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Durbin to bring undocumented med school student to Trump speech
By Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) • 2/27/17 3:37 PM
Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin announced plans to bring an undocumented medical student as a guest to President Trump's first address to a joint session of Congress Tuesday night.
Durbin is one of the most vocal defenders of Barack Obama's executive action giving legal status to millions of children of illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for years. He said he is honored to bring Aaima Sayed, a third-year medical student at Loyola University Chicago, to Trump's speech to Congress.
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/durbin-to-bring-undocumented-med-school-student-to-trump-speech/article/2615906
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I'm not sure how illegals become med students. There is so much paperwork and documentation involved in the application process that this had to have been a deliberate choice to accept an illegal to this medical school. I would love to know how they plan to get a residency and license let alone DEA # all of which require finger prints, background checks etc.... I'm sure all the legal US residents and citizens are thrilled to find out a very coveted spot in medical school went to an illegal.
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Thanks Dick. Now ICE will know where to go to find this illegal....
(http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/handcuffs.png)
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In that event, I think it would only be fair that Trump brings an ICE agent.
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Durbin to bring undocumented med school student to Trump speech
By Susan Crabtree (@susancrabtree) • 2/27/17 3:37 PM
Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin announced plans to bring an undocumented medical student as a guest to President Trump's first address to a joint session of Congress Tuesday night.
And what will he do if Trump orders the Marshals to grab this guy and send him to ICE? Not a very smart thing to try with Trump, in my opinion.
When people try to rub Trump's nose in stuff, they often get their own nose rubbed in stuff.
If I were in Trump's position, would I sit there and take this obvious affront, or would I do what I am duty bound to do?
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Thanks Dick. Now ICE will know where to go to find this illegal....
This has the potential to backfire spectacularly on Durbin. I wonder if he's thought this thing through?
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This has the potential to backfire spectacularly on Durbin. I wonder if he's thought this thing through?
It has been said that Dick has never been the sharpest tool in Illinois... but a tool none the less.
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I'm not sure how illegals become med students. There is so much paperwork and documentation involved in the application process that this had to have been a deliberate choice to accept an illegal to this medical school. I would love to know how they plan to get a residency and license let alone DEA # all of which require finger prints, background checks etc.... I'm sure all the legal US residents and citizens are thrilled to find out a very coveted spot in medical school went to an illegal.
I am sure it is a conscious choice, on the part of the institution.
My niece is too white and too rich. She could not get into her first choice med school, for that reason. But she will make a great doctor, nonetheless.
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It has been said that Dick has never been the sharpest tool in Illinois... but a tool none the less.
Some names fit people better than others...
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I wish he'd have ICE arrest Durbin, along with the illegal, for harboring/aiding abetting, on national TV. Durbin IS guilty of that, so it would be completely appropriate.
Stop playing games with liberals and charge/arrest them. Let the Dems ans MSM scream. They will anyway.
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Oh...and then use the rest of the speech to list all the ways Democrats have used brown people as cannon fodder for their political gain. Let the MSM cut the fed on that and watch what happens when the country reacts.
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I'm not sure how illegals become med students. There is so much paperwork and documentation involved in the application process that this had to have been a deliberate choice to accept an illegal to this medical school. I would love to know how they plan to get a residency and license let alone DEA # all of which require finger prints, background checks etc.... I'm sure all the legal US residents and citizens are thrilled to find out a very coveted spot in medical school went to an illegal.
She quite possibly overstayed her visa.
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If Little Dick Durbin actually does that...Trump should order the Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives to place the illegal alien under arrest and have Border Patrol agents waiting just outside the chamber ready to take him to jail to await deportation.
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I'm not sure how illegals become med students. There is so much paperwork and documentation involved in the application process that this had to have been a deliberate choice to accept an illegal to this medical school. I would love to know how they plan to get a residency and license let alone DEA # all of which require finger prints, background checks etc.... I'm sure all the legal US residents and citizens are thrilled to find out a very coveted spot in medical school went to an illegal.
