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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: mystery-ak on May 12, 2021, 05:11:16 pm
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Federal Government Warns Americans Not to Fill Plastic Bags with Gas During Fuel Shortage
Charlie Spiering 12 May 2021
The federal government warned Americans on Wednesday not to fill plastic bags with gasoline during the ongoing fuel shortage on the East Coast.
“Do not fill plastic bags with gasoline,” the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission wrote on social media on Wednesday morning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRjNdgAetQE
more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/12/federal-government-warns-americans-fill-plastic-bags-gas-during-fuel-shortage/
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That will thin out the gene pool if that keep up.
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Stupid really should hurt ... not fatally, but enough to get the message across.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRjNdgAetQE
COME ON!!!
At least use a zip lock. Double bagging Wal-mart shopping bags isn't going to help. And Tying the handles together before putting in your trunk is just give her enough time to get away from the pump before the fire.
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Somewhere in FL.... 22222frying pan
(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/185608713_10158581750668547_424986366556055467_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=CgUjnQbl9bwAX_Zb-YM&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=4398c37d8cab902e9ef6cc809b14973e&oe=60C189D8)
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Somewhere in FL.... 22222frying pan
(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/185608713_10158581750668547_424986366556055467_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=CgUjnQbl9bwAX_Zb-YM&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=4398c37d8cab902e9ef6cc809b14973e&oe=60C189D8)
That looks like a fast trip to Chicago... Are you sure that's gas? :silly:
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I think if people want to put a highly flammable solvent like gasoline in plastic bags, they should be able to do so. And they shouldn't be allowed to remove their Jo-Ho bumper stickers before they do it. The fire will remove the stickers later.
Think of it as evolution in action.
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(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/185608713_10158581750668547_424986366556055467_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=CgUjnQbl9bwAX_Zb-YM&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=4398c37d8cab902e9ef6cc809b14973e&oe=60C189D8)
One cliff short of a Hollywood movie car crash scene.
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One cliff short of a Hollywood movie car crash scene.
I bet they wore seatbelts.
Too bad they didn't get bumped in the rear on the way home.
I don't think their insurance would cover that claim.
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I don't think their insurance would cover that claim.
Actually it would be covered. As an ex Claims adjuster with a major company we had a saying for situations like this; "We insure stupidity."
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I bet they wore seatbelts.
And masks, no doubt...
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“Do not fill plastic bags with gasoline,” the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission wrote on social media on Wednesday morning.
What do they expect us to use? Paper?
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What do they expect us to use? Paper?
Nope. Styrofoam you big silly!
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Actually it would be covered. As an ex Claims adjuster with a major company we had a saying for situations like this; "We insure stupidity."
Generally only once per practitioner though...
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Nope. Styrofoam you big silly!
Low-budget Napalm
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWbRCQawB24)
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Generally only once per practitioner though...
Yep if they survived the fire, Underwriting would drop them faster than you can say..." Call Flo "
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Okay, real question now.
Any concerns about using caged IBC totes for short term gasoline storage. 30 days max.
(https://www.ibctanks.com/wp-content/uploads/275gallon-new-ibc-800x800.jpg)
Never mind the looks I will get at the gas station.
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Okay, real question now.
Any concerns about using caged IBC totes for short term gasoline storage. 30 days max.
I don't know. They SEEM to be the same sort of plastic that gas jugs are made of. Ventilation would be a worry.
And I think I would rather rely on steel 55s.
ours is up in a steel tank on stilts. I sure wouldn't worry about using the tote to transfer to that. But keeping it in the tote? Spooky.
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Actually it would be covered. As an ex Claims adjuster with a major company we had a saying for situations like this; "We insure stupidity."
Yeah, i thought of that after I posted. Why pay the inevitable flood of lawyers, right?
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I don't know. They SEEM to be the same sort of plastic that gas jugs are made of. Ventilation would be a worry.
And I think I would rather rely on steel 55s.
ours is up in a steel tank on stilts. I sure wouldn't worry about using the tote to transfer to that. But keeping it in the tote? Spooky.
My experience with plastic jugs to hold gasoline was that they were nylon. But I suspect that most common plastics aren't overly reactive to gasoline. But they are total crap for puncture and tear resistance....
...gotta wonder what they say when they get home and their bags are empty and the gasoline has leaked out of the trunk...
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The mask should keep them from getting high and/or passing out while driving a car filled with gasoline fumes, right?
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The mask should keep them from getting high and/or passing out while driving a car filled with gasoline fumes, right?
Gasoline fumes only affect animals with brains.
