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Title: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Elderberry on May 08, 2021, 10:21:36 pm
American Military News by Ryan Morgan   May 08, 2021

Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions

On Friday night, the largest U.S. gas pipeline announced it had halted its operations after it discovered it was targeted in a cyber attack. The pipeline provides about 45 percent of the fuel supply along the east coast and southern United States.

In a company statement Friday night, Colonial Pipeline said, “On May 7, the Colonial Pipeline Company learned it was the victim of a cybersecurity attack. In response, we proactively took certain systems offline to contain the threat, which has temporarily halted all pipeline operations, and affected some of our IT systems.”

According to Bloomberg, Colonial Pipeline operates the largest gasoline and diesel pipeline system in the U.S.

CNBC reported the company transports 2.5 million barrels of gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and other refined products every day, accounting for about 45 percent of the east coast’s fuel supply. That fuel passes through 5,500 miles of pipelines. The pipeline network moves fuel from U.S. gulf coast refineries to populous areas along the eastern and southern United States.

More: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/05/cyber-attack-shuts-down-largest-us-gasoline-pipeline-45-of-east-coast-and-southern-regions/ (https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/05/cyber-attack-shuts-down-largest-us-gasoline-pipeline-45-of-east-coast-and-southern-regions/)
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: libertybele on May 08, 2021, 10:52:05 pm
I just posted an article stating that gas is going to be one of the 5 things that will become difficult to get.

I question whether or not then, that this was by design.  Nope, I don't trust our government. Interesting that the article came out around the same time as this one.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 09, 2021, 06:22:57 am
The Chinese and the Rodents want the US de-industrialized.   There is no questioning that.

Naturally, effective sources of energy must be disabled, as must be effective means of energy distribution.   Hence the Rodent's permanent war on fossil fuels and vehicles using the same.    Electric cars are so much easier to control.   The Rodents seek to control individual movement.   Hence their constant harping on stupid fast trains and this new fascism of vaccine passports.

Another target is of course the vast unofficial army in the flyover country, hence the Rodents' permanent war on the Second Amendment.  No question what the Rodents seek there.  They seek sheep.

Thirdly, the Rodents seek to rule the minds of their sheep, hence their destruction of the schools.

The Rodents want to turn the US into what China is, without the wet markets.   
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 09, 2021, 06:34:01 am
This is bound to happen. And the main fault  is in the automation - I get it. I use back doors, and can govern my own stuff from anywhere. I understand the convenience and efficiency.

But critical systems NEED to have an air-gapped, even manual control. When the automated control systems get taken over, there ALWAYS need to be a way to get in the truck drive over there, and do it the old way. The whole thing needs to run entirely without computerization. Then it is convenient and still bulletproof.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 09, 2021, 05:57:01 pm
This is bound to happen. And the main fault  is in the automation - I get it. I use back doors, and can govern my own stuff from anywhere. I understand the convenience and efficiency.

But critical systems NEED to have an air-gapped, even manual control. When the automated control systems get taken over, there ALWAYS need to be a way to get in the truck drive over there, and do it the old way. The whole thing needs to run entirely without computerization. Then it is convenient and still bulletproof.

Yes sir, I understand the idea.  But there will be some level of local computerization.  Pumps this large use programable control relays to lower the risk to personal and equipment.  Having the ability to bypass these are considered too risky for massive faults.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 09, 2021, 06:03:35 pm
Yes sir, I understand the idea.  But there will be some level of local computerization.  Pumps this large use programable control relays to lower the risk to personal and equipment.  Having the ability to bypass these are considered too risky for massive faults.

Then an air-gapped critical subsystem capable of overriding outward facing systems will have to do.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 09, 2021, 06:09:27 pm
Then an air-gapped critical subsystem capable of overriding outward facing systems will have to do.

That should always be possible.  It has been almost 20 years since I last worked on a station of this pipeline.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Hoodat on May 09, 2021, 07:08:25 pm
That @Cyber Liberty gets around.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 09, 2021, 07:10:55 pm
That @Cyber Liberty gets around.

@Hoodat

It's taken some years, but I am a force to be reckoned with.   :patriot:
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Hoodat on May 09, 2021, 07:12:31 pm
But critical systems NEED to have an air-gapped, even manual control.

Preach it, brother.  Preach it.  As an automation guy, it galls me to no end when a customer connects a control system to their own business network.  An OPC server is the only thing anyone on the outside needs to see.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 10, 2021, 03:40:50 am
Preach it, brother.  Preach it.  As an automation guy, it galls me to no end when a customer connects a control system to their own business network.  An OPC server is the only thing anyone on the outside needs to see.