Certain states allow them to attend college...and they get to do it with in state tuition rates.
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If Little Dick Durbin actually does that...Trump should order the Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives to place the illegal alien under arrest and have Border Patrol agents waiting just outside the chamber ready to take him to jail to await deportation.
Uh trump cannot order the saa to do jack squat, unless he's king. They serve the congress, not emperor trump.
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If Little Dick Durbin actually does that...Trump should order the Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives to place the illegal alien under arrest and have Border Patrol agents waiting just outside the chamber ready to take him to jail to await deportation.
I think someone referred to this student as a "she." That would complicate the political spectacle a bit. A "he" would garner much less sympathy than a "she."
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Uh trump cannot order the saa to do jack squat, unless he's king. They serve the congress, not emperor trump.
However it would need to get done...whether it's requesting that Ryan do it or since it's a joint session have the President Pro Tem of the Senate give the command.
I think it would send a strong clear message about how serious Trump is about curbing illegal immigration AND send a message to the Dems about their little publicity stunts.
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I think someone referred to this student as a "she." That would complicate the political spectacle a bit. A "he" would garner much less sympathy than a "she."
Nah...just remind the Dems that since they've pushed for everything to be gender neutral it matter to them that it's a girl :smokin:
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However it would need to get done...whether it's requesting that Ryan do it or since it's a joint session have the President Pro Tem of the Senate give the command.
I think it would send a strong clear message about how serious Trump is about curbing illegal immigration AND send a message to the Dems about their little publicity stunts.
The congressional leaders have a duty o make sure order is maintained imo.
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The congressional leaders have a duty o make sure order is maintained imo.
I only bring up the Sergeant at Arms because he's considered the chief law enforcement officer of the House.
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Uh trump cannot order the saa to do jack squat, unless he's king. They serve the congress, not emperor trump.
Poor Little Trollish Figure. Off the rails again.
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The congressional leaders have a duty o make sure order is maintained imo.
Then she and Durbin should be arrested. There can be no order with an illegal in the chamber going free and Durbin violating law.
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To go after this med student, would be inconsistent with Trump's stated position of sympathy towards young people brought into the country.
Disrupting the Joint Session for that stunt, would bring negative results, in my view.
I want him to stay true to his stated position of going after the "really bad dudes," first.
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Then she and Durbin should be arrested. There can be no order with an illegal in the chamber going free and Durbin violating law.
I like the idea of arresting Durbin, but I see potential for that backfiring. They are already trying to portray Trump as a quasi-Dictator. If he had Durbin arrested, all the headlines tomorrow would be screaming "Dictator Trump! Blah blah blah. " This is the sort of thing that would get the public's attention, and not necessarily in a good way.
Arrest the illegal, but he should probably forbear arresting a sitting member of congress.
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I like the idea of arresting Durbin, but I see potential for that backfiring. They are already trying to portray Trump as a quasi-Dictator. If he had Durbin arrested, all the headlines tomorrow would be screaming "Dictator Trump! Blah blah blah. " This is the sort of thing that would get the public's attention, and not necessarily in a good way.
Arrest the illegal, but he should probably forbear arresting a sitting member of congress.
So? They will bitch regardless. Trump will be painted a dictator regardless. It's time for everyone to man the hell up and stop letting fear of snowflake tantrums determine what laws are enforced.
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To go after this med student, would be inconsistent with Trump's stated position of sympathy towards young people brought into the country.
Disrupting the Joint Session for that stunt, would bring negative results, in my view.
I want him to stay true to his stated position of going after the "really bad dudes," first.
You would advise the President to ignore an obvious case of law breaking in his presence? In the game of "the dozens" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dozens) that is politics, this would have the consequence of making Trump look like Durbin's B*tch.
The one thing the Alpha must do is beat back all challenges to his authority. Especially attempted humiliations.
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To go after this med student, would be inconsistent with Trump's stated position of sympathy towards young people brought into the country.