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That anyone would do this is mind numbing. George Carlin was right:
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/fd/6f/82/fd6f82b086672ec76d83cb1ea5e49419.jpg)
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My experience with plastic jugs to hold gasoline was that they were nylon. But I suspect that most common plastics aren't overly reactive to gasoline. But they are total crap for puncture and tear resistance....
Yeah - I dunno what they are made of... it's got that greasy feel of ABS and they cut (gas jugs v tote) about the same... But that's all I got - they 'feel' the same. In a pinch I would take the bet. As a transfer I would take the bet.
And another thing, I KNOW there are IBC totes rated for oil and gas. They exist. Whether that is the same material - just poured thicker for puncture resistance - or if it is different, I don't know.
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I KNOW there are IBC totes rated for oil and gas. They exist. Whether that is the same material - just poured thicker for puncture resistance - or if it is different, I don't know.
I was looking at a used chemical tote, but I will look for fuel rating.
It is kinda spooky, but only temp storage. I would fill half full for a possible hurricane and empty back out when passed. I would not keep storage more than a month I think.
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I was looking at a used chemical tote, but I will look for fuel rating.
It is kinda spooky, but only temp storage. I would fill half full for a possible hurricane and empty back out when passed. I would not keep storage more than a month I think.
I get it. I think I would prefer 55 gal drums. I know those work. But then, I am a duffer, and never got around to trusting plastics generally. :shrug:
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Okay, real question now.
Any concerns about using caged IBC totes for short term gasoline storage. 30 days max.
(https://www.ibctanks.com/wp-content/uploads/275gallon-new-ibc-800x800.jpg)
Never mind the looks I will get at the gas station.
SAw it today
(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/185183319_10165238401555125_926990508290077727_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=kptaunetkBcAX-cy0Ac&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=4db928edae6a10926cf136432915cac6&oe=60C050A6)
And the threre was this rocket scientist...
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It seems Lowes and Home Despot are out of those stupid new Gas jugs
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If I were even middle-aged and owned a single family dwelling on a couple of acres, I would immediately purchase and construct an underground tank commonly used at the corner gas station. How many thousand gallons do they hold??
Cause fool me once, shame on you. Not gonna fool me twice. :laugh:
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Yeah - I dunno what they are made of... it's got that greasy feel of ABS and they cut (gas jugs v tote) about the same... But that's all I got - they 'feel' the same. In a pinch I would take the bet. As a transfer I would take the bet.
And another thing, I KNOW there are IBC totes rated for oil and gas. They exist. Whether that is the same material - just poured thicker for puncture resistance - or if it is different, I don't know.
Most plastic drums are made from high-density polyethylene (HDPE). Containers such as gas cans are often made from HDPE, so it’s easy to get the impression that it’s a good material to store gasoline in. However, when stored for prolonged periods in HDPE, the gasoline will begin to permeate and break down the plastic. This can cause dangerous leaks and ruin your fuel.
https://www.airseacontainers.com/blog/can-you-store-fuel-in-a-plastic-drum/#:~:text=Containers%20such%20as%20gas%20cans,leaks%20and%20ruin%20your%20fuel.
Not sure what they mean by prolonged periods. But it sure looks like normal plastic cans are made from HDPE.
https://www.absorbentsonline.com/plastic-fuel-containers.htm
Totes are also made with it. The internal 275 gallon IBC liner has been blow-mold manufactured from virgin high-density polyethylene (HDPE).
https://www.ibctanks.com/275gallon-reconditioned
I'm think a probably maybe here. Nice to have ~100 gallon in a single container set up to use the forks on the tractor loader.
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Not sure what they mean by prolonged periods. But it sure looks like normal plastic cans are made from HDPE.
I would add poly water tanks used for transportation too. They all seem to be the same stuff.
I'm think a probably maybe here. Nice to have ~100 gallon in a single container set up to use the forks on the tractor loader.
Yep. I see it... Though 4 55s fit on a pallet too - and transfer pumps and whatnot are made for em. In fact, if all you are looking for is 100 gallons, there are plenty of transfer tanks made for gas and diesel that fit across the front of a pickup bed... Whether the 'L' shaped ones built around a toolbox, or without the toolbox. Them will be 4 ft across to fit between the wheel wells, will be made for standard transfer pumps, and the whole 9 yards. I got one in the back of the truck right now. Put that on a wheeled pallet and you're golden.
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If I were even middle-aged and owned a single family dwelling on a couple of acres, I would immediately purchase and construct an underground tank commonly used at the corner gas station. How many thousand gallons do they hold??