If everyone knew how easy it was to get system level permissions on a windows box they would quail in fear. Locks and passwords do no more than keep honest people honest.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: sneakypete on May 10, 2021, 04:04:54 am
@Hoodat

It's taken some years, but I am a force to be reckoned with.   :patriot:

@Cyber Liberty


I understand that monitoring your diet and avoiding food like beans,collard greens,etc,etc,etc can be a big help with that sort of problem.

Just sayin..........
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 10, 2021, 11:31:24 am
US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57050690

The Colonial Pipeline carries 2.5 million barrels a day - 45% of the East Coast's supply of diesel, gasoline and jet fuel.

It was completely knocked offline by a cyber-criminal gang on Friday and work to restore service is continuing.

The emergency status relaxes rules on fuel being transported by road.

It means drivers in 18 states can work extra or more flexible hours when transporting refined petroleum products....
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on May 10, 2021, 02:07:28 pm
Biden is anti-pipeline after killing Keystone XL.

This is just another pipeline shutdown that must be pleasing to him.

However, it might be a wake-up call for people to realize what he is doing.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: The_Reader_David on May 10, 2021, 02:30:39 pm
One of the interesting things about this story is that the American media (not just "mainstream", but Breitbart as well) didn't notice until this morning and aren't covering it as a top story.  This was on BBC on Saturday when the breach occurred.  It is the Beeb's top story on their website now.  By contrast, while the NYTimes now has it on the first page of their website, but it is "below the fold"-- you have to scroll down to see it-- and as a very small headline.  Likewise CNN (though their type-face for the headline, which doesn't tell it was a cyber-attack, just a pipeline shutdown, makes it more noticeable).  And, zero mention on the LA Times website's front page.

I'm afraid if you actually want American news these days, you really have to read the foreign press.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Idiot on May 10, 2021, 02:57:59 pm
It's scary that those systems are tied to the internet.  You'd think they'd have their own "secure" system in some way.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Fishrrman on May 10, 2021, 09:36:50 pm
potato wrote:
"It's scary that those systems are tied to the internet.  You'd think they'd have their own "secure" system in some way."

At the very least, there should be some way to revert to "localized, offline manual control".

Even if this means keeping one control computer at each important location that IS NEVER connected to the net -- but rather, "just sits there" with essential control software that can be plugged in and used in a disruption such as this.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 10, 2021, 09:40:06 pm
potato wrote:
"It's scary that those systems are tied to the internet.  You'd think they'd have their own "secure" system in some way."

At the very least, there should be some way to revert to "localized, offline manual control".

Even if this means keeping one control computer at each important location that IS NEVER connected to the net -- but rather, "just sits there" with essential control software that can be plugged in and used in a disruption such as this.

Just imagine what it would be like if Railroad switching stations were under internet control.  :terror:
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 11, 2021, 11:53:53 am
potato wrote:
"It's scary that those systems are tied to the internet.  You'd think they'd have their own "secure" system in some way."

At the very least, there should be some way to revert to "localized, offline manual control".

Even if this means keeping one control computer at each important location that IS NEVER connected to the net -- but rather, "just sits there" with essential control software that can be plugged in and used in a disruption such as this.

The problem is the ransomware first infected local systems and encripted the data used for operations.  Once the ransom notice made them aware, it was already too late to isolate.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mountaineer on May 11, 2021, 02:38:48 pm
I just posted an article stating that gas is going to be one of the 5 things that will become difficult to get.

I question whether or not then, that this was by design.  Nope, I don't trust our government. Interesting that the article came out around the same time as this one.
This is the plan. Create shortages. Create panic.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 11, 2021, 02:40:57 pm
This is the plan. Create shortages. Create panic.

And then propose solutions that don't address the shortages.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mountaineer on May 11, 2021, 02:48:44 pm
And then propose solutions that don't address the shortages.
Destroy the economy and people's lives. Take away freedom.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Idiot on May 11, 2021, 06:36:19 pm
Destroy the economy and people's lives. Take away freedom.
Great to see you on here!  I pray you are healing well.
@mountaineer
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mountaineer on May 11, 2021, 07:13:05 pm
Thanks @mrpotatohead
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 11, 2021, 07:37:27 pm
The problem is the ransomware first infected local systems and encripted the data used for operations.  Once the ransom notice made them aware, it was already too late to isolate.
There's another level to this. If there is no place for product to go, it will back up at refineries...At some point, they will have to slow down or stop producing gasoline. That puts a ripple in the pond that will go right back up the food chain to production at the wellhead.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 11, 2021, 08:04:46 pm
There's another level to this. If there is no place for product to go, it will back up at refineries...At some point, they will have to slow down or stop producing gasoline. That puts a ripple in the pond that will go right back up the food chain to production at the wellhead.