Disrupting the Joint Session for that stunt, would bring negative results, in my view.
I want him to stay true to his stated position of going after the "really bad dudes," first.
Optics shouldn't be considered when enforcing the law. Thats how dems govern.
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So? They will bitch regardless. Trump will be painted a dictator regardless. It's time for everyone to man the hell up and stop letting fear of snowflake tantrums determine what laws are enforced.
I'm not worried about the snowflakes. I'm worried about the mushy middle. Elections are always decided by the mush 10% or so of people who don't pay a lot of attention to politics.
This would get their attention, and odds are they would see it negatively.
I think the primary message could be sent by arresting the illegal.
It would demonstrate once more that Trump means what he says.
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Which is the bigger stunt...the President doing what he's Constitutionally mandated to do in Section 4, Article 4 of the U.S. Constitution...or Little Dick Durbin openly violating our laws on illegal immigrants by bringing one into the halls of Congress?
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You would advise the President to ignore an obvious case of law breaking in his presence? In the game of "the dozens" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dozens) that is politics, this would have the consequence of making Trump look like Durbin's B*tch.
The one thing the Alpha must do is beat back all challenges to his authority. Especially attempted humiliations.
I think it's entertaining that people that were all gung ho get cold feet and find excuses when the law is clear and Trump has to lead.
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I'm not worried about the snowflakes. I'm worried about the mushy middle. Elections are always decided by the mush 10% or so of people who don't pay a lot of attention to politics.
This would get their attention, and odds are they would see it negatively.
I think the primary message could be sent by arresting the illegal.
It would demonstrate once more that Trump means what he says.
Screw them too. The law is the law and Durbin is flunting it on the biggest stage there is. Make an example of him and screw the middle. Their attention span is 5 min anyway and in 4 years they will be chasing another shiny object.
I'd settle for just the illegal, but if you want to stop Dem bullshit, use the law when the opportunity is there to arrest one of them on an open and shut violation.
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I think it's entertaining that people that were all gung ho get cold feet and find excuses when the law is clear and Trump has to lead.
I think that being aware of the political ramifications of your actions is a very important task. I mention George HW Bush who raised taxes in a deal with the Democrats. At that point in time, nothing was more important than getting re-elected because we needed more judicial appointments. (Not that many of Bush's appointments were all that good, but still, better than Clinton's would be.)
Bush had a tin ear to the politics of his actions. I think Trump knows exactly how to play this.
I like the idea of arresting Durbin. He certainly deserves it, but what we gain would likely come at a terrible price. I think we are better off taking the deal that will maximize the political benefits of doing it.
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Screw them too. The law is the law and Durbin is flunting it on the biggest stage there is. Make an example of him and screw the middle. Their attention span is 5 min anyway and in 4 years they will be chasing another shiny object.
I'd settle for just the illegal, but if you want to stop Dem bullshit, use the law when the opportunity is there to arrest one of them on an open and shut violation.
I'll leave it to Trump. He's probably got a better grasp of this political stuff than I do anyways. I'll be happy if somebody gets arrested in this stunt. I'll be annoyed if he lets Durbin get away with it.
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I think that being aware of the political ramifications of your actions is a very important task. I mention George HW Bush who raised taxes in a deal with the Democrats. At that point in time, nothing was more important than getting re-elected because we needed more judicial appointments. (Not that many of Bush's appointments were all that good, but still, better than Clinton's would be.)
Bush had a tin ear to the politics of his actions. I think Trump knows exactly how to play this.
I like the idea of arresting Durbin. He certainly deserves it, but what we gain would likely come at a terrible price. I think we are better off taking the deal that will maximize the political benefits of doing it.
Analysis paralysis isn't going to change things and thats how I see a lot of what the right does. We are so scared of ramifications that we never make hard choices. We think we can somehow make everyone love us or at least not hate us intently if only we think about it a bit more and refrain from anything rash.
Thats not how the founders operated. Thats not how leaders operate. And simply following the law and applying it EQUALLY is never rash.