Cause fool me once, shame on you. Not gonna fool me twice. :laugh:
Didn't John Denver get Slammed for this during the 73 embargo?
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Didn't John Denver get Slammed for this during the 73 embargo?
Nah, that happened when he augured in his plane.
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If I were even middle-aged and owned a single family dwelling on a couple of acres, I would immediately purchase and construct an underground tank commonly used at the corner gas station. How many thousand gallons do they hold??
Cause fool me once, shame on you. Not gonna fool me twice. :laugh:
Ours is up on stilts, but yeah. Most country folks keep it around. Diesel more than gas anymore - The additives in gas make it tough to store for long. I know we generally don't fill ours all the way - maybe half at a time, because even premium doesn't last more than a few months unless it is agitated.
We are kinda heading toward all diesel for that reason.
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The images above remind me of those who poke holes in gasoline pipelines in Nigeria and then try to catch the runoff.
Natural selection at work right before our eyes.
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Properties of Gasoline Stored in Various Containers
https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/10/9/1307 (https://www.mdpi.com/1996-1073/10/9/1307)
3.1. Variation of Fuel Quality Depending on Storage Containers’ Type
With regard to the fuel properties of the gasoline for automobiles depending on the storage containers in the storage period, Figure 1 shows the variation of the research octane number (RON), which is the most important indicator affecting the automobile’s performance. The octane number is closely related to the molecular structures of various hydrocarbons in gasoline for automobiles: the octane number is dependent on the length and the degree of branching of carbon chains in hydrocarbons.
(https://www.mdpi.com/energies/energies-10-01307/article_deploy/html/images/energies-10-01307-g001-550.jpg)
As shown in Figure 1, the RON for the gasoline in automobiles depending on the storage period only satisfied the specification of quality standards, as shown in Table 2, in the CAN and the PET storage containers. CAN and PET containers have better sealing systems than other containers. The octane number was decreased from the initial value by 4.0 to 18.5 for the gasoline in the PE storage containers stored indoors and outdoors, respectively. In particular, the octane number was decreased by a maximum of 18.5 in gasoline stored outdoors in the PE storage container. While the octane number was decreased by 0.2 to 0.6 in the steel CAN and the PET storage containers, respectively, the research octane number still satisfied the specification of quality standards as shown in Table 2.
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Nah, that happened when he augured in his plane.
@corbe
@Wingnut
I think you are both right.
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Okay, real question now.
Any concerns about using caged IBC totes for short term gasoline storage. 30 days max.
(https://www.ibctanks.com/wp-content/uploads/275gallon-new-ibc-800x800.jpg)
Never mind the looks I will get at the gas station.
Since most gas tanks now are made of the same stuff that tote is (HDPE), I would have no concern at all other than about the elastomers in that plastic ball valve at the bottom of the tote. @thackney
Especially if you added a bottle of this first https://www.amazon.com/Star-Tron-Enzyme-Fuel-Treatment/dp/B00D3IEIFO/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=3J09O8MYV2KUZ&dchild=1&keywords=gas+stabilizer&qid=1620856952&sprefix=Gas+stab%2Caps%2C220&sr=8-2-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyVE80RTRXTEdCR0Q3JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjM1MTAzMks1Ulk3MEFDSE84SSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwODcyNjkyM0M0SUNWSkdKTzM5QiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
Best stuff I've ever found.
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Nah, that happened when he augured in his plane.
I heard he made a big splash with it.
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Ours is up on stilts, but yeah. Most country folks keep it around. Diesel more than gas anymore - The additives in gas make it tough to store for long. I know we generally don't fill ours all the way - maybe half at a time, because even premium doesn't last more than a few months unless it is agitated.
We are kinda heading toward all diesel for that reason.
@roamer_1
?? I had no idea that 'sealed' stagnant gasoline degrades by external forces.
BTW...even though I've owned BMW M5 and M3 sports cars as well as Stingray corvettes back in the 60's, the most dependable vehicle I've ever owned was a 2012 VW Jetta Sport Wagen (sic) Turbo Diesel.
Put 225K miles on it with only oil and tire changes and a pair of brake shoes.
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Okay, real question now.
Any concerns about using caged IBC totes for short term gasoline storage. 30 days max.
Never mind the looks I will get at the gas station.
Keep it out of the sun. From the table I posted from that gasoline storage study, it looks like 93 Octane gas could be down to 84 octane after 30 days in the sun stored in PE. If you filled it with Regular, it would even be lower.
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?? I had no idea that 'sealed' stagnant gasoline degrades by external forces.