That started yesterday.

Largest U.S. refinery shuts crude units due to Colonial outage
https://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.com/news/2021/05/largest-us-refinery-shuts-crude-units-due-to-colonial-outage

Motiva Enterprises LLC's 607,000 barrel-per-day (bpd) Port Arthur, Texas, refinery shut the 195,000-bpd VPS-4 CDU and the 80,000-bpd VPS-2 CDU along with the 49,000-bpd reformer and 19,200-bpd lube oil hydrocracker, the people said.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 11, 2021, 08:05:55 pm
That started yesterday.

Largest U.S. refinery shuts crude units due to Colonial outage
https://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.com/news/2021/05/largest-us-refinery-shuts-crude-units-due-to-colonial-outage

Motiva Enterprises LLC's 607,000 barrel-per-day (bpd) Port Arthur, Texas, refinery shut the 195,000-bpd VPS-4 CDU and the 80,000-bpd VPS-2 CDU along with the 49,000-bpd reformer and 19,200-bpd lube oil hydrocracker, the people said.
Crap. Just as I get back into the upstream end, this.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 11, 2021, 08:08:43 pm
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article251316998.html

Quote
...North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper declared a state of emergency Monday that suspended “motor vehicle fuel regulations to ensure adequate fuel supplies throughout the state.” On Tuesday, he urged consumers to report price gouging and to resist rushing “to top off your tanks.”...

That was the best way to guarantee panic buying of rushing to top off your tanks.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mountaineer on May 11, 2021, 10:24:30 pm
I don't believe the Colonial pipeline affects my state. Nevertheless, the panic buying is happening and I'm reading of shortages. Nothing this fascist administration wants more than fear and hysteria.  9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: DCPatriot on May 11, 2021, 11:03:12 pm
A funny "senior moment"...

Reading about the horrors of finding your gas station "OUT OF GAS", I jumped into my Passat (16 gallon tank) to top off my half tank.

There were of course, no lines.

Never fill up until I'm almost out...get about 540 miles per tank... always ends up costing me about $45. at current prices.

I completely forgot that I'm already half full and got really pissed off that I couldn't get more than $25...even placing the pump handle on the ground and rocked the rear end of my car up and down to lose any air bubbles.  ROFL!   9999hair out0000
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 12, 2021, 12:33:28 am
A funny "senior moment"...

Reading about the horrors of finding your gas station "OUT OF GAS", I jumped into my Passat (16 gallon tank) to top off my half tank.

There were of course, no lines.

Never fill up until I'm almost out...get about 540 miles per tank... always ends up costing me about $45. at current prices.

I completely forgot that I'm already half full and got really pissed off that I couldn't get more than $25...even placing the pump handle on the ground and rocked the rear end of my car up and down to lose any air bubbles.  ROFL!   9999hair out0000
:silly:

I don't feel any better just because I have a 34 gallon tank in my little buggy....
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 12, 2021, 12:34:23 am
A funny "senior moment"...

Reading about the horrors of finding your gas station "OUT OF GAS", I jumped into my Passat (16 gallon tank) to top off my half tank.

There were of course, no lines.

Never fill up until I'm almost out...get about 540 miles per tank... always ends up costing me about $45. at current prices.

I completely forgot that I'm already half full and got really pissed off that I couldn't get more than $25...even placing the pump handle on the ground and rocked the rear end of my car up and down to lose any air bubbles.  ROFL!   9999hair out0000

Dang, you're a skinflint!
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: cato potatoe on May 12, 2021, 12:44:54 am
That was the best way to guarantee panic buying of rushing to top off your tanks.

I was out earlier today, and the effect was immediate.  Our governor is an imbecile.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Hoodat on May 12, 2021, 12:48:41 am
A funny "senior moment"...

Reading about the horrors of finding your gas station "OUT OF GAS", I jumped into my Passat (16 gallon tank) to top off my half tank.

There were of course, no lines.

Never fill up until I'm almost out...get about 540 miles per tank... always ends up costing me about $45.