Again, no matter what, arresting either would cause hysterical screaming on both sides.Might as well diffuse it and set a precident by arresting both. The media then has to split their time bitching and people will call it old news in short order. If you arrest One now/one later, they can ramp up all over again at the second arrest.
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As long as someone gets arrested, i'll be okay with it.
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At the very least Trump needs to announce during his SOTU address that thanks to Senator Durbin highlighting an issue with illegal immigration...that of our schools letting illegals attend college at lower tuition rates than law abiding Americans...he's cutting off federal funds to that school effective immediately and until the school decides to comply with Federal law.
Let them survive off the schools endowment fund.
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I think Truth_seeker had a good perspective on the subject.
Arresting Durbin is the kind of red meat crap that would make the base happy, but wouldn't play with the public at large.
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I think Truth_seeker had a good perspective on the subject.
Arresting Durbin is the kind of red meat crap that would make the base happy, but wouldn't play with the public at large.
The law is red meat crap now? Maybe we need cooks and not cops on your planet.
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At the very least Trump needs to announce during his SOTU address that thanks to Senator Durbin highlighting an issue with illegal immigration...that of our schools letting illegals attend college at lower tuition rates than law abiding Americans...he's cutting off federal funds to that school effective immediately and until the school decides to comply with Federal law.
Let them survive off the schools endowment fund.
That should be a given.
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I think Truth_seeker had a good perspective on the subject.
Arresting Durbin is the kind of red meat crap that would make the base happy, but wouldn't play with the public at large.
It would be drive by the MSN. Normal people wouldn't care.
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At the very least Trump needs to announce during his SOTU address that thanks to Senator Durbin highlighting an issue with illegal immigration...that of our schools letting illegals attend college at lower tuition rates than law abiding Americans...he's cutting off federal funds to that school effective immediately and until the school decides to comply with Federal law.
Let them survive off the schools endowment fund.
It's an address to Congress. It's not a State of the Union Address.
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I am anxious to see if Trump says anything about this...he does have the guts to do it.
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Sounds like a job for the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate:
"The Sergeant at Arms of the Senate or originally known as the Doorkeeper of the Senate from the First Congress until the Eighth Congress (April 7, 1789 – March 3, 1803) is the highest ranking Federal Law Enforcement Officer in the Senate of the United States."
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Sounds like a job for the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate:
"The Sergeant at Arms of the Senate or originally known as the Doorkeeper of the Senate from the First Congress until the Eighth Congress (April 7, 1789 – March 3, 1803) is the highest ranking Federal Law Enforcement Officer in the Senate of the United States."
Put a ICE agent and a Secret Service guy with him at the door. Then let Durbin try to violate about 15 laws getting a potential foreign agent near the President of the United States. Film the event. Make commercials as needed explaining how the Democrats endangered the President for political points.
Remember 'Undocumented' means unvetted. They don't know if Durbin's student is an assassin or an ass doctor in training. Then use the media against the dems and itself.
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The current Sergeant at Arms... is a Navy Seal.
No need for backup.
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The current Sergeant at Arms... is a Navy Seal.
No need for backup.
No, for LEGAL backup, not physical. Make Dick explain on camera how he isn't violating numerous Immigration laws to ICE, then how he is not endangering the President and members of congress by bringing an unvetted illegal amongst them, to the Secret Service. Also on camera.
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It's an address to Congress. It's not a State of the Union Address.
Doesn't change one iota what's he should to to counteract Little Dick Durbin 's stunt
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Thanks Dick. Now ICE will know where to go to find this illegal....
(http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/handcuffs.png)
While they are there, maybe they can arrest the person who was aiding and abetting an illegal alien? Accomplice? Gotta be something he could be busted for.
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The law is red meat crap now? Maybe we need cooks and not cops on your planet.
It sure would be nice to only have to abide by the laws I find convenient. Maybe the police can just ignore arresting people where it isn't the popular thing to do, too. The ferals on the street would love that. Dress them in a suit and give them a title, though, and the ferals get a pass.