@DCPatriot
Yeah... It will not last long. Premium non-ethanol better than most - we use Conoco/Sinclair Premium here. It won't make the winter, for sure. You can use Stabil, or some other stabilizer, which does help. And if you were talking about 5 gallons, you could probably still burn it after 4 to 6 months... but 300 gallons... You get this gank on the bottom of the tank... When you first see that, you can cycle the pump back up into the tank to agitate it, and you'll get along a bit further, but you better start burning it up and get some fresh in there soon.
BTW...even though I've owned BMW M5 and M3 sports cars as well as Stingray corvettes back in the 60's, the most dependable vehicle I've ever owned was a 2012 VW Jetta Sport Wagen (sic) Turbo Diesel.
Put 225K miles on it with only oil and tire changes and a pair of brake shoes.
Diesel and kerosene are the only fuels left that keep - and I think only red diesel keeps well anymore. I think they are messing with the diesel for automotive purposes. What we have on hand is the non-taxed red diesel that you are not supposed to use in automotive.
I think that is on purpose, btw - I think they don't want folks to be able to store fuel.
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@DCPatriot
Yeah... It will not last long. Premium non-ethanol better than most - we use Conoco/Sinclair Premium here. It won't make the winter, for sure. You can use Stabil, or some other stabilizer, which does help. And if you were talking about 5 gallons, you could probably still burn it after 4 to 6 months... but 300 gallons... You get this gank on the bottom of the tank... When you first see that, you can cycle the pump back up into the tank to agitate it, and you'll get along a bit further, but you better start burning it up and get some fresh in there soon.
Diesel and kerosene are the only fuels left that keep - and I think only red diesel keeps well anymore. I think they are messing with the diesel for automotive purposes. What we have on hand is the non-taxed red diesel that you are not supposed to use in automotive.
I think that is on purpose, btw - I think they don't want folks to be able to store fuel.
I'm under the impression that the "non-taxed" part of that is the key and not the blend. They want to tax the same thing differently based on how it is used. Specifically they want to make it difficult to put untaxed fuel in your car or truck.
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I'm under the impression that the "non-taxed" part of that is the key and not the blend. They want to tax the same thing differently based on how it is used. Specifically they want to make it difficult to put untaxed fuel in your car or truck.
Right - I know the emphasis is about tax - but I think they are messing with non-ag diesel.
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Gasoline by nature is much more volatile than diesel and that alone makes it harder to store for any length of time.
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Gasoline by nature is much more volatile than diesel and that alone makes it harder to store for any length of time.
Well, current gas stations in Germantown, Maryland need not be concerned...ONE HOUR long lines already, everywhere. **nononono*
...changed my mind about going to the NATS game vs. PHILLIES tonight. Why spend the gas, with
a heavy route for work due tomorrow?
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Well, current gas stations in Germantown, Maryland need not be concerned...ONE HOUR long lines already, everywhere. **nononono*
...changed my mind about going to the NATS game vs. PHILLIES tonight. Why spend the gas, with
a heavy route for work due tomorrow?
Our local stations here on the other side of the river have been out of gas since last evening @DCPatriot
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Incredible, the conversation. I guess pipelines are valuable after all. I suggest the operators use the software that protects our voting machines. They are impenetrable.
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Our local stations here on the other side of the river have been out of gas since last evening @DCPatriot
@Right_in_Virginia
Here we go,...right?
Heard Colonial Pipeline will be back up within a week's time. That means that SOMEBODY paid the ransom.
My guess is the Administration paid it out of the latest 'Infrastructure' heist. Because the last thing they need right now is to interrupt their racial dividing.
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Incredible, the conversation. I guess pipelines are valuable after all. I suggest the operators use the software that protects our voting machines. They are impenetrable.
@Lando Lincoln
LOL! Indeed!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF35nXHAxco&ab_channel=Tor-AndreasFitje
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DC wrote:
"Heard Colonial Pipeline will be back up within a week's time. That means that SOMEBODY paid the ransom."
If Colonial had been running their operation on Macs, this would never have happened.
There's been only one instance of Mac "ransomware" that I know of, and it was hidden in a piece of non-commercial software and was discovered and "rectified" quickly...
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DC wrote:
"Heard Colonial Pipeline will be back up within a week's time. That means that SOMEBODY paid the ransom."
If Colonial had been running their operation on Macs, this would never have happened.
There's been only one instance of Mac "ransomware" that I know of, and it was hidden in a piece of non-commercial software and was discovered and "rectified" quickly...