Having just bought a VW, I get mad when I'm not getting 40 mpg or better.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mountaineer on May 12, 2021, 01:17:27 am
I get over 30 mpg with my 2014 Subaru Forester. Great car, and fuel efficiency is what I like best.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 12, 2021, 11:27:11 am
...Never fill up until I'm almost out...

Something you may want to consider.  I find this advice repeated from a lot of sources.

https://www.erieinsurance.com/blog/low-fuel-running-on-empty

Damaged fuel pump: It’s the job of your car’s fuel pump to send gasoline to the engine. The pump is submerged in the gas tank where, by design, it uses fuel to cool and lubricate it. Most fuel pumps can last for the life of your vehicle. But when you run your car on empty, it’s possible for the pump to overheat, which can lead to a costly failure. Because the gas tank often needs to be drained and removed to replace the pump, this labor-intensive job could cost upwards of $1,000 to repair.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Elderberry on May 12, 2021, 12:35:40 pm
Is It Better to Keep Your Gas Tank Full or Empty?

https://www.savingadvice.com/articles/2015/06/26/1034872_gas-tank-full-or-empty.html (https://www.savingadvice.com/articles/2015/06/26/1034872_gas-tank-full-or-empty.html)

Quote
Keeping a full tank of gas is most beneficial to your car over the long run. Your gas tank is an empty space, and whatever space is not filled by gas is filled with air. Air contains water vapor, which can condense on the sides of your fuel tank. This condensation can cause two problems. First, it can cause rust to develop on the sides of fuel tanks which are made of metal, which can cause problems in the future. The water vapors can also mix with the gas in the fuel tank, causing it to work less efficiently. This can be a problem for both plastic and metal fuel tanks.
Why Is a Full Tank of Gas Best?

According to Consumer Reports, gasoline acts like a coolant for your vehicle’s fuel pump motor. If your gas tank is very low, the fuel pump can suck in air. The fuel pump can then become overheated, which may lead to premature wear on the fuel pump, and eventual failure. If your fuel tank has dirt in it, it can become clogged as well. Consumer Reports goes on to advise never running your car below a 1/4 tank full.

It seems it is especially dangerous to run on a low fuel tank during the winter months. Cold temperatures can cause water to form on the gas tank’s empty walls. This water will go all the way to the bottom of the tank (since water is heavier than gas) and make its way into the fuel lines, where it can freeze. This will wreak havoc on your travel plans, not to mention it may cause further costly damage to your car.

More at link.

Water in your fuel is not good even when it doesn't freeze.

I have replaced 2 (inside the tank) fuel pumps over the years. Its no fun.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 12, 2021, 01:15:29 pm
I have replaced 2 (inside the tank) fuel pumps over the years. Its no fun.

Goofy dang thing, putting the pump in the tank... I have replaced a few too, and usually cut a neat hole in the bed to remove the pump directly. Way faster. And if it is done right, the cut-out is converted to a hatch, which means the next time will be quicker yet.

Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 12, 2021, 04:54:58 pm
US passes emergency waiver over fuel pipeline cyber-attack
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57050690

The Colonial Pipeline carries 2.5 million barrels a day - 45% of the East Coast's supply of diesel, gasoline and jet fuel.

It was completely knocked offline by a cyber-criminal gang on Friday and work to restore service is continuing.

The emergency status relaxes rules on fuel being transported by road.

It means drivers in 18 states can work extra or more flexible hours when transporting refined petroleum products....


Hmmmm....so the trucks delivering the food to the Rodent Infested cities might have problems fueling up...

...there's an opportunity for enterprising pro-America truckers.....just don't feed the animals....
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 12, 2021, 07:05:21 pm
Gas shortages intensify in Southeast, with 28 percent of North Carolina stations now dry
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/05/12/gas-shortage-colonial-pipeline-live-updates/

...More than 17 percent of the stations in Georgia and Virginia were dry Wednesday, according to GasBuddy, and states as far as West Virginia and Kentucky also are running out. Major metropolitan areas have been hit hardest by the shortages, with more than 70 percent of the stations out of gasoline in Charlotte, Raleigh and Greenville, as well as roughly 60 percent of those in Norfolk and Atlanta, according to Patrick De Haan, GasBuddy’s head oil analyst.