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The bigger question is how does an illegal anyone get granted access the house chambers with so many high level government people present? How does one check the background of someone who has obviously lied about their identity and broken the law to be there? Arrested or not they should not be granted access period.
And maybe Democrat voters should ask why these people are granted special privileges they don't enjoy as citizens. Why they come before citizens who haven't cheated and broken the law?
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And what will he do if Trump orders the Marshals to grab this guy and send him to ICE? Not a very smart thing to try with Trump, in my opinion.
When people try to rub Trump's nose in stuff, they often get their own nose rubbed in stuff.
If I were in Trump's position, would I sit there and take this obvious affront, or would I do what I am duty bound to do?
As anticipated, SHE is fairly attractive and female. The Dems are good at picking poster children, if nothing else.
Immediately, Trump would be classed a meanie and the law, well, "un-fai-ir", and the whining would be heard round the world.
They are doing this for the optics, after all, with side issues of an Arabic sounding name (muslim, but Pakistani origin) according to the article at Politico: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-speech-congress-2017-democrats-bring-undocumented-immigrants-235448 (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-speech-congress-2017-democrats-bring-undocumented-immigrants-235448) (Aaima Sayed) aimed at the immigration ban edict, and of course, the "wawah on wimmin".
She is one of four planned to be brought, another, Daniel Ramirez Medina, is suing to be allowed to stay under the DACA.
WaPo's blog is frothing at the orifice already.https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/02/27/happy-hour-roundup-1055/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/02/27/happy-hour-roundup-1055/)
So the optics are going to suck, either way. Either Trump lets them walk, the law is not upheld, and his supporters get mad (or make excuses), or the Dems will howl like the unruly children they are because the law is upheld.
Unfortunately, there are enough poorly educated folks out there (even Republicans) who will buy the whole 'there should be some exceptions' line, if not go for the whole DACA thing to be carved in stone (Yep the Dems are ready with the Legislation) in the emotionalized media turbulence that would follow any arrests. Follow them back and pick them up quietly afterwards.
But then, who is to say this isn't collusion between the GOPe (Who haven't been exactly falling all over themselves to secure the border, at least since "Operation Wetback") and the Congressional Dems. Both know all too well how to use the knife from behind, but the Dems have the brass to look you in the eye.
From http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/durbin-to-bring-undocumented-med-school-student-to-trump-speech/article/2615906 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/durbin-to-bring-undocumented-med-school-student-to-trump-speech/article/2615906)Earlier this year, Durbin reintroduced a bipartisan bill to ensure that dreamers remain protected from deportation during the Trump administration. The measure would cement Obama's executive order to provide temporary relief from deportation, as well as work authorization for young immigrants who were brought to the United States as children.
Not all the Rats are DemocRats on the Hill.
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Put a ICE agent and a Secret Service guy with him at the door. Then let Durbin try to violate about 15 laws getting a potential foreign agent near the President of the United States. Film the event. Make commercials as needed explaining how the Democrats endangered the President for political points.
Remember 'Undocumented' means unvetted. They don't know if Durbin's student is an assassin or an ass doctor in training. Then use the media against the dems and itself.
If ICE tries to arrest and Durbin steps in, badda bing! Interfering with an officer in the performance of his duties, etc. Ditto any media who get in the way. Calmly and professionally get the job done.
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I'm not sure how illegals become med students. There is so much paperwork and documentation involved in the application process that this had to have been a deliberate choice to accept an illegal to this medical school. I would love to know how they plan to get a residency and license let alone DEA # all of which require finger prints, background checks etc.... I'm sure all the legal US residents and citizens are thrilled to find out a very coveted spot in medical school went to an illegal.
I second that, and I would like to see all school officials who deliberately accept illegal aliens be arrested, frog-marched out of their offices, and get good stiff prison sentence.
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One of the last things Rush Limbaugh noted today was this matter.
He too, said that ICE agents should be placed at every entrance to the Chamber.