Just discussing elsewhere...
Why wouldn't a major company with National Security implications not have duplicate back up servers that can merely copy all data from The Cloud going back to BEFORE the damned hack?
Consider myself lucky when I can figure out how to connect my sound system or cable. Don't know anything about computers. DON'T WANT TO!!
:laugh:
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Heard Colonial Pipeline will be back up within a week's time. That means that SOMEBODY paid the ransom.
@DCPatriot
Well no...
I dunno nothing about critical data in that field - But most control machinery doesn't change much and is very probably imaged. I know if it were me I would have those systems imaged... So literally, 20 minutes to bring a box back up to operational. That'd be the lion's share of it.
If they had to pay, their IT department needs to die.
You could completely trash my system and I would have all 9 (or so) machines back up and running pretty much in a half day. At least back to operational.
My big data is backed up off-site and here, air-gapped. My intermediate data is backed up off site and here, air-gapped. That brings me through the 1st QTR 2021... All of that cannot be harmed.
All I really need to worry about is volatile critical data... which is backed to the web daily, is on two laptops, and two desktops - Not all of which are likely to be on at the same time, and it is backed manually to an otherwise air-gapped USB drive from either my laptop or my desktop every night before I shut down.
The place could literally burn to the ground, and other than hardware, I wouldn't lose a single dang thing. Heck, now that our server is down in Costa Rica, the friggin US could burn down and I would still be fine. And I am a one-horse, small potatoes guy.
Corporate IT should be well advanced of me.
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Well no...
I dunno nothing about critical data in that field - But most control machinery doesn't change much and is very probably imaged. I know if it were me I would have those systems imaged... So literally, 20 minutes to bring a box back up to operational. That'd be the lion's share of it.
If they had to pay, their IT department needs to die.
You could completely trash my system and I would have all 9 (or so) machines back up and running pretty much in a half day. At least back to operational.
My big data is backed up off-site and here, air-gapped. My intermediate data is backed up off site and here, air-gapped. That brings me through the 1st QTR 2021... All of that cannot be harmed.
All I really need to worry about is volatile critical data... which is backed to the web daily, is on two laptops, and two desktops - Not all of which are likely to be on at the same time, and it is backed manually to an otherwise air-gapped USB drive from either my laptop or my desktop every night before I shut down.
The place could literally burn to the ground, and other than hardware, I wouldn't lose a single dang thing. Heck, now that our server is down in Costa Rica, the friggin US could burn down and I would still be fine. And I am a one-horse, small potatoes guy.
Corporate IT should be well advanced of me.
@roamer_1
God luv ya! Thanks for explaining that to us!
I could have so much fun taking this thread on an amusement park ride. Active imagination.
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We're talking "Treadstone" crap. Off The Books shit. Three Days of the Condor.
There were no 'Russian' hackers. They're contractors for our own CIA and FBI and NSA
Built and maintained by Barack Hussein Obama & friends. And they might already be dead.
The ransom was paid and somebody walks away with the $$$.
More importantly, on the heels of a year plus of face mask mandates and virtually no fraternizing, experiencing hours long gas lines is going to eventually make some white person somewhere go Michael Douglas' "Falling Down" on somebody.
...which adds fuel to any assertion that white people need to be 'watched'
See?
:2popcorn: :2popcorn:
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@roamer_1
God luv ya! Thanks for explaining that to us!
I could have so much fun taking this thread on an amusement park ride. Active imagination.
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We're talking "Treadstone" crap. Off The Books shit. Three Days of the Condor.
There were no 'Russian' hackers. They're contractors for our own CIA and FBI and NSA
Built and maintained by Barack Hussein Obama & friends. And they might already be dead.
The ransom was paid and somebody walks away with the $$$.
More importantly, on the heels of a year plus of face mask mandates and virtually no fraternizing, experiencing hours long gas lines is going to eventually make some white person somewhere go Michael Douglas' "Falling Down" on somebody.
...which adds fuel to any assertion that white people need to be 'watched'
See?
:2popcorn: :2popcorn:
@DCPatriot
Woah... D00d. :pondering: :laugh: :beer:
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@DCPatriot
Well no...
I dunno nothing about critical data in that field - But most control machinery doesn't change much and is very probably imaged. I know if it were me I would have those systems imaged... So literally, 20 minutes to bring a box back up to operational. That'd be the lion's share of it.
If they had to pay, their IT department needs to die.
You could completely trash my system and I would have all 9 (or so) machines back up and running pretty much in a half day. At least back to operational.