As of Wednesday, governors in Florida, North Carolina, Georgia and Virginia had declared states of emergency and taken steps to relax fuel transport rules to ease some of the pain at the pump. But the run on gas stations also is colliding with a shortage of truck drivers, compounding the logistical challenges as states try to fill in for the Colonial Pipeline, which supplies 45 percent of the East Coast’s fuel....
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 12, 2021, 07:06:50 pm
https://twitter.com/GasBuddyGuy/status/1392543691752017924
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: sneakypete on May 12, 2021, 07:24:54 pm
This is really going to hurt the working class in rural areas that have to drive 30 to 75 miles a day,one way,to get to work,and another 30 to 75 miles to get back home.

Ifn ah didin no no betta,Ah might spect hit bees one mo tool in da tool box ob the commies,what what ta make everybodie move into Stalin partmints in da cities.

BTW,I was having a little fun above but I am as serious as a heart attack about it. They will use ANY tool they can fit in their "toolbox" to control the population.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 12, 2021, 07:50:00 pm
https://twitter.com/GasBuddyGuy/status/1392543691752017924

Great Scott!!
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 13, 2021, 06:52:47 am
Something you may want to consider.  I find this advice repeated from a lot of sources.

https://www.erieinsurance.com/blog/low-fuel-running-on-empty

Damaged fuel pump: It’s the job of your car’s fuel pump to send gasoline to the engine. The pump is submerged in the gas tank where, by design, it uses fuel to cool and lubricate it. Most fuel pumps can last for the life of your vehicle. But when you run your car on empty, it’s possible for the pump to overheat, which can lead to a costly failure. Because the gas tank often needs to be drained and removed to replace the pump, this labor-intensive job could cost upwards of $1,000 to repair.
I always run on the top half of the tank. It's a North Dakota habit intended to help you survive in winter (should you become stranded by road conditions, you have a half tank to keep warm, minimum. GM in-tank fuel pumps from the late 90s through 2000 last about 120,000 miles. I have had two quit on the road. No fun, and replacing them is a chore... (get the vehicle somewhere you can empty the tank, remove the tank, and replace the fuel pump, put it all back together. I liked the old mechanical pumps on the small block chevy, far easier to replace, and a lot cheaper.

Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 13, 2021, 07:01:56 am
I always run on the top half of the tank. It's a North Dakota habit intended to help you survive in winter (should you become stranded by road conditions, you have a half tank to keep warm, minimum. GM in-tank fuel pumps from the late 90s through 2000 last about 120,000 miles. I have had two quit on the road. No fun, and replacing them is a chore... (get the vehicle somewhere you can empty the tank, remove the tank, and replace the fuel pump, put it all back together. I liked the old mechanical pumps on the small block chevy, far easier to replace, and a lot cheaper.

You can do alright with a frame mounted electric - but you still have to get the old one out first. The turbine style will not let the gas pass (I nearly said you can't pass gas, but that would be different).

I have just cut a hole in the bed to access the pump... If you do it right, a couple tabs and a piano hinge and you've got a hatch... But better to buy an after market pickup tube and gas sender, and go to an electric on the frame.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 13, 2021, 07:11:25 am
You can do alright with a frame mounted electric - but you still have to get the old one out first. The turbine style will not let the gas pass (I nearly said you can't pass gas, but that would be different).

I have just cut a hole in the bed to access the pump... If you do it right, a couple tabs and a piano hinge and you've got a hatch... But better to buy an after market pickup tube and gas sender, and go to an electric on the frame.
Next time (and there will likely be a next time, I have four from that model block) I will look into that. Problem is the gas gauge sending unit is part of the original assembly...so at least that much will have to stay wired. These aren't pickups (my daily driver pickup is an old slant six Dodge), so cutting the trapdoor isn't really the best solution.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Gefn on May 13, 2021, 09:33:24 am
I went out yesterday for a bunch of errands. Lot of gas to be found, but prices are edging near $3.00 a gallon. I know it will be that high or higher by Memorial Day
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 13, 2021, 09:34:34 am
Next time (and there will likely be a next time, I have four from that model block) I will look into that. Problem is the gas gauge sending unit is part of the original assembly...so at least that much will have to stay wired. These aren't pickups (my daily driver pickup is an old slant six Dodge), so cutting the trapdoor isn't really the best solution.

