greatest military power on earth in a war fought in the midst of a raging smallpox epidemic for God's sake!

This about where I am:

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Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: mystery-ak on June 28, 2020, 01:51:59 am
This about where I am:

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Oh, I like that!
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: roamer_1 on June 28, 2020, 01:55:52 am
This about where I am:


I will immediately concur, without reservation.
Beers to you.

 :beer:
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or orherwise)?
Post by: Bigun on June 28, 2020, 02:00:05 am
This about where I am:

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That's about where I've always been.

(https://i.ibb.co/tQ5DLvV/MOPP4.jpg)
Title: Re: What is the Level of your Current Misery, Politically (or otherwise)?
Post by: corbe on June 28, 2020, 02:06:38 am
   Even Good Conservative Governors like mine, Abbott, are going wobbly, scared $hitless and unsure of how to handle this 2nd wave without pizzing everybody off. 
   Closing the bars and Rivers back up in Texas was a no brainer, we are not responsible drinkers as a whole.  At least he kept the lickher stores open throughout and allowed for you take drinks from your favorite restaurant drive thru.
   Drive thru Daiquiri/Margarita shops are already showing up, just like Nawlins, that hellhole I left.