My big data is backed up off-site and here, air-gapped. My intermediate data is backed up off site and here, air-gapped. That brings me through the 1st QTR 2021... All of that cannot be harmed.
All I really need to worry about is volatile critical data... which is backed to the web daily, is on two laptops, and two desktops - Not all of which are likely to be on at the same time, and it is backed manually to an otherwise air-gapped USB drive from either my laptop or my desktop every night before I shut down.
The place could literally burn to the ground, and other than hardware, I wouldn't lose a single dang thing. Heck, now that our server is down in Costa Rica, the friggin US could burn down and I would still be fine. And I am a one-horse, small potatoes guy.
Corporate IT should be well advanced of me.
I don't know the details of this particular incident but it could be once there's a major disruption over such a long distance of pipeline that it takes quite awhile to get it back up again in a long chain of steps that have to be completed. So it is possible that the actual computer outage didn't last very long (I don't know) but the process of getting the pipeline back up again was long and tedious.
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I don't know the details of this particular incident but it could be once there's a major disruption over such a long distance of pipeline that it takes quite awhile to get it back up again in a long chain of steps that have to be completed. So it is possible that the actual computer outage didn't last very long (I don't know) but the process of getting the pipeline back up again was long and tedious.
They're saying the pipe ain't the thing anymore... It's the panic buying. I dunno neither. :shrug:
But how the heck anyone gets caught by ransomware is entirely beyond me.
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They're saying the pipe ain't the thing anymore... It's the panic buying. I dunno neither. :shrug:
But how the heck anyone gets caught by ransomware is entirely beyond me.
Our company uses Dropbox Teams where a number of computers, primarily for engineering, share files. I have to believe that if one of those computers got snagged by ransomware it would quickly spread to all the others but I believe it should be limited to just the Dropbox folders. And the computers are regularly backed up and the whole thing reversed pretty easily even if pretty annoying.
It would seem to take some pretty serious IT incompetence to get a significant part of your company's data encrypted by ransomware and not be able to recover it quickly.
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Our company uses Dropbox Teams where a number of computers, primarily for engineering, share files. I have to believe that if one of those computers got snagged by ransomware it would quickly spread to all the others but I believe it should be limited to just the Dropbox folders. And the computers are regularly backed up and the whole thing reversed pretty easily even if pretty annoying.
It would seem to take some pretty serious IT incompetence to get a significant part of your company's data encrypted by ransomware and not be able to recover it quickly.
And many of the variants have a cure too. I would knee-jerk have to hack it, but I would never need to worry for it, as with my setup it would be better to just reload from image and blow the data back on. Yeah, it would suck, but not very much.
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@roamer_1
@Elderberry
@Bigun
Thank you for the info.
Roamer, are you concerned with punctures with this style of tank?
Like all my purchase concerns, cost reigns over all but safety. It is only temp storage. I know gasoline degrades rather quickly with oxygen present and I won't be filling a tote full because of weight limits. I would get 100~120 gallons with approaching hurricane, then feed it to our trucks if we didn't need the generator. This will not be for long term storage.
It will be out of the sunlight in the same 3 sided shed the generator sits (26 ft wall open, only 12 ft deep) so good air flow for venting. I think I will add a filter/drain cup to the line with a 20 ft hose and dispensing nozzle.
The liner and the 2" ball valve are rated for use with petrochemicals. Sunlight UV inhibiting compounds are included in the plastic tote.
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Roamer, are you concerned with punctures with this style of tank?
Like all my purchase concerns, cost reigns over all but safety. It is only temp storage. I know gasoline degrades rather quickly with oxygen present and I won't be filling a tote full because of weight limits. I would get 100~120 gallons with approaching hurricane, then feed it to our trucks if we didn't need the generator. This will not be for long term storage.
It will be out of the sunlight in the same 3 sided shed the generator sits (26 ft wall open, only 12 ft deep) so good air flow for venting. I think I will add a filter/drain cup to the line with a 20 ft hose and dispensing nozzle.
The liner and the 2" ball valve are rated for use with petrochemicals. Sunlight UV inhibiting compounds are included in the plastic tote.
@thackney
No, that was just a passing thought on what might be different between a standard and fuel rated tank, since poly seems to be poly... I thought fuel rated might be higher density or thickness. :shrug:
To be frank, I don't see the percentage in this course.
The large size without being able to use the capacity, the huge air space in the tank... having to rig a means to pump out...
Seems a standard fuel transfer tank would be the peach. More compact, steel construction improves fuel longevity, Standardized pump systems... And the ability to be used otherwise (as an actual transfer tank in a pickup).