I don't know what you got, but that's what I meant by the aftermarket pickup tube and sending unit.  You just take the old gear out, replace it with the pickup tube / sending unit combo, and the you are free to relocate the pump to a frame rail. Been a while, but that pickup tube / sender was under fifty, probably thirty... and that is cheap to never have to do it again.  YMMV
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 13, 2021, 12:25:30 pm
https://twitter.com/GasBuddyGuy/status/1392683236992724993

(https://charts.gasbuddy.com/ch.gaschart?Country=USA&Crude=f&Period=1&Areas=NorthCarolina%2CSouthCarolina%2CGeorgia&Unit=US%20%24%2FG)

Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: sneakypete on May 13, 2021, 01:44:31 pm
Next time (and there will likely be a next time, I have four from that model block) I will look into that. Problem is the gas gauge sending unit is part of the original assembly...so at least that much will have to stay wired. These aren't pickups (my daily driver pickup is an old slant six Dodge), so cutting the trapdoor isn't really the best solution.

@Smokin Joe

So what? Just buy a new aftermarket gas tank with the sending unit for an earlier car or truck that didn't come with the in-tank fuel pump,and the problem is solved.

Contact "Tanks,Inc" or someone similar and give them the dimensions of your tank and tell them you want one with the same,or VERY similar dimensions. Install it and if you have to,install an aftermarket gas gauge in a bracket under your dash.

Problem solved,and chances are you will never again have to swap out the fuel pump or take the gas tank off again.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Bigun on May 13, 2021, 02:01:57 pm
Something you may want to consider.  I find this advice repeated from a lot of sources.

https://www.erieinsurance.com/blog/low-fuel-running-on-empty

Damaged fuel pump: It’s the job of your car’s fuel pump to send gasoline to the engine. The pump is submerged in the gas tank where, by design, it uses fuel to cool and lubricate it. Most fuel pumps can last for the life of your vehicle. But when you run your car on empty, it’s possible for the pump to overheat, which can lead to a costly failure. Because the gas tank often needs to be drained and removed to replace the pump, this labor-intensive job could cost upwards of $1,000 to repair.

 :yowsa: Excellent advice there.  The rule around here is when you see that fuel gauge below half start looking for a place to fill up and never allow it to get below on quarter full.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 13, 2021, 02:02:05 pm
I don't know what you got, but that's what I meant by the aftermarket pickup tube and sending unit.  You just take the old gear out, replace it with the pickup tube / sending unit combo, and the you are free to relocate the pump to a frame rail. Been a while, but that pickup tube / sender was under fifty, probably thirty... and that is cheap to never have to do it again.  YMMV
Now that would be a nice retrofit, because I'm no fan of the in-tank pump. I'll have to check into that for the next time. One and done appeals to me, and nothing sucks like sitting on the side of the road in -20 weather with a full tank and no engine.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Smokin Joe on May 13, 2021, 02:05:36 pm
:yowsa: Excellent advice there.  The rule around here is when you see that fuel gauge below half start looking for a place to fill up and never allow it to get below on quarter full.
We run on the top half here, mainly out of habit from winter (never far away). If you end up stuck in a snowbank, that extra fuel can make the difference between life and death. (You might have to pop the hood and dig the snow out from around the front of the engine before it all freezes into a block of ice, though).
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Bigun on May 13, 2021, 02:20:25 pm
We run on the top half here, mainly out of habit from winter (never far away). If you end up stuck in a snowbank, that extra fuel can make the difference between life and death. (You might have to pop the hood and dig the snow out from around the front of the engine before it all freezes into a block of ice, though).

We have not generally had that kind of problem down here in these latitudes but after last February it may be coming!
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: sneakypete on May 13, 2021, 02:37:54 pm
:yowsa: Excellent advice there.  The rule around here is when you see that fuel gauge below half start looking for a place to fill up and never allow it to get below on quarter full.

@Bigun

Same  here,and everywhere else that is rural. Not so much for city people,who have 24 hour gas stations on pretty much every corner.

At one time not so long ago,it was a 50 mile drive to the nearest ER,and the closest thing to an ambulance was a sheriff's deputy in a station wagon that might be a 20 minute drive away.

You didn't DARE come home with anything other than a full tank of gas,period. Even if you had 3/4 of a tank,you stopped and filled up before coming home. There were no gas stations within 50 miles that were open after dark where I lived,and there was no such thing as a self-service after hours gas pump. Even if there were,who has the time to stop and feed dollar bills into a machine to fill the gas tank while someone is laying in the backseat of your car,possibly dying?
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 13, 2021, 02:47:51 pm
Link to article:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/colonial-pipeline-paid-hackers-nearly-5-million-in-ransom

https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1392847175693049865
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Bigun on May 13, 2021, 02:49:33 pm
Link to article:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/colonial-pipeline-paid-hackers-nearly-5-million-in-ransom

https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1392847175693049865

 **nononono*
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Lando Lincoln on May 13, 2021, 02:51:46 pm
Link to article:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/colonial-pipeline-paid-hackers-nearly-5-million-in-ransom

https://twitter.com/WilliamTurton/status/1392847175693049865

There is more to this story than we will ever know.  @DCPatriot called it.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 13, 2021, 03:25:23 pm
We run on the top half here, mainly out of habit from winter (never far away). If you end up stuck in a snowbank, that extra fuel can make the difference between life and death. (You might have to pop the hood and dig the snow out from around the front of the engine before it all freezes into a block of ice, though).