I bought mine used for a couple hundred bucks, though mine is only worth 70 gals. Rebuild costs were nominal, except for the electric pump and filters. I would imagine they are around by you used too...
So why not the tool for the job?
No offense meant, jussayin.
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@thackney
No, that was just a passing thought on what might be different between a standard and fuel rated tank, since poly seems to be poly... I thought fuel rated might be higher density or thickness. :shrug:
To be frank, I don't see the percentage in this course.
The large size without being able to use the capacity, the huge air space in the tank... having to rig a means to pump out...
I already own the fork lift to move it. And I will set it on a raised stand for gravity flow.
Seems a standard fuel transfer tank would be the peach. More compact, steel construction improves fuel longevity, Standardized pump systems... And the ability to be used otherwise (as an actual transfer tank in a pickup).
Maybe triple the cost?
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/catalog/fuel-transfer-tanks
I bought mine used for a couple hundred bucks, though mine is only worth 70 gals. Rebuild costs were nominal, except for the electric pump and filters. I would imagine they are around by you used too...
So why not the tool for the job?
No offense meant, jussayin.
Absolutely no offense. I posted here to learn reasons not to do this. I value the feedback greatly.
I don't like depending on the electric fuel pump for an emergency situation, which is the only purpose for the whole set up.
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edit: For whatever it may be worth, I found a site that specializes in these totes selling them as on option for oil and gas use.
https://www.ibctanks.com/oil-gas?orderby=price&paged=1
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Maybe triple the cost?
Ah, well there is that... I would not be shopping for new myself. :shrug:
I don't like depending on the electric fuel pump for an emergency situation, which is the only purpose for the whole set up.
I am fighting with that myself generally. Switching out my go-bag for more electronic stuff - A commitment to solar and power bricks, and re-gearing for overlanding opens a brave new world.
Still rubs me wrong. I am a minimalist in the woods, and always have been. But, at least for now, I ain't getting too far from the truck, so I might as well expand into the possibilities the truck and all it's extra cartage offers.
And since my transfer tank is in the truck, the convenience of an electric pump is a no-brainer. I use it all the time and it is a pleasure to throw the nozzle in a tractor or something and just walk away - automatic shutoff is the whole deal there. Hands-off.
Of course, that does not mean I won't keep a manual pump handle around, just for giggles.
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@roamer_1
Again thanks for the discussion, it helps me think through the contingencies and what planning and allowances need to be made.
I would have to have a manual pump as back up if I did that. No way I am going to have this big butt generator, 100 gallons of fuel and have my pump die while I have no power.
And this would tie my truck to getting to the generator several times a day to refuel. This is the back side of the garage and lower than the house floor. I could be lightly flooded and still want the generator to run.
The generator will be raised 18 inches for this reason, the fuel system raised to be above that, maybe 3~4 feet would gravity flow into the fuel tank.
Whether truck or tote, I need to beef up the gravel access for possible underwater stability. I would hate to have a six inch flood make it too soupy to get gas to the generator. Tractors better than truck for this but moving a half ton tote will need better base than I have now in that shed.
Thanks again, still leaning towards the tote but I am going to look a bit for used fuel transfer tanks.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Here we go,...right?
Heard Colonial Pipeline will be back up within a week's time. That means that SOMEBODY paid the ransom.
My guess is the Administration paid it out of the latest 'Infrastructure' heist. Because the last thing they need right now is to interrupt their racial dividing.
Link to article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/colonial-pipeline-paid-hackers-nearly-5-million-in-ransom
https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1392847175693049865
@DCPatriot
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@roamer_1
Again thanks for the discussion, it helps me think through the contingencies and what planning and allowances need to be made.
I would have to have a manual pump as back up if I did that. No way I am going to have this big butt generator, 100 gallons of fuel and have my pump die while I have no power.
And this would tie my truck to getting to the generator several times a day to refuel. This is the back side of the garage and lower than the house floor. I could be lightly flooded and still want the generator to run.
The generator will be raised 18 inches for this reason, the fuel system raised to be above that, maybe 3~4 feet would gravity flow into the fuel tank.
Whether truck or tote, I need to beef up the gravel access for possible underwater stability. I would hate to have a six inch flood make it too soupy to get gas to the generator. Tractors better than truck for this but moving a half ton tote will need better base than I have now in that shed.
Thanks again, still leaning towards the tote but I am going to look a bit for used fuel transfer tanks.
Ahh, I see now - A dedicated fuel source for the jenny is a much different scenario than mere storage.
Here, I'll throw another monkey wrench into your thinking...