I will second that. And full fuel tanks don't condense either. Not to mention that like Texas, up in here, everything is too far away and nothing in between.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 13, 2021, 04:03:27 pm
They asked for only five megabucks?

Wasn't real ransomware criminals.

We'll know it's a real attack if they identify the criminals.   And with the CIA FBI NSA on the deal, the only way they won't report on who the criminals are is if the criminals have (D) after their name or they work for the CIA FBI NSA DNC.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 13, 2021, 04:14:26 pm
I will second that. And full fuel tanks don't condense either. Not to mention that like Texas, up in here, everything is too far away and nothing in between.

As long as the tank does not breath, it won't condense.  But if you have a tank, especially is exposed to the sun, and is not containing the top pressure, it is likely going to breath some with day to night temperature changes.  And down here, it often near breaths near 100% humidity.

If a full tank goes from full to empty, it sucked air into the tank.  It is not just gasoline vapor fumes.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 13, 2021, 04:22:32 pm
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1392852222061461505
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 13, 2021, 04:45:40 pm
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1392651583578546177
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on May 13, 2021, 04:46:33 pm
https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1392585141550153729
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: DCPatriot on May 13, 2021, 06:43:07 pm
There is more to this story than we will ever know.  @DCPatriot called it.

@Lando Lincoln


LOL!  Well, 'SOMEBODY' paid it.  Not Colonial, perhaps.

Still say that the Biden (Obama) administration paid it out of the infrastructure funds.  After all, it's 'Petty Cash' when you're talking about $1.3Trillion.

They see the People are blaming the Biden White House and they couldn't have that, when their other hand is whipping up the citizenry with this White Devil Domestic Terrorist nonsense.

No way would Colonial pay it because they know they've got a State-of-the Art, 'Fail-Safe' system and ordinarily should be able to get back online in less than 12 hours, as @roamer_1 , et al, explained.

Realizing this all reads like crazy...but does that mean it couldn't happen?  Today?


Exactly!   :laugh:

Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: rustynail on May 13, 2021, 07:00:56 pm
Proving once again that the Democratic Party is for the little guy President Joe Biden gets the gas flowing.

Just in time for the American People to enjoy the coming beginning of summer holiday. 
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 13, 2021, 07:20:23 pm
@Lando Lincoln


LOL!  Well, 'SOMEBODY' paid it.  Not Colonial, perhaps.

Still say that the Biden (Obama) administration paid it out of the infrastructure funds.  After all, it's 'Petty Cash' when you're talking about $1.3Trillion.

They see the People are blaming the Biden White House and they couldn't have that, when their other hand is whipping up the citizenry with this White Devil Domestic Terrorist nonsense.

No way would Colonial pay it because they know they've got a State-of-the Art, 'Fail-Safe' system and ordinarily should be able to get back online in less than 12 hours, as @roamer_1 , et al, explained.

Realizing this all reads like crazy...but does that mean it couldn't happen?  Today?


Exactly!   :laugh:

Not surprising to realize that probably one a national government would have the sophistication to hack the Colonial software, or a major Big Fascist Tech firm.

So pick from (China, Russia, Israel, Iran, China, Japan, the United States, or China) on the one hand, or (Google, Twitter, Fakebook, or Microsoft) on the other. 

Either set is capable, either set could be willing, either set could actually want to do it.

Our domestic tech giants are no less a direct enemy to America than the foreign governments they wish to supercede.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 13, 2021, 07:21:18 pm
Proving once again that the Democratic Party is for the little guy President Joe Biden gets the gas flowing.

Just in time for the American People to enjoy the coming beginning of summer holiday.

If the Rodents were for the "little guy" (a Bill Clinton reference?) why did they steal the election in 2020?
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Cyber Liberty on May 13, 2021, 07:40:55 pm
If the Rodents were for the "little guy" (a Bill Clinton reference?) why did they steal the election in 2020?