Have you thought of converting the jenny to propane?
It stores indefinitely, is much easier to manage as a stored unit, is feasibly always ready - even to the point of power fail-over, and with a big enough fuel cell, could also be emergency heat and cooking, etc., self-contained, and fairly invulnerable.
In our recent power failure, I decided to commit in that direction.
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Ahh, I see now - A dedicated fuel source for the jenny is a much different scenario than mere storage.
Here, I'll throw another monkey wrench into your thinking...
Have you thought of converting the jenny to propane?
It stores indefinitely, is much easier to manage as a stored unit, is feasibly always ready - even to the point of power fail-over, and with a big enough fuel cell, could also be emergency heat and cooking, etc., self-contained, and fairly invulnerable.
In our recent power failure, I decided to commit in that direction.
Yes dual fuel using propane was my original plan and still a long term planned add-on. I have a 250 gallon propane tank that is only used for the kitchen stove (so far). I found a reconditioned generator as big as I wanted with warranty and price break that convinced me to buy gasoline only for now. Propane is good but in our hurricane prone areas getting the refill during the emergency has a lot less options than gasoline, in spite of gasoline possible supply issues.
The propane lines are on the wrong side of the house. I need about 100 ft of line, mostly buried deep enough not to hit, and move the existing regulator, buy a second regulator to keep the lines at decent pressure while running.
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Yes dual fuel using propane was my original plan and still a long term planned add-on. I have a 250 gallon propane tank that is only used for the kitchen stove (so far). I found a reconditioned generator as big as I wanted with warranty and price break that convinced me to buy gasoline only for now. Propane is good but in our hurricane prone areas getting the refill during the emergency has a lot less options than gasoline, in spite of gasoline possible supply issues.
The propane lines are on the wrong side of the house. I need about 100 ft of line, mostly buried deep enough not to hit, and move the existing regulator, buy a second regulator to keep the lines at decent pressure while running.
That's right. Might be easier to relocate the tank to the jenny side, and pipe the stove through the house. Might even set you up for a couple propane wall units in case that nasty white stuff comes back. I am doing that too, even with NG and wood... Two is one, one is none. happy77
The indefinite part is the key - Buy a hundred gallons here and there during the good times, and next thing you know, you got some.
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@roamer_1
God luv ya! Thanks for explaining that to us!
I could have so much fun taking this thread on an amusement park ride. Active imagination.
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We're talking "Treadstone" crap. Off The Books shit. Three Days of the Condor.
There were no 'Russian' hackers. They're contractors for our own CIA and FBI and NSA
Built and maintained by Barack Hussein Obama & friends. And they might already be dead.
The ransom was paid and somebody walks away with the $$$.
More importantly, on the heels of a year plus of face mask mandates and virtually no fraternizing, experiencing hours long gas lines is going to eventually make some white person somewhere go Michael Douglas' "Falling Down" on somebody.
...which adds fuel to any assertion that white people need to be 'watched'
See?
:2popcorn: :2popcorn:
Oh, I don't know about the "white people" thing.
I was at the local Arco on a really busy day some time back, and because it was busy and the way the lot was set up, I left a gap between my Tahoe and the guy at the pump. Some fat negress in a Buick jalopy pulled in, scanned the lot and I could see she was going to cut me off, I closed the gap.
Boy, did I get a lesson in Ebonics from the Welfare Reparations Class. She was pissed. It appears my honkey ass took HER spot. I told her to learn some English then get back to me. She got even madder. It was so funny. These days that ho' would have a gun.
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Link to article: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/colonial-pipeline-paid-hackers-nearly-5-million-in-ransom
https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1392847175693049865
@DCPatriot
I sure hope they followed the money. There needs to be hell to pay.
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I sure hope they followed the money. There needs to be hell to pay.
Was thinking that too!
In this day and age, how did the hacker group get those monies transferred to an account, then withdraw the $$$ leaving no trail?
Unless you're the CIA/NSA :pondering:
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I sure hope they followed the money. There needs to be hell to pay.
Nothing of the sort will happen.
The Just Us Department does not act against well-connected Democrats or the people who pay them.
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I sure hope they followed the money. There needs to be hell to pay.
Agreed. But if true, doesn’t $5 million seem low for the magnitude of the event? None of this feels right.
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Was thinking that too!
In this day and age, how did the hacker group get those monies transferred to an account, then withdraw the $$$ leaving no trail?
Unless you're the CIA/NSA :pondering:
Bitcoin normally.
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Bitcoin normally.
Ahhh! Got it.