Clinton called his johnson "little guy."
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 13, 2021, 07:54:45 pm
Clinton called his johnson "little guy."

Was that a nice thing to say about Ladybird's war mongering husband?
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mountaineer on May 18, 2021, 11:15:10 pm
Disclose.tv
@disclosetv
JUST IN - Pipeline communication system is down, according to #Colonial shippers.
10:45 AM · May 18, 2021·Twitter Web App

Colonial Pipeline
@Colpipe
Our internal server that runs our nomination system experienced intermittent disruptions this morning due to some of the hardening efforts that are ongoing and part of our restoration process. These issues were not related to the ransomware or any type of reinfection.
12:16 PM · May 18, 2021·

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1394665461904814084
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: libertybele on May 19, 2021, 12:07:04 am
It's that time of year anyways - time to fill up the gas caddy just in case. Last couple of hurricanes gas became unavailable for awhile and the extra gas came in very handy.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mystery-ak on May 19, 2021, 04:25:05 pm
Colonial Pipeline CEO says company paid hackers $4.4 million in ransomware attack
https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/554334-colonial-pipeline-ceo-says-company-paid-hackers-44-million-after
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2021, 04:27:27 pm
Colonial Pipeline CEO says company paid hackers $4.4 million in ransomware attack  .  .  .

.  .  .  which it will pass on to its customers.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: mountaineer on May 19, 2021, 06:24:19 pm
Colonial Pipeline CEO says company paid hackers $4.4 million in ransomware attack
https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/554334-colonial-pipeline-ceo-says-company-paid-hackers-44-million-after
Glenn Beck said this morning it was $90 million.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2021, 06:29:50 pm
Well there's some IT guys that will never work again...  :whistle:
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Hoodat on May 19, 2021, 06:31:21 pm
Well there's some IT guys that will never work again...  :whistle:

I wouldn't bet on that.  The government is always hiring.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 19, 2021, 06:35:11 pm
I wouldn't bet on that.  The government is always hiring.

LOL! yeah.   :beer:
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 19, 2021, 08:09:50 pm
Glenn Beck said this morning it was $90 million.

Why would they shut down the Other Left Coast of the country and demand a measley 4.4 million?  They pay the same price in prison time if caught, no matter what the extortion amount is.

So I never believed the ridiculous numbers being bandied about.   $90 megabucks makes more sense.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: thackney on May 19, 2021, 08:40:51 pm
Why would they shut down the Other Left Coast of the country and demand a measley 4.4 million?  They pay the same price in prison time if caught, no matter what the extortion amount is.

So I never believed the ridiculous numbers being bandied about.   $90 megabucks makes more sense.

The hackers did not shutdown the pipeline, the company did.  The hackers tied up some systems like the accounting system that tracked what was delivered for billing.  The pipeline was quickly shutdown by the company after that.  The hackers said they never believed the company would shut down the pipeline.

Shutting down the pipeline drew WAY more attention than the hackers ever wanted.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: GtHawk on May 19, 2021, 09:50:35 pm
What I don't understand is this, these guys are terrorists, why don't we have a team of hacker whackers? Hunt them down and disappear them.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: libertybele on May 19, 2021, 09:59:36 pm
What I don't understand is this, these guys are terrorists, why don't we have a team of hacker whackers? Hunt them down and disappear them.

Because terrorists are allowed to do what they want as long as it disrupts our lives and helps to destroy our economy.  They will continue to be allowed to do so.

Random acts of terrorism continue to be allowed by our very liberal marxist govt.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: roamer_1 on May 20, 2021, 12:24:54 am
The hackers did not shutdown the pipeline, the company did.  The hackers tied up some systems like the accounting system that tracked what was delivered for billing.  The pipeline was quickly shutdown by the company after that.  The hackers said they never believed the company would shut down the pipeline.

Shutting down the pipeline drew WAY more attention than the hackers ever wanted.

A wee correction: Darkside is the creator/distributor of the hackware - They were not the doer, their client was.
Title: Re: Cyber attack shuts down largest US gasoline pipeline – 45% of east coast and southern regions
Post by: Sled Dog on May 20, 2021, 06:04:40 am
Because terrorists are allowed to do what they want as long as it disrupts our lives and helps to destroy our economy.  They will continue to be allowed to do so.

Random acts of terrorism continue to be allowed by our very liberal marxist govt.

Yeah, we noticed the number of terrorist attacks on the US vanished to near zero when we had a president.

As soon as we had a Democrat, Instant Terrorism, Everywhere.

Not a coincidence.